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Topic Title: Separating the art from the artist.
Topic Summary: When monsters make something beautiful.
Created On: 05/10/2023 06:45 AM
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 05/10/2023 06:45 AM
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johnnyboy

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http://www.npr.org/2023/05/10/...review-claire-dederer
>>... The subtitle of Monsters is A Fan's Dilemma: the dilemma being still loving, say, the music of Wagner or Michael Jackson; still being caught up in movies like Chinatown or maybe even Manhattan. In short, Dederer wants to dive deep into the murk of being "unwilling to give up the work [of art you love], and [yet, also being] unwilling to look away from the stain [of the monster who created it].

The #MeToo movement propels this exploration but so, too, does our own social media, biography-saturated moment: "When I was young," Dederer writes, "it was hard to find information about artists whose work I loved. Record albums and books appeared before us as if they had arrived after hurtling through space's black reaches, unmoored from all context."...<<

I was thinking about this lately because I got a good laugh out of Dave Chapelle when talked about canceling R Kelly but overlooking Michael Jackson because his music was more timeless. Bill Maher hinted at the same thing when he talked with Elon Musk and said if you ask a high school student about George Washington, the only thing they can tell you is that he was a slave owner. How much bad can we or should we forgive from great or prominent people? Where is the line?

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 05/14/2023 08:59 AM
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 05/14/2023 11:36 AM
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After last year, I have decided to set my 1 (and only) Ted Nugent cassette on fire. r.i.p Theodore. However, I still hear Kid Rock on the radio, from time to time.
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LBLarry

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It most definitely colors how I view both the artist and their work. Be it legal issues, morality or political. If the transgression is bad enough, IMO, I divorce myself from that artist and their work.

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StirfryMcflurry

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the frankenstein dilemna isreal
 05/14/2023 01:48 PM
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StirfryMcflurry

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Originally posted by: LBLarry It most definitely colors how I view both the artist and their work. Be it legal issues, morality or political. If the transgression is bad enough, IMO, I divorce myself from that artist and their work.
including...jazz musicians
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