"What I saw a guy running down the aisle with a pistol with a laser on it," John Probst said on WLS-TV, a Chicago TV station.

Probst told the anchor that he recognized the shooter, a coworker of his. "He was shooting everybody," he said.



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“It is the heart of US policy to use fascism to preserve capitalism while claiming to be saving democracy from communism “ - Michael Parenti

This is a true national emergency and the precedent has been set.

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1 dead, 4 wounded is what just was reported, prob will change. reports confused for now, cause just read 4 were officers wounded, the dead guy the shooter. no word on civilians.

1670 died today from heart disease. much bigger issue

yup, 5 dead now as more details emerge

Does not mean you ignore the other glaring issue staring in the face of American's for god knows how long now. It'll be another 'thoughts and prayers' nausea fest.

FACT - more guns = more gun deaths. Despite the NRA's pro-slaughter agenda that has worked tirelessy to suppress firearm research, it is out there, and it's in arguable.

Time to enforce the 'well-regulated' part of 2A. It's killing our citizens and it's killing our police officers.




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didnt say anything about ignoring it, you assumed. point is, if we care about human life then we go after what kills the most people first. there are several things ahead of guns in that aspect. truth is that guns are emotional and political, not about what can save the most lives.

I disagree, 1,200 dead children is a very, very large problem.



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agree it is a problem. disagree with the priority in regards to saving the most lives

Yes, how do you regulate gluttony?



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sarcasm? completely ban smoking. completely ban high fructose corn syrup and other major contributors, force full transparency on food labels and restaurants, ban ultra processed foods, severely cap sugar and salt in food. further regulate food programs for the poor to ensure healthy choices. force schools to provide actual healthy lunches, adequate exercise during the day, and increase education on nutrition. mandate health insurance discounts for maintaining low body fat % and good fitness levels, offset with higher rates for being obese and out of shape without medical reason. legislate increases of funding for research. just a start

Edited: 02/16/2019 at 05:32 AM by RiddleMe

I didn't say anything about suicide.



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dont oversimplify. there is way more to it than choosing death by fork and spoon

lol

Just another day in the land of free fire.

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“It is the heart of US policy to use fascism to preserve capitalism while claiming to be saving democracy from communism “ - Michael Parenti

Six cops injured - hopefully none die. Our cops are tired of the NRA pro-slaughter agenda to. Makes their jobs 100x more dangerous. Look no further than Matthew Riehl - policies/law passed by the NRA, er I mean congress allow nuts like this to shoot and kill cops. Thus the NRA=cop killers and NRA=American citizen killers.

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QOP = Terrorists
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Again, guns do not kill people. People kill people.

Violence is way too prevalent in society. It cracks me up to watch the network news when they report on a "crime" but tell you that they cannot show the video because it is too graphic. Well, OK I sort of get it. But, then, the network's lead-off prime time show graphically shows some poor slob getting tore to bits-and-pieces, or what not, and that's "OK" because it's "acting".

Sure, I support better background checks and what-not. But the current state of our culture makes all of that moot as long as we let our kids play hours of extremely violent video games and such.

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Dora Hates You

You hit the nail on the head.

>>>. Like in many of the country's mass shootings, Friday's attack was carried out by a man with a violent criminal history who was armed with a gun he wasn't allowed to have.

Martin, 45, had six arrests over the years in Aurora, one of Chicago's far western suburbs, for what police Chief Kristen Ziman described as "traffic and domestic battery-related issues" and for violating an order of protection. He also had a 1995 felony conviction for aggravated assault in Mississippi that should have prevented him from buying his gun, Ziman said.

He was able to buy the Smith and Wesson .40-caliber handgun on March 11, 2014, because he was issued a firearm owner's identification card two months earlier after passing an initial background check. It wasn't until he applied for a concealed carry permit five days after buying the gun and went through a more rigorous background check that uses digital fingerprinting that his Mississippi conviction was flagged and his firearm owner's ID car was revoked, Ziman said. Once his card was revoked, he could no longer legally have a gun.

"Absolutely, he was not supposed to be in possession of a firearm," she said.

But he was, and on Friday he took it and several magazines of ammunition to work. <<<

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Dora Hates You

Trump said gun violence in his tweet, then went back and edited gun violence to school violence.

People aren't running around stabbing people, they are murdering them with weapons designed to kill with efficiency and precision.

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That's a false equivalency. One can be legislated, the other cannot. Both can be done at the same time. This is not an either/or type of thing.

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no false equivalency. many causal factors of heart disease can be legislated away.

Can't heart disease be hereditary?

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some congenital heart disease could be legislated away. funding r&d into stopping it in the womb or by preventing the gene from being passed to offspring, something like crispr. of course people get caught up in the scary moral dilemma of playing god. me, not so much, not superstitious. also r&d into using existing congenital cases via similar methods, organ replacement, etc. seems far fetched, but the tech is coming along nicely. ffs a working pancreas has been made, proper insulin secretion and everything. hearts and lungs and others will come too. forgot things like stem cell manipulation, drugs, and other potential treatments, many of them

Edited: 02/16/2019 at 05:32 AM by RiddleMe

Thoughts and prayer!

Same knuckleheads against Medicare for all want us all to pay for a freakin useless wall.

shooter was a convicted felon and was not allowed to own a firearm. background check missed it and was allowed to purchase. it was caught two days later and was told to surrender gun. did not happen and the shooting happened. thats the facts jack. proof that the system in place failed.

Edited: 02/17/2019 at 05:18 AM by RiddleMe

So let us make "the system" weaker or eliminate it all together. That is the ticket.

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seems the better course of action would be to fix the system

What system? The one we have sure as shit ain't working.



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of course it didnt work, duh. it is broken

We have to elect people who want to fix it.

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Chicago/Illinois, very strict gun control and Dumbocrap ruled!

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Romans 8;18-32 John 3;16-18

Except 20 yards away, no gun control. Are you this stupid or just pretending?


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20 yards from Illinois? That's a big area! Check out their regulations Einstein!

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Edited: 02/18/2019 at 07:21 AM by crankit

It's all explained right here in one simple graphic - https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/why-thieves-target-gun-stores

While Chicago has somewhat strict gun laws, areas immediately surrounding them do not. One simply needs to drive a few miles to an area with lax gun laws. It's not that difficult to understand.


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Yet, for some reason, they drive back to Illinois to commit the crimes. Why are the crimes worse in Illinois than in the states where the guns come from? Hypothesis: something about the people in and near Chicago.

Yes, the stats from nearby states are not that much better, but I posted data on this forum last year comparing violent crime in the (6?) states with the strictest gun control laws versus neighboring states where the laws were lax, and almost all were worse in the states with tighter laws.

A pertinent post. So, the gov't screwed up, which allowed this tragedy to go down. So, what to do? Ban gov't? You gun ban people can rail on about whatever all you want. But, so long as we have the 2nd Amendment, you are simply making noise. If you are serious about this, start a petition to repeal the Bill of Rights and we will see where Americans stand on that issue. Otherwise, you are wasting everyone's time.

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Yes, we should do NOTHING! That way we can keep allowing these people access so that they can continue to kill our police officers. NRA pro-slaughter agenda is directly responsible for killing cops.

#NRAcopkillers


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FK = Gay

Why do progs think they can get away with obvious lies? I specifically said what you need to do, didn't I? That's not "NOTHING."

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What you said was nonsense, and it was a waste of time.

The rational solution which regular non-MAGA folks support is strict enforcement of all existing gun laws, as well as an examination of what loopholes need to be address such as gun show and private purchases. There's nothing in 2A that says the state cannot restrict ownership of weapons.



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“It is the heart of US policy to use fascism to preserve capitalism while claiming to be saving democracy from communism “ - Michael Parenti

problem is that there is a already a large and vocal component that wants more than that. keeps us from getting anything real done due to polarization.

Doesn't sound too strict, the guy didn't steal his gun or purchase it on the street.

Current control is too lax, and the systems have too many gaps like the one this guy got through.
Thanks crank for supporting tighter control.


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“It is the heart of US policy to use fascism to preserve capitalism while claiming to be saving democracy from communism “ - Michael Parenti

No, the problem is extreme right wing (and left wing for that matter) do not want to see anything at all done.

The "large and vocal" component is the majority of people who respect firearms and want common sense regulation.

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“It is the heart of US policy to use fascism to preserve capitalism while claiming to be saving democracy from communism “ - Michael Parenti

i disagree. the right is dug in to the point they refuse to budge on anything because they are fearful of what the left will try to do. it isn't due to the sensible people on the left either, it is due to fear of the more radical

Edited: 02/18/2019 at 09:58 AM by RiddleMe