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Topic Title: Remember when you guys were all laughing at Trump for encouraging Covid patients to take hydroxychloroquine and zinc
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 06/11/2021 09:41 AM
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wtf

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I've always said sunlight kills everything. That's why I thought keeping indoors was stupid.

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 06/11/2021 10:07 AM
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UV sterilization isn't exactly a new concept, but it is not a human treatment, any more than ingesting disinfectant.



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 06/11/2021 10:14 AM
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Originally posted by: RustyTruck

UV sterilization isn't exactly a new concept, but it is not a human treatment, any more than ingesting disinfectant.

And why would any of that matter since it's no worse than the flu? Why even bother?


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 06/11/2021 10:33 AM
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Is that how you beat the virus? Bright lights? Impotent rage. You can fact check yourself but when others do it for you like folly did, at least say thanks.

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 06/11/2021 10:35 AM
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Originally posted by: johnnyboy

Is that how you beat the virus? Bright lights? Impotent rage. You can fact check yourself but when others do it for you like folly did, at least say thanks.


Based on your track record, you can go ahead and lower your voice when you have something to say.
 06/11/2021 10:41 AM
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CurtisEflush

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Who would ever shove a catheter full of UV lights into an intubated patient's lungs?
Maybe some quacks in California?
 06/11/2021 10:55 AM
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Originally posted by: CurtisEflush

Who would ever shove a catheter full of UV lights into an intubated patient's lungs?

Maybe some quacks in California?

Great to see someone working on something. This type of tech was and is nowhere near ready for operational use, that is why the UV suggestion for a problem that needed immediate solutions was laughable.

Simply put the trump admin never got ahead of this, and they paid for it. Now 600k dead Americans.

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 06/11/2021 11:04 AM
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Originally posted by: CurtisEflush

The tech was known on April 28 of 2020, when it was announced Cedars Sinai had applied for permits to investigate it as an emergency-use treatment for COVID-19: Announcement

Preliminary paper on the study is published here.
Those researchers were obviously on it before then. From the report:
We previously have shown that UVA reduces several known pathogens linked to ventilator associated pneumonia (VAP) including Pseudomonas aeruginosa, Klebsiella pneumoniae, Escherichia coli, Enterococcus faecalis, Streptococcus pyogenes, Staphylococcus epidermidis and Candida albicans.[14]

Reference [ 14 ] was published in 2012.


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 06/11/2021 11:21 AM
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Interesting pilot study, but still not an accepted treatment. Decreasing viral load in the lungs doesn't do anything for multisystem inflammation and associated complications.



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 06/11/2021 11:41 AM
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wtf

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Originally posted by: CurtisEflush

Originally posted by: CurtisEflush



The tech was known on April 28 of 2020, when it was announced Cedars Sinai had applied for permits to investigate it as an emergency-use treatment for COVID-19: Announcement



Preliminary paper on the study is published here.

Those researchers were obviously on it before then. From the report:

We previously have shown that UVA reduces several known pathogens linked to ventilator associated pneumonia (VAP) including Pseudomonas aeruginosa, Klebsiella pneumoniae, Escherichia coli, Enterococcus faecalis, Streptococcus pyogenes, Staphylococcus epidermidis and Candida albicans.[14]


Reference [ 14 ] was published in 2012.

Yes - it is well known that the UV light treatment is being explored. As a solution for a novel virus, that was laughable.

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 06/11/2021 12:06 PM
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I can't confuse anti science speculation with hope even in hindsight. Just because you can, its not a lie.

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 06/11/2021 12:07 PM
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Let's see if we got this right: had the world simply listened to the fat orange messiah, none of this would have happened.....
Yet another failed attempt at deflecting attention and blame from where it belongs: chumpf knew how dangerous this thing was....and did nothing.
Then when it became apparent that it wasn't going to pray away, disappear, simply go away....(it's over!): the fat yammering ham spamwich you dolts called lord and massa began flailing around dredging up all these idiotic schemes.
Anybody remember the nigerian witch doctor bitch he foisted on the public?
It was demon sperm that caused it!
Laughably, hopelessly stupid, willfully and slavishly ignorant.
Thats's chumpfscum for ya folks....
"The companies involved peddle everything from chiropractic adjustments, exercise sessions, nasal mists and rinses, vitamins, supplements, and extracts. There's a slew of therapies with impressive names like peptide, oxidative, stem cell, ozone, intravenous vitamin, and infrared sauna therapy. All of these products and treatments have one thing in common: there is no evidence - as required by law - that they work against the Coronavirus.
When it comes to fighting COVID-19 and spotting unsupported treatment claims, follow these tips:
When there's a medical breakthrough to treat, prevent, or cure a disease, you're not going to hear about it for the first time through an ad or sales pitch.
Always talk with your doctor or healthcare professional before you try any product claiming to treat, prevent, or cure COVID-19.

Visit CDC.gov and the FDA.gov for the most up-to-date information about COVID-19 and available vaccines."

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 06/11/2021 12:16 PM
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Anyone ever wonder how many bullshit and outright deadly dangerous scams The traitorous baby blimp lit off with all his cover his ass excuses?
Well, here's a list. just drink aquarium cleaner...miracle!
And the groveling goobers on here with their fake tans, yak hairpieces, and orange smiles still peddle this nonsense.
But then: these are the same dopes who bought chump horse steaks, attended chumpf u, and invested in chumpf airlines.....duuhhhhhhh

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 06/11/2021 12:22 PM
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The Repugs idolize tRump because he recommended sticking large round objects up their arses.
 06/11/2021 01:11 PM
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nukeh2o

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Here is a partial list of all the scams foisted upon americans and the people of the world. All in the name of deflecting blame for criminal negligence on a national, even global
scale from the worst lying sack of pigshit flim flam politician in U.S. history.
Another shameless con from the mighty grifter in thief.....and you goober rubes fell for it.
Again.
what would you expect from chumpf u. flunkies....


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 06/11/2021 01:57 PM
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CurtisEflush

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Originally posted by: RustyTruck

Interesting pilot study, but still not an accepted treatment. Decreasing viral load in the lungs doesn't do anything for multisystem inflammation and associated complications.


From the study:
there was an association between WHO clinical severity score outcomes and viral reductions during UVA treatment. Improvement in WHO severity scores by day 30 exhibited a positive correlation with the reduction of viral load during UVA therapy (Spearman's rho=1, p<0.001) (Fig. 2c). Following UVA therapy, there was a significant drop in C-reactive protein (-95.0 ± 48.0 mg/L, p=0.04) within 7 days of enrollment.


CRP is sent by your liver into the bloodstream as a response to inflammation. So a decrease in CRP and decrease in WHO clinical severity scores suggests the UVA treatment is indeed having a multisystem effect.

Also, reducing viral load in the lungs (suggested by reduction in viral aspirate) should free up the lungs to do a better job of oxygenating blood, thus possibly avoiding or reducing the need for invasive treatments like ventilators and ECMO.
 06/11/2021 02:17 PM
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Originally posted by: wtf
Yes - it is well known that the UV light treatment is being explored. As a solution for a novel virus, that was laughable.


A novel virus requires a novel treatment, and when Trump made those statements, there were basically zero known-effective treatments. Studies can't be designed, approved, executed, followed up on, and reported overnight.

In the context of Trump's statements (quoted by follydude), he ask Dr. Birx if that was something she was looking into. Now, I have no idea if Trump had heard about the work at Cedars-Sinai when he made his statement (which was in the week preceding Cedars-Sinai's application for emergency use), but he probably heard discussion about in some circle before making the statement. The close timing between statement and announcement, plus the fact that Trump is too stupid to envision an internal, light-based treatment on his own, suggests he heard it from someone. His natural inability to speak coherently about it undoubtedly left everyone shaking their head.

To be clear, Trump is an idiot, and I voted for Biden. Trump's handling of the crisis is a wonderful example of how not to do things. But to Sniper's point, most of you are so rabidly blinded by hate that you refuse to evaluate individual statements on their own merit. Similar to the bandwagon of "natural zoonotic transfer" vs the "Lab Leak Conspiracy." Trump's propensity to lie makes him much less credible than The Boy Who Cried Wolf, but you overgeneralize at your own peril.

I certainly hope most of you never sit on a jury.


 06/11/2021 02:34 PM
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nukeh2o

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He knows more than the doctors...
and the generals. And the economists. And the whoever the fuck he dreams up today.
He has like a good...you know what. He's a stable genius...just ask him.
I am not a potted plant. There's no tracking chips or marker chemicals that make you glow like a firefly folks.
Just Shut the fuck up and let the world's best epidemiologists and infectious disease specialists in the world do their damn jobs, folks.
Without needing fucking bodyguards.
Stuuuuu-piiid.....

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 06/11/2021 04:44 PM
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wtf

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Originally posted by: CurtisEflush

Originally posted by: wtf

Yes - it is well known that the UV light treatment is being explored. As a solution for a novel virus, that was laughable.




A novel virus requires a novel treatment, and when Trump made those statements, there were basically zero known-effective treatments. Studies can't be designed, approved, executed, followed up on, and reported overnight.



In the context of Trump's statements (quoted by follydude), he ask Dr. Birx if that was something she was looking into. Now, I have no idea if Trump had heard about the work at Cedars-Sinai when he made his statement (which was in the week preceding Cedars-Sinai's application for emergency use), but he probably heard discussion about in some circle before making the statement. The close timing between statement and announcement, plus the fact that Trump is too stupid to envision an internal, light-based treatment on his own, suggests he heard it from someone. His natural inability to speak coherently about it undoubtedly left everyone shaking their head.



To be clear, Trump is an idiot, and I voted for Biden. Trump's handling of the crisis is a wonderful example of how not to do things. But to Sniper's point, most of you are so rabidly blinded by hate that you refuse to evaluate individual statements on their own merit. Similar to the bandwagon of "natural zoonotic transfer" vs the "Lab Leak Conspiracy." Trump's propensity to lie makes him much less credible than The Boy Who Cried Wolf, but you overgeneralize at your own peril.



I certainly hope most of you never sit on a jury.

Sorry, I did not do that. I was aware of light treatment.

Exactly what you said is my point - if you cannot speak coherently about something, don't. That is what I am saying.


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 06/12/2021 01:43 PM
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I read the original study on Hydroxychloroquine, it came out of Australia I believe. Zink was the key and the Hydroxychloroquine helped it pass through the cell wall, so if you want to really split hairs, zink is your cure.

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