The redfish? saw some boils around the oysters, and tossed just outside.... he was in attack mode (and fought like it). but yeah, with the slayers, I usually use a slow steady retrieve with a periodic "jerk and fall" This was in about 18" of water tops..... pretty fun. Attacked it like a snook and went on 3 runs (10# line)..... with the flounder, Ive been doing best with a small jighead and a rootbeer / chartreuse tail doa grub. SLOW jig and retrieve.... with some occasional fast twitches to try and wake em up.