https://openvaers.com/covid-data/covid-reports?start=24 Yet, none of these get reported. And you all wonder why people don't trust Big Pharma, the Government, the Media, of the vaccine itself.

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"Its easier to fool people than to convince them they have been fooled" - Mark Twain

LOL almost everyone has an adverse reaction to vaccines, you moron.

The type of adverse reaction and the rate of those relative to the number of doses is the important metric. Additionally, a hell of a lot of what is reported to VAERS is just whatever happened after vaccine administration and you have to look at the rate of that compared to a control group to determine if the vaccine was a causative agent. People like OBX are the reason that a safe and effective Lymes vaccine was pulled from initial rollout 20 years ago.

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You guys are rich. Any of you actually click on the link and see what the reactions are? Of course not. 701,559 reported reactions with 14,925 resulting in death. YET NONE OF THAT IS REPORTED IN THE MEDIA. Keep your head in the sand, keep demeaning and snarking at the dissent, keep on what with the non-sequitur justifications to protect yourself from seeing the truth. Trust the Media, trust Big Pharma, trust the Government and attack those that don't. Be the useful idiots you're meant to be.

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"Its easier to fool people than to convince them they have been fooled" - Mark Twain

So secret there's a web link to it and the 100,000 of thousands of medical professionals in the country (save the one or two cranks that OBX follows) are ignoring it and committing genocide by advising their patients to get vaccinated.

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So what is the rate of serious reactions? (number per dose). What is the rate of death for a demographic in the VAERS system (say vaccinated people 70 and older) compared to a control group?

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I had 102 fever for a day the felt great. Felt so weird to have a fever like that with zero other infections. You go through those VAERS reports and you quickly find that the serious ones are old people that kicked the bucket from something that probably wasn't the vaccine.

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You're really trying to be obtuse, aren't you? Just because its not being reported doesn't mean its secret. Unless you only swallow what's being told. Also, way to generalize the notion of "the vaccine carries with it risks that should be up to the individual" to dr's commiting genocide. WTF, Scom....you're better then that.

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"Its easier to fool people than to convince them they have been fooled" - Mark Twain

Tell me. If the vaccine is so dangerous. Why aren't medical professionals raising the alarm? They have access to VAERS. That have to report all deaths that occur after vaccination to VAERS. They are conversant with the data.

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Doctors that sound the alarm are quickly silenced or deemed "quacks" by the media (in which you all end up being the mouth piece for). NOONE FINDS IT SCARY THAT DOCTORS GET CENSURED ON YOUTUBE?. If you don't find that alarming, then you're swimming in the propaganda induced bias that comes with being manipulated. The vaccine carries with it risk, so does COVID. Its up to the individual to decide which risk they take. That is the whole argument being so eloquently danced around by you guys.

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"Its easier to fool people than to convince them they have been fooled" - Mark Twain

I find it annoying that the youtube alt-medicine people cry about censorship when they actively block dissenters on their channels and file complaints against skeptics that create videos debunking their baseless claims. Hap put up specific numbers straight from VAERS.

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Yup, I did.

"muscle pain; Joint pain; fatigue; fever; Swollen arm; Vaccination site warmth; swollen lymph nodes at my shoulder/neck and armpit; This spontaneous case was reported by a consumer and describes the occurrence of PERIPHERAL SWELLING (Swollen arm), VACCINATION SITE WARMTH (Vaccination site warmth), LYMPHADENOPATHY (swollen lymph nodes at my shoulder/neck and armpit), MYALGIA (muscle pain) and ARTHRALGIA (Joint pain) in a 32-year-old female patient who received mRNA-1273 (Moderna COVID-19 Vaccine) "

That basically happens to everyone LOL. Dude, you are super dumb.

HAHAHAHAHA!!! Yeah, go ahead and cherry pick the one instance that fits your bias, and exclude the over 14k that resulted in death.......and then call me dumb for not doing it. You are a role model for useful idiots....

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"Its easier to fool people than to convince them they have been fooled" - Mark Twain

This thread is a perfect example of bias. You all are cherry picking and trying real hard to dance around the FACT the vaccine carries with it risk, and in some instances death. All documented for you to see if you choose to look, but not reported in the media. You play the same card of "how do we know it was really the vaccine" yet snark at the ones who do the same thing with COVID deaths. You then will go on to vaccinate yourselves from something with an greater than 98% chance of survival, and snark at the ones who don't trust the vaccine, that also carries with it a slight chance of death/long term effects (<- which we don't even know yet). Classic libtard hypocrisy at play here...you all are the making of a wet dream for the Oligarchy. Keep on keeping on....

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"Its easier to fool people than to convince them they have been fooled" - Mark Twain

Meanwhile you will drink alcohol, smoke cigarettes/marijuana, pollute the air, take horse pills, and other treatments that carry they same risk and most cases even more risk.

But we posted real scientific data from validated scientific sources that has relevance, not random links with a sensationalized layout of that small, very small percentage .00020% of unverified deaths associated to the vaccine.

It's not hypocrisy, it's logic. Your views are idiotic and steeped in political emotion, not science and numbers.

Edited: 09/22/2021 at 10:25 AM by HAPDigital

Failure to vaccinate? 650,000 dead. Seems like a risk benefit analysis is in order here.

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"One of the reasons why propaganda tries to get you to hate government is because it's the one existing institution in which people can participate to some extent and constrain tyrannical unaccountable power." Noam Chomsky.

650,000? Is that accurate? I have seen much to suggest that it is not. Some are. Saw a video the other day in which doctors are being told not to report incidents to VAERS.

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More than 386 million doses of COVID-19 vaccines were administered in the United States from December 14, 2020, through September 20, 2021. During this time, VAERS received 7,899 reports of death (0.0020%) among people who received a COVID-19 vaccine. FDA requires healthcare providers to report any death after COVID-19 vaccination to VAERS, even if it's unclear whether the vaccine was the cause.

So most of these deaths are not even to be confirmed it is the vaccine or not. But compare that to the risk of not taking the vaccine, like 3% of around that same number of people that get covid compared to .00020% of mostly unconfirmed associated vaccine deaths.

Good think PABS and OBX aren't actuaries.

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That puts it in perspective and something to add into addition prior point made about the classification of those deaths: Firstly, 0.002% is much much lower than the 1% to maybe 4% mortality rate of confirmed cases LINK and of those 7899 deaths one would expect from the ones that are from effects of the vaccine that a significant amount of them were most likely caused by the body's natural process attempting to build antibodies or whatnot ( e.g. they would have not survived covid ). As while the vaccine does not actually put live virus into your body, it does initiate a process where your body has to do some work within the immune system similar to what occurs if live virus, and some people's bodies just may not be able to do that ( e.g. puts to much stress on the system and other organs fail or triggers heart attack etc ). I would expect the actual number of deaths due to unrelated ( e.g. other actual true random side effects of the vaccine ) is much much lower probably more like 70 than 7899

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get up early and go surf - it'll make that hangover go away and/or make the workday more tolerable :)

Edited: 09/22/2021 at 08:14 PM by surferclimber

It goes on to say none of the deaths are confirmed to be from the vaccine, they are just linked to people that died after getting the vaccine. I think there are like a handful of cases that were actually confirmed to be due to the vaccine. So yeah, that .002 percent is more like .00000000001 percent or some low percentage near 0.
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Who didn't report on it?


CNN
http://www.cnn.com/factsfirst/...c88-ac6e-06d6e7acff28

NBC
http://www.nbcnews.com/health/...xpected-side-n1265986

ABC
http://abcnews.go.com/Health/a...ysis/story?id=77196039

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I was right.

Now look at the percentage of people dying from covid without the vaccine: 99% and some change. That means that only .6% of the people dying from covid are vaccinated. Seems like a no brainer to me. Get vaxxed.

Obie, listen man, if you feel confident that you know how to interpret the data from VAERS and that the risk of the vaccine is greater than the benefit, then DON'T GET THE VACCINE.

We all got it and we're fine, but hey, we're probably in better shape than you. No worries. You're the smart guy, take care of yourself.

As for me I'll happily re-up on Moderna as soon as it's available to my cohort.

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OBX posted a day or so ago that Holmes was flooded with thrombosis cases after the vaccinations started. LOL He never posted any actual evidence of this.

He posted that the vaccines have caused a rise of infections due to rise in vaccinations. He has yet to post a medical study done by medical professionals that show cause of infections due to rise in vaccinations.

I can go on and on. His "research" is all compiled of hearsay and out of context BS with no medical association backing at all.

And thats the whole point. I'll do me, you do you. However, don't you try and force your will onto me, and we'll be OK. Have you seen Moderna's stock since this whole thing started (go ahead, look it up)? They'd be happy to see you're on board for that 3rd jab. Probably so happy their laughing while holding hands with Pfizer and skipping to the bank.

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"Its easier to fool people than to convince them they have been fooled" - Mark Twain

Nobody is forcing it on you, just don't spread bad info like you are doing. Most of your nonsense is false and conspiracy theory.

Well since so far it's a socialist vaccine it's not costing me anything outright so that's fine.

As for you, yeah don't get it, fine with me. But if you share a space with others, they may take exception since you'd be putting them at risk.




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From VAERS: "VAERS is co-managed by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) and the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA)." So, using government reported data from the government that people don't trust to say "none" is reported, even though you've correctly identified the government agency, VAERS (vaers.hhs.gov), it came from? You can't make this stuff up folks, humor at every turn!

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They like the info when it is arranged in a way that seems to back their crazy view point. Put some red dots near the deaths and post mostly the deaths and disregard all the other info, call it "research".

I just did some research and found a show with Michael Flynn claiming that 'they' were going to start hiding the vaccine in salad dressing. The show was also speaking highly of Vladimir Zelenko and offering free wealth consultations with Andrew Sorchini.

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When I say "report", I'm referring to the Media. Go ahead and find me one article from CNN, MSNBC, ABC, or any other major network, discussing the side effects and/or cases of death due to vaccination. (And im not talking about a small blurb somewhere buried) The FACT is, they don't.

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"Its easier to fool people than to convince them they have been fooled" - Mark Twain

They do report on it. However, it is completely not news worthy because the side effects rarely cause death. The percentage is extremely low and rare. Do you think the news would avoid a blockbuster story like a vaccine killing tons of people? NO they wouldn't.

You really are fearful of a vaccine that has a super low death rate, like almost 0% chance of dying. However, you are calling people scared of Covid, something that has an actual single digit number percentage chance of killing you, like 3% and an ever higher possibility of really fucking you up. LOL What a wacko.

Edited: 09/22/2021 at 12:13 PM by HAPDigital

Where have I said I'm afraid of the vaccine? Where have I adamantly suggested people not take it? I'd say its wacko to be so scared of something with a greater than 99% chance of survival (if you're healthy and under 65) enough that you'll actually start trusting the Government, Big Pharma, and the media. But....you're an useful idiot for the Oligarchy so its no shocker on that front.

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"Its easier to fool people than to convince them they have been fooled" - Mark Twain

I'd prefer not to have to "throw the kitchen sink at it" and look like a train hit me like Joe Rogan did. No thanks. Also, everyone I know that got covid prior to the vaccine had serious issues for a long time afterward, like loss of taste/smell and pains etc. It's beyond survivability rate. You are playing with fire if you think that small 3% is small.
I'd rather be a useful idiot than a straight up dumb fuck though.

Edited: 09/22/2021 at 01:18 PM by HAPDigital

Again, your choice. And by the way, it's less than 2% if you lump in over 65 and/or underlying issues. If you exclude them, it's closer to 1%. So yeah, take the chance with the vaccine to make the chance even lower, go for it. Don't force your fear into others who don't. Which again....is my whole point in all of this.

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"Its easier to fool people than to convince them they have been fooled" - Mark Twain

Why would they? It would tend to be misunderstood by the general drooling public who are already running around eating heartworm pills.



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“It is the heart of US policy to use fascism to preserve capitalism while claiming to be saving democracy from communism “ - Michael Parenti

Aspirin has a higher yearly mortality rate than the covid vaccine. You can get aspirin over the counter lol

Hey dumba$$ who is afraid? Buy not getting vaxxed you can more easily infect others. You want to give it to your family? That's your business.

You want to spread it to other Americans? Now you are going full Qotard.

You are unable to make a link work on a forum, and don't know how to make

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break

Yet, you expect us to listen to you over highly educated experts in the field of viruses and vaccinations?

yeah. OK.

Best of luck to you and yours in the coming months and years.







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Edited: 09/22/2021 at 02:32 PM by 1974

Expand your horizons? I searched NPR and side effects. Probably plenty others I expect. Last one? https://www.npr.org/sections/g...-you-still-double-mask // https://www.npr.org/sections/h...ion-but-some-prefer-it // https://www.npr.org/2021/08/02...on-changes-post-vaccin

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Edited: 09/22/2021 at 02:42 PM by tom

Nikki Minaj says she heard from a friend's brother in barbados that it gives your balls a huge boost and there's no need to marry just one woman after that, or something like that. She has 20 million followers so the word is getting out about side effects and since she is a trusted source with a scientific background, its not a stupid dangerous rumor that endangers the lives of idiots that believe stupid shit from stupid people.

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"One of the reasons why propaganda tries to get you to hate government is because it's the one existing institution in which people can participate to some extent and constrain tyrannical unaccountable power." Noam Chomsky.

Dr. Minaj giving out the latest "research"



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The problem is people think .01 and .00001 are similar numbers

And the .01 is not actually the most correct value since that is deaths/population... But that value is valid only if everyone had been infected, but the whole population didn't get covid! so the denominator should be number of confirmed cases. That actually gives a value of around 3% not 0.01

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get up early and go surf - it'll make that hangover go away and/or make the workday more tolerable :)

I'm really scared of this one....

"Unexplainable itchy hands without bumps or rashes. It feels extremely itchy but when scratched it is unsatisfying and still feels itchy. Kind of hard to explain so I hope you?ll understand."

Man, I'm spooked............yawn

Look at her sciencing!!

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"One of the reasons why propaganda tries to get you to hate government is because it's the one existing institution in which people can participate to some extent and constrain tyrannical unaccountable power." Noam Chomsky.