I'm not saying that Russia absolutely did not hack the DNC but I'm keeping an open mind about what may have happened. The same people saying that without a doubt, Russia was responsible for the hack are the same people who were proven wrong by the Mueller investigation.

"We got the forensics from the pros that they hired which -- again, best practice is always to get access to the machines themselves, but this, my folks tell me, was an appropriate substitute," - James Comey

When asked if investigating the actual server would have helped the FBI track down the culprit, the FBI declined to comment.

To this day, however, the intelligence agencies that released this assessment have failed to provide the American people with any actual evidence substantiating their claims about how the DNC material was obtained or by whom. Astonishingly and often overlooked, the authors of the declassified ICA themselves admit that their "judgments are not intended to imply that we have proof that shows something to be a fact." - The Nation (hardly a conservative publication)

Anytime you see anything from an unnamed source, an anonymous source, you have the government saying "just trust us on this one", or anything of the like, you would be wise to proceed cautiously.

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"The government who robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul," - George Bernard Shaw

“End of quote. Repeat the line.” - wise words from Joe Biden

“Your boos mean nothing, I’ve seen what makes you cheer” ~ Rick Sanchez

Yeah, I mean for all we know Fiji could've meddled in our elections. Right?

Remarkable that it barely even registered in the news cycle, when evidence was released after Roger Stone's conviction, that Trump was informed of Russia's hacking of the DNC in April of 2016, and that Trump lied about it in his written statements to the FBI.

Russia was responsible for the hack are the same people who were proven wrong by the Mueller investigation.

Um, Mueller's report said that Russia hacked the election and that they are still a serious threat.

Seriously, where do you get your news?

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Usually, I link sources. They are the blue letters. Try clicking them.

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"The government who robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul," - George Bernard Shaw

“End of quote. Repeat the line.” - wise words from Joe Biden

“Your boos mean nothing, I’ve seen what makes you cheer” ~ Rick Sanchez

Maybe check Page 36 of Mueller's Report?

RUSSIAN HACKING AND DUMPING OPERATIONS .................................................. ...... ............. 36
A. GRU Hacking Directed at the Clinton Campaign ................. .......... ............... ............. 36
1. GRU Units Target the Clinton Campaign .................. . .... . .... . ......... . ...................... 36
2. Intrusions into the DCCC and DNC Networks ................... ................... ............... 38
a. Initial Access .................................... ............................................... ................. 38
b. Implantation ofMalware on DCCC and DNC Networks ................................ 38
c. Theft of Documents from DNC and DCCC Networks .................................... 40
B. Dissemination of the Hacked Materials ................. ......... ......................... ................... 41
I. DCL eaks ........ ............................. ................................. .................. .................. ..... 41
2. Guccifer 2.0 ............ .............. .................. ............. .................................................. 42
3. Use of WikiLeaks .................

And, the Mueller Report based this on what? A server they never had full access to? Taking the DNC's word for it? Taking the word of a company being paid by the DNC?

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"The government who robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul," - George Bernard Shaw

“End of quote. Repeat the line.” - wise words from Joe Biden

“Your boos mean nothing, I’ve seen what makes you cheer” ~ Rick Sanchez

1) The link you posted never mentions Ukraine as the culprit, as you have argued.

2) There is a detailed report on the investigation.

http://www.us-cert.gov/sites/d...0STEPPE-2016-1229.pdf

Then there is this from the link you posted.

We have also learned since publication, from longtime VIPS member Thomas Drake, that there is a dispute among VIPS members themselves about the July 24 memo. This is not the first time a VIPS report has been internally disputed, but it is the first time one has been released over the substantive objections of several VIPS members. With that in mind, we asked Drake and those VIPS members who agree with him to present their dissenting view. We also asked VIPS members who stand by their report to respond.

Which brings me to the question: Do you read the links you post?

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Edited: 12/04/2019 at 07:54 AM by Cole

Yeah, I never mentioned Ukraine being the culprit. It wouldn't have to be hacked at all if someone had access to the system.

I saw the quote you mentioned. I'm still interested in hearing what both sides have to say.

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"The government who robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul," - George Bernard Shaw

“End of quote. Repeat the line.” - wise words from Joe Biden

“Your boos mean nothing, I’ve seen what makes you cheer” ~ Rick Sanchez

I know right? It could be Somalia. I'm thinking maybe it was Barbados but you know it could have been Canada or even Sweden. Our FBI and Intelligence services say it was Russian. But you know, it could be Austria. We'll never know....