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Topic Title: The Kilmar Abrego Garcia allegations
Topic Summary: and a little comparison.
Created On: 04/24/2025 09:02 AM
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Abrego Garcia was arrested in March 2019 in a Home Depot parking lot in Hyattsville with three other men for "loitering." His attorneys said he was there looking for day labor work. Police assessed that he was a gang member at the time, according to arrest documents. He had no criminal record at the time, which the documents also state.

When Abrego Garcia was arrested, he had just under an ounce of marijuana on him, according to the Hyattsville Police Department. The drugs were seized but authorities did not file charges.

One of the men arrested that day was known to the Prince George's County Police Department as an MS-13 gang member, according to a document titled "gang field interview sheet."

Police interviewed the men, including Abrego Garcia. The document said he was wearing "a Chicago Bulls hat and a hoodie with rolls of money covering the eyes, ears and mouth of the presidents" on the bills. The officers said such clothing was "indicative of the Hispanic gang culture."

The officers also said they consulted with a "past proven and reliable confidential source," who "advised" that Abrego Garcia was an active gang member who had the moniker "Chele."

The Department of Homeland Security also posted on social media that Abrego Garcia's wife had received a temporary protective order against him in 2021. Vasquez Sura did not appear for the hearing and the case was ultimately dismissed. She released a statement explaining what happened.

"After surviving domestic violence in a previous relationship, I acted out of caution after a disagreement with Kilmar by seeking a civil protective order in case things escalated," Vasquez Sura said in a statement Wednesday. "Things did not escalate, and I decided not to follow through with the civil court process."

"No one is perfect, and no marriage is perfect. That is not a justification for ICE's action of abducting him and deporting him to a country where he was supposed to be protected from deportation," she added.

The administration has also accused Abrego Garcia of being involved in "human trafficking," but did not release evidence of the claim until April 18, when the Department of Homeland Security released a report detailing a traffic stop in Tennessee in 2022 where an officer suspected Abrego Garcia of human trafficking while driving a vehicle with eight other people.

Abrego Garcia said the men were traveling for construction work, according to the report. Because there was no luggage in the vehicle, the officer on the scene suspected it could be human trafficking, it said.

The Tennessee Highway Patrol said in a statement that in 2022 Abrego Garcia was stopped for speeding on I-40. The agency contacted federal law enforcement, which decided not to detain him, the statement said.

>>http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us...ow-rcna201708<<


Lets now compare this individual with Trump.

Hurt obtained a copy of her (Ivana Trump) sworn divorce deposition, from 1990, in which she stated that, the previous year, her husband had raped her in a fit of rage. In Hurt's account, Trump was furious that a "scalp reduction" operation he'd undergone to eliminate a bald spot had been unexpectedly painful. Ivana had recommended the plastic surgeon. In retaliation, Hurt wrote, Trump yanked out a handful of his wife's hair, and then forced himself on her sexually. Afterward, according to the book, she spent the night locked in a bedroom, crying; in the morning, Trump asked her, "with menacing casualness, 'Does it hurt?'?" Trump has denied both the rape allegation and the suggestion that he had a scalp-reduction procedure. Hurt said that the incident, which is detailed in Ivana's deposition, was confirmed by two of her friends.

Hurt held on to his copy of Ivana's sealed deposition for years. "It was sworn testimony," he said.

http://www.newyorker.com/magaz...-abuse-of-women


Former President Donald Trump was found liable for battery and defamation in a civil trial in Manhattan that stemmed from allegations he raped author E. Jean Carroll in a department store dressing room in the mid-1990s.

The jury of six men and three women awarded Carroll $5 million in damages after deliberating for under three hours. It found the former president liable for sexual assault, but not rape, and also determined that he had defamed Carroll.

In the jury's verdict form, in response to the first question, "Did Ms. Carroll prove, by a preponderance of the evidence, that Mr. Trump raped Ms. Carroll," the jury said, "no," but it answered "yes" to the next question posed, about whether he had sexually abused her.

The jury found that Carroll had been harmed as a result of Trump's actions, and that $2 million would "fairly and adequately" compensate her for those injuries.

It also answered "yes" to the question about whether Trump had defamed Carroll and said nearly $3 million should be given to Carroll for damages.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/re...dict-text-here/


Under New York law, falsification of business records is a crime when the records are altered with an intent to defraud. To be charged as a felony, prosecutors must also show that the offender intended to "commit another crime" or "aid or conceal" another crime when falsifying records.

In Trump's case, prosecutors said that other crime was a violation of a New York election law that makes it illegal for "any two or more persons" to "conspire to promote or prevent the election of any person to a public office by unlawful means," as Justice Juan Merchan explained in his instructions to the jury.

What exactly those "unlawful means" were in this case was up to the jury to decide. Prosecutors put forth three areas that they could consider: a violation of federal campaign finance laws, falsification of other business records or a violation of tax laws.

Jurors did not need to agree on what the underlying "unlawful means" were. But they did have to unanimously conclude that Trump caused the business records to be falsified, and that he "did so with intent to defraud that included an intent to commit another crime or to aid or conceal the commission thereof."

>>http://www.cbsnews.com/news/tr...ilty-verdict/<<


The clothing interpretation of gang membership is also very interesting
While the exact translation of the tattoo has not been confirmed by Hegseth himself, multiple experts say it mirrors language commonly associated with Christian apologetics in the Middle East - drawing immediate concern about the intent behind the ink.

This isn't the first time Hegseth's tattoos have stirred controversy. Among the most prominent is the Jerusalem cross, inked boldly across his chest. Known historically as a Crusader emblem, the cross is steeped in centuries of religious warfare.

Unlike the small versions traditionally tattooed on Christian pilgrims visiting Jerusalem, Hegseth's rendition is massive - a choice that experts call "a statement" in itself.

A Map of Militant Symbolism
Other Christian-themed tattoos include:

"Deus Vult" ("God Wills It") emblazoned across his bicep - widely recognized as a Crusader battle cry.
The Chi-Rho, a Greek Christogram used by Emperor Constantine before his historic military victory in 312 CE.
A cross pierced by a sword, referencing the Gospel of Matthew: "I did not come to bring peace, but a sword."
"Yeshua" - Jesus' name in Hebrew, across his elbow.
These explicitly religious symbols are paired with overtly American nationalist imagery:

"We the People" from the U.S. Constitution.
The year 1775 in Roman numerals, marking the start of the American Revolution.
A "Join, or Die" snake.
A patch from the 187th Infantry, where Hegseth once served.
An AR-15, crossed muskets, and an American flag.<<

http://www.fingerlakes1.com/20...explained-2025/

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The clear doouble standard here is that a legal immigrant who wears a Chicago Bulls hat and seeks work at a Home Depot is going to be labeled as a violent gang member and criminal whose wife sought a domestic injunction against him. Deport him.

Trump? Serial abuser, criminal, convicted felon. No problem.
Hegseth? No problem.


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"One of the reasons why propaganda tries to get you to hate government is because it's the one existing institution in which people can participate to some extent and constrain tyrannical unaccountable power." Noam Chomsky.



Edited: 04/24/2025 at 10:01 AM by johnnyboy
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