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Topic Title: It was never the Ukraine
Topic Summary: It was always Russia
Created On: 12/03/2019 09:13 AM
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 It was never the Ukraine   - johnnyboy - 12/03/2019 09:13 AM  
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 It was never the Ukraine   - Sniper - 12/03/2019 10:56 AM  
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 It was never the Ukraine   - 3rdworldlover - 12/04/2019 07:13 AM  
 It was never the Ukraine   - Cole - 12/04/2019 07:16 AM  
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 It was never the Ukraine   - 3rdworldlover - 12/04/2019 07:48 AM  
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 It was never the Ukraine   - Cole - 12/04/2019 07:53 AM  
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 It was never the Ukraine   - HAPDigital - 12/04/2019 08:22 AM  
 It was never the Ukraine   - johnnyboy - 12/04/2019 08:46 AM  
 It was never the Ukraine   - 3rdworldlover - 12/04/2019 09:13 AM  
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 It was never the Ukraine   - Cole - 12/05/2019 03:51 AM  
 It was never the Ukraine   - wtf - 12/04/2019 09:44 AM  
 It was never the Ukraine   - Sniper - 12/04/2019 11:22 AM  
 It was never the Ukraine   - johnnyboy - 12/04/2019 12:30 PM  
 It was never the Ukraine   - Sniper - 12/04/2019 12:37 PM  
 It was never the Ukraine   - Fish Killer - 12/04/2019 01:16 PM  
 It was never the Ukraine   - Sniper - 12/04/2019 02:41 PM  
 It was never the Ukraine   - HAPDigital - 12/04/2019 03:31 PM  
 It was never the Ukraine   - johnnyboy - 12/04/2019 01:19 PM  
 It was never the Ukraine   - Sniper - 12/04/2019 01:47 PM  
 It was never the Ukraine   - johnnyboy - 12/05/2019 05:24 AM  
 It was never the Ukraine   - Sniper - 12/05/2019 05:42 AM  
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 It was never the Ukraine   - Greensleeves - 12/05/2019 10:17 AM  
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 It was never the Ukraine   - somebodyelse - 12/05/2019 10:36 AM  
 It was never the Ukraine   - RustyTruck - 12/05/2019 10:43 AM  
 It was never the Ukraine   - Greensleeves - 12/05/2019 10:45 AM  
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Sniper

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Originally posted by: johnnyboy

This is why I have been questioning Sniper's surfing. He is pretending to have an open mind when an open mind means that he will not accept the conclusion that Russia was and is the culprit based on evidence, the intelligence community's assessment and the indictment of the GRU members specifically. You are supposed to start with an open mind and accept the facts regardless of the direction they take you. You are refusing to accept the facts and stalling at the beginning to avoid the inevitable conclusion as if that's the same. Your "open mind" is really just a refusal to accept facts. You even posted links debunking your own premise and you are always keeping an open mind when the evidence is clearly against the conclusion you stated with and defend with that same alleged open mind.


The article said that not all members of VIPS agree with all aspects of the memo. I wouldn't consider that the same thing as debunking it.

So, in order for me to be "open-minded", I need to say that the only possible scenario here is that Russia hacked the DNC, based on information provided by our intelligence agencies, who didn't have first-hand experience with the server?

"We got the forensics from the pros that they hired which -- again, best practice is always to get access to the machines themselves, but this, my folks tell me, was an appropriate substitute," - James Comey

Something seems really off with this whole scenario. Maybe Russia hacked to tip the scales for Trump.

Or maybe it wasn't a hack at all. Maybe a DNC IT staffer downloaded the Outlook files to a thumb drive and sold it to the highest bidder?

The scenario we are being told to accept may very well be the truth but it seems like the most unlikely scenario.

If a DNC staffer did it from the inside then the DNC has nothing to use against Trump. They just look dumber. If the DNC staffer sold the information, then it would also explain why the same thing didn't happen to the RNC, because this guy didn't work for the RNC. It could have been completely apolitical. This guy might not give a shit about Democrats or Republicans. He might just want to get paid.

Trust me, I'm open to considering quite a few scenarios here. Hell, I would have an easier time believing that Trump himself bought the thumb drive off the DNC staffer than the story we have now.

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Edited: 12/04/2019 at 11:46 AM by Sniper
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