The sinister nature of electric cars
By Jerold Levoritz
December 2, 2021

The Democrats are doing everything they can to get Americans into electric cars. However, those cars come with the risk of a serious loss of power - not just for the car, but for those who buy those cars.

We have to begin with asking, why is the governing pushing electric vehicles? And it's not just cars; it's also trucks. Why are they ignoring hybrid vehicles? If something happens to the electric guts of a properly designed hybrid car, the vehicle can limp along with its smaller gas engine until it reaches safety. What happens to a fully electric vehicle if its electrical system fails? Nothing, of course! You're stuck. All you have is a hunk of metal and plastic. And if you run out of electricity while driving, you can't just get a gallon gas can to fill the tank until you get to the nearest service station. Again, you're stuck.

The next question is, "Are electric cars cheaper than gas cars?" No, they cannot be cheaper, and that's even if you run them on renewables. Take solar energy, for example. Even if sunlight is free, the laws of thermodynamics still control.

Every time energy changes form, there is a loss factor. Sunlight impinging on solar cells changes only 14 - 47% of the energy to electricity. The forty-seven percent figure is state-of-the-art, so it is not available for everyday use.

Electricity is then stored in chemical-based car batteries (with a loss). And then chemical energy is reconverted back to electricity (with a loss) and finally to mechanical energy, where the tire rubber meets the road (with a loss). At a guess, not more than 5% of the original sun power turns the wheels of an E.V. That's awful. What this means is that it is more efficient to run a gas-powered vehicle.

You can do similar analyses with other renewables, whether wind or water power. They simply aren't efficient.

Image: Broken down Tesla outside Berlin. Photo by Ralf Roletschek

Moreover, renewables are available intermittently (when the sun shines, the wind blows, or the water flows). Because we want to drive when those power sources aren't immediately available, we will have to store excess sunlight in chemicals or in other ways, always remembering that storage and later reconversion is never free. And we will always have to maintain fossil fuel backup plants in case of renewables' failure.

This energy loss is not a secret. Smart people know about energy losses. Why, then, do so many favor a less efficient mode of transportation?

This analysis begins by recognizing that these smart people are fully aware of the above two points - namely, that fully electric vehicles are a riskier transport system compared to hybrids, and renewable power is a less efficient use of limited energy resources than gasoline.

Given this information, it is time for our conspiracy theory. By favoring a transportation system that can fail at a single point, we confer upon those in power the ability to shut down an entire civilization. And even if they don't completely shut it down, the price of electricity will be centrally controlled, allowing a chokehold on all the people all the time.

Redundancy is more expensive than efficiency, but redundancy at least leaves options. With our advanced understanding of complex systems today, no engineer would knowingly structure a system where failure at a single point makes everything inoperative for the foreseeable future. One broken gear in a clock makes it useless for its purpose, but we can buy another clock. Remaking a resilient transportation system is a herculean task.

The proper conclusion here is that society, meaning each and every one of us, should fight like hell before we allow such catastrophic vulnerabilities to be built into our future. One EMP explosion will eliminate most of the affected population within six months - and it won't be pleasant. Starvation is a particularly nasty way to end our days. And all the time we are starving to death, we'll have time to think how stupid we were to allow such things to be done to us.

Why would anyone trust the government to look after our welfare? Just don't do it. Just don't allow it! Just say no to E.V.s! Long live carburetors!

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That is especially stupid, even for Gary.

They (who ever they are) can shut down civilization? Fear, fear and more fear. Republicans are easier to control than a sock puppet.

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FK, you need a whole team of psychiatrists.

I have an Electric Car. I love it.

The Solar Power on our roof keeps it charged.

It runs great. Feels solid on the hwy.

You're living in fear of change, dude. And everything changes.

Do us all a favor. See a doctor or two.

We switched our water heater from gas to electric too.

Just to produce a gallon of gasoline, you need 5 gallons of crude oil. Think about what it takes to explore, drill, pump and transport the crude. Think about the energy expended in the process from exploration all the way to the gas station.

Talk about energy loss.

This douche would have us all in horse drawn carriages.

First off, i love my ICE engines and don't see an end of me of using gasoline/petro products in my life time...cars, boats, airplanes...all these use petro products as fuel and lubricants.

But, we should be mixing our fuels...electricity, LP, gasoline, diesel, bio-fuels...all have a place.
i had a truck that was rigged for natural gas and it was awesome. Used it in a place where getting CNG at the gas station wasn't hard. And it works great in snowy/freezing climates with minimal drama, only issue is only got about 150-175 miles out of a tank.
I'd love to have diesel Toyota hi-luxe pickup...have driven them in other countries and they are fk'ing bullet proof (ok, not literally... )

Ironically it takes 3-6 kWh to make each gallon of gas. The number varies depending on the season and the refinery.
Typical electric car efficiency: 300 Watt-hours/mile
Average EV distance on 6 kWh: 6000 watt-hours/mile / 300 Watt-hours/mile = 20 miles

So for every gallon of gasoline used a Eco EV could be drive about 20 miles.

There are other issues with EVs...but they will be worked out. All the big manufacturers are committing to EVs in the 2024-2030 time frame.

Hell, Dodge is already talking about making a 1200+ Hp halo car. That is insane. It will put any of the current Hellcat variants in the dust at the race track.

The Tesla Plaid has a hair over 1000 hp.
I've seen them at the drag strip and they are stupid easy to drive and stupid fast for a stock production car. Stock they run 9.2xx seconds every time on street tires and they don't care what the density altitude is at all. They are no shit fast.
I could teach a 12 year old to drive a Plaid and make sub 10 second 1/4 mile passes in an afternoon.

As a reference a well sorted Dodge Hellcat will run in the low 10's. a Z06 in the high 9's, and a mustang GT500 around 10.xx if they can keep it going straight.

Personally, I am looking forward to the evolution of the electrics and want to see what Dodge and the others are going to bring out....the performance numbers will be impressive.

But, the fun factor and theater of smoking tires, and screaming engines is going to be gone. That is the biggest drawback i see.

For a local family hauling car any of the current EV cars would do great, not sure i would want to cross country an EV right now.

Stay open minded.
Nobody is going to take your gasoline away, and the advent of EVs is breaking previous performance boundaries and as the tech develops it is going to be better for us as a community.


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it seems rather simple.

if you don't like electric cars, don't buy one.

this is America. We're free to drive what we like and like what we drive.

relax, fBomb.

you have your opinion. other people have a different opinion.

and that's FREEDOM.

THE SINISTER NATURE OF FREEDOM.

Cole, thank you for the nice compliment! Fun weekend of surf, hope you scored too. Fish - you didn't finish your math problem? Good progress though, is see errors corrected etc.; don't give up now. The usual advice given at this point would be: if your extrapolation isn't passing the smell test, interpolate! Get in there close up with the data and see what it's telling you, then try again. You can do this!

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You are welcome, though it's more truth than complimentary. I played soccer in the morning, surfed and then went to a punk rock show with my son and some friends; a most excellent weekend.



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^Woot!^ Morning hi tide sesh, yoga class with Mrs. tom, yard work then afternoon low tider! I AM a sore old man this morning.

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I heard the higher tide is working in the Sat beach area again. I need to be more diligent in my morning checks; Cocoa Beach is horrible at the higher tides at the moment.

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You didn't post a link to Ford Lightning's charging times for a commercial site.

You also need to post where all of that electricity is produced and with what fuel.

You really are a fool.



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Why is beachside gas and diesel +- .25 per gallon cheaper than the mainland, if beachsiders are so pollution sensitive it should be $% a gallon to curb use!

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So if electricity comes from oil, that's bad. But if you put gas into your gas guzzler and boat, that's good? Is that what you are saying.? My Electricity comes from Solar Panels. Are you self contradicting? A moron? Confused? Do you not like Solar Panels? Do you know where satellites get their power? Do you know how the internet works?. So Glad ur here. you're a funny guy.

I didn't make that claim.

I dont give a shit about electric vehicles as they pollute (creation to end) as much if not more than fossil fuel cars.

Thats a fact!

YOU AND YOUR ILK are trying to spout that electric vehicles are soooo 'green' and dont pollute.

YOUR FULL OF SHIT!

Most EVERYONE that uses an electric vehicle gets the electricity from the grid. That grid is MOSTLY FOSSIL FUEL!

FACT!

Yes you might have gotten some of your electricity from your solar panels BUT TO MAKE THOSE PANELS GENERATED RADICAL POLLUTION!

What do you do when you are away from home and need a charge?

YOU GET IT FROM FOSSIL FUEL!

So all you really are you POS..... is a hypocrite.





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-They are both card carrying narcissists.
^These are PROVED facts.

Edited: 12/20/2021 at 09:32 AM by Fish Killer

you really have a hard time with change , don't you?

The planet is going ELECTRIC.

is it perfect? is it totally green? are there charging stations available everywhere, yet.

NO! but here we go! regardless of whether you like it or not.

the repubs just stopped, 'BUILD BACK BETTER." idiots. that would have made getting charges easier. and help a lot of other infrasrtucture. however, it's only a matter of time. it's inevitable. lil' f'er can yell and scream and casll people names. it doesn't matter. ELECTRIC IS HERE TO STAY! ELECTRIC IS GROWING! LIKE YOUR FOSSIL FUEL, YOU ARE A DINOSAUR.. and, you pollute, alot more than electric!

thanks for the comedy of errors.

by the way, I sell Solar. my customers are very happy.

and I buy and sell oil on the market, to pay for my ELECTRIC CARS. it's perfect!

lol



Edited: 12/20/2021 at 09:48 AM by sandi

WHAT A TOTAL STUPID FUCK YOU ACTUALLY ARE!



Most people do NOT have solar panels on their roof!



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Edited: 12/04/2021 at 11:21 AM by Fish Killer

Considering my electricity is from Solar Panels, and I've never been caught in the snow, because I live in Florida...

YOU ARE A MORON.

but we know that....


I do own stock in a couple gas companies, so when the price goes up, I make money.

and you are a MORON.

YO...SHITFORBRAINS!

NOT EVERYBODY LIVES IN FLORIODA...YOU STUPID FUCK!

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-They are both card carrying narcissists.
^These are PROVED facts.

learn to read moron.

i said, "I" own an electric car, and "I" love it.

i never said they are a good choice for those who live in areas that get a lot of snow.

but i would buy an electric snowmobile...

you with me, MORON?

see a doctor, please.

soon.

DO NOT GET THE COVID VACCCINE!

What a great post, Bamboo!

Thanks!

As for Sandi

Go for it!

I have a neighbor who got solar-powered and some turd-like guy like Gary got all douchy and was like "whaddabout you Honda suv?"

So, he got a Tesla Powerwall and 2 Teslas for he & his lady. All power solar-powered.

Also, I get a fat Fedral Tax Credit for going Electric.

Well, looking back, I suspect fish found the answer to the F150 question. And yes, in order to compete with the X, the Hummer and the R1T, Ford will provide a 300 mi range for the F150. Not that you get 300 miles when towing. Guy I know tows his Airstream with his X, says he uses 150mi as his stop and charge number. So, about 300 mi to Marathon, one or two charges. I say two because when Mrs tom and I go to Duck Key, we stop twice. We're old so twice at 40 mins for EV vs twice at 20 mins for ICE, the EV adds 40 mins. Easy peasy.

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Also, anyone else following Lucid? 500 mi range. 0-60 in 2.5. 300 mi charge in 20 min. oh my. Elon who? https://www.roadandtrack.com/n...s-specs-hp-price-info/

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Edited: 12/21/2021 at 08:11 PM by tom

Lie^^^^ (it takes more than 40 minutes to charge and just getting to the charging station requires an off main road excursion. Your time at the the charge station is only producing an 80% charge. Once at the charging station jockeying for a position 'with a boat' is laughable. the bullshit 40 minutes is well over an hour. Furthermore when you get there one has to get the boat in the water and get ice and groceries etc. When done a THIRD charge is needed....soooo in fact tom IS FULL OF SHIT!)

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Edited: 12/22/2021 at 04:39 AM by Fish Killer

So predictable. Swearing, all caps, bold, accusations. Poor fish. Merry Christmas Ebenezer!

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That phony crap^^^...soooo predictable and doesn't excuse your lies.

Poooor tom.....live with it.

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-They are both card carrying narcissists.
^These are PROVED facts.

Edited: 12/22/2021 at 04:41 AM by Fish Killer

Hey! Three out of four, well done. A little coaching on the last one, accusations? Try something like "I disagree ... because ..."? You got this!

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That phony crap^^^...soooo predictable and doesn't excuse your lies.

Poooor tom.....LIVE WITH IT!


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I disagree because^.

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Did you really edit your response, say you didn't say what you said, then call Tom the liar? lol



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tom is a liar due to the fact that he lied.....

Maybe your simple brain can figure out where he lied.

It's blatantly obvious....

Oh wait...you're stupid...so all bets are off.

I'll give you a hint...it has to do with his math.





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The REAL truth is....both of the forum idiots are OWNED.
-BOTH of them have no clue who their owner is.
-They are both card carrying narcissists.
^These are PROVED facts.

Did you edit what he said out of your response? Yes or no?

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Nope:







^^^And this last one is tom's lie fest.

SO FUCK YOU COLESLAW!

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The REAL truth is....both of the forum idiots are OWNED.
-BOTH of them have no clue who their owner is.
-They are both card carrying narcissists.
^These are PROVED facts.

you really curse a lot. do you have anger problems? no peace in your sorry life? Try Jesus.. Only He can give you True Peace.
And, my Federal Tax Credit. That gives me Peace. It's alot of money. Money I can put into more Solar Panels.

LEARN TO READ YOUR OWN SHIT!

YOU ARE BACKING ELECTRIC CARS!

PERIOD!

THAT MAKES YOU AN ASSHOLE!



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-They are both card carrying narcissists.
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lol

1, Musk has said that if we really want to go "EV", we need to double our electric power generation capability, ASAP !!!

2. EV production causes just as much "hazard and waste" as regular autos do.

3. There are those who clearly state that the future of "recycling batteries" is going to be one, big, major, hazardous waste problem.

Win/win or loose/loose ???

And, it still cracks-me-up about the old "fuel cell thingy". Well sure, the "fuel cell" will eliminate the need for gasoline BUT, , , , just where do you think the needed "hydrocarbon" is going to come from ?? Oil wells !!!!!!

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your opinion is meaningless to me, except that it's actually sad, but funny.
I'll be getting a new 4 WD Subaru Electric, when they have some on the lot.
2022. Highest ground clearance in it's class. And other goodies.
Possibly a VW. But, doubtful. Mostly with $ I made on Oil, playing the market.
How ironic.
America, HOME OF THE FREE.

Sube Solterra: all wheel drive, 8+" of clearance, 220 mile range, 1hr/80% charge. Woot! Go Sube!

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Will it tow a 9000lb boat?

How about a 10,000lb travel trailer?

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The Solterra is a small SUV, you pudding brained baboon.

A Ford F-150 Hybrid V6 can pull 12,500 pounds.

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lol!

Edited: 12/16/2021 at 06:42 AM by StirfryMcflurry

The Santa Cruz reminds me of a reincarnation of the old Subaru Brat, but done better.
The new Hyundai and Kia cars have become really good. The Kia Stinger GT is a hoot to drive and might be in my daughter's future.

And you are right, automobiles have niches. The EVs fill a niche as do the hybrids.
BTW - Toyota has won the 24 hours of Le Mans 4 times in a row with hybrid race cars w/ top speeds in excess of 200mph.
The Tesla Plaid is a 9.2x second @ 150mph car right off the showroom floor...on stock tires, and you can get yours today and have one of the quickest production cars on the road that smokes cars that cost 10x more.

The best Heavy consumer towing vehicles are diesel and will remain diesel for a long time to come. It is their niche.

The big gas V8s are going away in a few years, except for maybe some specialty cars.
I'm thinking of ordering a new dodge this year, if so would probably be the last new V8 I ever buy.

It is nice to have options.

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It is indeed. I would like to keep those options. Problem is that the gov't seems intent on taking them away.

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F-150 Lightning has 10K towing capacity. Yep. Options. Hey Bamboo, I hear lots of racket about heavy commercial going toward natural gas. As always, infrastructure problems with fuel, but for engine maintenance issues, pretty nice stuff. Cummins seriously on board.

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Edited: 12/16/2021 at 02:12 PM by tom

How far will it tow my 9k boat?

I want actual miles before I have to plug it in an ELECTRIC SOCKET! (...with electricity that is produced by fossil fuel.)

(LMAO: "What is the range of the Ford Lightning when towing?
Image result for f-150 lightning towing capacity
We Bet F-150 Lightning's Range Is under 100 Miles when Towing at the Max. Ford promises EPA ratings of 230 and 300 miles, but towing and hauling near the claimed 10,000-pound maximum is going to seriously cut into those figures.")

...can you imagine having to stop every 100 miles for HOW LONG?

Answer: "F-150 Lightning Charge Time

Ford says this unit will fully recharge the standard-range battery in 14 hours and the extended range battery in 19 hours. A 48-amp Ford Connected wall mount charge station is optional. It requires a 240-volt source and can charge the batteries in 10 and 13 hours, respectively. Oct 4, 2021"

Soooooo...to tow my boat down to Marathon Florida this truck would have to stop how many times and charge for how long?

Driving Distance from Melbourne, FL to Marathon, Fl:
The total driving distance from Melbourne, FL to Marathon, FL is 285 miles or 459 kilometers.

Soooooo...I would have to stop two times on the way down AND then recharge a dead battery as soon as I get there!

Thats 42 hours of charge time....to get to Marathon Florida!

Also...where do I stay for the two (2) 14 hour charges on the way down?

AND I CAN HAVE THIS^^^ FUCKING NIGHTMARE ALL FOR THE LOW LOW PRICE OF BETWEEN 50K AND 90K! (...don't forget the not-listed, unspoken taxpayer subsidy of 15k or so!)

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Edited: 12/17/2021 at 05:57 AM by Fish Killer

Hey Tom,
I'm not surprised. It really is a good fuel, biggest downside in operation is knowing where the CNG stations are.
The truck i had was already rigged up for it, but the conversion isn't hard and it is possible to have a duel fuel set up nowadays. Where i was using it there were a bunch of CNG stations (California and Utah) and filling up was really cheap.

Lots of fleet and municipal vehicles use it because it is clean burning, reliable, no engine issues, etc. Heck, The oil looked pretty damn good when doing oil changes, it is clean stuff in an ICE. The long haul commercial guys would have to be able to run routes where CNG is available. I think there are some new tankage tech that allows for more fuel load.

In any case my experiences were very positive and I'd run CNG again, but stations are not real common in this area of Florida.

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Edited: 12/17/2021 at 04:56 AM by Bamboo

Yep, when I was a young guy, my Dad bought a dual fueler. Dodge camper van with the 383; they lived in CA then and fueling was right around the corner. I ran that dang thing all up and down the coast and through the mountains, etc. Got home and changed the oil and I swear it was almost the same color as when I put it in, still transparent, literally no soot. I was amazed. Good times. Um, the surf, the skiing and the oil change, haha. On a side note, that enhanced an interest for me in fuels and tribology that landed me some additional contracts at Langley. Also good times, and still fun to keep up with.

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Tribology! Ha! not exactly a word one hears every day.

Friction, can't live with it, can't live without it - one of my old profs used to say. At the time we thought he was referring to something else.

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Either way, it's all about the friction... Woot!

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No one will answer you moronic questions, because no one cares what you think. You are a big fat annoying mosquito that's begging for the swatter.



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YO...SHITFORBRAINS PROG COMMIE LIAR.....

IF YOU COULD ACTUALLY READ.... THE ANSWERS ARE ALREADY THERE!

WHAT A FUCKING MORON LOW IQ IDIOT YOU ARE!

FOOL!

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Edited: 12/17/2021 at 06:45 AM by Fish Killer

Poor fish, about 40 mins for 80% charge at any of the commercial charge stations. The app even directs you to them. And before you ask, there are like 20 in the Brevard alone, even more as you go south. Doh.

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IF YOU COULD ACTUALLY READ

Read unibomber speak? No thanks, it's not worth the effort.



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Well...we all know that you can't read....

Had you read what was posted you would have known that all the answers were already there....

Coleslaw ALWAYS jumps to conclusions BEFORE getting any actual facts!

Sooooooo........carry on.

Fool!

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-They are both card carrying narcissists.
^These are PROVED facts.

Sooo if your bullshit is actually correct I will need 4 charges to get to marathon.....

Thats an extra 200 minutes added to my regular 6 hour tow.

Thats an extra 3.33 hours!

Thats like literally 50% more time added to my trip!

Sooooooo...a 10 hour trip to have MY TRUCK ready to go (80% charged when I get there)....IF YOUR BULLSHIT IS CORRECT. (it's not)


^^^^This is why you get the BULLSHIT flag.

It's been TOSSED till you prove otherwise.

"Currently available DC fast chargers require inputs of 480+ volts and 100+ amps (50-60 kW) and can produce a full charge for an EV with a 100-mile range battery in slightly more than 30 minutes (178 miles of electric drive per hour of charging...for a 100 mile range battery)."

THE BATTERIES IN THIS TRUCK ARE NOT 100 MILE RANGE BATTERIES.......MORON!

One step further...towing a 9k boat...a full charge might get 100 miles.

An 80% charge...80 miles.

Its 285 miles to Marathon.

Full charge from home gets 100 miles (maybe...towing a 9k boat).

First charge at 80% (50 minutes) might get you 80 miles

(thats 180 miles from home).

Second charge (50 more minutes) might get you 80 more miles.

(thats 260 miles from home)

Third charge (50 more minutes) might get you 80 more miles.

It's only 25 miles to Marathon so you have maybe 55 miles left of your charge.

Thats toast because you have to put the boat in the water...get to the location...unload all your crap. Go get groceries etc...

Your 55 miles is toast.

Fourth charge (50 more minutes)...you now have enough power to get around on Marathon.

4 charges at 50 minutes per charge....200 minutes.

3 hours 33 minutes.

This does not take into account that you wont find a supercharging station EVERY 80 miles...AND you most likely wont find them along the route that you are taking. You will be traveling off your path to get a 'fill up'. This takes more time and more electricity. A LOT MORE!


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^These are PROVED facts.

Edited: 12/17/2021 at 02:00 PM by Fish Killer

My F250: 4 wheel drive, 14"+ clearance, 400+ mile range, 5 min./100% refueled. And can tow 10,000 lbs. Kind of depends on what your needs are, doesn't it? Think my next "car" will be a Hyundai Santa Cruz. That one checks a lot of boxes for me.

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they have electric skateboards now too.

I'm in...

"A Ford F-150 Hybrid V6 can pull 12,500 pounds." On flat ground, and for how long before it blows up--Ford is notorious for failures, the 6.0 (blow) the 5.4 and who can forget the Pinto!

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The sinister nature of electric windmills.........
all the billions of birds.
And the cancer.....did I mention the cancer? Yuuuuge problem

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me likey EV's.
they may not be for everyone.
but Good for me.
Good for the enviornment.
You live in Florida FK.
Why don't you get one?

Ford and Chevy both selling some pretty sinister e-crate motors now. https://www.google.com/amp/s/w...-mach-e-gt-performance

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Was curious. Heater in our little camper is 0.75 kW, usable batt capacity of a Tesla 3 is 75kW, so the batt at full charge would run the heat about 100hrs. Idling a car engine (for heat?) uses about 1/2 gal/hr, so maybe 40 hrs on a 20 gal tank.

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That Tesla battery is over 1000 lbs lol

How long will the heater run in a Tesla?
The cabin heater is the only meaningful variable, it can pull 6+ kw at full tilt. So if it's extremely cold and working full time, you're talking maybe 15 hours from full to empty. Nov 16, 2018

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-They are both card carrying narcissists.
^These are PROVED facts.

Holy smokes, what a heater! That 6kW would typically heat 400-500 sq ft. Ya, gonna be warm.

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Tom,

I think that I would understand that normal folk like us are going to the "junk yard" and buying batteries from wrecked Prius !?

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Hey Ding, you mean for the crate? A Prius batt isn't going to do much at 3kW, give or take. Hybrids too small. A Bolt batt might, about 60 kW in the first gen.

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Electirc cars are fine. They have their strong points and weak points like most things. It is good that we have a choice. At the moment, ICE vehicle better suits my needs. If that changes, I will have no hesitation about getting an electric vehicle. Are electric vehicles a panacea? Nope. Neither are ICE vehicles. Let the manufacturers build what they want and the people buy what they want.

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Jeeze t, some prog hack your account? ^That's mostly rational.^ Welcome back?

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T-bag is just fighting for the right to roll coal. According to him, Global Warming is a hoax and those who believe it are Libtard fools.

His outdated opinion means nothing.

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Obviously that is patently false.





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Climate change is absolutely real. Tax cuts don't work. Trickle down doesn't work. The world is moving to renewables. The vaccine works. Covid is not a Liberal hoax. LGBTQ are American citizens and get equal rights under the Constitution.

You guys are just whale oil salesmen and Buffalo hunters in the modern age. Your extinction is eminent.

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Sorry, sport.

According to the Lying Fish and the other idiots at The American Spectator, electirc (sic) cars are "sinister".

The Norwegian University of Science and Technology study found greenhouse gas emissions rose dramatically if coal was used to produce the electricity.

Electric car factories also emitted more toxic waste than conventional car factories, their report in the Journal of Industrial Ecology said.

Big impact
The team looked at the life-cycle impact of conventional and electric vehicles.

In essence, they considered how the production, the use and the end-of-life dismantling of a car affects the environment, explained co-author Prof Anders Hammer Stromman.

"The production phase of electric vehicles proved substantially more environmentally intensive," the report said, comparing it to how petrol and diesel cars are made.

"The global warming potential from electric vehicle production is about twice that of conventional vehicles."

In addition, producing batteries and electric motors requires a lot of toxic minerals such as nickel, copper and aluminium.

Hence, the acidification impact is much greater than that of conventional car production.

"Across the other impacts considered in the analysis including potential for effects related to acid rain, airborne particulate matter, smog, human toxicity, ecosystem toxicity and depletion of fossil fuel and mineral resources, electric vehicles consistently perform worse or on par with modern internal combustion engine vehicles, despite virtually zero direct emissions during operation," according to Prof Stromman.

'Counterproductive' efforts
With electric car production being so damaging to the environment, these cars have already polluted a great deal by the time they hit the road, the report says.

In regions where fossil fuels are the main sources of power, electric cars offer no benefits and may even cause more harm, the report said.

"It is counterproductive to promote electric vehicles in regions where electricity is primarily produced from lignite, coal or even heavy oil combustion."

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Electric Cars Aren't Nearly as Green as People Think
Next time you see an electric car or a charging station, keep in mind the emissions involved in producing the battery and the electricity used to keep it running.
Friday, April 26, 2019
Catherine Alles

For years, I've imagined how great it would be to own an electric car. Instead of spending almost 40 bucks every week or so on gas, I could just drop by my local outpost and charge my car while I buy organic vegetables.

Wouldn't that be great? Not only for myself but also for the environment? Maybe not.

Although electric cars are a step in the right direction, their production and charging still contribute to CO2 levels, in some cases even more than gas cars.

Shifting Emissions from the Tailpipe to Power Plant
Carbon dioxide emissions don't just come out of a tailpipe. Electric cars emit CO2 both in their production and during their charging. First, the production of the electric batteries requires lithium, cobalt, and manganese. Manufactures end up expending a large amount of energy on mining and processing these raw materials.

According to a new German study from researchers Christoph Buchal, Hans-Dieter Karl, and Hans-Werner Sinn,

For a Tesla battery of 75 kWh, this means an additional CO2 emission of 10 875 kg to 14 625 kg of CO2.

Converted to pounds, these numbers are between 23 thousand and 32 thousand pounds of carbon emissions. For each battery!

Even after the initial production of the battery, many electric cars are charged by power plants that produce electricity by burning coal or gas. According to the US Energy Information Administration, 63 percent of total electricity generation in the United States is created using fossil fuels. If the electricity being used to power the electric cars is being produced using fossil fuels, then using electric cars is simply shifting CO2 emissions from the tailpipe of the car to the electricity power plant.

Electricity from Fossil Fuels
Around the world, different countries have different levels of dependency on fossil fuels for electricity production. For example, according to a 2017 study by Michael Sivak and Brandon Schoettle at the University of Michigan,

On one extreme is Albania (which generates 100% of its electricity from hydroelectric power)... on the other extreme are Botswana and Gibraltar (which generate 100% of their electricity from coal and oil).

Though electric cars may not visibly emit CO2 while driving, don't be fooled. A significant amount of CO2 emissions are produced in manufacturing the battery and in its ongoing charging. According to a 2012 Yale Study,

It is counterproductive to promote EVs in regions where electricity is produced from oil, coal, and lignite combustion.

Misleading Marketing
Imagine if Tesla announced a new "green" airplane that ran completely on electricity. But if the production of the battery emitted tens of thousands of pounds of carbon emissions, and its charging hundreds more, would it really be green? So it is with electric cars.

Next time you see an electric car or a charging station, keep in mind the emissions involved in producing the battery and the electricity used to keep it running.

At the end of the day, the direct comparison between electric cars and gas cars is irrelevant. What really matters is the overall amount of carbon emissions involved in the production, charging, and driving of a car throughout its lifetime. Especially when over half of America's electricity is produced with fossil fuels, it is misleading to propose that electric cars produce "zero emissions."

So next time you see an electric car or a charging station, keep in mind the emissions involved in producing the battery and the electricity used to keep it running. Outward appearances can be deceiving.

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Coal is outta here. Nobody is using coal anymore.

What's going on with coal today? Glad you asked.



This denier's opinion is based on a shitty premise.

The efficiency will increase. The recycle-ability will increase and the extraction and material will required will become more efficient.

But, if it were up to you, we'd be riding on carriages pulled by horses.