So now y'all are going to try to get shotguns and revolvers banned????

Yeah!

Idiots!

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The REAL truth is....both of the forum idiots are OWNED.
-BOTH of them have no clue who their owner is.
-They are both card carrying narcissists.
^These are PROVED facts.

Fish Blower is a swine among pigs.
A wimpy little pig sheriff deputy, with a gun: cowered outside the parkland school, did nothing. And gets an 8500$ a month pension.
Anybody read the miami herald interview with nikolas cruz's brother? The kid gave so many warning signs. And the lazy police types did nothing, allowed it to happen.
Why? Intimidated by the current traitorous, russian supported nra! And our current pro cop, pro gun rights culture!
So: if profoundly obvious mental health issues cant stop a well known kook ass underage nut case like cruz from buying, and owning a deadly weapon:
what can be done to counter this gun lobby mayhem and madness in america?
Hey hysteria girl chumpfdirt bot trolling traitor Mullet Spanker: just shut the fuck up


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It's a democratic hoax

Why bother with another discussion, Trump was bought off directly by the NRA and Republicans are two pussified to stand on their own two feet.

Let's change the make up of congress, then take back the White House. It's the only way.

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No.

But registration and changes in liability laws regarding the transfer of arms should be changed. 

In other words, when you own a gun you should be responsible for what that gun does even when not in your hands. You are responsible for securing it and transfers should be documented and track-able. Won't stop everything but the careless free-for-all that we have isn't working.

 

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Why exactly should transfers be trackable?

You're out of your mind!

The thing that isnt working is Joe Bidens GUN FREE ZONES!

You really should look and address what IS THE PROBLEM before you attack what is not!

IDIOT!


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The REAL truth is....both of the forum idiots are OWNED.
-BOTH of them have no clue who their owner is.
-They are both card carrying narcissists.
^These are PROVED facts.

IMO most pro gun folks are pro bully.

via GIPHY

However, I guess we are all wrong. It's not a gun problem. It's not a bully problem. It's not a mental health problem. It's a door problem.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2018/05/19/texas-official-says-that-fewer-doors-could-mean-fewer-school-shootings-we-had-experts-weigh-in/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.8b33f740ca8d

SMH

sensible is three pronged approach

a. guns regulations that will help. agree with miker that we need more than feel good laws

b. improve mental health diagnosis and treatment as well as end school bullying

c. doors that lock down and can be centrally controlled, ballistic glass where needed, sro in every school, and unified communication network paid for by additional school tax levied on parents with children in public schools

People have been bullied since time eternal, they didn't start shooting other kids until recently.

Are the bullied mentally ill?

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I love the lock down ballistic glass doors idea. Meanwhile teachers are making sweatshop pay.

Yes!! This kid's dad should not only have his gun rights revoked, he should be sent to prison.

Time to enforce the 'well-regulated' part of 2A



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QOP = Terrorists
FK = Gay

I agree with you that incidents like this should be a case for prosecution and revocation if guns laws are passed in support of that sort of thing. We have to be careful that we only prosecute people that are negligent though. Last thing I want to see is someone go to jail because they had the keys stolen to their gun safe.... that isn't just.

That should still carry some penalty. I would meet you in the middle and say if someone were to pry into a locked safe - otherwise, you need to be held responsible for any access to your weapons used in a crime, One should be in complete control of access to the weaons.

Why? These weapons are made for one thing, and that is to kill. There is no other reason for their invention. Owning one should come with great responsibility - that includes access.



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QOP = Terrorists
FK = Gay

The owner should bear total responsibility for the deaths caused with their own guns. Unless there is solid proof there was no neglect and all proper security measures were in complete order. Otherwise it is their fault as well. These are the kinds of regulations we are talking about. Regulations that make the owners more accountable. It is really not too much to ask for our children. They should even hold manufacturers accountable. Make sure their customers have the proper means to secure weapons and make sure they are responsible owners.

 My suggestion about metal detectors does something. You brought up pay not me. The two are not correlated at all. Lots of great educators lots of bad ones too again pay has nothing to do with this. Truly dedicated folks understand that in Florida teaching has been and always will be devalued for a lot reasons. Life sucks quit whining about pay.

 The short term solution is secruity upgrades plain and simple. But what do those look like and how does it get done?

It won't get done. There is no money there and you do not want to pay more taxes. Again, this all falls in line with pay and budgets. You're expecting something that is not there, and people are not willing to pay. If we could do this, teachers could get paid more as well. It is related.

 Nope wrong again. Put a line item in the budget for secruity only keep all the pork out of it. Voters will pass it no problem. I will gladly pay any tax that includes all the residents. I will not agree to something that is only on a homeowner, business owner, "wealthy person" etc.

 So help me break this down.

 Average pay for brevard teacher is 44K per year.

 Benefits have to be worth at least 20% of that. So 52,800 per year?

 So I have no idea the required hours to work per week or year.

Is it fair to say that teachers are off 8 weeks a year? Perhaps more?

So is it fair to say teachers earn near 30 per hour when you break it down?

Again not sure how this makes kids safer but would you agree those numbers are close?

If you think public school teachers only work 40 hours a week you are sadly mistaken.

Do we really want to split hairs over the education of out children?

And does anyone think home schooled kids come out ahead in the long run?

If they make $44k, the benefits aren't added to the total, they are subtracted. I looked into getting a job with a Brevard County municipality and the insurance for me was cheap, if I added my family, the cost went up to $800 a month. That would have been a $9,600 hit to the paycheck.

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FL teachers get about 8-10k below national average. We are on the low end of teacher pay. But yeah, give billions to security contractors first. Makes no sense. But I'd put money on security measures not stopping school shootings if some kind of gun control regs are not passed. Just look at banks, did armed guards work there? Whens the last time you've seen an armed guard in a bank?

Benefits are deducted? Banks have tellers behind bulletproof glass? Teachers pay is more important than secruity? Some great ideas on how to prevent the next attack!!

Nah, you've overlooked many great ideas posted here in all the school shootings threads we've had here. You are still not getting the point, at all. You're stuck in one way of thinking, totally locked in. I just mentioned some ways, cheap ways, to prevent shootings and guns getting in the hands of kids. *crickets....

 Maybe your right. But with the amount of guns in America and the amount of crazies we have. I can only see extreme secruity measures having an immediate impact. Guns are not going away and were growing crazier by the day so.....

If we are growing crazier, then we need to limit more and have more responsibility and accountability. What makes you think 100% higher security will have a quick impact? So far where armed people were posted it did nothing.

Maybe we can make an effort at being a little less crazy. Bully less, listen more, act sooner and don't have so many guns.

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"The truth is incontrovertible.
malice may attack it,
ignorance may deride it,
but in the end,
there it is." -Sir Winston Churchill

You are absolutely correct. The most meaningful and quickest way to have direct impact would be to instill extreme security measure in schools so they are no longer soft and easy targets.

Paying for it IS the issue as well as some of the parents themselves who oppose it and apparently would rather have children die than to have their children 'feel' like they are in a 'jail' (insert any similar drama llama statement here that you have seen from a parent interview).

So yeah people without kids don't want to pay for it because they already pay 'too much' for schools they never used with their tax money. Parents with kids don't want to pay for it because it is 'unfair' to them to have a special tax levied on them or because they disagree with the solution despite it being their children who would be protected.

Yeah ....metal detectors at all entry ways, SROs in every school, ballistic glass where needed, centrally locking doors (that can also be locked/unlocked from the inside for safety reasons), and improved communication systems would have an immediate and tangible impact while everything else gets sorted out. But umm ...yeah

Never worked for banks. A matter of fact it caused more harm. Not sure where you all get your evidence this will make schools safer. You're just winging it. Like 90% of your posts...

"Children who participate in gun safety programs often ignore what they learned when encountering a real firearm, according to a Rutgers School of Nursing study.

The report, published recently in Health Promotion Practice, reviewed 10 studies on the effectiveness of strategies for teaching gun safety to children ages 4 to 9. The researchers found such programs do not reduce the likelihood that children will handle guns when they are unsupervised, that boys are more likely than girls to ignore gun-safety rules and that few studies exist of gun-safety programs for children beyond the fourth grade.

Included among the findings from previous studies is that 85 percent of gun-owning parents did not practice safe gun storage and 72 percent believed their young children could differentiate a toy gun from a real gun"

Culture, not laws.
Fix that, gun people.

https://www.eurekalert.org/pub...18-05/ru-gsp051518.php

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"The truth is incontrovertible.
malice may attack it,
ignorance may deride it,
but in the end,
there it is." -Sir Winston Churchill

Not exactly breaking news if you are a parent imo. All this does is further prove the point that parents needs to start parenting again and be responsible for their children instead of relying on everyone else to do it for them.... and that parents wanting to parent BE ABLE to parent again without society getting in the way.

It isn't just gun laws and gun culture in this country, is culture in general in this country. Parenting techniques my mother used on me and the old paddle used in grade school by the vp would be considered child abuse now. Society has stripped the tools away from both parents and the school system to effectively discipline and raise children. Instead of teaching children to critically think, they get taught to regurgitate facts. Instead of being taught to deal with problems and conflicts, we coddle them and give them safe spaces. All this has really resulted in is a couple of generations of weak adults and children.

There were guns all over this country when I was a kid, yet school shootings were non existent as compared to now.... yet we only want to blame the guns. It is ludicrous and beyond stupid.

You think they negotiate a $44K a year wage, then add the extra $10K for insurance, so the total equals $54K a year?





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Cameras, locking doors, intercoms, and a control room.

Cameras are getting relatively cheap and effective.

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