 05/21/2018 07:50 AM
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miker
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Too many doors and because teachers don't get paid enough. If we only paid them fairly, there would be less students going crazy. Heh, sooo many dingbats out there.
It's like the people I mentioned earlier that refuse to pay for increasing security at schools but seem to conveniently forget that regulating the hell out of firearms will be every bit as expensive, but won't have any immediate impact. The truth is, we need better gun regulations AND better school security.
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05/21/2018 08:12 AM
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jdbman
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All of the above. More security, more emphasis on mental health, Review, revise gun access.
I heard a former Sec of Education propose today, that there be a nation wide boycott of all schools until politicians take action.
America is sick.
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05/21/2018 09:17 AM
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worksuxgetsponsered
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How about holding the effing parents accountable? Your kid shoots up a school, bully's a kid, is guilty of general douchebaggery.......find the effing parents and lock them up.
I'm sick and tired of people breeding like cockroaches and my tax dollars being wasted having to fix their fuckups.
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05/21/2018 09:44 AM
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426Blue
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So much empirical evidence explaining the spike in school shootings within the US, and beyond, yet for the most part it's being ignored. In the past, when school shootings were rare, there was nowhere near the gun culture in the US, compared to what currently exists.
In the past 10 -20 years, the right and NRA have done a bang up job of promoting a culture of fear, a perception that firearms will protect you or make you whole, an inaccurate narrative that regulating guns is somehow an infringemnt on constitutional rights, and the false narrative that any regulation of guns equates to "taking away my guns" and is "unamerican." What a load of BS. I would bet that ten years ago, most of the current paranoid opponents to gun regs., could not have even identified what provision in the constitution granted a well regulated militia the right to bear arms. NEWS FLASH - there hasn't been any type of militia for a long time.
Bullying, poor mental health, too many doors in schools...that's nothing new. Slow down the gun culture, and the school shootings will subside -akin to a level of the 60s-90s.
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05/21/2018 10:16 AM
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miker
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Originally posted by: 426Blue
In the past, when school shootings were rare, there was nowhere near the gun culture in the US, compared to what currently exists.
Perhaps, but just as many homes had guns in them.
Percentage of households with firearms:
1975 - 44%
1980 - 45%
1985 - 44%
1990 - 47%
1996 - 44% (couldn't find 1995)
2000 - 39%
2005 - 40%
2010 - 39%
Then more recently....
2015 - 41%
2016 - 39%
2017 - 42%
Oddly ...1990, the year with the highest percentage of households with guns had zero school shootings in context of the issue we are worried about. For full disclosure, that year did have 2 gang related shootings on school property with zero deaths.
Edit: Also ...2015-2018 had more school shooting in context of the issue we are concerned about than the entire 70's combined, despite there being a high percentage of guns in households in the 70's.
Edited: 05/21/2018 at 10:23 AM by miker
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05/21/2018 10:49 AM
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LBLarry
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Originally posted by: 426Blue
So much empirical evidence explaining the spike in school shootings within the US, and beyond, yet for the most part it's being ignored. In the past, when school shootings were rare, there was nowhere near the gun culture in the US, compared to what currently exists.
In the past 10 -20 years, the right and NRA have done a bang up job of promoting a culture of fear, a perception that firearms will protect you or make you whole, an inaccurate narrative that regulating guns is somehow an infringemnt on constitutional rights, and the false narrative that any regulation of guns equates to "taking away my guns" and is "unamerican." What a load of BS. I would bet that ten years ago, most of the current paranoid opponents to gun regs., could not have even identified what provision in the constitution granted a well regulated militia the right to bear arms. NEWS FLASH - there hasn't been any type of militia for a long time.
Bullying, poor mental health, too many doors in schools...that's nothing new. Slow down the gun culture, and the school shootings will subside -akin to a level of the 60s-90s.
On point
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05/21/2018 12:54 PM
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426Blue
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Miker - you missed my point.
I don't doubt your statistics, or even that the rate of gun ownership may have declined over time. My point is that a well organized group, having political motives, have engaged in a marketing agenda appealing to large swaths of the population, promoting a "gun culture" in this country that did not exist in the past. Until recently, I never recall: people openly disclosing all the guns they own; bragging about their concealed weapons permits; rushing to gun dealers the second someone in power mentions a reasonable regulation; seeing firing ranges in every community; sporting clothes or bumper stickers promoting guns, or warning what they'll do to someone that crosses them; seeing constant new roadside billboards for gun shows; suddenly finding a new love and appreciation for the constitution & second amendment; bragging about how "american" they are, since they support their supposed constituional right to bear arms.
The more prevalent the gun culture, and acceptance of firearms as the "norm", the higher chance that school shootings will continue and even increase.
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05/21/2018 01:24 PM
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stokedpanda
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Originally posted by: 426Blue
Miker - you missed my point.
I don't doubt your statistics, or even that the rate of gun ownership may have declined over time. My point is that a well organized group, having political motives, have engaged in a marketing agenda appealing to large swaths of the population, promoting a "gun culture" in this country that did not exist in the past. Until recently, I never recall: people openly disclosing all the guns they own; bragging about their concealed weapons permits; rushing to gun dealers the second someone in power mentions a reasonable regulation; seeing firing ranges in every community; sporting clothes or bumper stickers promoting guns, or warning what they'll do to someone that crosses them; seeing constant new roadside billboards for gun shows; suddenly finding a new love and appreciation for the constitution & second amendment; bragging about how "american" they are, since they support their supposed constituional right to bear arms.
The more prevalent the gun culture, and acceptance of firearms as the "norm", the higher chance that school shootings will continue and even increase.
I have noticed that too, with and increased vulcanization against those who choose not to participate.
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05/21/2018 01:34 PM
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HAPDigital
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Originally posted by: 426Blue
Miker - you missed my point.
I don't doubt your statistics, or even that the rate of gun ownership may have declined over time. My point is that a well organized group, having political motives, have engaged in a marketing agenda appealing to large swaths of the population, promoting a "gun culture" in this country that did not exist in the past. Until recently, I never recall: people openly disclosing all the guns they own; bragging about their concealed weapons permits; rushing to gun dealers the second someone in power mentions a reasonable regulation; seeing firing ranges in every community; sporting clothes or bumper stickers promoting guns, or warning what they'll do to someone that crosses them; seeing constant new roadside billboards for gun shows; suddenly finding a new love and appreciation for the constitution & second amendment; bragging about how "american" they are, since they support their supposed constituional right to bear arms.
The more prevalent the gun culture, and acceptance of firearms as the "norm", the higher chance that school shootings will continue and even increase.
Well said.
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05/21/2018 03:41 PM
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miker
Posts: 7813
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Originally posted by: 426Blue
Miker - you missed my point.
I don't doubt your statistics, or even that the rate of gun ownership may have declined over time. My point is that a well organized group, having political motives, have engaged in a marketing agenda appealing to large swaths of the population, promoting a "gun culture" in this country that did not exist in the past. Until recently, I never recall: people openly disclosing all the guns they own; bragging about their concealed weapons permits; rushing to gun dealers the second someone in power mentions a reasonable regulation; seeing firing ranges in every community; sporting clothes or bumper stickers promoting guns, or warning what they'll do to someone that crosses them; seeing constant new roadside billboards for gun shows; suddenly finding a new love and appreciation for the constitution & second amendment; bragging about how "american" they are, since they support their supposed constituional right to bear arms.
The more prevalent the gun culture, and acceptance of firearms as the "norm", the higher chance that school shootings will continue and even increase.
No I got your point and agree with it mostly. My post supported your point. Funny I remember some of the rednecks with gun racks complete with shotgun and perhaps hunting rifle in their trucks in the school parking lot and nobody batted an eye. Nobody was worried they would shoot the place up.
I dont think the issue is strictly gun culture though. Not going to repost what I posted, you can read that for yourself if you haven't already and so choose to.
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05/21/2018 03:46 PM
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dingpatch
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The Bottom Line is that, , , , Soft Targets will always be Soft Targets.
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05/21/2018 03:56 PM
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Fish Killer
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Originally posted by: dingpatch
The Bottom Line is that, , , , Soft Targets will always be Soft Targets.
Lie!
They most assuredly don't have to be!
Remove the gun free zone law that Joe Biden invented!
Problem solved!
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05/22/2018 03:01 AM
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Sparky
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Something that I don't think has been mentioned. How many school shootings have taken place in a private school? Maybe like most things that government can't handle or does not want to handle a private company can handle? Just a thought.
What would it take to modify the school day? Tighten up entry points. I don't see this costing some that much money. Little things like working towards removing the need for backpacks. C'mon already do we still need kids carrying all that crap around? Their is definetly some inexpensive, low tech ways to help.
I have worked in our local school system and agree teacher pay sucks. The top is not doing too bad though. I have seen technology and secruity systems already installed in our local schools that teachers and administrators have refused to accept and learn how they function. It's always we are way too busy and underpaid to be fooling with that stuff.
My position is I don't care anymore about gun laws. I just know plenty of things can happen before you try and get all the scary looking guns banned.
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05/22/2018 04:29 AM
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HAPDigital
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"I don't care." Pretty much sums it up. You want what you want with absolutely no responsibility and accountability yet you want others to add that burden to their already complex lives. So freaking selfish. Your not even willing to try some simple and practical regulations that would not really hinder any gun owner or manufacturer rights, just make them more responsible. Then say it won't work without even trying it. You'd rather turn Ms. Jones into Charlie Bronson. Pretty messed up if you ask me.
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