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Topic Summary: .... ummm prob not
Created On: 11/02/2017 10:47 AM
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 11/02/2017 10:47 AM
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Plan B

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So finally a few days of harvest for a "ENDANGERED RED SNAPPER" and rt on cue.... 3 days of 15kts winds forecast 



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 11/03/2017 01:21 PM
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stokedpanda

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Plan B your a st aug guy right?

I am thinking run out of mayport SE about 10 miles bag a few and ride the swells back SW into Vilano and cruise back ICW, thoughts?

O yea my buddies vessel is a 22' pathfinder!

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 11/06/2017 09:54 AM
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Yep.

Did you charge it? 

Friday morn seemed doable but Not alot of freeboard for the 5 sec chop on that boat (2 of My buddies charter from 22 pathfinders)



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 11/06/2017 10:31 AM
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Originally posted by: Plan B

Yep.




Did you charge it? 




Friday morn seemed doable but Not alot of freeboard for the 5 sec chop on that boat (2 of My buddies charter from 22 pathfinders)



I was ready but he chickened out, had fun long boarding south jax in the am though


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 11/06/2017 10:42 AM
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head boats slammed them this weekend
 11/07/2017 11:18 AM
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onebuck

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Originally posted by: HAPDigital head boats slammed them this weekend

 

Everyone did....got our 75lbs

 11/07/2017 12:16 PM
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Plan B

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nice!  how many fish? please tell me 3



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 11/08/2017 07:56 AM
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onebuck

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Originally posted by: Plan B nice!  how many fish? please tell me 3

 

Naaaa...a few more then just 3 

No sows

 11/08/2017 08:22 AM
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http://thehill.com/blogs/congress-blog/energy-environment/279382-short-red-snapper-seasons-should-inspire-reform

The article is Gulf-centric but the story is pretty similar for the Atlantic side. I think this is a well written popular article on the topic.

Originally posted by: Plan B "ENDANGERED RED SNAPPER"

 

My personal take:

Population was fished down to a tiny fraction of virgin biomass. It stayed in an overfished condition for a long time with a very truncated age and size structure. As terrible as the recreational landings data were, the condition of the stock was pretty incontrovertable. Managers dithered with allocating the scraps between the commercial, sport-charter-headboat, and recreational sectors.

Now stocks are rebuilding people out there see "more fish than ever". They really do too. There are more than ever if you've just started fishing for them in the last 30 years.  The people out there weren't fishing in 1950 when the population was much bigger. They are starting from a small base line.

The population on either coast is not yet at Bmsy (biomass for maximum sustainable yield) but stocks have rebuilt A LOT in the last decade.

I went to an interesting talk at the American Fisheries Society conference in Tampa last August. When Maximum Sustainable Access Vies with Maximum Sustainable Yield: The Curious Case of the Red Snapper

Super short Cliff's Notes version: The recreational and sport fishing sector would happily live with a lower standing stock of fish as long as access to fishing was sustained so that the fishing seasons weren't so damned short.



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 11/08/2017 08:33 AM
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scombrid

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http://my.fit.edu/~lindeman/2010%20Faith-based%20Snapper%20Management.pdf

Here's a TLDR for anyone interested in some light reading on the topic of snapper biology and management.

 



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 11/08/2017 09:30 AM
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Plan B

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I agree to what you're saying to an extent as I tend to be "pro-conservation" for a fisherman, but their broad based studies are flawed due to the geographic nature of our state.

Up here in NE FL, if you're going bottom fishing it's hard to NOT catch snapper.  You have to fish very large baits that can fit in a grouper's bucket mouth, or small ones for trigs (but then get chickens anyway) and still pull up a hoss snapper.

We prob catch 20/1 snapper / grouper, but the latter is the one that's legal (prob because areas south this ratio is reversed).... Also, they need to shut it down 100% commercially if they really want to improve the stocks.

I think there should be spawning season closures on most fish, but regs should be realistic also

anyway.... looks like the population is safe in NE FL this weekend

FRIDAY
North northeast winds 20 to 25 knots. Seas 6 to 8 feet
with occasional seas up to 10 feet. A chance of showers.

FRIDAY NIGHT
Northeast winds 20 to 25 knots with gusts to
around 35 knots. Seas 7 to 9 feet with occasional seas up to
11 feet building to 8 to 11 feet with occasional seas up to
14 feet after midnight. Showers likely.

SATURDAY
East northeast winds 20 to 25 knots with gusts to
around 35 knots. Seas 9 to 12 feet with occasional seas up to
15 feet. A chance of showers.

SATURDAY NIGHT
East northeast winds 20 to 25 knots with gusts
to around 35 knots. Seas 8 to 11 feet with occasional seas up to
14 feet. A slight chance of showers.

SUNDAY
East northeast winds 15 to 20 knots. Seas 6 to 9 feet
with occasional seas up to 11 feet. A chance of showers.

 



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 11/08/2017 11:23 AM
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scombrid

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Bad weather definitely illustrates one of the biggest problems with short open seasons.

 

 



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 11/20/2017 03:22 PM
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weldertom2

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Want greater snapper population?

Allow offshore petroleum drilling and production.

 11/21/2017 09:46 AM
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all3

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That could work, except for the occaisonal instances where the whole population of everything gets wiped out.(except for the oil-based lifeforms) There are less risky ways to improve habitat. Or you could let the population rebound to more historic levels(pre 1960s) and then have a much larger sustainable yeild



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