Is there a waiver for automobiles these days?

Not that I'm aware of.

I would also attach civil and perhaps criminal liability for failure to secure firearms resulting in injury or death. I think if your weapons are taken and used, you should forfeit your right to own a gun.

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“It is the heart of US policy to use fascism to preserve capitalism while claiming to be saving democracy from communism “ - Michael Parenti

Miker confuses reality for whining. His plan is nice and seems very practical. However, you are dealing with FKs, Sparkys and johnnys. They have the NRA and the GOP and none of these fees, or anything else will happen. Yeah, call my posts whining but they are steeped in reality, not pipe dreams.

I think if you do your due diligence and follow the rules, then you shouldn't be held accountable. Shit is always going to get stolen no matter how well you secure it. However, in cases where a father gives guns back to his psycho kid who then shoots up a school ....yeah, pops should be held accountable.

What rules are you referring to? I'm not aware of any requirement to own a gun safe or secure weapons. How many kids have been shot or shot someone else because they found grandma's .38 in the nightstand?

EDIT - I was mistaken, here it is:

790.174?Safe storage of firearms required. -
(1)?A person who stores or leaves, on a premise under his or her control, a loaded firearm, as defined in s. 790.001, and who knows or reasonably should know that a minor is likely to gain access to the firearm without the lawful permission of the minor's parent or the person having charge of the minor, or without the supervision required by law, shall keep the firearm in a securely locked box or container or in a location which a reasonable person would believe to be secure or shall secure it with a trigger lock, except when the person is carrying the firearm on his or her body or within such close proximity thereto that he or she can retrieve and use it as easily and quickly as if he or she carried it on his or her body.
(2)?It is a misdemeanor of the second degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082 or s. 775.083, if a person violates subsection (1) by failing to store or leave a firearm in the required manner and as a result thereof a minor gains access to the firearm, without the lawful permission of the minor's parent or the person having charge of the minor, and possesses or exhibits it, without the supervision required by law:
(a)?In a public place; or
(b)?In a rude, careless, angry, or threatening manner in violation of s. 790.10.
This subsection does not apply if the minor obtains the firearm as a result of an unlawful entry by any person.

1(3)?As used in this act, the term "minor" means any person under the age of 16.



These laws need to be enforced, but it reads like it's only enforceable after an incident.

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“It is the heart of US policy to use fascism to preserve capitalism while claiming to be saving democracy from communism “ - Michael Parenti

That's a pretty specific law. I'd like to see it get enforced.

Just about every state has some pretty broad laws concerning gross negligence, contributing to delinquency, child neglect, etc. etc.

In some places, having uncovered electrical outlets can get one's children placed in foster care. In most, having liquor where kids can get at in can result in some stiff penalties. It's even conceivable in some states that if a trespasser is injured on your property due to your lack of maintaining the premises, you could face a civil suit and possibly, if the letter of the locality's law were followed, be found liable.

But load a gun and leave it in easy access of a toddler? No worries mate! NRA has got your back!

In most states, a little girl can't legally run a lemonade stand without a health permit. She must also make sure her fees are paid and her filings are current. However, you can give her a .22. She can trade you a shotgun for it. There doesn't need to be any paperwork, cuz what if she wants to form a well regulated militia and resist King George n' stuff?

It's a crazy world, full of crazy people.

And you can even get detained by ICE just for speaking Spanish in public.

Tax firearms, ban firearms, increase mental health I don't care. Until the schools are secured the slaughter will continue.

LOL It's a mad, mad, mad, mad world.

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I troll 2L.com to be a better person in real life

All I know is this and I quote - 'More students have been killed in schools this year than soldiers in combat zones.'

Let that sink in.

Our 'milita' is not 'well regulated'. Time to regulate...

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QOP = Terrorists
FK = Gay

Agreed. No amount of gun legislation is going to stop it in a timely enough manner.

That we have to 'secure' schools is indicative of a sick, broken society.

The common theme is the 'more guns' and 'pro slaughter' agenda of the NRA, brought about by their hijacking of 2A

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QOP = Terrorists
FK = Gay

Cool.... but saying that over and over doesn't change the fact that it is the reality of the country we live in. Securing the schools is a lot more obtainable than fixing what is broken in society. Yeah, we need to fix society but that is going to take a long long time, if it even ever happens. Securing our schools is something that can be done *now* to stop children from dying *now*

Just like you've been saying this over and over and over? yeah, it doesn't change the fact that the reality is there will not be budget applied for this.

If it's your kid that takes your gun, YOU should go to jail.



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Specializing in sarcasm and condescending rhetoric since 1971.

Seems practical, involuntary man slaughter at the least.

You have it locked in a securely in a safe and your psycho kid steals the keys while you are sleeping and shoots someone. Not sure I find any justice in prosecuting a parent for that.

If you don't know your kid well enough to trust them, you shouldn't have guns in your house.

My pops had a cabinet full of guns and when I was a teen I had a few in there as well, but I could not even fathom touching them without the old mans expressed permission.

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Specializing in sarcasm and condescending rhetoric since 1971.

If you sold a gun to a criminal or psycho, you should also be responsible.

We need a national regristry, tracking database, and a gun purchasers permit that requires a mental health evaluation, criminal background check, and well regulated militia training certification.

FK is starting a class...