California professor sues over vaccine mandate, says he has natural immunity
Other staffers joined the professor on the effectiveness of natural immunity
By Emma Colton | Fox News

A University of California professor is suing the school system's Board of Regents and president over a coronavirus vaccine mandate, which he argues he does not need because of his natural immunity against the virus.

"I feel like I'm being treated unequally," Aaron Kheriaty, professor of psychiatry and human behavior at the University of California, Irvine, said, SBG reported. "If my immunity is as good, indeed, very likely better, than that conferred by the vaccine, there doesn't seem to be any rational basis for discriminating against my form of immunity and requiring me to get a different form of immunity."

Kheriaty, who serves as director of UCI's Medical Ethics Program and is a member of the UC Office of the President Critical Care Bioethics Working Group, said he contracted the virus in July 2020 and had raised concerns over the vaccine mandate to school leaders. However, he said he was met "mostly with radio silence" before he filed the lawsuit.

A NEW STUDY SAYS NATURAL IMMUNITY MAY BE BETTER THAN VACCINES

"Efforts to elicit conversation, discussion, debate on the issue have fallen flat in my experience," he said, adding that he took legal action after hearing concerns from others at the school.

"It became clear to me that if I, as a medical ethicist, didn't stand up and try to represent those voices, then those folks would be steamrolled by these policies," he said.

Other faculty members joined Kheriaty on the effectiveness of natural immunity in a legal brief and cited research showing that people who have previously contracted COVID-19 may experience worse side effects from the vaccine than those who never contracted the virus.

"It violates medical ethics to expose someone to this risk when they have robust, durable immunity that actually neutralizes SARS-CoV-2 upon exposure," the faculty members wrote.

Kheriaty told Fox News on Thursday that he has "been overwhelmed with very encouraging correspondence, too much to keep up with, from many faculty and staff, as well as graduate and undergraduate students, at the University of California who have natural immunity and feel they don't need the vaccine."

"The emails and messages thank me for filing the suit on their behalf. I've received appreciative messages also from faculty and staff who have been vaccinated but still believe the UC's coercive mandate is unethical and dangerous, and so are supportive of my lawsuit," he said.

The school system does allow for temporary medical exemption from the vaccine mandate for those with natural immunity. The exemption, however, only covers for up to 90 days after a person is diagnosed with the coronavirus.

Kheriaty added that people should get the vaccine if they're so inclined to do so, but noted that people should weigh the risks of the coronavirus against the risks of vaccine side effects.

"We reason about risks this way all the time," he said. "We recognize that there are competing social goods and that we're always balancing those social goods. And somehow we haven't been able to apply those ways of reasoning to COVID."

"The vaccine mandates bypass that whole process of individualized medicine and individualized care," he added. "And they bypass the process of informed consent that's so central to good clinical medicine."

A study out of Israel published at the end of August shows that uninfected, vaccinated people are six to 13 times more likely to get an infection in the future compared to people who are unvaccinated and previously contracted the virus. It also found that vaccinated individuals are seven to 27 times more likely to have a symptomatic future infection than those who recovered from the virus.

The study is not yet peer-reviewed, but follows what other doctors and U.S. political leaders have said in recent months.

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Kentucky Republican Sen. Rand Paul, who is also a physician, said earlier this year he will not get the vaccine as he has natural immunity from previously contracting the virus.

"Until they show me evidence that people who have already had the infection are dying in large numbers, or being hospitalized or getting very sick, I just made my own personal decision that I'm not getting vaccinated because I've already had the disease and I have natural immunity," Paul said in May.

Paul added in an op-ed that month: "To dictate that a person recovered from COVID-19 with natural immunity also submit to a vaccine - without scientific evidence - is nothing more than hubris. If you have no proof that people who acquired natural immunity are getting or transmitting the disease in real numbers, then perhaps you should just be quiet."

U.S. health officials, meanwhile, have continued encouraging people to get the shot, regardless of whether they have already been infected. A Centers for Disease Control and Prevention study published last month also found that people with natural immunity were twice as likely to be reinfected with the virus than those with natural immunity who were also vaccinated.

MAKARY RESPONDS TO FAUCI ACKNOWLEDGING COVID NATURAL IMMUNITY: 'I'M GLAD HE'S NOW CHANGING HIS TUNE'

"These data further indicate that COVID-19 vaccines offer better protection than natural immunity alone and that vaccines, even after prior infection, help prevent reinfections," the CDC said in a news release on the study.

Kheriaty, however, argued that health officials are helping facilitate vaccine hesitancy because they are not transparent about the effectiveness of natural immunity.

"The American people are not stupid," he said. "When people see that public health officials are systematically ignoring important findings or important issues, it has the opposite effect of what the public health officials want. It increases vaccine hesitancy, rather than addressing the concerns of those who are hesitant."

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The REAL truth is....both of the forum idiots are OWNED.
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-They are both card carrying narcissists.
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We'll be seeing this idiot in the "dropping like flies" thread in a few months..

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Hi. I'm Mike.

It's now proved that natural immunity is far superior to any vaccine.



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The REAL truth is....both of the forum idiots are OWNED.
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-They are both card carrying narcissists.
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What's proved is Qish is a sad fat dipshit.

Magic immunity? Or is it divine?

How many millions think they had this "touch of God' and are now meeting him face to face?

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I was right.

With natural immunity (having had covid before) not many...as thats now proved.

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The REAL truth is....both of the forum idiots are OWNED.
-BOTH of them have no clue who their owner is.
-They are both card carrying narcissists.
^These are PROVED facts.

Do you think this immunity will last your lifetime? The common cold can be caught multiple times. The common cold is a Coronavirus.



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I was right.

SO FAR IT"S LASTED WAY LONGER THAN YOUR POS JAB!

I HAD CORONA VIRUS BACK IN DECEMBER OF 2019!

THEY ARE STATING NOW THAT MY IMMUNITY COULD POSSIBLY LAST A LIFETIME!

FACT!



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The REAL truth is....both of the forum idiots are OWNED.
-BOTH of them have no clue who their owner is.
-They are both card carrying narcissists.
^These are PROVED facts.

I've had a cold before.

NOW I'LL NEVER HAVE A COLD AGAIN!!!!!

I'M IMMUNE!!!! THANK YOU JESUS!!!

You're plan's gonna work FishFapper! You'll prove them all wrong! You Da Man, FK!

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Hi. I'm Mike.

I 'could' get it again...but my immune system killed it before.

My odds are WAY better than yours!

They've proved that as well.

MORON!



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-They are both card carrying narcissists.
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Best of luck!



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Hi. I'm Mike.

All of what you said is wrong.

Unless you somehow managed to get the Delta variant before it existed.



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I was right.

ARE YOU CALLING MY DOCTOR A LIAR?

DOCTOR COLESLAW?!?!

FUCKING IDIOT!

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-BOTH of them have no clue who their owner is.
-They are both card carrying narcissists.
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ARE YOU CALLING MY DOCTOR A LIAR?


Yes, I am.

But then again, the chance your doctor told you this is about zero.

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Ellebedy's team has observed early signs that Pfizer's mRNA vaccine should trigger the production of the same cells4. But the persistence of antibody production, whether elicited by vaccination or by infection, does not ensure long-lasting immunity to COVID-19. The ability of some emerging SARS-CoV-2 variants to blunt the protective effects of antibodies means that additional immunizations may be needed to restore levels, says Ellebedy. "My presumption is, we will need a booster."

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I was right.

YOU WILL NEED MANY BOOSTERS!

ME...NOPE!

http://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-01442-9

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The REAL truth is....both of the forum idiots are OWNED.
-BOTH of them have no clue who their owner is.
-They are both card carrying narcissists.
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Please PLEASE go with your current strategy FishFap.

Ignore the last paragraph. You know best. You've DONE YOUR OWN RESEARCH.

You da man, FK!

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Hi. I'm Mike.

Exactly! lol

Does he even bother to look?



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I was right.

Either he doesn't completely read articles, or he doesn't actually understand them.

or both. (most likely)



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Hi. I'm Mike.

I'm thinking both too.

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I was right.

DOCTOR COLESLAW IS CALLING MY DOCTOR A LIAR!

FUCK OFF COLESLAW!

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The REAL truth is....both of the forum idiots are OWNED.
-BOTH of them have no clue who their owner is.
-They are both card carrying narcissists.
^These are PROVED facts.

We all.know your "doctor" is a jizz covered laptop from 1999, and a browserful of weird Tfap "news" sites LOL



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Hi. I'm Mike.

Filing a lawsuit doesn't mean shit.

Ghouliani and Powell and Lin Wood filed more than 80 lawsuits and they all got tossed.

BFD.

"Centers for Disease Control and Prevention study published last month also found that people with natural immunity were twice as likely to be reinfected with the virus than those with natural immunity who were also vaccinated." ????????????? Ughhh, I actually did some work on the data analysis on the paper being referred to here, which points to reason to still vax even if already infected. The study used a regression type model to compare reinfection rates of basically vaccinated VS unvaccinated: It showed unvaccinated were twice, almost three times, as likely to get reinfected, the paper is publicly available, called the Kentucky study, if you want to read into it. The lead author is a research professor & doctor who teaches at the university of Kentucky. Anywayyyyys in regards to the original post while the professor does have a good argument, provided antibody levels verifies, the vaccine push is really pointed to the unvaxed who have not had exposure, you know the people filling our hospitals currently, sadly

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get up early and go surf - it'll make that hangover go away and/or make the workday more tolerable :)

Edited: 09/11/2021 at 06:59 PM by surferclimber

"Many people who have been infected with SARS-CoV-2 will probably make antibodies against the virus for most of their lives. So suggest researchers who have identified long-lived antibody-producing cells in the bone marrow of people who have recovered from COVID-191."

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The REAL truth is....both of the forum idiots are OWNED.
-BOTH of them have no clue who their owner is.
-They are both card carrying narcissists.
^These are PROVED facts.

"A study out of Israel published at the end of August shows that uninfected, vaccinated people are six to 13 times more likely to get an infection in the future compared to people who are unvaccinated and previously contracted the virus. It also found that vaccinated individuals are seven to 27 times more likely to have a symptomatic future infection than those who recovered from the virus."

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The REAL truth is....both of the forum idiots are OWNED.
-BOTH of them have no clue who their owner is.
-They are both card carrying narcissists.
^These are PROVED facts.

It's gonna work out great for you Gary- nothing to be concerned about. You'll show em all- You're IMMUNE!



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Hi. I'm Mike.

Much much more so than you are...idiot!

FACT!

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The REAL truth is....both of the forum idiots are OWNED.
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-They are both card carrying narcissists.
^These are PROVED facts.

Go get em lard lad with preexisting conditions.

You da man!

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I was right.

Yes it seems logical that the immunity from covid survivor would be > a vaccinated person who never had covid. But the data now appears to be showing that the immunity of a covid survivor who then takes vaccination > greater than a covid survivor who does not take vaccination.

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get up early and go surf - it'll make that hangover go away and/or make the workday more tolerable :)

I'm not taking your poison.......





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The REAL truth is....both of the forum idiots are OWNED.
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-They are both card carrying narcissists.
^These are PROVED facts.

That's your personal choice and none of my business! I was just discussing the information shared in the thread. I'm a data analyst for my work, so all of this is super interesting to me! It is very very concerning that there is so little dialog out there about the immunity that covid survivors have, so was nice to see some information, especially about the longevity of immunity now we are learning that the efficacy of vaccine drops around six months! thanks for sharing : )

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get up early and go surf - it'll make that hangover go away and/or make the workday more tolerable :)

Edited: 09/11/2021 at 07:01 PM by surferclimber

That is my personal choice?

POS Joe Biden just signed an executive order to take my 'right' away.


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The REAL truth is....both of the forum idiots are OWNED.
-BOTH of them have no clue who their owner is.
-They are both card carrying narcissists.
^These are PROVED facts.

Nobody's making snowflake Gary take anything. He just likes to cry.

His personal choice is his personal.choice.

It's also the choice of a business to not let his petri dish of a body through the front door.

Sit down.

Shut up.



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Hi. I'm Mike.

You now have MASS EXODUS of front line health care workers...front page news!

They are QUITTING by the THOUSANDS!

What you going to do now?

FUCKWAD!



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The REAL truth is....both of the forum idiots are OWNED.
-BOTH of them have no clue who their owner is.
-They are both card carrying narcissists.
^These are PROVED facts.

More hyperbole and outright lies.

Freaks & Dotards not getting the vaccine are a super minority.

Just like the Q-Crew, just like Dotards, these nutjobs can go away.

Their numbers are small but, like empty barrels, they make stupid noise.

Good riddance.

They needed to get those wackjobs out anyway. I'm sure management is glad to see them go. .. WTF are you doing working in a hospital unvaccinated during a wordlwide pandemic?? This cuts right through all the HR bullshit.

New hires on the way.

See ya Dotards!



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Hi. I'm Mike.

Poison huh? This from the guy that has a chocolate IV.