Sheesh. Everybody please chill ? https://www.news4jax.com/news/...on-jacksonville-beach/

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@ stokedpanda - what in the name of barney fife-florida man - is goin on up Jax beach

Edited: 05/20/2023 at 12:44 PM by StirfryMcflurry

Dang, that is too much.
Could have ended much worse.

Conflict avoidance and de-escalation is a good life skill.
Just sayin'.


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Edited: 05/20/2023 at 06:41 AM by Bamboo

Sounds like Seb Inlet back when Jack Forte owned the Crow's Nest. He sold huge pyramid sinkers for the fishermen to lob at the surfers. It was a war zone for a while.

That crazy Shit went on sporadically even into the 80s . I got hooked twice , once on a finger and the other time in the forearm . Not condoning their behavior , but to be fair , the inlet was a Fish Camp WAY back in the 1930s ---so they were indeed the true locals and we surfers were very late to the party .https://streamline.imgix.net/22adde7d-09c0-4ce9-8cd1-351991e75e66/1485d082-98e7-4bea-8611-8067de585c3c/SID%20Archives%20-%201940%20November%2015%20-%20Melbourne%20Times%20Newpaper%20Ad-%20Sebastian%20Inlet%20Fishing%20Camp.jpg?ixlib=rb-1.1.0&w=2000&h=2000&fit=max&or=0&s=68d24acbfdcc9e090076d220eeb3d69e

True. Jack Forte got screwed when the State took over. He sued and sued, but lost and became a sympathetic character. Remember his "Baby Rattles" cage? My friends and I were camping down there in 1970 the week before school started back up. A huge storm came through and tore down our tent, so we broke into one of the cabins on the dunes to sleep. (No vandalism or anything, except the broken lock.) Cool setup back then.

The only time you'll ever need a gun for surfing FL waves

The pussification of America. I'll get my gun!



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The level of assclown you need to be to feel the need to "carry" while SURF FISHING is just incomprehensible to me!!

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It's alwasy the guy thats scared to actaully fight that gets his gun out.....and he's surf casting righ in front of the pier where everyone surfs- a true moron

No charges filed. If the guy disarmed him, then beat him to death on the beach, would he be charged?

Can you stand stand your ground? The surfer was most certainly in fear of his life.

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I think everybody has a fisherman story or two. I was at Playalinda #1 one morning surfing by myself. Some guys fishing were right at the steps and the drift and lefts kept pushing me down into them. I'd paddle away but they were not happy and were shouting at me etc. I lost my board (I like to surf without leash) and it washed most of the way in and they ran down like they were going to grab it. I swam hard and picked it up 20 yards off the beach, they were yelling that I should come on in and then bla bla bla. About that time about 5 or 6 other guys came down the steps and paddled out right where I was. Never so glad to see an instant crowd in my life, if half a dozen guys can be a crowd.

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I have to ask 'cause so far no one has told me a good enough reason.

Why do the fishermen set up right on the break?
Is it because they want their lines to float down into the channel between breaks?
I would think setting up in the channel would be better, but I also don't know how far the lines go.

I asked a buddy of mine who sometimes beach fishes and he said, "the same reason you want to surf on the break". I thought that was a pretty stupid answer because it isn't the same reason at all. Why would the fishermen care where it is breaking, the fish don't stay in the break.

From what I can tell on the video, the surfer walked a significant way to confront the guy, if he indeed punched him in the face, no that is not stand your ground. It's being the aggressor.



Wasn't it established on 2ndL that, that makes you a terrible person?

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Edited: 05/23/2023 at 06:39 AM by worksuxgetsponsered

George went after Travon. George started losing to Travon. George shot Travon and killed him.

If I say something to someone without touching them and they attack me with a weapon, when does it switch? Now I am the one in mortal danger and can stand my ground, right? Or does it only apply to the guy with the gun?



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Video made it look like the fisherman was casting diagonal in the direction of surfers that weren't even directly in front of him. Fisher reminded me of the guy that shot someone outside a convenience store in clearwater. Guy carrying takes his carrying as license to be aggressive with the knowledge that if shit goes sideways he just whips out his gun. This is why in the not too distant past carrying was limited to trained officials or people that demonstrated real need and training.

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"Or does it only apply to the guy with the gun?" I'm not sure, but the scenario that really frosts me is -

A guy cuts in front of me in a line. I think he just doesn't know he did it, so I tap him on the shoulder (assault?) and tell him there is a line. so he whips his gun out and blasts away. He then tells the cop, "He assaulted him and I feared for my life." To make matters worse, FL law was recently revised. The State's Attorney has to prove he didn't fear for his life. It used to be the shooter had to prove he did. Big, big difference. He probably gets off. Florida has gone nuts.

i expect an increase of these type incidents here in the gunshine state

I figured this was destine for NSR when I started it, But it did last longer than expected. And I think scombrid got it right: "Guy carrying takes his carrying as license to be aggressive..."

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It appears the fisherman pulling out his concealed lcp defused the situation. The moron surfer that punched him in the nose would have kept swinging but quickly realized he fcked around and found out. You walk up and sucker punch someone or attempt to do so your asking to get shot.. Not sure what the fuss is about. The fisherman is in the right

because ....he couldn't leave his gun at home? tell us more.

Why even fish there, if it is a place that you feel like you would need to pack a gun?

If you watch the long clip, you can see the fisherman cast toward to group in the water. And there is no mention of a punch by the gunman. Unfortunately, the video is too distant to see detail.

I wonder if someone was looking to settle a score.

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The article I read quotes him as saying the guy punched him and the cops said it was apparent that he had been punched.

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Yes, that is what the law states and yes, that is crazy. We had a couple of guys parading up and down Ocean Ave with their Don't Tread on Me flag, a couple of ARs and a beat to crap fishing rod. They went east, west, east again and, when stopped by the cops said, "We are going fishing". The cops had to back off. These types of a-holes give honest sportsmen a bad name. The NRA and the GQP back these sociopaths.

I have had many run ins with fisherman in my surfing voyages. I've been hooked, I've had lead egg sinkers tossed at me, I've been followed all the way up the beach to my vehicle by guys who think they own the ocean. The best way to handle it is by ignoring and paddle/walk away but that doesn't always work, in fact it hardly works. The aggressor is still pissed and typically wants more chaos. The funniest part about you all hating on the fisherman pulling his firearm is.... Ready..? the surfer took off quickly before the cops arrived because he knows he assaulted the fisherman, the fisherman stayed because he knows he was within his rights (stand your ground law) StirfryMcflurry I suggest you stay inside on your computer in fairyland if you are that uncomfortable being around someone with a concealed carry license that's prepared to protect themselves in the real world. He defused the situation by simply pulling out his permitted firearm, he didn't fire a single shot and the surfer learned a lesson. It happens every single day around the globe. The fisherman is clearly calm and collected while pulling it and didn't attempt to press charges on the swing (assault) because he could have if witnesses saw. Obviously the smart move would have been to not pull his lcp and try to talk with the surfer but as soon as the surfer closes distance on the fisherman face to face he has no other choice. Don't come running up in someone's face aggressively you don't know or else things can turn sideways quickly no matter the situation. People are unpredictable there is no telling what happens if he doesn't pull his lcp. I know the majority of you complaining about this aren't from the state of FL and yall are soft as charmin toilet paper

I hear you. I don't necessarily agree but to each his own. My first comment was a scoff at that spot, which I will avoid for this and other reasons among which are Jax locals (in general), Florida Man, F-150 cowboys, open carry, & meth-heads, . For now it's still easy for me to surf / fish at a beach where that's not likely to happen.

Why does the surfer have a duty to retreat from assault by the fisherman but the fisherman doesn't have a duty to retreat from the surfer's retaliation? Maybe the surfer should do like the fisherman and use a gun to stop the initial assault. That certainly seems to be your position. Throw projectiles at unarmed people and it they retaliate then you are justified to pull a gun on them.

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Edited: 06/04/2023 at 06:02 AM by scombrid

Not just pull a gun, but they can then shoot you. This state, the state I was born in 67 years ago and in which have lived my whole life, has gone bat shit crazy.

The fisherman committed assault first. Maybe he is lucky nobody has "stood their ground" at him.

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I'm no fisherman but, I think its basically that the fish chill\hang at the sandbars for both breeding and feeding purposes? And then the surfers.. We too are looking for the sandbar to make the wave have a defined \ catchable peak! The real and only question usually is "Who was there first" then it is up to the other to show human respect\kindness\mindfulness to the other. (I think?) lol

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That is true, fish congregate along the bars and rocks, and shadows, etc. the same types of beach features that are also favorable to surfing. But I'm willing to bet at least half of of these shore fishermen don't really know what they're doing, just like the surfing kooks, and just go where they see everybody else is at.

Well, that part I believe....I swear half the fishermen just set up at the end of the walkway to the beach.

which is totally fine by me, I can walk. I just get frustrated when it seems like every thing breaking within walking distance already has a fisherman set up on it. It's hard to do the first-come-first-serve respect on those days.

There are many fine reasons that I'm a terrible person (ask my wife). The whole "old guy without leash" thing would be the least among them. edit: forgot to say kinda fun this morning, check it

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Edited: 05/23/2023 at 08:35 AM by tom

The "Stand Your Ground" laws are SERIOUSLY fucked up!! In the overwhelming % of cases, where I have seen the "law" used, the person doing the shooting could just easily ...... WALK THE FUCK AWAY!!!


BTW .... anyone that has spent any amount of time at the Jax Bch Pier (I have spent a LOT of time there) has seen these types of confrontations on the somewhat regular ...... minus the gun.

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Edited: 05/24/2023 at 01:04 PM by LBLarry

this what happens
culture change needed


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Sssssooooo .... I made some inquiries with my old JBX crew and the firsthand report was that the Fisherman assclown was being at total dick. Repeatedly casting diagonally down the beach, into a group of surfers that were about 100 feet away from the pier Dude deserved to get his ass kicked.



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"Morality is doing what is right, regardless of what you are told. Religion is doing what you are told, regardless of what is right.


If I do not answer you .... nothing personal, I just have you on ignore.

Cool opinion from your informed "crew", go attempt to kick his azz and see what happens lmao you libtards don't learn do you?

My baby's momma's cousin's neighbor told me....

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LMAO stopped reading at "libtards" avoiding folks like you & jax pier is easier, for now

It took longer than usual, but, it was inevitable - the usual dipsticks weigh in.

the beauty of the "Ignore User" feature of this forum is that you do not see posts from assclowns.

For the record, my information on what happened with the surfer & the fisherman was from several friends that I have known for decades, trust explicitly and WERE IN THE GROUP OF SURFERS IN THE WATER. I lived in JBX for about 25 years.

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Edited: 05/31/2023 at 05:51 PM by LBLarry

From the vid, it did look like the fisherman was casting diagonally at the surfers. I wouldn't be surprised if his name was Gary. Unclear about who was there first, which only matters a little bit in the big picture.

Big question is whether the surfer actually threw a punch after confronting the fisherman. Can anyone confirm if he did?

FL law regarding imminent threat and use of excessive force changed a bit in 2014 from what we collectively understood before then, so there could possibly still be charges filed against the fisherman if the surfer came forward with a good story. Fists alone are not generally considered "deadly force," and it's pretty obvious a surfer coming out of the water in a full wetsuit is not in possession of any other weapon that could cause great bodily harm.

There's a lot of nuance and wiggle room (and surprising restrictions) in the laws as written, so a lot depends on whether the cops want to charge, DA wants to prosecute, and if so, what kinds of lawyers and juries are involved. Once someone is approached out of the blue and then punched, that usually has a big impact on how the legal process unfolds (or doesn't).

The FL CWP training course is a good place to start, but anyone who took the CWP training before 2014 should take a refresher. The "Florida Firearms" book by Jon H. Gutmacher is a really good reference, but make sure you've got the latest edition.

I'm surprised JB hasn't commented on this yet; I'm sure he would have some good insights once all the facts are known.

Lot's of people know ,,,,, see below.




JBPD is not pursuing the case. Fisherman assclown didn't want to pursue it further. Other surfers said they didn't know who the surfer in question was (they lied and JBPD knew it and didn't care). Some witnesses on the beach said that they didn't know who the surfer was (they lied and the JBPD knew it and didn't care)

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Edited: 06/01/2023 at 11:57 AM by LBLarry

@LBL, Just to be clear, by "JB" I was referring to forum member JohnnyBoy (not "Jax Beach") who has some deeper knowledge of weapons laws than the average poster here.

and by "once the facts are known," I meant known to those reading this thread, not just the Jax locals.

I haven't seen a confirmation of whether a punch was actually thrown and landed, and was hoping since you had talked to first-hand witnesses, you might inform us.

And by following up with possible charges, what I was getting at is the surfer could potentially ask for charges to be filed against the fisherman even if the police initially declined, especially if the surfer didn't actually throw a punch, exhibit a deadly weapon, or show some kind of behavior that a reasonable person could believe would cause imminent and severe bodily harm or death (intent and means to follow it up).

So, if you've got that info, please throw us a bone and let us in on the secret.


Edited: 06/01/2023 at 02:19 PM by CurtisEflush

@CurtisEflush, I understood what/who you meant by "JB"

Sorry but you get no further information from me, on a public forum.

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Is chucking a three ounce pyramid sinker at someone an act of aggression?

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I have resisted because this is the type crazy shit I deal with all the time. I have a safe that is too full to put another gun in and all of them are from people who were arrested with them. I am happy the fisherman didn't kill this guy. There is definitely an east case fl be made for the surfer because a lead sinker from that distance at that speed is capable of causing death or great bodily harm. That would mean the surfer would have been legally justified in using equivalent force BUT that is only if the force continued or was imminent. It was not. The punch in the face would have expected if you were throwing lead sinkers at places and literally every other spot was open to you but you chose a spot where surfers were. You cannot escalate or cause an incident and then argue self defense especially if you are armed and the other person isn't. That being said, punching someone is not deadly force. It's a simple battery and the stand your ground defense requires a forcible felony. All of the arguments on here so far highlight the complexity of a rule that in practice had resulted in a shoot first culture that is ultimately unsustainable. A prosecutor and a defense attorney could each make compelling cases for each side and they would each be right depending on six strangers who showed to jury duty with no more qualifications than a valid drivers license. Kind of scary.

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it's actually completely sustainable and will continue - til USA runs out of guns. discuss

Well said, JB. Thank you.

It's about to get a lot worse too with permitless carry. More guns entering into more arguments.

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More guns entering into more arguments.


And for what, to prove you are right in an argument that probably didn't matter in the first place?

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Unfortunately we live in a society where aggression is rewarded and it's considered weak and emasculating to "back down".

It's a function of a perceived diminishing privilege for white men mainly. They're desperate to convince themselves and their cohort that they're still "in charge" and not taking shit from anybody.
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Strange that he knew he needed to take his gun to the beach. Jax must have some tough Whiting!

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Nope. The furball "fisherman" got exactly what he wanted.
He was deliberately casting into a group of surfers. Trying to provoke an incident... or a shark attack.
Which is exactly why he had his widdle magagaga gugun
If he does it again....set the smurf up. Someone on beach and in the water with cameras.
Grab his line, fake being hooked, file assault charges.
Or simply blindside the chickenshit and take him for an outside paddling excursion.....free surf lesson, duude... learn surfing's breath holding techniques.
wearing his bait.....and his treble hooks

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Edited: 06/06/2023 at 05:46 PM by nukeh2o

Wonder how tough these guys are in a Mexican standoff. Pretty easy to pull a weapon towards someone who most likely is NOT carrying.

Tom Petty agrees

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