I haven't seen this posted yet. Really sad story. We've probably met the guy that died. He worked at the toll booth at Sebastian Inlet.

Looks like Billy Lane, the Melbourne motorcycle builder that has been on a few Discovery Channel shows, caused an accident on A1A, killing a motorcyclist.



Chopper Builder Involved in Fatal Crash (Florida Today)

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That's awful.

I was very close to buying a Harley from a friend of mine at a great price, and had an empty pallet fly into my car on the way there. Never looked at the bike the same way again.

You absolutly have no chance if things go bad no matter what kind of bike you're on.

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Edited: 09/06/2006 at 02:22 PM by Captain Obvious

"This is not Lane’s first road incident this year.

In June, he was arrested by the North Carolina Highway Patrol on charges of drunk driving. Police said Lane was driving the wrong way on a two-lane road without a helmet"

Lane looks to be one of those a-hole drivers that tailgate you and pass on double yellow lines. This time he killed a guy. Lets hope it's the last time.

Patience is a virtue & in this case could have saved a life. What a shame.

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Yeah I saw this on the paper yesterday, I was surprized no one posted on this sooner.

It sounds like he is already at fault on this for passing on a Solid Double Line.

Poor guy on the moped didn't have a chance against that truck.

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Please don't tell me this was Gerry that worked at the food stand at the inlet!!!???!!!

EDIT: Just called and found out it is NOT that Jerry! WHEW!!!

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I am pretty sure it was the same guy from the inlet.

I rode my bike down to the scene. There was debris everywhere, I won't get into details but it was pretty gruesome. RIP.

sad situation for all involved.

Nah it wasnt Jerry from the snack shack.

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Edited: 09/07/2006 at 12:29 PM by Irey Sessions

I came upon that accident right after the cops arrived. I was on my way home, and the street was blocked off entirely. Cops told me it would be blocked for hours so I had to drive back up to 192 then down US1 and back up from Vero Beach.

Tonight I passed the spot and it was definitely double lines right there.

Horrible that had to happen. I've been tempted to pass a bluehair over the doublelines before, but I'll never forget this tragedy.. no way I'd ever do it now.

I feel terrible it was a guy from the inlet on the moped- I eat in there alot- but I dont recognize the name Jerry- can anyone describe what he looked like?

Edited: 09/06/2006 at 09:00 PM by paddleout

hey hey now before everyone starts bashing billy why would someone ride a moped at nine at night, and who knows the guy on the moped could have been right on the line and if billy just swerved over to take a peek to see if there was any oncoming trafic, since that area is right before the dashed line, he may have hit the guy then. Also, the guy on the moped lives on the ocean in that area(not jerry from inlet) and could have been going across a1a from the bikepath so his lights would not be visible since hes perpendicular to the traffic. Too many unknown facts to just assume its was Lane's fault

I would assume he didnt see the guy's light, if there was a working light..

but he's still going to be in a world of pain for having this happen while crossing a double line.

Sucks all around really.

What did I learn? Stay behind the bluehair and just take it- dont give in and pass

I bet billy walks.

For the rest of the working world, what is the potential penalty for a death like this in FL?



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Monday night, I was on SR44 coming back from the beach. I was going 60 in a 55 all by myself. Then a jacked up dodge comes running up hard from behind and proceeds to relentlessly tailgate. I sped up to 65 and he remained burried up my tailpipe. Then he passed me on a double yellow line and cut in really close on my front like he was pissed at me because I wasn't breaking the law enough for his liking. He must have been going 80-90 after he passed based on the rate that he dissappeared from my view.



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cubanrefugee123...are you high? Did you even read the story. Crossing the yellow line MAKES him guilty.

steve i was just trying to illustrate the point that their is too much information not known for you to just assume that "Lane looks to be one of those a-hole drivers that tailgate you and pass on double yellow lines. This time he killed a guy. Lets hope it's the last ti"me. That solid line is just a few feet from the dasged line and many drivers like to have an idea of whether or not they will be able to pass up ahead so they slide over a little to see if there is any oncoming traffic. Dont be lame man, everyone deserves a chance and you should not be so quick to judge just because of past incidences.

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needs to appear in oct. for a dui in n.c. still, now this. hope that hang him by his ballls. very sad for the victums family.

Edited: 09/07/2006 at 04:49 AM by driftwoodninesix

"everyone deserves a chance and you should not be so quick to judge just because of past incidences."

True, but it's not lookin good for Billy Lane. He might do 2 or 3 years for this...and I bet his bike prices go out the roof. People just need to slow down a bit while driving, to many thing can go wrong.

Real sad story.

He Cuban,
I see your point of not jumping to conclusions but...
Where the accident occured is about 1/3 a mile before the dashed passing lanes start.. no where close, not even in sight yet... he was 3 or 4 blocks N of publix when the accident happend. The dash lines don't start until the S side of Publix...

I have also been tempted to pass in this area often.. and have done it a few times as well, especially after being stuck behind someone crusing at 30/35.. but never at night on a holiday weekend... Definitely not dumb enough to drive like that after some drinks (not stating billy was impaired either, just making a point)


Gerry was a very cool person, he often worked the gate very early in the morn greeting dawn patrollers. He was very easy to deal with.. if you left your pass, he was cool about it. He was my favorite out of the employees down there. He will be missed.

Edited: 09/07/2006 at 07:10 AM by matt_t

My parents live down there, and part of the lifestyle of living in S. Melb beach is the slower pace. I have been tempted to pass when held up by a blue hair, but never do. Even in the passing zone. What's the friggin hurry. It's a nice drive, even at night. Slow down and enjoy the smell of the ocean.

Prayers and peace for Gerry's family.

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A sad incident indeed- my thoughts go out to Gerry's family.

At least it sounds like he went quickly.

Passing on that stretch of road is dangerous.. even in the passing areas. My new rule is I'm only doing it (on the passing areas of course) if I really have to, and I'm never doing it in the dark regardless of whether its legal.

it's such a dangerous road. You get the extremes. The people who've lived down there a while who do everything slowly and the people who just moved down there or visitors who are still in highway/95 mode.
I could see this type of thing increasing with the crazy amount of new homes that have gone up the past 10 years.

Billy is a super cool guy and eveything he builds turns out to be way sick! Its too bad a his bad mistake took another life but mopeds on a major road like A1A ,are about as bad of an idea as drinkn and driving,especially at night time,and not to mention on a drunken holiday like Labor Day. I wonder if Jerry had been drinking too.

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Billy is a super cool guy and eveything he builds turns out to be way sick! Its too bad a his bad mistake took another life but mopeds on a major rode like A1A ,are about as bad of an idea as drinkn and driving,especially at night time,and not to mention on a drunken holiday like Labor Day. I wonder if Jerry had been drinking too.

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I don't know if you actually know this guy, but you seem to be defending him crossing a double yellow line, passing two cars illegally, and killing someone.

I don't care how good of a guy you are, it just goes to show you one dumbass move can change peoples' lives FOREVER. It's tough enough if you took your eyes off the road, or fell asleep, but if you intentionally pulled a jackass move and someone dies... probably not gonna be fun to live with.

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I'm relieved to know that it's not Jerry from the snackbar, but it is SOMEBODY's GERRY. I don't see
how you can defend what Billy Lane did, just cuz he's a cool guy. If that moped is legal he should
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Billy is a super cool guy and eveything he builds turns out to be way sick! Its too bad a his bad mistake took another life but mopeds on a major rode like A1A ,are about as bad of an idea as drinkn and driving,especially at night time,and not to mention on a drunken holiday like Labor Day. I wonder if Jerry had been drinking too.

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You are the most ignorant SOB for your lame posts. I'm sure Jerry's family really appreciates your retardness.

I've stopped riding my bicyle to the inlet due to stupid driver tactics. That goes for on the road and bike/walk path. I've been cut off and pushed off both too many times.

The paper said head on collision again today. People need to realize that you are held responsible for your actions.

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The reader comments mention that the 0.12 BAL is a typo, and that it was actually 0.192.

Whatever it is, it has to suck for all involved. A 10 year minimum sentence is a nasty thing to look at, and losing a loved one because of drunk driving seems like it would be even more painful than a momentary lack in (sober) judgement.

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What's the word on the girl who was riding in the truck with him? I thought I read on here that she was badly injured.



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how drunk is someone with a .192 BAC??

depends on how tireed you are, how tolerant you are (your body to alcohol, that is), and lots of other factors.

But it's almost 2x the old limit (of 0.10), and almost 2.5x the current limit (of 0.08).



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In general, that's noticably drunk for most people. Not exactly smashed or fall-down drunk, but I know 0.20 is no-drive territory for me.

The campus police used to come to our house to train new guys on the breathalizer, since we never let them down regarding available drunks. We had one guy with an inhuman tolerance for booze blow a 0.4, which is the most I've seen first-hand.

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In general, that's noticably drunk for most people. Not exactly smashed or fall-down drunk, but I know 0.20 is no-drive territory for me.

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0.2 isn't what I would call "no-drive territory"...that's "I'm staying here tonight or have a sober ride home territory"...

IN GENERAL...0.20 occurs somewhere around 9-10 drinks most of the time. The 0.08 mark for a 160-200lb person is in the neighborhood of 4-5 drinks. *Disclaimer: This is only one set of "facts" I found online. Every person has different tolerances. I am in no way an expert...

This is definitely a sad story all around. It seems to be very easy to become "intoxicated" in only a short time. Hopefully it will (at least) make us think twice before we leave the bar/party/BBQ and think we're OK to drive.

Nine to tens drinks for 0.20 is pretty over the top, from my experience, unless we're talking about nine to ten spread over a long period of time. If you can feel any effect at all (we're talking nothing more than warm cheeks), chances are you're going to blow over 0.08. For me, that kicks in after a couple of drinks.

I'm not defending what Lane did, or apoligize for it. 0.192 is drunk enough that someone should have noticed and stopped him. Even if it's not nine or ten drinks, most people are drunk after a six-pack, no matter what line of BS they feed you about handling their booze.

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From http://www.madd.org/stats/1184



And an interesting study on the impairments at various levels:


http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/people/injury/research/pub/impaired_driving/BAC/index.html

12 oz. of average beer (4.5% alcohol) would be contain exactly 0.54 ounces of alcohol.

So 5 "avg. 12-oz" beers puts you around 0.095%, and extrapolating, 10 beers in one hour would be in the 0.19 range.



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Cas, I definitely wasn't directing my post toward you at all. I was just throwing in my 2 cents. If you took it as directed toward you, I apoligize.

There is, without a doubt, a pronounced line between responsible/irresponsible...no matter what aspect of life we're talking about. We all make choices as to which side of the line we operate on. Unfortunately, the irresponsible actions of someone can sometimes affect the responsible side of the line.

wetspot,

Actually Florida statute. 316.193, F.S. states under Florida law, DUI offense is proved by an impairment of normal faculties or unlawful blood alcohol or breath alcohol level of .08 or above.

This lowered the level of intoxication in 2004 and as of now the law reads .08 is legally drunk to operate a motor vehicle so he was actually more than 2 times the legal limit and that will be crucial in both the criminal suit and the civil suit that I am sure will be coming, very bad news for Mr. Billy Lane

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I don't trust MADD. Maybe it's heresy, but in my book they're up there with the 2nd hand smoke fallacy pushers when it comes to objectivity.

Link

Those are more in line with what I've seen first hand (not from traffic stops, from police bringing breathalyzers to parties).

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Those are more in line with what I've seen first hand (not from traffic stops, from police bringing breathalyzers to parties).

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I agree that MADD is a biased source, but note two things:

1) Their link is more generous than yours, which puts the 170-pounder above 0.08% after 3 beers, vs. 4 beers in theirs.

2) The impairment study is actually a reliable study by NHTSA, not MADD.

No doubt people should not be driving (or skateboarding) at 0.19%.

Some of the standards for habitual/chronic use, which I believe have been influenced/co-opted by MADD, are ridiculously low. When my friend went to counseling/evaluation after his DUI, I learned that I was an alcoholic by their standards.


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Who mixes a drink with .54 ounces of alcohol????? (and I don't even drink)

I was always under the impression that shot glasses were at least one ounce (some are larger). Maybe I am wrong???

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I was always under the impression that shot glasses were at least one ounce (some are larger). Maybe I am wrong???

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At most bars they don't give you a level shot...it is more like 1.5 oz
because they continue to pour after measuring the shot (while dumping in the glass).
That would be at a lot of bars...some give almost 2 ounces per drink.



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At most bars they don't give you a level shot...it is more like 1.5 oz
because they continue to pour after measuring the shot (while dumping in the glass).
That would be at a lot of bars...some give almost 2 ounces per drink.

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Then that's nearly an ounce- instantly. That'll wreck a man that's not a constant drinker. Not to get on you because you've been cool since coming back FK, but is that what happened to you? Someone would throw it out at you, top it off like they want a big tip, then next thing you know, Frankenstein is trying to drive or going home to try to be a husband.

What these charts don't take into consideration is someone could down a 12 pack over the course of a day, and still be under .08 (barbeque, football marathon, etc.). Someone could have what they think is two gulps at FK's bar. . .and be pretty hurtin'.

I'm all for personal responsibility. . . but maybe there should be a breathalizer available at bars.

Now is someone could lock up those "American chopper" jabronies. Thier bikes suck, and they dont really build them as much as they assemble aftermarket parts.

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It's not me who has been "cool" since I've been back....If you haven't noticed.....no one has personally attacked me since then (save one who got censored)....go figure!

Do ya think that might have anything to do with it? Or might there be another conspiracy going on?

As for me and drinking...haven't had a drink (or anything else) in 19 years.

I do know what is poured at bars though...and it isn't .54 of an ounce of alcohol.

Just my observation.

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Edited: 09/25/2006 at 05:42 PM by Fish Killer

i really feel for the victums family now, its bad enough for someone to do this sober but to find out the guy had no license and was drunk very very sad, then 15grand bond. i hope they hold him responsible to the fullest. castration to start.

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At most bars they don't give you a level shot...it is more like 1.5 oz
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1.5 ounces of poured liquor
Most liquor is 80 Proof

1.5X 40% (alcohol %) = .6 ounces of alcohol

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The bottom line is that 0.08 is just to damn arbitrary. Different people react to it in different ways. Don't get me wrong, I believe 0.192 is probably knee walking drunk, but I would venture to say, as an experienced beer drinker, that my driving skills at 0.08 are better than your average sober 80 year old.

There's only one fair way to do it that could be enacted for those that want to. For a fee, you incrementally drink an alcoholic beverage, take a breath test after each drink and after the breath test perform a driving test on a video game type simulator, for safety. Changing the test each time so the subject can't artificially learn the test. Keep doing it until you flunk the the test due to "impairment". Whatever the breath number is gets printed on your driver license. If you're under the number, "Have a good night sir and drive carefully". If not, "You have the right to remain silent sir". Some people may flunk at a lower number but I'd venture to guess that most would be OK beyond 0.08.

When I get elected Governor this would get on the agenda and to hell with MADD.

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The bottom line is that 0.08 is just to damn arbitrary. Different people react to it in different ways. Don't get me wrong, I believe 0.192 is probably knee walking drunk, but I would venture to say, as an experienced beer drinker, that my driving skills at 0.08 are better than your average sober 80 year old...

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I completely agree with you. I don't think a lot of people have actually seen a person what a person looks like when they blow a 0.08 or even a 0.10. Most of them that I've seen don't look or act drunk. Most people will be over 0.08 if they have a couple of drinks with dinner and then drive home. That's why I said most adults have technically driven DUI.

MADD's numbers that Wetspot posted are ridiculous at best. Their intent is to villify anyone caught over the limit of 0.08, to make it seem as if they were doing kegstands right before they jumped in the car. There's no one to fight it - it's money for the politicians and lawyers, and anyone who actually got caught at 0.08 is instantly labeled as an irresponsible drunk.

And no, I've never been pulled over for DUI. I've just seen first hand the stupidity (and money) that follows when groups like MADD get involved. While I was there, Georgia Tech made bank (we're talking millions) off of grants to research binge drinking, and all they did was pass the responsibility and costs on to the fraternities and other social organizations.

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I thought it was about each beer was about .03....therefore 3 beers in less than an hour makes you "drunk" according to law

Three beers for a person who consumes alcohol more than once a decade is not "impaired" but we must deal with the laws

According to the .19, he had about 6-7 beers still "in his system" (if the .03 is correct)

BTW-One time I found a crashed car...tons of beer cans and a person passed out with the car still running....gun on the seat (didn't see it until after I went and pulled the keys)
Cops came.

Person tested .45 at the hospital

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lets not forget that most people get dui's for failiing field sobriety tests. the BAC is usually just empirical backup.

.08 is drunker than most of you realize. track down someone with a breathalizer (restaurant/bar owner/police officer) and see for yourself. Challenge your friends, (w/out anyone driving) it is fun.

I've seen breathalyzer results first hand. Like I said, cops love to take them to college parties to make examples of people.

0.45 is insane. I've probably been there once in my life - I was one shot away from 21 on my 21st birthday. I blacked out long before I finally passed out. I didn't know what planet I was on, let alone how to drive.

I can understand setting the limit low because of the effects of alcohol on some people - kind of a least common denominator thing. What I don't like is the misleading info that makes people think a 0.08 is the result of a binge.

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MADD's numbers that Wetspot posted are ridiculous at best. Their intent is to villify anyone caught over the limit of 0.08, to make it seem as if they were doing kegstands right before they jumped in the car.

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In my first post, I mentioned that the level of impairment depends on a LOT of factors.

The numbers may be somewhat arbitrary, but if you picked the number yourself, it would still be arbitrary.

The numbers are basically a compromise between a reasonable after-dinner drink(s) and the average onset of noticeable impairment and reduced reaction time for the average driver.

This is one of those things where they have to cater to the lowest common denominator, because it only takes one idiot having one bad day to ruin several lives.

During my bachelor days, I drove half way across Florida in a coma. On sheer adrenaline, I've passed the roadside DUI physical test twice (eyes closed, on one foot, reciting the alphabet backward on a cold windy night while having to pee like a racehorse).

Therefore, I obviously deserve a special permit, based on my superior driving skills, that allows me to drive 95mph while sober, and about 70mph while under the influence. Unless, of course, the road is wet or I'm having a bad day, or traffic is heavier than usual, or I'm on an unfamiliar road.

As slammbamm pointed out earlier, you don't even have to be at .08 to get the DUI; 0.02 and loss of coordination is enough to get the book thrown at you, which could easily happen if you were sick and washed your cough medicine down with one beer. Now that's harsh.


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Wetspot, I mentioned above that the limit caters to the lowest common denominator. I don't have a problem with the limit as it is - better safe than sorry. I wasn't attacking you for posting something from MADD, but I was attacking them. They have an agenda, which is not too short of complete prohibition. They're setting people up to be hurt by painting 0.08 as a binge because villifying anyone convicted of a DUI helps accomplish their goal.

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The bottom line is that 0.08 is just to damn arbitrary. Different people react to it in different ways. Don't get me wrong, I believe 0.192 is probably knee walking drunk, but I would venture to say, as an experienced beer drinker, that my driving skills at 0.08 are better than your average sober 80 year old.

There's only one fair way to do it that could be enacted for those that want to. For a fee, you incrementally drink an alcoholic beverage, take a breath test after each drink and after the breath test perform a driving test on a video game type simulator, for safety. Changing the test each time so the subject can't artificially learn the test. Keep doing it until you flunk the the test due to "impairment". Whatever the breath number is gets printed on your driver license. If you're under the number, "Have a good night sir and drive carefully". If not, "You have the right to remain silent sir". Some people may flunk at a lower number but I'd venture to guess that most would be OK beyond 0.08.

When I get elected Governor this would get on the agenda and to hell with MADD.

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THAT IS THE MOST ABSOLUTELY RETARDED THING I HAVE EVER HEARD!
And yeah I can speak from first had experience and knowledge. Especially after not being able to surf the last few months because a drunk driver rear ended me doin 60 mph and I was stopped at a stoplight and I dont know when I will be able to surf again, and doubt I will be able to ever surf as good as I did. Despite losing alot of what most people take for granted I am still an understanding person and I understand that people make bad decsions. However, those people must be held accountable and there is absolutely no excuse for drinking and driving. Let me spell it out for you. Drinking is a choice, driving is a choice, drinking and driving is a really crappy choice, calling a cab should be the only choice

There is absolutely no excuse to drink and drive. I dont care if you are an experienced beer drinker, alcoholic or whatever point in fact is each drink reduces your reaction time (ironically I also did a research paper on drunk driving 2 semesters ago for my psychology class, more pertaining to the effects on a motorcycle but thats besides the point) .08 is just the legal IMPAIRMENT. Saying that at .08 your not affected is BS. Your just not visually changed enough to lmake walking look more awkward than an offbalance kook tryin to surf. However, the chemical processes in your body have been changed enough to mess with your ability to think about several things at once, make decisions, and reaction time. I am not saying prohibition either, just if you drink DONT drive PERIOD.

If you want to bash me go for it, unless you have had a loved one die, or you cant do practically anything you loved to do before an accident, just cause some asshole decided to drink and drive. Think, no sports, no football, no golf, no weightlifting, no NOTHING, oh yeah, DID I MENTION NO SURFING???

If you think I am full of it, feel free to pm me. I think the only fair way would be if no one drank and drove or if you do drink, and drive, you would be the only one injured in an accident. BUT ITS NOT LIKE THAT. I am sorry its such an inconvenience to you that you have to call a cab instead of drinking and driving, you know seeing as your such an experienced beer drinker and all...

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The bottom line is that 0.08 is just to damn arbitrary. Different people react to it in different ways.

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Better to draw a measureable line than to rely on a cop's subjective judgement in a battery of motor-skills tests. I prefer a set line to most "field sobriety" tests.

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I would venture to say, as an experienced beer drinker, that my driving skills at 0.08 are better than your average sober 80 year old.

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I can't count the number of people that I know or have known with your attitude. Most of the time they are the first to slur "I'm fine" and procede to stumble out to their car to swerve home.






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I can't count the number of people that I know or have known with your attitude. Most of the time they are the first to slur "I'm fine" and procede to stumble out to their car to swerve home.

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Hardly scUmbrid...I've taken the taxi home a time or two. All your statement tells me is the type of people you hang out with.



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Hardly scUmbrid...I've taken the taxi home a time or two. All your statement tells me is the type of people you hang out with.

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Hey, I was just calling it like I see it. Didn't say anything directly about you. Just what is usually the result of your type of "I can hold my liquor" attitude. You getting all defensive is telling, irrespective of the type of people that you think I hang out with.

Just because I know someone doesn't mean I hang out with them, in case you're too thick to understand that. Had you comprehended the verb tense in "have known" you might have read into the statement that I have severed association with folks because of that attitude (since you like reading meaning into statements, I thought you would've caught that).



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1. If all the items we are saying are facts are proven in court, I hope he fries
2. The legal limit is currently .08 for impairment...Of course we all must deal with it...Do I think .08 is impaired...nope, and I think if you look at how it has decreased over the years due to lobbying, you might agree
3. Regardless, you are always better to get a cab, or stay 100% sober.....Drinking even two beers is a bad idea regardless of impairment, because cops can be real A-holes if they want to be...Besides, Haake Beck and the Guiness N/A are not that bad for the nights you have to drive

I wised up a long time ago and have not been in a car "impaired" for probably 10 years now...Not worth it on so many levels

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Chopper builder cleared in N.C. case

Billy Lane facing DUI charges in Brevard

BY KIMBERLY C. MOORE
FLORIDA TODAY

http://www.floridatoday.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20061006/NEWS01/610060334/1006

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The bottom line is that 0.08 is just to damn arbitrary. Different people react to it in different ways.

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Wrong! The level is set by law and is not open to arbitration. "Impaired" means exactly that: Impaired. Not "slightly impaired," or somewhat impaired but still capable." And if the law proscribes the minimum acceptable alcohol content (level) as .08, so be it, end of discussion.

The dictionary defines "arbitrary" as follows:

1. subject to individual will or judgment without restriction; contingent solely upon one's discretion: an arbitrary decision.
2. decided by a judge or arbiter rather than by a law or statute.
3. having unlimited power; uncontrolled or unrestricted by law; despotic; tyrannical: an arbitrary government.
4. capricious; unreasonable; unsupported: an arbitrary demand for payment.
5. Mathematics: undetermined; not assigned a specific value: an arbitrary constant.

The previous blood alcohol content (BAC) was set at 1.0% (one percent). It was amended to to .08% (eight-tenths of one percent). There is nothing arbitrary about this fact: .07% is legal, .08% and higher is not.

You may be able to function perfectly well with a higher blood alcohol level than the person next to you can, but the law applies across-the-board to the widest range of people. Depending on how one's body absorbs and dispels the BAC, one person may be impaired after two beers (or the equivalent), while someone else isn't. Regardless, if your BAC measures .08%, you are ---according to a very specific law--- unable to legally operate a motor vehicle.



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Are their numbers for drink-to-BAC from NHTSA? I thought just the "effects" study was.

I'm not surprised that their standards are more "generous". They're trying to give the impression that someone pulled over who blows just over the limit is wasted on a six-pack binge. If most responsible adults in this country knew that they were technically DUI after a dinner out and a couple of drinks they might stop listening to MADD.

By MADD's standards, every adult on here that has had a drink at a restaurant with dinner has driven "drunk".



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unfortunate situation all around.

.192 is what a lot of people would call wasted. anything over .10 is pretty darn intoxicated.

Here's Florida case law on DUI manslaughter so hopefully it turns out he was sober, I know it won't bring Jerry back but I would imagine it would be easier for his family to know it truly was an accident even a negligent accident then to know due to this man drunken alcohol intoxication they lost their loved one

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Felony DUI – Serious Injury or Death
If a person is DUI, and causes or contributes to the cause of a crash involving death, the person is subject to being charged with DUI-Manslaughter. It is a second degree felony, level 8 offense, subject to 15 years in the state prison. The Florida Sentencing Guidelines apply. A single death carries a minimum of approximately 10 years in prison. There is mandatory permanent revocation of the driver's license

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crankit. he's not a patch holder. should be careful on speaking in that language.

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What an assclown...if he is proven to have been drunk what type of jail time is he looking at? It's amazing that a drunk, no respect for the law local idiot gets "famous" for being on TV and the news titles the article "Chopper builder hurt in fatal crash" and not "Chopper builder recklessly kills someone".

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Edited: 09/07/2006 at 08:28 AM by vonnhelmutt

What is amazing is that someone who builds bikes, and routinely rides them, would be careless enough to kill someone on a moped. I thought that bikers were more careful and looked out for other bikers while in real cars??

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What is amazing is that someone who builds bikes, and routinely rides them, would be careless enough to kill someone on a moped. I thought that bikers were more careful and looked out for other bikers while in real cars??

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Apparently, two would think so...can we get a third?

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Edited: 09/07/2006 at 08:52 AM by tiffanys

did I mention that people who build and/or ride motorcycles should also be put to sleep? you're just preemting the inevitable.

aye

Tis true-I certainly became a more alert driver after having ridden my bike a few years...I also gave a lot more room/leeway to other bikers (even when in my car)

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he didn't see the moped. He wasn't disrespecting the moped.
of course he understands what it's like to ride a bike.
He went over the double yellow, possibly while drunk.

I know he was hanging out with friends the majority of the day. He shares a duplex 3 doors down from my uncle. Saw him and his truck out front.

nobody on here is attacking Jerry or his family for that matter...only a few people know exactly what happened and under what circumstances so there is no reason to get all bent out of shape just because someone has a different opinion then yours. It was Labor Day ....

lets see, solid yellow line, he crossed it intentionally and killed someone.I dont care if the guy was walking lane shouldnt have passed.period.. I have to agree with chad wentworth 111 also. irey you dont work at spectrum do you?

Here's the "suprise" way you can get beaned on the 2-lane A1A, even if you're looking and being careful-pay close attention to this setup:


You are going to pull out onto the A1A and make a RIGHT.

You look right and theres some traffic coming, but it doesnt matter- its in the far lane.

You look left and its clear so you start to turn right and go.

As you turn your head back to the right and begin to pull out- HOLY COW there's a guy barreling down YOUR LANE heading right into you... and WHAM.

This can happen because when you first looked to your right, he had not decided to pass the guy he was behind, and was still in his proper lane.

When you looked left, he started to pass the guy and pulled into your side of the road.

When you saw there was no one coming from the left- you assumed the view to your right was still clear, as people dont normally think of a car coming at them from the wrong side of the road.

*ALWAYS* look back to your right BEFORE you pull out and make sure no one is pulling a lane-cross

yeah thats so true i have to deal w/ that sh!t everyday..

Im not defending Billy at all.What he did was wrong.We all make mistakes.Unfortunatley,his took another persons life.Dont be haters.This is a forum,people come here to share there opinions.
Chad_Wentworth_III sounds like the ignorant SOB to me. Get a life hater.

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Edited: 09/07/2006 at 06:10 PM by Irey Sessions

And ya I do know Bily,Super nice guy.One or two really bad mistakes and everyones attacking him. I bet over 50 % of the people on this forum drink and drive on a regular basis or atleast have once in there life. Keep haten' u could be the next drunk driver to kill someone. Karma is a b!tch.

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Edited: 09/07/2006 at 06:20 PM by Irey Sessions

one or two mistakes!!!!! . one took a mans life for gods sake!!!!!!not hatun ,just facts. dont care if he was drinking or not. by the way i dont drink alcohol. and ive been run down twice by drunk drivers on my motorcycle, coincidentally one was making an illegal pass.

Edited: 09/07/2006 at 07:10 PM by driftwoodninesix

"Keep haten' u could be the next drunk driver to kill someone. Karma is a b!tch. "

OR you could be the next guy HIT by a drunk driver.... Much worse!!!

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Keep haten' u could be the next drunk driver to kill someone. Karma is a b!tch.

OR you could be the next guy HIT by a drunk driver.... Much worse!!!

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I know that I won't be the drunk driver..... gave up that loosin
game long ago. I drink, if I drink.... at home. Actually always
preferred to smoke my poison.... but that was long ago....

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Good for u Hodad.Drinkn and drivin = Nodad . Hey Momma G,not to get personal,but what if it was one of ur boys that was drivin and killed someone,then everyone on here was talking sh!t about them? Not too cool huh ?

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Edited: 09/08/2006 at 04:35 AM by Irey Sessions

I dont think that everyone here is necessarily attacking him personally, but using what he did as a deterrent to those who pass, especially on that section of A1A , which appears multiple crashes have taken place at. And for those who dont pass, to keep their eyes open and pay more attention when they are traveling on that section.

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shak n bake !

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Edited: 09/08/2006 at 04:59 AM by Irey Sessions

You make your living off the public and limelight (crappy shows like Monster Garage/etc) then you put yourself in the public spotlight

People will talk....especially when you do stupid stuff

If he is innocent, he will not be charged/vice versa

If my kids or my friends were the offender, all I could ask for was justice (regardless of who that hurt)

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Totally agree with ya Bill!

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Large crowd eulogizes lost friend

BY JESSICA RAYNOR
FLORIDA TODAY

http://www.floridatoday.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060918/NEWS01/609180315

Thanks Dave. It was nice to read that.

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-They are both card carrying narcissists.
^These are PROVED facts.

Nice way to end this thread..... I wish I'd known about the tribute beforehand, though.

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Went to Blackbeard's paddleout yesterday morning then to a funeral in N Brevard yesterday afternoon so just couldn't make it to his wake at the inlet.
I think it was last summer?When they were doing all the beach renourshment I was driving to the inlet real early,about 4a.m.,and a line of 4 or 5 dump trucks came haulin a$$ up behind me and got RIGHT ON MY a$$ on that same section of road and I did not speed up and they all proceeded to pass driving like bats out of hell,then they stop up ahead to get their morning coffee or something,I felt like calling their company and I know it was a low traffic time of day but what a bunch of a$$holes!!!Those guys drive like maniacs!!Then that poor girl was killed on US-1 at Pineda intersection,I think they said it was her fault?But I'll bet that dump truck that creamed her was HAULIN A$$.

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Edited: 09/18/2006 at 06:22 AM by HepCat

whats the latest on this anyway? this story just kind of went away. confirmed drunk? charges?

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casper, the original story said that toxicology tests could take 4 to 6 weeks to come back. I think it's been 2 weeks so far.

There but for the grace of God go I.
Ultimately,the poor guy has to live with what he did.
He passed when he wasn't supposed to.
Ain't nothing IMO that justifies that.
Hopefully,he'll take a hard look at how he's living his life and make some changes.
And,I think although it would be hard,the victim's family would probably eventually forgive him.
They seem like first class people.

Also,another innocent victim,anybody know how the girl he was with is doing.
She's probably traumatized emotionally if nothing else.

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Edited: 09/18/2006 at 02:53 PM by HepCat

Accountability = Hater


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I thought Karma was a guy who likes Andre the Giant

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he deserves to burn. period.

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thanks bill for clarifying that.

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-They are both card carrying narcissists.
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I have a feeling he will.

From what I've heard, there's a mandatory minimum 10 year sentence for a manslaughter charge while DUI. He was over twice the legal limit, he did something incredibly stupid by crossing the double yellow lines, he had a recent DUI in another state, and there are witnesses.

I wouldn't be surprised if they throw the book at him.

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Well, either Billy was impaired or he just didn't give
a shiot if he endangered anyone. Bottom line is that
this nice guy is dead.

A debate on the chemistry of drunkenness is a waste of
time. Perhaps a debate on his choice to drive with a
suspended license would be appropriate.

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People need to have a designated driver, drink at
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One way to accomplish that is to educate them on just how little it takes to cross the limit. Misleading information from groups like MADD do exactly the opposite.

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True-see when groups tell you it takes a "drunk/binge" drinker to blow .08 and a person, in reality, can blow that from 2-3 beers, they might get in a car with the thoughts "I did not binge drink...I only had 4 beers" and that is bad for everyone

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in all stupid seriousness...autopilot cars would solve a lot of problems.

OK, OK... back to prohibition and the purification of our souls.

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Billy would "override" the system because it was staying behind
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Guy's were missing something here, Billy Lanes BAC (blood to alcohol concentration) was .192, that not a breathalyzer, that from the blood test so that's a lot worse than a breathalyzer reading and a guarantee of motor skills impairment.

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