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Medpage Today has useful quotes from the CDC's expert. Winter Park member of Congress Stephanie Murphyalready convened a meeting of Orlando people--airport, tourism, medical, etc--to get started on preparation.
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Can't find the article right now but, a rsearcher at Harvard says that 40% to 70% of the world's population could get it! What's the world's inventory of body bags?
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And yet, our own acting deputy secretary of Homeland Security, Ken Cuccinelli, became frustrated when he couldn't access the Johns Hopkins Center for Systems Science and Engineering department's map showing the latest COVID-19 numbers and locations.

There is literally an ENTIRE FEDERAL AGENCY working for you that you could ask to provide you and all Americans with the latest information on the Coronavirus! Maybe we should cut the funding for the CDC... FFS...

https://www.yahoo.com/huffpost...rus-map-103720062.html
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Thank you pagerow that was pretty funny!

Is Brownie available? He might do better than Ken.

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The head of an Iranian government task force on the coronavirus who had urged the public not to overreact about its spread has tested positive for the illness himself, authorities said Tuesday, as new cases emanating from the country rapidly emerged across the Middle East.

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Hmmmm, , , , here in the USA and in most Euro countries and such, the health systems are in pretty good shape to deal with it. BUT, elsewhere in the BuFu world the current (rough) 2.7% death rate will probably expand and put a real hurt on certain places.

To have a little math fun:, , , ,

The world's population is 7,800,000,000. 40% of that is 3,120,000,000.

2.7% of 3,120,000,000 is, , , , , 84,240,000. !!!!

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    Cuccinelli was called "The Cooch" when he was in Virginia politics. The state is now controlled by Democrats. But that's for the Other Forum.
    The Coronavirus seems unlikely to be as bad as flu epidemics in the 1950s or 1960s. A lot of infections don't produce symptoms and most with symptoms are mild. The 1968 pandemic killed about 1 million worldwide and 100,000 in the US (1957 was a bit worse), but life went on pretty much as usual, to the extent that 1968 was a usual year with Martin Luther King and Robert Kennedy killed, the weird Democratic Convention, riots, war, whatever.
    As of now, we in the US aren't under immediate threat. But the sudden outbreak in Italy shows how that can change fast. Travel from China and South Korea has been curtailed.
    Harvard's expert who is predicting worldwide spread is Michael Mina.
    A friend in Madagascar who saw what a single tourist with measles did to the country (4,000 dead children) is very worried about what Coronavirus might do in poor African countries.


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Originally posted by: ww

    Cuccinelli was called "The Cooch" when he was in Virginia politics. The state is now controlled by Democrats. But that's for the Other Forum.


    The Coronavirus seems unlikely to be as bad as flu epidemics in the 1950s or 1960s. A lot of infections don't produce symptoms and most with symptoms are mild. The 1968 pandemic killed about 1 million worldwide and 100,000 in the US (1957 was a bit worse), but life went on pretty much as usual, to the extent that 1968 was a usual year with Martin Luther King and Robert Kennedy killed, the weird Democratic Convention, riots, war, whatever.


    As of now, we in the US aren't under immediate threat. But the sudden outbreak in Italy shows how that can change fast. Travel from China and South Korea has been curtailed.


    Harvard's expert who is predicting worldwide spread is Michael Mina.


    A friend in Madagascar who saw what a single tourist with measles did to the country (4,000 dead children) is very worried about what Coronavirus might do in poor African countries.


He likes to be called Hootchie Cootchie Cuccinelli.
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Trump stuck pretty much to script but seemed a bit too optimistic. It seems China did a good job of catching coronavirus cases. News story on a report from WHO at Stat
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It's already here - -
- - without travel or contact with a traveler.


CDC confirms first possible community transmission of coronavirus in US


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italy is on lock down now too according to a friend. apparently some people had coronavirus were at carnival north and traveled across entire country unaware. her university is shut down. japan closed all schools as well

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EDIT: Ooops! This is what happens when you sit up late doing taxes and then post. Considering that misteake (sic) was numeric, I guess I'd better go check the taxes too. Oh, and form 8889 instruction is finally available. Line 3 goes up $50, woot? Back to COVID19. The annual human death rate worldwide is about 1%, another 2%? Not nice certainly, but not exactly apocalyptic either. Compare to the annual birth rate which is about 2%.

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If this doesn't start the recession (the, not a...a correction has been coming) nothing will.

Also, human beings need a science trust level correction and this might do it. Tired of anti-vax BS.
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Clearly, the difficulty with this thing is its stealth.
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Fatality rates

No deaths occurred in those aged 9 years and younger, but cases in those aged 70 to 79 years had an 8% fatality rate and those aged 80 years and older had a fatality rate of 14.8%.

No deaths were reported among mild and severe cases. The fatality rate was 49% among critical cases, and elevated among those with preexisting conditions: 10.5% for people with cardiovascular disease, 7.3% for diabetes, 6.3% for chronic respiratory disease, 6% for hypertension, and 5.6% for cancer.
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not surprising given the severe cytokine storm it causes in compromised patients. resulting viral sepsis and severe pneumonia the killers
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the age factor and mortality difference. basically non existent in children under 9. some are suspecting this is due to mitochondrial function. children in major growth cycles have highly functional mitochondria. as we age and get older function decreases over time, how much dependent on your health, lifestyle, and genetics. potential supplemental protection/therapy could perhaps be something to increase function

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Originally posted by: ww

Medpage Today has useful quotes from the CDC's expert. Winter Park member of Congress Stephanie Murphyalready convened a meeting of Orlando people--airport, tourism, medical, etc--to get started on preparation.



Yesssssssss - -
- - let's get started on preparagion.



It's already a crisis - -
- - in the news media !!



CVS and Walgreens have empty shelves of 3M masks - -
- - even Home Depot limiting quantities if available at all.

Both eBay and Amazon prices - -
- - have SURGED. Panic in America.


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coworker in california went grocery shopping and half the people in his store shopping were wearing masks already. yeah, panic has begun

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    There's no reason to wear a mask unless you think you're infected (cold, flu, whatever).
    But hospitals, schools, airports, public transit systems and such need to dust off their pandemic plans (which they should have) and be ready. Very much as if a really bad flu year is impending
. [bulletIThere hasn't been much testing for the virus in the US due to a very limited supply of test kits and what was a reasonable belief that there wouldn't be any cases to be found in people who hadn't been in contact with infected persons. Now, there's more test kits and obviously more need to test.
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Pretty much yes, masks for the supposed "infected". Otherwise, I'm hearing and reading a lot about the need to "Wash Hands" because "touch" seems to be the major spreader.

My white count is "Critically Low" and, as such, I'm ready to go into "Lock Down" mode when needed. My pantry is good-to-go for a 3 or 4 month period. The VA has me on their list and has told me that if I get a fever (100) and/or otherwise feel the need, I'm to give them a notice call and go straight to an Emergency Department. I am not to take any OTC meds that would "mask" a fever.
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Good plan.
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i would say wearing masks are good for people with it and people that dont want to get it. think the bigger deal with it is complacency and false sense of security with them on in the healthy
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Brevard schools preparing coronavirus plan in case of possible outbreak


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Get ready for the rectal swab:
Fecal transmission may be behind coronavirus' rapid spread

Snippets from the article:

The novel coronavirus is shed in the feces of infected people, which may help explain why it's spread so fast, according to Chinese researchers. The finding of live virus particles in stool specimens indicates a fecal-oral route for coronavirus, which may be why it's caused outbreaks on cruise ships with an intensity often seen with gastro-causing norovirus, which also spreads along that pathway.


Rectal swabs can detect the pneumonia-causing virus in patients even when conventional oral tests are negative, doctors at the Wuhan Pulmonary Hospital in central China said in a study.


The coronaviruses that cause Covid-19 and SARS, or severe acute respiratory syndrome, bind to the same distinctly shaped protein receptors in the body that are expressed in the lungs and intestines, making these organs the primary targets for both viruses,


And the part I wish I hadn't read:

A virus-laden aerosol plume emanating from a SARS patient with diarrhea was implicated in possibly hundreds of cases at Hong Kong's Amoy Gardens housing complex in 2003.

That led the city's researchers to understand the importance of the virus's spread through the gastrointestinal tract, and to recognize both the limitation of face masks and importance of cleanliness and hygiene, according to John Nicholls, a clinical professor of pathology at the University of Hong Kong.

Squat latrines, common in China, lacking covers and hands that aren't washed thoroughly with soap and water after visiting the bathroom, could be a source of virus transmission, said Nicholls, who was part of the research team that isolated and characterized the SARS virus.


Can't say I'm looking forward to sitting on an airplane toilet or eating airplane food while traveling over spring break!
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Wash your damn hands people. Sing happy birthday, that's how long you should be washing with soap and the hottest water you can stand.

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If you don't want to be seen as weird singing happy birthday in a public restroom, try Old MacDonald had a Farm. When you get to the "had some" whatever kind of farm animal, make the animal noises pretty clearly. People will generally move away. Lessens chance of infection.

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I read that with the alcohol-based sanitizers like Purell, it can take 2-4 minutes of vigorous washing to kill most viruses on your hands. Viruses that exist in a petri dish by themselves are somewhat defenseless, but those wrapped in a moist mucus like sneeze spray, a wet cough, or a "virus-laden aerosol plume" expelled from your ass take much longer to kill.
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Hmmmm, , , , , We will see what happens in California for now as an example of what may come to Florida.

I'm not to concerned, for the time, about the Theme Parks being closed for a couple months and I don't have any kids to worry about when/if the schools also close. But, the hammer will really come down if businesses like L3Harris have to partially close down, , ,. "Recession" is a nasty word to use but, it may be coming, Big Time.

And, , , , , just to make things worse, , , , dogs have contracted it in Hong Kong!!

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The No. 1 way to prevent coronavirus isn't wearing a face mask
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CBS NewsFebruary 27, 2020, 8:37 PM EST

As fears over the is the best way to prevent the spread of infectious illnesses like coronavirus. That's because one of the most common ways infections spread is when people touch a contaminated surface and then touch their mouth or nose.

Wash your hands frequently and thoroughly. CBS News chief medical correspondent Dr. Jon LaPook points out that it's especially important to make sure that you scrub the soap into your fingertips because they are simultaneously the part of the hand most often neglected and the part of the hand most likely to touch your face and spread disease.

Soap and water is far more effective than hand sanitizer. If you're using an alcohol-based hand sanitizer, you should make sure that it contains at least 60% alcohol.

Beyond that, the CDC advises that, whenever possible, you should also avoid touching your eyes, nose and mouth with unwashed hands, avoid contact with sick people, cover your mouth when you cough and sneeze, and disinfect objects and surfaces frequently.
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In addition to the health hazard, pretty soon we should start seeing a shortage of a lot of electronic components, hardware, phones etc.

Japan has all of its schools closed until April. I guess their parents are either just leaving their kids at home or they are all working from home.
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And, , , , , CVS is saying that there could be a hand sanitizer shortage, , , ,
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Originally posted by: Sniper In addition to the health hazard, pretty soon we should start seeing a shortage of a lot of electronic components, hardware, phones etc. .
lol @ chicken little. you say that like its a bad thing. when life gives you corona, put a lyme in it !

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Then again, , , , I've read that this may be the new "normal" and that as such, we may end up with "Cold, Flu and COVID-19" seasons from here on!!!!
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Didn't someone say it's a hoax?
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Well, , , , it certainly MUST be SOMETHING and otherwise has to have been "contrived".

It is taking so much attention away from Trump, , , , , and, , , , the Dem primary candidates!!!!
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Needs a sexier name. For example, corona virus 229e is known as "The Cold". Now that's chilling.

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Originally posted by: tom

Needs a sexier name.


Kung Flu? And all the doctors are Kung Flu Fighting?
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Joe wins!!!!!!
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The second case of coronavirus in Washington State is a teenager who went to be tested for flu, and was unaware that he was also being tested for the novel coronavirus. Genetic similarities to the first case in Washington suggest that 150-1,500 more people may have been infected. Of course no other cases have been detected so far, but there hasn't been much testing. (NY Times, Sunday morning).
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2 florida deaths, lee and santa rosa
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Please, please, explain to me why any sane person would go on a cruise right now, given the current state-of-afairs?

>>>. Among the 2,400 passengers stranded off the California coast on a cruise ship carrying at least 21 people infected with coronavirus, few people aboard likely have more to lose than Kari Kolstoe, a retiree from North Dakota with stage-4 cancer.

Kolstoe, 60, said she and her husband, Paul, 61, had looked forward to the Grand Princess cruise to Hawaii as a brief, badly needed respite from the grind of medical intervention she has endured for the past 18 months. <<<

This woman is now upset about missing next week's chemo, , , , ,!!!???!!!

What's more: "We've not yet seen an epidemic or pandemic in our lifetimes of this size and scope," said Becca Bartles, the executive director of infectious disease prevention at Providence St. Joseph Health System. "We're gearing up for something extremely significant."

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There is a blog from a 25 year old in China that went through the sickness and I do NOT want to catch this thing. It sounds like getting on a bus while you have a bad case of the flu and the bus hits a wall. Nope!
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In the US, it's getting down to questions of whether closing schools is really a good idea (lots of parents can't look after kids during school hours) and how to get people to self-isolate. The Italian shutdown probably isn't possible here.
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closing schools would be more important to slow spread among parents than protecting kids. this virus hardly effects them for the most part
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But, , , , , the kids do get it and can pass-it-on just as easily as anyone else. Problem being is that the parents will go to work and the grand parents will watch the kids!!! "Grandpa got sick and died!"

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Originally posted by: RegularJoe
Originally posted by: tom Needs a sexier name.
Kung Flu? And all the doctors are Kung Flu Fighting?
hahaha. this +1
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Two cases in Florida: Sarasota (Doctors Hospital) and Hillsborough County. People who were in contact with the patients are being tested. The governor has declared an emergency. The CDC is having trouble with testing, so the US is slow to do it on a large scale.
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coworker from another office was in italy got sick fri, flu like symptoms all week, and out today. worse, he was at the dc working all last week after getting back.
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"Kung Flu" for the win! ""Legend tells of a legendary warrior whose kung fu skills were the stuff of legend." - Kung Fu Panda.

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Originally posted by: tom



Needs a sexier name.




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Sanitizer, soap and towels in rest rooms...all gone.

Why did you people not wash or clean your hands before all this started?
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Riddle,

No, not really.

The current, nominal, death rate from our "flu" is only .1%. Out of 1000 cases, only 1 person is "expected" to die.

Now, this COVID-19 is a different animal. It has really only started and, as such, a lot of its "numbers" will be revised but, it is currently projected that its "nominal" death rate is 3.4%. Out 1000 cases, 34 people are "expected" to die. Lots, lots, lots, worse that the "flu" (340% more!). Who in your neighborhood do you want to do without?
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Originally posted by: dingpatch Riddle, No, not really. The current, nominal, death rate from our "flu" is only .1%. Out of 1000 cases, only 1 person is "expected" to die. Now, this COVID-19 is a different animal. It has really only started and, as such, a lot of its "numbers" will be revised but, it is currently projected that its "nominal" death rate is 3.4%. Out 1000 cases, 34 people are "expected" to die. Lots, lots, lots, worse that the "flu" (340% more!). Who in your neighborhood do you want to do without?
point of my post wasn't a dick measuring contest between viruses ding, lol
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Riddle, yes, I understand but, any "mention" of the flu at this point only feeds into the "COVID-19 is No Big Deal" problem, , , , as those in DC seem to want!!

At this time everything might "work out" with "minimal" total effects. BUT, we could be seeing Only The Tip Of The Iceberg and everything could begin to get TERRIBLE soon.

I'm pretty sure that I'd have to say "Fuck the DOW" and fuck the immediate ideas of "helping" big business right now! WE MUST rapidly increase the funding of the CDC and NIH.!!!!

Take a good look at the reports coming out of Italy this morning. Welcome to Thunder Dome!!!

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Originally posted by: dingpatch Riddle, yes, I understand but, any "mention" of the flu at this point only feeds into the "COVID-19 is No Big Deal" problem, , , , as those in DC seem to want!!
i understand your point. as someone who had a family member die from the flu, my point is simply that it shouldn't be ignored because of the new kid on the block. people are doing that, i know first hand
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And above all else, remember...



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    The "hoax" stuff belongs in the Other Forum.
    The lack of testing in the US is due to fussy FDA requirements combined, it seems, with CDC having problems with assembling and distributing test kits. That's being addressed, but valuable time has been lost. Chinese statistics on the epidemic are probably pretty good. Our appearance of having only a few cases may be a matter of lack of testing, though if it were widespread in the US, more people with obvious symptoms would be showing up. Best guess seems to be that we don't have too many cases. The new case in Washington State has died.
    The NY Times reports that caregivers for the elderly in Japan are doing everything they can to keep the virus away. Twenty nine percent of the Japanese population is over 65. The virus is a huge risk for the country.
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At least by the time we are all getting it quarantine facilities will all be over run so you can stay home.

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we dont want any tampa surfers coming over
no crossing county lines


no waves here anyway
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If any of those quarantines in Italy, Japan, South Korea, and China start popping up here, there is a decent chance I would rather die than sit in my house all day for a week or two.

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It's been here for awhile. Our health system is just late to the party.
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    Anne Applebaum, an opinion writer and expert on Communists and Nazis, is in Bologna, close to the Italian coronavirus outbreak. She has an article in The Atlantic. A short but important quote:
    Italy has already tested many thousands of people for the virus - testing is free, of course - which is one of the reasons the numbers are so much higher there than elsewhere. People know this, and repeat it to one another, sometimes joking about it ("We Italians are too honest") but it is a source of pride. Few others in Europe, so far, are testing that widely. And, of course, the U.S. is not doing anything of the sort.
    The United States will finally begin large-scale testing this week.


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A cousin in SEA is sending me pics of empty shelves (mainly water, toilet paper and can goods). He is from the East Coast and has been through many canes, he says it is the same panic buying as if a Cat 3 was coming up the coast. Anyone getting the itch to start hoarding Hurricane style?
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Originally posted by: SurferMic A cousin in SEA is sending me pics of empty shelves (mainly water, toilet paper and can goods). He is from the East Coast and has been through many canes, he says it is the same panic buying as if a Cat 3 was coming up the coast. Anyone getting the itch to start hoarding Hurricane style?
not really. i dont hoard over seasonal flu, not hoarding over this. maybe if i was old, in poor health, and planned on not leaving the house for the next 6 months
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https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6

The growth curves are starting to flatten but that doesn't mean they will stay that way. And of course if they don't ever trend down it's not over anyway.
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Originally posted by: TeeBirdForever The growth curves are starting to flatten but that doesn't mean they will stay that way. And of course if they don't ever trend down it's not over anyway.
flattening out for mainland china yeah. not the rest of the world
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Originally posted by: TeeBirdForever
The growth curves are starting to flatten but that doesn't mean they will stay that way. And of course if they don't ever trend down it's not over anyway.


flattening out for mainland china yeah. not the rest of the world


True; that was premature. And I suppose it could hem and haw. Contained here, but gets out there, etc.
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New modeling from The Australian National University (ANU) looks at seven scenarios of how the current outbreak may impact the world's wealth, ranging from low-severity to high-severity.

In the low-severity model - or best-case scenario - ANU researchers estimate a global GDP loss of $2.4 trillion, with an estimated death toll of 15 million.


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Keep an eye on your vegan friends but watch them from afar. If you don't have any then find a way to meet a few and ask them if it is okay if you keep an eye on them. They are the canaries in the coal mine. Anytime an illness sweeps through a large office building, vegans start dropping like flies well in advance of anyone else. When I worked in a large office setting, I watched the vegan and vegetarian kids like a hawk. I explained why I was doing it and they understood because they knew that the lack of meat had left their bodies with a feeble immune system and frame. As soon as one started coughing, I was on high alert. If one threw up or shit their pants, I grabbed my belongings and sprinted to my car.
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dunno, vegans these days tend to be better informed about dietary needs than they used to. part of their problem was nutrient deficiency caused by diet and ignorance of their body's requirements. most have learned that there are complete proteins and sources of other nutrients to replace the missing essentials and dont have the issue you describe
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Poor, frail little vegans... https://www.espn.com/blog/tenn...h-15-players-converted

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Poor, frail little vegans... [IMG][/IMG] https://www.espn.com/blog/tenn...h-15-players-converted


I know It's damn shame. Just think of what they could have done if they had the proper amount of meat in their diet. They didn't do badly this year, considering they were probably playing sick all the time and their bodies were probably trying to digest themselves for most of the season.

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bunch of vegan jello wrasslers, it's all a show for teevee... https://www.mensjournal.com/sp...-ufc-fighters-w199323/

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bunch of vegan jello wrasslers, it's all a show for teevee... https://www.mensjournal.com/sp...-ufc-fighters-w199323/


This is brilliant! Everyone knows that nobody wants to have a sick person's blood, sweat, and spit all over them. Gross! They are trying to mind-f the competition!
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And of course those surfer bums... https://sbsboards.com/why-are-...o-surfers-going-vegan/

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If you are or want to go vegan, good for you. I admire your devotion and will. Why does anyone care what someone else eats?


Does eating a big bloody steak make you more of a man? Or just a dumb ass with clogged arteries and shorter lifespan?
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Originally posted by: Cole

Why does anyone care what someone else eats?



the same reason that they care if you are wearing a 3/2 full suit and
they are wearing boardshorts and a vest


yes they are much more of a 'man' for eating a big bloody steak and only wearing a vest

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On a more serious note, I don't know if I've ever heard of a virus where you either hardly know you have it or you die. I guess there have to be some people in the middle but you don't hear anyone talking about them much.
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I'd like to see Sniper in a surf-off with Lawless, who has been vegan since age 13, haha.
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Regarding plant-based diets: The movie Game Changers is worth watching.
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Here's at least one graphic on that. Accuracy? Who knows.



Edit: Oh, it's from the WHO, so has at least some cred.

The concept of a bifurcation seems relevant here.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bifurcation_theory

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University of Washington (50,000 students) is shutting down in-person classes and adapting to online as best it can. Several recent articles pointed out that to be effective, school closings must be done in the early stages of an epidemic. That includes careful studies after the 1918 flu epidemic. If the epidemic turns out to be a dud, going back to normal is relatively easy. Me? Went to the theater tonight. Big crowd.
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Yes, my concern is not for myself. It is for the vulnerable, especially the ones in my family.
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Thank you teebird! The GOP dopes are crying that the media made this up and we shouldn't be spending so much money. That is some serious bull$hit. People are dying and I have parents that are up there in age. Let's blow some cash on this and be careful.

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I meet a lot of people who are VERY concerned about this shit spreading to their families but, I also meet a lot of people who very are upset about how all of this is just about "the flu"!!!!. It may not be somuch about them be "uniformed" but rather, how much this could impact their own, very important and very special, daily lives.

Cruise ships? No. Sorry but they all should be docked.

School trips? No. You must be out of your mind.

Etc., etc., etc.,, , , , ,!
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I'm thinking that while I'm at chemo today the VA will tell me to start wearing a mask; my Whaite Count is still critically low.
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i know this is a big deal, but people need to take flu as serious as they are taking this
COVID-19: Approximately 3,995 deaths reported worldwide; 22 deaths in the U.S., as of Mar. 9, 2020
vs flu
Flu: 291,000 to 646,000 deaths worldwide; 12,000 to 61,000 deaths in the U.S. per year.
people get complacent with the flu. many never even get their flu shots. complacency causing numerous preventable deaths. the new kid on the block is more scary
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Medpage Today has a gloomy scenario for the US
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Florida reports 28 cases.

1000 cases in the U.S.A. with 30 reported deaths!!!

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VOLUSIA COUNTY, Fla. - Volusia County Schools are seeing how feasible it would be to have their students take all their classes online, in case they have to shut down schools because of coronavirus infections.

With coronavirus, Volusia school district considers putting classes online
School officials trying to gauge if students have means to do so
Waiting to receive more completed surveys before making decision
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The NCAA March Madness will be played with no fans
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The VA has started screening all persons wanting to walk through the doors. A short health questionnaire and they take your temperatue.
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They need to start testing everyone who will allow it.
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New COVID-19 Procedures Across the OVAHCS

All Orlando VA Healthcare System facilities are fully operational.

We know some of you may be concerned about the spread of COVID-19 (the new
coronavirus) in Florida and how it is impacting the Orlando VA Healthcare System.
Ensuring our Veterans remain safe and uninfected is one of our top priorities. The
Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) and VA have recommended a variety
of enhanced steps that we are implementing to help further reduce the spread of the
virus on our campuses.


In an abundance of caution for the safety of our staff and patients - and in accordance
with national VA guidance - we will begin enhanced screening of all employees, patients
and visitors. Effective March 10, 2020, the following measures are being implemented
by location. This daily screening will comprise of a temperature check and completion of
a short questionnaire.


In addition to the entrance questionnaire, access to each site of care will be limited as
listed below:


Orlando VA Medical Center


All pedestrian traffic to the main medical center building will be routed to:

Back Lobby/South Entrance
East Garage Entrance on 1st Floor only
West Garage entrance on 1st Floor only
Note: During weekends, holidays, evenings and nights, the only entrance to be used will
be Back Lobby/South Entrance.
Visiting Hours will be limited to 6 a.m. - 6 p.m. or at the discretion of the clinical care
team and must be communicated with those at the screening checkpoints.
Those arriving on Buses or VTS should be screened prior to getting on bus and have a
wrist band based on day of week.

Orlando VA Medical Center Community Living Center

All VA nursing homes are adopting a no visitor stance meaning no outside visitors will be
allowed to visit residents.
The only exceptions will be in compassionate care cases when Veterans are in the final
last stages of life. In the cases, visitors will be limited to a specific Veteran's room only.
No pets are allowed at the CLC.

Orlando VA Medical Center Domiciliary

The Front Entrance will be the only access point.

Daytona Beach VA Multispecialty Outpatient Clinic, PRRC, Westside Pavilion

The Front Entrances will be the only access point.

Viera VA Health Care Center

The Front Entrance will be the only access point.

Lake Baldwin VA Medical Center

Building 500 - Decreased entrance points.
Building 504 - Decreased entrance points.
Trailers - limit to one entrance.

Lake Baldwin VA Medical Center Domiciliary

The Front Entrance will be the only access point.

Crossroads

The Front Entrance will be the only access point.

Kissimmee, Clermont, Deltona, and Tavares VA CBOCs

The Front Entrances will be the only access point.

Other ways you can help protect yourselves and your loved ones:

If you are experiencing COVID-19 (Coronavirus), flu or cold symptoms- Please use the
available VA Virtual Care options- VA Video Connect or the 24/7 VISN 8 Clinical Contact
Center (1-877-741-3400).
Practice proper hand washing hygiene. Wash your hands for a minimum of 20 seconds or
with an alcohol-based hand sanitizer that contains at least 60% alcohol. Cover your
mouth and nose with a tissue when coughing or sneezing.


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No worries. Our savior is almost here. http://www.businessinsider.com...3IH3YeJm862arxBkjZOg4w
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No worries. Our savior is almost here. http://www.businessinsider.com...3IH3YeJm862arxBkjZOg4w


Yeah that wet behind the ears silver spoon mouthed daddy's boy is going to save the country. Ridiculous...

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ALL UF CLASSES GOING ONLINE STARTING NEXT WEEK.

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Tom Hanks has it. I blame Jenny. She's the f'ing worst.
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    All Florida public university classes going online. So much for labs.
    Princess Cruises (the one with two ships with outbreaks) is shutting down for two months.
    It's too early to predict the course of the epidemic this morning. An email from the Washington Post includes a suggestion that "Everyone over 60 should become a hermit for a month," Scott Gottlieb, former commissioner of the Food and Drug Administration, texted me. In China, 22 percent of Chinese patients over age 80 have died, according to WHO figures.
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Originally posted by: Sniper Tom Hanks has it. I blame Jenny. She's the f'ing worst.
f*ck jennay
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Originally posted by: Sniper

Tom Hanks has it. I blame Jenny. She's the f'ing worst.




hahaha

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Disneyland is closing through March. No word from Disney about Disney World. Erratic closings elsewhere. The air travel ban seems more or less useless. The virus is already here.
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Just as I posted that, an email came from the Orlando Sentinel. Disney World is closing for two weeks. Yesterday afternoon, I arrived at Orlando airport with a planeload of British citizens mostly going to see the Mouse.
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The mouse is aware, and does not care.

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as of yesterday less than 500 people have been tested in state. crazy. so much for tests being there
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Local concerts starting to be cancelled.
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Spring Break Plans? Costa with the kids?

A message from BREVARD COUNTY PUBLIC SCHOOLS

Brevard Public Schools will follow this direction today from the Florida health and education departments:

Any students, faculty or staff who go on a cruise, anywhere, must self-isolate for 14 days upon return.

Any students, faculty or staff who go on foreign travel, to any country, must self-isolate for 14 days upon return.

See the BPS homepage for continuous updates.

This e-mail has been sent to you by BREVARD COUNTY PUBLIC SCHOOLS.


They didn't mention anything about how absence from school would be made up, or alterations to the FA (Fail from too many absences) policy.
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Oh to be a kid again

Relatively good-to-great immunity and 2-week long Spring Breaks

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I just went to London (really cheap ticket) and figured it was a safer place to go than Seattle.
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don't count on it . The UK government has decided not to follow WHO advice. I guess we'll see who is right when this is all done and dusted.

My partner's company made their own decision and have gone on fully remote as of Monday.It wasn't easy for the company to do this - they had to check internet connectivity and distribute laptops (which they had to buy) for all junior programmers. But the company will keep running regardless.

The colleges on the other hand, are sending students home, but are making the administrators still meet in person - how does it make sense to have all leaders of an organization exposed to one another, particularly when they tend to be in the high risk group?).

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The London theaters are still operating. I don't know for how much longer. The difference between London and Paris doesn't make sense. So I'm hiding.
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Originally posted by: ww So I'm hiding.
Come on now dubdub. They say that IF you can stare it in the eye, .......you might have a chance!

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Originally posted by: moody

The UK government has decided not to follow WHO advice. I guess we'll see who is right when this is all done and dusted.


The UK abandoned its coronavirus plan after realizing it would have resulted in 'hundreds of thousands of deaths'

Prime Minister Boris Johnson on Monday was forced to abandon that strategy and adopt more draconian measures meant to suppress the disease.

The shift came after new data on the spread of COVID-19 in Italy suggested that merely attempting to mitigate the disease would "likely result in hundreds of thousands of deaths and health systems (most notably intensive care units) being overwhelmed many times over."

"Perhaps our most significant conclusion is that mitigation is unlikely to be feasible without emergency surge capacity limits of the UK and US healthcare systems being exceeded many times over," the report said.
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Boris, aka Trump junior screwed something up? Imagine that.
 03/17/2020 06:21 PM
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    This is the publication from Imperial College London that scared Boris Johnson and, it seems, the White House, into getting really serious today.
    And sure enough, from the National Theatre in London:
    Following the latest government advice about Coronavirus, the National Theatre building is now closed to the public.
    It's with enormous sadness that we temporarily close our doors, but the safety of our audiences, company and staff is of utmost importance. We apologise for the disruption and thank you for your support during this period of great uncertainty.
    Today (Tuesday 17 March), we will be in contact with ticket holders for the cancelled performances (currently from 16 March - 12 April). If the closure period is extended, we will be in touch with bookers for future performances in good time, and we'll also post updates to our website and social media channels.


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Originally posted by: Pagerow

Originally posted by: moody



The UK government has decided not to follow WHO advice. I guess we'll see who is right when this is all done and dusted.




The UK abandoned its coronavirus plan after realizing it would have resulted in 'hundreds of thousands of deaths'



Prime Minister Boris Johnson on Monday was forced to abandon that strategy and adopt more draconian measures meant to suppress the disease.



The shift came after new data on the spread of COVID-19 in Italy suggested that merely attempting to mitigate the disease would "likely result in hundreds of thousands of deaths and health systems (most notably intensive care units) being overwhelmed many times over."



"Perhaps our most significant conclusion is that mitigation is unlikely to be feasible without emergency surge capacity limits of the UK and US healthcare systems being exceeded many times over," the report said.



Yes, I saw that they have new guidance out. Gearing up the plants as well for a wartime effort to produce respirators - that will be interesting. Apparently Boris thinks he's the new Churchill. OTOH, at least my friends are posting their test results (aka they can GET tested).


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Life is like a box of Coronavirus. You never know when you're going to get it!
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