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Big John

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The water has been so nice and clear with the sea grasses doing nicely. Then, this week, it all turned pea green. Is it an algae bloom?

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Maybe the winds churned things up? I hope it is not algae, our poor river doesn't need that.

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probably a bloom we had a ton of rain which = polluted run off, then no rain and lots of sun = algae bloom.

I wish the cities and counties would be held accountable for our failing sewer infrastructure as we pay each month for "water and sewer" were does that money go?

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"...In the lagoons, our waters look horrible. The algae bloom has consumed the entire north and central Indian and Banana River system from Scottsmore to Melbourne. "

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Gotta have those green lawns.

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I wish the problem was as simple as lawn fertilizer. I'm sure that lawn fertilizer contributes to the problem but is not the major cause any longer. Outdated sewer systems and increasing populations beachside and Viera etc. So sad!
 09/28/2020 05:32 AM
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Is there any way to deal with weeds in the grass that isn't detrimental to the river? Taking care of my moms house down here and the hoa is complaining about a mix of weeds and grass..a buddys yard was essentially taken over by dollar weeds and I actually like it better.
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Originally posted by: Big John

I wish the problem was as simple as lawn fertilizer. I'm sure that lawn fertilizer contributes to the problem but is not the major cause any longer. Outdated sewer systems and increasing populations beachside and Viera etc. So sad!


I'll agree to disagree, fertilizer seems to be most of the problem. The river goes bad after little rain events, events that are too small to flood septic systems. More people, more houses, more green lawns, more crap that run into the rivers.

My son wanted to catch some little tarpon, so he caught some Pilchards in a Cocoa Beach canal and took them to a baby tarpon spot in Merritt Island. They died as soon as they hit the water from lack of DO. Not good.



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 09/28/2020 03:10 PM
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Well you may be right. If so, let's ban the crap right now. I'm sure golf courses would be pissed but homeowners shouldn't care that much.
 09/30/2020 08:47 AM
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Cocoa Beach CC is using something that is supposedly much better for the environment than normal fertilizer. Unfortunately, with some many underlying issues, there is no way to know if it's helping or not.

Curing our green grass addiction would do wonders, but that will never happen. The same can be said for the old septic systems.

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Originally posted by: Big John I'm sure that lawn fertilizer contributes to the problem but is not the major cause any longer.
Sadly it still is. The load from lawn fertilizer has not gone down. The wet season ban is largely ignored. It may even backfire as people are apt to feed like crazy just before the ban kicks in and then you get a little rain in May and the lagoon goes to poop. Yes septic and leaky sewer are huge problems. But the fact that the blooms are following rains and the clear is following dry shows that runoff is a big factor along with rain driven mobilization of shallow ground water loaded with poop and causing bad sewers to leak more. Remember the winter bloom that caused the big kill in March 2016? That one was fueled by one of the wettest and warmest winters on record.

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I think a lot of the volume of chemicals comes from the farms through the canals, ditches, and creeks into the ICW in addition to residential runoff.

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Originally posted by: stokedpanda

I think a lot of the volume of chemicals comes from the farms through the canals, ditches, and creeks into the ICW in addition to residential runoff.


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Placing a ban on water soluable fertilizers would make difference, but that is exactly what all the companies that spray use and all the cheap bagged fertilizers are composed of. Too much money to be made maintaining the status quo.
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Mass balance people. Tons of nitrogen and phosphorus from food (think wastewater) and fertilizer trucked into IRL watershed. No equal and opposite mechanism to remove it. Hot on the left, cold on the right, shit flows downhill. The Lagoon is the bottom of the hill. Any wonder that all that extra nitrogen and phosphorus are eutrophying the system? Nothing complicated about it. Same old story all around the country and world for that matter. Same solutions too.

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we are past the tipping point to come back, we care about the water quality...no-one else does, All around me is perfect St. Auggy so bright green and clean. Landscapers cut and blow grass into the canals, yard "techs" spraying all the time, sprinklers running day after day, The average Brevard resident justs want nice grass. 99% just drive over the bridges most don't even notice the color changes or care.

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Originally posted by: tom Mass balance people. Tons of nitrogen and phosphorus from food (think wastewater) and fertilizer trucked into IRL watershed. No equal and opposite mechanism to remove it. Hot on the left, cold on the right, shit flows downhill. The Lagoon is the bottom of the hill. Any wonder that all that extra nitrogen and phosphorus are eutrophying the system? Nothing complicated about it. Same old story all around the country and world for that matter. Same solutions too.
Yeah, we've been lucky that the lagoon was so resilient and took so long to flip to the altered stable state of plankton dominance that wrecked Long Island Sound, the Chesapeake Bay, and damn near every big lake in Florida already. All that kept the lagoon from flipping sooner was that it was a fairly small catchment so it received less total runoff relative to its size than the waters that flipped sooner.

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Of course the lagoon is now suffering from excessive salinity during dry spells because the small watershed has been paved over enough that the fresh water supply has gotten too flashy. The water comes all at once when it rains and the water that comes is full of crap. Then during the dry spell there is no groundwater feed to the lagoon so it gets saltier than the ocean. That is fouling up the balance of what plankton and plants want to grow too. My neighbor is a great example of that problem. Her yard turned a little brown when it got cold at the end of January. So she stupidly increased water more and more. The more she watered her semi-dormant St. Auggie the browner it got. She killed it. Our going salty so she's got fungus and salty dirt. Only bright side to that is that enough wells are going salty around here that people that aren't on reclaimed water have to switch to something other than St. Augustine grass.

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I'm going to give a shout to the environmental community for also delaying the flip from seagrass to phytoplankton for so long. Indian River Lagoon Act prohibited STPs from putting treated wastewater into the Lagoon. Marine Resources Council has long advocated and implemented public involvement. Stormwater Rules largely enforced to prevent new development runoff. Plenty more too, hell, citizens of Brevard voted a 1/2 cent cleanup tax! Unfortunately, too little and mostly too late. Cleanup still possible but will require genuine will of the people (fertilizer) and big $$ (wastewater) to actually accomplish. Sigh.

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That is very true. The lagoon was sliding down hill pretty bad in the 70s and 80s. None of the original big developments had any meaningful stormwater storage capacity. Look at aerials of all the pre-1990 developments and notice that it is just ditches and no storage ponds; especially the shitty developments like Port Malabar and Port St. Lucie. Huge amounts of St. Johns water was diverted to the lagoon and that diverted water was ag waste and suburban runoff from places like most of Palm Bay via Melbourne-Tillman. But the new developments had tighter and tighter rules on how much rain was supposed to hold back; had to install X-acre feet of storage for every so-many square feet of impervious surface. There we a lot of targeted septic to sewer conversions that had a good effect. My neighborhood got sewer in 1980 since we are on a sand dune that leeches easily to the lagoon. The water in the lagoon wasn't looking too bad in the mid-2000s.

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But population pressure is winning out and the old measures aren't keeping up. Need to spend a lot of money on sewer infrastructure and stormwater management and get people to quit pumping the shallow aquifer onto their lawns and fertilizing like fiends.

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My neighbor is a good example of what is happening to the river. She wants a nice St. Augustine Lawn so much. Last winter when we had a tiny cool spell her lawn browned slightly as St. Augustine grass can do when night temps drop into the 30s. She saw brown and thought it needed more water. So she ran her water multiple days per week. Wet semi-dormant grass grows nastiness and she killed her lawn with fungus. She consulted a lawn guy. He told her she over-watered. She put down sod. She killed that with excessive irrigation with well water that is becoming increasingly salty due to over-pumping. Yesterday she had her husband out putting down granular WeedNFeed on what is about 50% bare dirt. Her irrigation runs 4 days per week. If Brevard County ceased all ornamental broadcast fertilizer we would see immediate water quality improvement in the lagoon before we ever got to the super expensive fixing of sewer infrastructure.

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And she is one lonely lawn. The "Black's", "Slug-a-bug", "middleton's", "Trugreen" signs are all over the neighborhood from people getting their monthly broadcast of the Fertilizer/Herbicide/Insecticide/Fungicide cocktail.

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Bloom has collapsed from Bee Line south to at least Magruder Ave. Water is very brown but relatively clear in Rockledge with transparency being closer to 1 meter rather than the 0.01 meter it has been since August. The bloom collapse took the dissolved oxygen with it. Yesterday there were a few dead sand perch and mojarras with hog chokers and tongue fish laying on the surface looking like floating leaf litter and hanging on by a thread. More things are belly up today. Mostly smaller and demersal things that can't get out of the way but starting to see dead sheeps, spades, reds, and at least one decent sized snook down by Indian River Club this morning. If you look on the bottom in shallow water there are dead blennies, gobies, and such laying on the bottom. Of course lot of dead catfish. Paddle from Rockledge up to the Bee Line and then down to Magruder and back to home street this morning. There were scattered dead fish throughout but definitely most death was between SR520 and Magruder. Not sure what things are like down toward Pineda; haven't been there in awhile.

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water is green down by mathers/eau gallie causeway.
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Real time sensor shows super saturated oxygen down there so the bloom is still going there. Stinky floaters today up in Cocoa. Runners in the marathon should be thankful the wind was west. Just looked. DEP station at 192 shows oxygen at about 140% saturation during the diurnal peak. The station at SR528 showed oxygen at 1.2 mg/l (<30% saturated) on Friday morning and then that station stopped reporting.

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I cant believe there is not more discussion at city meetings, growing up we used to swim in the canals, wake surf, go to bird island and hang. When will the "average" person take notice?

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I remember when the water was so clear , you could use a frog gig for trout.

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water in cocoa beach was green and nasty looked horrible.

Found a link to some helpful info on how to get involved to help in Brevard County:

citizen oversight committee site

WORK COMPLETED THIS MONTH:
. Cocoa Beach Water Reclamation Facility Upgrade complete
. Osprey Wastewater Treatment Facility Upgrades bid advertised
. Plumbers - Selection Committee pre-qualified 2 contractors for direct pay from the County
. South Central F sewer force main installed with one homeowner connection application pending
. Indialantic Basin 5 Dry Retention project complete
. Stormwater Basins 1304 and 51 are finished with construction; 51 is still awaiting final walk through
. Draa Field Vegetation Harvesting project bid advertised
. Draa Field Pond Managed Aquatic Plant Systems contracted
. Osprey Pond Managed Aquatic Plant Systems contracted
. Grand Canal Muck Dredging - Dredging is active; Army Corps shortened manatee closure period
. Cocoa Beach Golf Muck Project - City contracted design consultant and is holding a kick-off meeting
. Eau Gallie Northeast Muck Project - Survey to cross Intercoastal Waterway completed for Army Corps
. Brevard Zoo built 3,120 square feet of oyster bar along in the North IRL
. University of Central Florida monitoring - live oyster densities increased 2.3 to 9.1 times at the 3 sites
monitored. At 3 planted shorelines, survival of red mangroves was 58%, 86% and 92%. Survival of S.
bakeri at 3 sites was 39%, 41% and 57%. At the more protected site, new cordgrass shoots were noted.
. Grass Clippings Outreach contract was executed for fiscal year 20/21
. Video Production - Kimberly Newton's My Lagoon Story completed
. Derelict Vessels - 2 additional derelict vessels were removed
WORK UNDERWAY THIS MONTH:
. Revenue forecasts were revised twice following arrival of July and August collections
. 24 new project funding applications were reviewed for consistency with program parameters
. Beaches Leaking Sewer Laterals - 28 repairs complete; 9 reimbursements processed to date
. Developing an online grant application portal for septic upgrades, sewer connections and repairs
. Cone Road Septic-to-Sewer Phase 2 - 46 properties connected
. Sykes Creek N Septic-to-Sewer - Task Order executed to design vacuum sewer
. Sykes Creek M & T Septic-to-Sewer - Starting property appraisals for lift station lots
. South Central C Septic-to-Sewer - Public Work reviewing revised plans for right-of-way permits
. Grant Farm Island Distributed Wastewater Treatment Project - Outreach to property owners
. Septic Upgrades - 160 applications approved; 54 in progress; 7 reimbursements completed
. Septic Load Estimation for all parcels county-wide is underway to support pro-rated grant options
. Stormwater Basins 22, 100, and 1298 - Are under construction
. More detailed survey for Kingsmill-Aurora Phase II has begun
. Huntington Pond design changes are underway
. Johns Rd & Flounder Creek engineering cost estimates have been sent to PW for review
. Thrush Drive - Baffle Box permits received
. Sherwood Park Stormwater Project - construction underway
. Cocoa Beach Phase IIb Muck Dredging - Dredging is approximately 65% complete
. Sykes Creek Phase I Muck Dredging - met with contractor about 3rd request for additional information
PRESENTATIONS THIS MONTH:
November 7 - Lagoon Loyal Event at Boater's Exchange - Brandon and Matt
November 14 - Indian River Lagoon Day at Front Street Park - Brandon
UPCOMING LAGOON SCIENCE FORUMS AND PUBLIC EVENTS:
November 14 - Indian River Lagoon Day at Front Street Park 10:00 am - 2:00 pm
December 10 - Marine Resources Council Lunch and Learn Webinar: North Atlantic Whale Update
Ongoing - Marine Resources Council 3rd-6th grade Virtual Learning
November 21 - Merritt Island National Wildlife Refuge Hikes - Email Micah Thomas
February 18 & 19 - Indian River Lagoon Symposium Call for Presenters
UPCOMING VOLUNTEER PARTICIPATION OPPORTUNITIES:
Brevard Zoo - Teacher Drive Thru Adopt-A-Mangrove - November 16
Rotary Park rain garden maintenance - Email Carlos Cuevas for opportunities
Storm drain marking in Cocoa - Email Carlos Cuevas for opportunities
Storm drain marking in Melbourne - Email Nicole Broquet for opportunities
Merritt Island National Wildlife Refuge Trash Cleanups Tuesday & Saturdays - Email Micah Thomas
WEBSITE AND SOCIAL MEDIA LINKS:
Lagoon Loyal Outreach and Engagement Landing Page
Save Our Indian River Lagoon Website
Save Our Indian River Lagoon Facebook
Save Our Indian River Lagoon Instagram
Save Our Indian River Lagoon YouTube
FUTURE TOPICS FOR SPECIAL PRESENTATIONS:
1. Wastewater Utility Asset Management Planning - Todd Swingle
2. Re-use/Reclaimed Water - Nutrient Loading Impacts and Opportunities
3. Surface Water Remediation - Phosphorus Free, S.W.I.G., D.T.G., Chemical Tech, HABITATS
4. New Enhanced Ocean Inflow Research - Florida Tech Research Initiative
5. Completed and Ongoing Muck Research - Florida Tech Research Initiative
6. Indian River Lagoon Research News: TechCon, Shore, and Harbor Branch Symposium Highlights
7. Water Technology Conference/Industry Day - Economic Development and National Estuary Program
8. Coordinating Spoil Management with Florida Inland Navigation District
9. Pollution and Algal Bloom Mapping via Satellite Imagery Interpretation - Gybe
10. Lagoon Fish and Fisheries Research - Dr. Grant Gilmore
11. Lagoon projects managed and funded by other agencies, entities or grant programs
12. Climate change impacts to the Lagoon - Randy Parkinson
13. Low Impact Development - Local examples
14. Project Monitoring Results
15. Package Plants

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i have been fishing the west coast (crystal river area) almost this entire year. sight fishing paradise....healthy grass, lots of oyster beds, rock structure and a minimal tide swing. i get into places others can't since i'm in a kayak. lots of tight canals and tons of places to hide from the wind. able to still fish without getting blown off the water tackling 20+.




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^^NICE^^ Ive always wanted to fish for the shallow water grouper over there this time of year

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I grew up fishing Mason Creek out of Old Homosassa, it was a bonanza of Reds and Trouts. Never saw a snook in the 70's and early 80's, their territory must be stretching north with the warming climate.

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Snook range is definitely expanding north. There will be episodic kills like in 2010 but average conditions are supporting a range expansion; same as with the Mangrove trees, tilapia, etc... We haven't had a real freeze since December 1989. That one was brutal. 1996 was pretty cold too. That was the last time the daily minimum temperature dropped below 27 F at the Titusville station.

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People just can't seem to figure it out. Neighbor is watering her lawn daily now, during this cool weather. She's afraid it is going to dry out. Our wells have high TDS. You know what happens to your soil when you water a lot during long periods with low humidity using water with high TDS? Other neighbor is watering 2X per week as well even though we are in the dry season. He can't understand why the chain link fence is rusting out so fast. They insist that the water is super fresh because our wells are so deep so there is no way the water is crusting the soil and killing the grass or rusting out the fence. Never mind the brown stains from the beautiful iron/CaCO3 crust on their houses or the conductivity and hardness readings that I have gotten when I checked the water. These are the people we are asking to voluntarily restrict fertilizer use to help the lagoon. Isn't going to happen. Jean puts down the granular weed'n'feed monthly even on areas that are bare dirt due to her having killed the grass with fungus and salt by overwatering during the cool season.

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Citizen oversight committee Zoom meeting 12-18-20 @0830 link to zoom meeting info.

I am going to try and be on it, Im sure it will be a snoozer but its free!

Even if you can jump and and leave it running would be nice LOL

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Black's came to pump their 'cocktail' on neighbor lady's dirt this morning. She has irrigated 3 times this week. She complained to them last year about her grass dying. They told her she shouldn't water so much in the winter because it was messing up the soil pH and promoting fungus. But they are happy to come spray and collect the bill.

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The water off of 520 in now a Biblical red. I've never seen anything like it.

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I saw the same thing yesterday between 528 and 520, it looked like a lifeless Georgia clay mud puddle.
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It's bad. Water in Rockledge is still clear brown since the bloom collapse and oxygen crash just after Thanksgiving. Further south the bloom is raging. Water samples have returned cell counts of 3,000,000 cells per milliliter. Oxygen has been hitting >20 mg/l which is on the order of 200% saturated. That alone can stress fish as it really screws with carbon chemistry. pH is likely > 9 during peak photosynthesis in mid day. If that intense bloom collapses it will cause a fish kill worse than we saw on the 27th and 28th up in Rockledge/Cocoa.

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Thanks scom, I figured no good would come of it.

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major fish kills and fish on the surface sucking air in CB canals, brown water

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Right click and select "open image in a tab". Water Management District sensor in the Banana up by the 520.

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Oxygen crashed over here in Rockledge/Cocoa up to the bee line November 27th to the 30th. Now the sensor up by the bee line is again reporting oxygen saturation >150%.

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0.72 inches of rain in December. 0.03 inches of rain so far this month. Water is getting clear in Rockledge, just like last year after several consecutive dry months. But it isn't the run-off that drives the blooms. Must be something else. In other news. Black's sprayed the cocktail on my neighbor's dirt patch yesterday. She irrigates 3-5 times per week in the dead of winter. Salty well water 3-5 times per week is great for dormant grass. I'm sure the Black's cocktail will fix it right up.

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Yep, clear water means you can see the grass is gone.

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I'm having a hard time finding any large mullet for cut bait. The bait freezer is sitting empty.

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The canals in Cocoa Beach are clear and there ain't a damn fish swimming around in them.

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A liquified starved manatee carcass floated up behind our house yesterday. But the spray trucks dumping the magic fertilizer/fungicide/herbicide/insecticide stew are still rolling. My neighbors mostly water 2-3 days per week year-round. One neighbor runs her full system 3 days per week year round and sometimes 5 days per week when the lawn browns during cooler weather. She thinks brown = dry. The genius has killed half her lawn and still fertilizes the salt crusted dirt that remains. Anyway, few people around here follow the Water Management District guidance on irrigation. Our wells are turning salty. Neighbors don't understand why the fences are rusting out so fast and why their lawns won't grow faster when they are watering non-stop. Kind of annoying. I rarely use my well. But it would be nice if there was some fresh water down there to pull up when establishing a new plant. What would really be nice would be if there was an adequate supply of fresh ground water to the lagoon during the dry season and droughts so that it would go back to normal instead of becoming hypersaline. The lagoon is pretty fucked.

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Originally posted by: scombrid A liquified starved manatee carcass floated up behind our house yesterday. But the spray trucks dumping the magic fertilizer/fungicide/herbicide/insecticide stew are still rolling. My neighbors mostly water 2-3 days per week year-round. One neighbor runs her full system 3 days per week year round and sometimes 5 days per week when the lawn browns during cooler weather. She thinks brown = dry. The genius has killed half her lawn and still fertilizes the salt crusted dirt that remains. Anyway, few people around here follow the Water Management District guidance on irrigation. Our wells are turning salty. Neighbors don't understand why the fences are rusting out so fast and why their lawns won't grow faster when they are watering non-stop. Kind of annoying. I rarely use my well. But it would be nice if there was some fresh water down there to pull up when establishing a new plant. What would really be nice would be if there was an adequate supply of fresh ground water to the lagoon during the dry season and droughts so that it would go back to normal instead of becoming hypersaline. The lagoon is pretty fucked.
"The lagoon is pretty fucked" lol it's been screwed for 20 years now. Welcome to beautiful Brevard County where growing population greed and wealth matter most. Once the Dudas sold out, the shit hit the fan.. Cant blame them the $$$ was too good to refuse. Natural resources are and will ALWAYS be put on the back burner. Infrastructures Sewage ignored year in and year out but no problems with Virgin building a train from Orlando, improving the Port for Disney to do whatever the hell they want Cruising. Don't forget destroying every beach break/reef we once had with dirt for tourist money that love wide beaches and Resorts. People move hear in the masses monthly and their grass MUST be bigger and greener than the neighbors. Its a never ending cycle that started in 1999 and will never cease. Politicians love it, the blind and ignorant cant even see it and the locals (humans/marine life) are left to bask in the wake of everyone elses SHIT. Enjoy!
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the dying man-yetis are getting some attention and I cant help but think they are part of the problem, giant lawn mowers also pretty sure they eat the grass and roots. Now people are tyring to get tons of lettuce to feed them, which can cause bacteria and other problems uggh

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Originally posted by: stokedpanda

the dying man-yetis are getting some attention and I cant help but think they are part of the problem, giant lawn mowers also pretty sure they eat the grass and roots. Now people are tyring to get tons of lettuce to feed them, which can cause bacteria and other problems uggh


They definitely do. I used to live off Minutemen Cswy and our back yard sloped into the canal. There were times I'd come out in the morning and there would be three to four of them with a third of their body up in my yard eating the grass. No fertilizers in my yard at least.
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Originally posted by: stokedpanda the dying man-yetis are getting some attention and I cant help but think they are part of the problem, giant lawn mowers also pretty sure they eat the grass and roots. Now people are tyring to get tons of lettuce to feed them, which can cause bacteria and other problems uggh
Manatees only cause measurable damage to sea grass when the carrying capacity of the lagoon is significantly reduced by some other shock. If you have 5% of the grass and 50% of the manatees then they are going to over-eat what is left of the grass. The Manatees are only "part of the problem" because the whole system has basically collapsed.

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Originally posted by: scombrid

Originally posted by: stokedpanda

the dying man-yetis are getting some attention and I cant help but think they are part of the problem, giant lawn mowers also pretty sure they eat the grass and roots. Now people are tyring to get tons of lettuce to feed them, which can cause bacteria and other problems uggh


Manatees only cause measurable damage to sea grass when the carrying capacity of the lagoon is significantly reduced by some other shock. If you have 5% of the grass and 50% of the manatees then they are going to over-eat what is left of the grass. The Manatees are only "part of the problem" because the whole system has basically collapsed.


very true, and if they were to try replanting grass if that is even a thing they would find and munch it quick, maybe they can pen up some areas up shallow.

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Ahhhh Sea Grass !!!! I didn't have my third cup of coffee yet this morning
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Similar thing happens in lakes with turtles. Lake used to have lots of grass. Grass gets nuked by a hurricane and algae blooms from nutrient overload. Try to re-establish grass through planting. Starved turtles eat all the new plants. Re-veg requires a big system reboot. Just planting new plants won't kick it back the other way. There are a lot of good papers out there on "altered stable states" and what it takes to kick them back into a condition you prefer.

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I was was in the North IRL and Mosquito Lagoon today. Went from Scotts more to whale tail. Water Quality looked exceptionally good. Some areas that had been devoid of sea grass are now showing sprigs. ( Also got limit trout with a bonus of a 25incher.....)

Now to clean and cook.

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That is nice to hear. Glad you caught em up JDB.

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I'm on the rivers several days a week as a yak guide.
After a several month algae bloom, everyplace I paddle at the moment is quite clear.
Biggest issue I'm seeing at the moment is doofs leaving monofilament everywhere, it's decimating our pelis.
The manatees are in really bad shape
....maybe spraying tons of fucking roundup all over everywhere on our waters isnt such a great idea.......


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Manatees sort of did themselves in. No predators, eating all the grass, dropping shit loads of poop, having lots of babies. Kind of like the ancient people on Easter Island, Cut down all the trees and made a population that could not sustain.

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Originally posted by: jdbman

Manatees sort of did themselves in. No predators, eating all the grass, dropping shit loads of poop, having lots of babies. Kind of like the ancient people on Easter Island, Cut down all the trees and made a population that could not sustain.


that and if not for the springs and the power plant discharge they wouldnt have made it this far north

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Originally posted by: stokedpanda
Originally posted by: jdbman Manatees sort of did themselves in. No predators, eating all the grass, dropping shit loads of poop, having lots of babies. Kind of like the ancient people on Easter Island, Cut down all the trees and made a population that could not sustain.
that and if not for the springs and the power plant discharge they wouldnt have made it this far north
I met a lady who hates them . "they're too slow / they are not smart / they get in the way of developers making nice neighborhoods near the water" !

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We killed the grass. Manatees had no issues for thousands of years.

Catfish eat sea grass too, but nothing compares to man.

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We wrecked the carrying capacity.

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Banging the dead horse. Raining hard. Half the lawns along Rockledge Drive and up the side streets toward US1 got sprayed yesterday. Here in the middle lagoon the water got really nasty in the late 70s and early 80s. Then our houses right on the slope between US1 and the river got converted to sewer. Water quality improved. New lawns and added burdens on the sewer system have overwhelmed the positive changes of the past. Kind of sad watching the runoff running down the street this morning. People don't even bother to keep the leaf litter and grass out of the runoff.

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if anyone has experience in construction there are some sweet looking gov contracts out there to help rebuild the infrastructure wish I had the know how sounds like a win win

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Te river looked camouflage after the recent spate of rain. Not good, not good at all.

Panda, do you have a link to the construction work?

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