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RustyTruck

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Originally posted by: miker

Oh and Rusty ...you also know damn well I am for keeping guns out of the hands of the mentally ill, even seizing them if need be. I mean we have discussed it enough. Well I mean, unless age is catching up to you and your memory went to shit, you "should" know that. So unless the Alzheimer's is getting you, I am not sure why you would make that post in my direction.


You triggered bro?

I'm still waiting to hear your plan to address "the root cause" of mental illness.

In the mean time, unless you think the USA has more mentally ill people than other countries, the obvious difference is the proliferation of unregulated firearms.



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cole you get aggressive with everyone who has a different thoughts why?

 

why do you think more kids shoot up schools now than 30 years ago? there were guns then too and bullies. 

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The real question should be why is this happening here in such numbers. Places with 4 times the population of the USA do not have these kinds of stats. They have plenty more mentally ill too. Makes you wonder. Hmmm....
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Originally posted by: RiddleMe

cole you get aggressive with everyone who has a different thoughts why?





He gets aggressive because he is all or nothing. You are either far left fringe liberal or you are the enemy. Sadly he doesn't realize that his mindset is the exact same as the alt right.
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Originally posted by: RiddleMe

cole you get aggressive with everyone who has a different thoughts why?




 




why do you think more kids shoot up schools now than 30 years ago? there were guns then too and bullies. 



Have republicans attempted to do anything on the national level?

I am tired of kids being murdered. I am tired of the right doing all they can to block any type of legislation. To me the Right and the NRA are the enemy and should be dealt with accordingly.

And I'm not the only one to come to this conclusion, millions of us are done with the do-nothings and plan to make it known in the next election.



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 05/20/2018 02:02 PM
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A $1 trillion budget was just passed, how much money did they devote to mental illness?

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http://www.hhs.gov/about/budge...rief/samhsa/index.html

-$252 million

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If they banned guns tommorow how long would the current supply last? Also what does a teacher's salary have to do with anything? Are you suggesting we should raise salaries before implented additional secruity measures? Call me crazy but if I don't like the pay I go find another job.

Everyone has gotten used to it at airports and courthouses it's time schools do the same. What other possible solution could have a faster impact?

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Originally posted by: Sparky If they banned guns tommorow how long would the current supply last? Also what does a teacher's salary have to do with anything? Are you suggesting we should raise salaries before implented additional secruity measures? Call me crazy but if I don't like the pay I go find another job.

Everyone has gotten used to it at airports and courthouses it's time schools do the same. What other possible solution could have a faster impact?

then who would teach children. The guards?
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Again teacher salaries have nothing to do with this. I imagine as time rolls on schools will become smaller and safer as more will turn to home schools and web based education. Just like shopping brick and mortar schools will one day be gone too. Not anytime soon but it will happen.

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Originally posted by: Sparky Again teacher salaries have nothing to do with this. I imagine as time rolls on schools will become smaller and safer as more will turn to home schools and web based education. Just like shopping brick and mortar schools will one day be gone too. Not anytime soon but it will happen.

It has everything to do with this.
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 Really pay teachers more and schools get safer. Who knew? Might as well have the students become complete tools and have them walk out for higher teacher pay. What is the starting pay for a teacher factoring in benefits for the required hours on the job in Brevard? Since were no longer discussing making schools safer.

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Originally posted by: Sparky  Really pay teachers more and schools get safer. Who knew? Might as well have the students become complete tools and have them walk out for higher teacher pay. What is the starting pay for a teacher factoring in benefits for the required hours on the job in Brevard? Since were no longer discussing making schools safer.
Talking about how it correlates to your ideas and budgets. What really amazes me is the little respect you have for educators, and that you do not think they deserve a living wage. "They should find jobs with better pay." What a "shit hole" society we would be. We are very fortunate people step up and teach our children for little to nothing. It's amazing actually. You think gun deaths in schools are bad now, imagine us as an even less educated country.
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 Ok so it's too expensive for secruity. I guess we will just have to deal with dead kids than.

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Originally posted by: Sparky  Ok so it's too expensive for secruity. I guess we will just have to deal with dead kids than.

Well they tried to do this a cheap route and arm teachers, but none of them wanted to have that responsibility on their hands for a measly and still unlivable raise. Since it is expensive, let's do something that costs little to nothing or possibly even make money for mental health programs, regulate guns better. Try it out. If it doesn't work then we know that's not the root of the problem.
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Originally posted by: RustyTruck

Originally posted by: miker



Oh and Rusty ...you also know damn well I am for keeping guns out of the hands of the mentally ill, even seizing them if need be. I mean we have discussed it enough. Well I mean, unless age is catching up to you and your memory went to shit, you "should" know that. So unless the Alzheimer's is getting you, I am not sure why you would make that post in my direction.




You triggered bro?



I'm still waiting to hear your plan to address "the root cause" of mental illness.



In the mean time, unless you think the USA has more mentally ill people than other countries, the obvious difference is the proliferation of unregulated firearms.


Addressing the root cause of mental illness? No Rusty, try again. The root cause IS mental illness in most cases. Even if they aren't legally insane or even diagnosed with mental illness before hand, there are so many instances of chronic depression, people on SSRIs, etc who are involved in this.

Do we have more mentally ill? No idea, do you know? I seriously doubt that there is any actual way to compare because of patient privacy, undiagnosed cases, and simple lack of comprehensive data being collected.

Let me ask you a few questions. Do you think we have top notch mental health care in this country? Do you think we have societal issues other than lack of gun laws that might be contributing to it? Are you so narrow focused that you don't see the sense in going after the other issues IN ADDITION to better gun laws. Put that in caps for you again since you and others seem to miss it.
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Originally posted by: miker

Originally posted by: RustyTruck



Originally posted by: miker







Oh and Rusty ...you also know damn well I am for keeping guns out of the hands of the mentally ill, even seizing them if need be. I mean we have discussed it enough. Well I mean, unless age is catching up to you and your memory went to shit, you "should" know that. So unless the Alzheimer's is getting you, I am not sure why you would make that post in my direction.








You triggered bro?







I'm still waiting to hear your plan to address "the root cause" of mental illness.







In the mean time, unless you think the USA has more mentally ill people than other countries, the obvious difference is the proliferation of unregulated firearms.




Addressing the root cause of mental illness? No Rusty, try again. The root cause IS mental illness in most cases. Even if they aren't legally insane or even diagnosed with mental illness before hand, there are so many instances of chronic depression, people on SSRIs, etc who are involved in this.



Do we have more mentally ill? No idea, do you know? I seriously doubt that there is any actual way to compare because of patient privacy, undiagnosed cases, and simple lack of comprehensive data being collected.



Let me ask you a few questions. Do you think we have top notch mental health care in this country? Do you think we have societal issues other than lack of gun laws that might be contributing to it? Are you so narrow focused that you don't see the sense in going after the other issues IN ADDITION to better gun laws. Put that in caps for you again since you and others seem to miss it.


Let me help you out. No, we do not have a higher incidence of mental illness. Now I'll say again, what is your plan to address all these issues which are causing an epidemic of gun violence which you say is totally unrelated to guns?

You might as well suggest drunk driving has nothing to do with booze.

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I love how people just make shit up. "even if...." Fact: we have 1/4th the population of the some other countries that happen to also have the most mentally ill populations in the world and they have much less amounts of school shootings, almost none compared to us really. The problem is guns, plain and simple. Not doors, mental illness or anything else. Just stop it. So ridiculous.
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I love how people just make shit up. "even if...." Fact: we have 1/4th the population of the some other countries that happen to also have the most mentally ill populations in the world and they have much less amounts of school shootings, almost none compared to us really. The problem is guns, plain and simple. Not doors, mental illness or anything else. Just stop it. So ridiculous.
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Originally posted by: HAPDigital

I love how people just make shit up. "even if...." Fact: we have 1/4th the population of the some other countries that happen to also have the most mentally ill populations in the world and they have much less amounts of school shootings, almost none compared to us really. The problem is guns, plain and simple. Not doors, mental illness or anything else. Just stop it. So ridiculous.


They don't have gunfree school zones!

IDIOT!

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For more making shit up, see above. ^^^
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Originally posted by: HAPDigital

For more making shit up, see above. ^^^


Quit your PATHOLOGICAL LYING you POS commie statist pig!

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miker

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Originally posted by: RustyTruck

You might as well suggest drunk driving has nothing to do with booze.


That is rich coming from the guy trying to blame it all on the car.
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