Check your go to news source.

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QOP = Terrorists
FK = Gay

There must be some mistake, can't happen in the most rootin-tootin-shootinist state in the confederacy!



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“It is the heart of US policy to use fascism to preserve capitalism while claiming to be saving democracy from communism “ - Michael Parenti

At least 8 people will not be going home to their families simply for attending school.

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FK = Gay

not trolling but sometimes these shooting do make me want to say eff it take up arms, always be strapped with a vest, a piece, a side piece, and a shoe gun. this shit sucks

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It does pandaroo.  

I have a CCW, but don't actually ever carry. I am however thinking about investing in this company....



racked

It's effing crazy out there.

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This crossed my mind this morning, as I was dropping off my kids, you never know if it will be the last time you see them. I can't even begin to imagine the pain these families must shoulder for the rest of their lives.

The "well regulated militia" needs to be f'n regulated.

You can thank Joe Biden for inventing your bullshit no gun zones that allow this to happen again and again and again!

JOE BIDEN!



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The REAL truth is....both of the forum idiots are OWNED.
-BOTH of them have no clue who their owner is.
-They are both card carrying narcissists.
^These are PROVED facts.

There was someone there with a gun. This is all on the NRA and its Pro-Slaughter agenda.

Fuck off...



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QOP = Terrorists
FK = Gay

Keep it classy FK

I hate seeing these happen over and over.

Im with 3rdworld..

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Zzzzzzz.. Zzzzzzz.. Braaaaaapp!

Zzzzzzzzzzzzzz....

Thoughts and prayers.

Now let's do nothing.

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I was right.

Strict federal restrictions on auto-loading center fire rifles with high capacity or detachable magazines is what I've been calling for, along with universal background checks.



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“It is the heart of US policy to use fascism to preserve capitalism while claiming to be saving democracy from communism “ - Michael Parenti

Cool. Would have done nothing to stop this shooting. Shooter took guns from his dad, who had purchased them legally. The guns were a .38 and a shotgun. Shooter said he wanted to commit suicide as well but lost courage in the end.

By all means though, let's keep blaming the tool instead of the person using it and the reasons that drove them to it. Let's keep up the mantra that mental health has nothing to do with it.

Prevent? No. Mitigate? Let's see here. Shotgun and handgun stolen from Dad- 8 dead in Texas. AR-15 purchased legally over the counter- 17 dead at Parkland.

Looks like in this case daddy didn't have an AR at home. Maybe 9 kids got to go home today because of that.

But by all means let's keep pretending that the efficiency of the tool has nothing to do with the amount of murderous work done.

What if the kid had a muzzle loader like the authors of the 2nd Amendment?

Let's stand around again and say "there's nothing that can be done" here in the ONLY COUNTRY THIS HAPPENS.



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“It is the heart of US policy to use fascism to preserve capitalism while claiming to be saving democracy from communism “ - Michael Parenti

National Gun Registry

Universal Background Checks

Mental Health Evaluation

Permits required to own a gun, and

No More ??ing high powered, high capacity, semi-auto rifles!!

(5 year mandatory minimum, 1st offense)

Should've happened 25 years ago. Enough!

You confuse wanting to solve the actual problem with wanting to do nothing. Typical.

Yeah your point that less kids died as compared to an AR style rifle is correct. So.... kids still died and will continue to die until something with meaningful impact actually happens. Disarming the country in entirety will never happen, so maybe going after the actual cause for a change might be helpful.

one interesting (pro gun)devils advocate thought I had was regarding a classic "mexican standoff".

If everyone had guns at least there would be a chance for a mexican standoff vs a slaughter.....

I agree with RT though, if he had a semi auto high cap rifle there may have been zero survivors..

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If everyone had guns many innocents would die in the crossfire, and you may very well have good samaritans shooting each other because in the heat of the moment they can't figure out who the bad guy is.

Ban high cap mags and restrict the hell of the rifles I mentioned, combine with SROs in every school, and we can reduce mortality in these attacks.


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“It is the heart of US policy to use fascism to preserve capitalism while claiming to be saving democracy from communism “ - Michael Parenti

Agree, I think also camera and audio equipment should be updated and would do a lot of good in terms of locating, and subduing the shooter and also allowing advice to be given to get the innocents to safety.

Locking doors could be used effectively with good surveillance, it will take a lot of $$ but I think well worth it.


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Looks like in this case daddy didn't have an AR at home. Maybe 9 kids got to go home today because of that.


...that pretty much says it all right there.

It's time to save lives instead of splitting hairs

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Zzzzzzz.. Zzzzzzz.. Braaaaaapp!

Zzzzzzzzzzzzzz....

And your comment about muzzle loaders is stupid. The tools would switch to homemade bombs, cars during bus loading, poison, etc. ban those too and the mentally ill with murderous intent will come up with something else. But by all means though, keep patting yourself on the back because 8 kids got killed instead of 16. Me... I prefer zero kids get killed.

So now y'all are going to try to get shotguns and revolvers banned????

Yeah!

Idiots!

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The REAL truth is....both of the forum idiots are OWNED.
-BOTH of them have no clue who their owner is.
-They are both card carrying narcissists.
^These are PROVED facts.

Fish Blower is a swine among pigs.
A wimpy little pig sheriff deputy, with a gun: cowered outside the parkland school, did nothing. And gets an 8500$ a month pension.
Anybody read the miami herald interview with nikolas cruz's brother? The kid gave so many warning signs. And the lazy police types did nothing, allowed it to happen.
Why? Intimidated by the current traitorous, russian supported nra! And our current pro cop, pro gun rights culture!
So: if profoundly obvious mental health issues cant stop a well known kook ass underage nut case like cruz from buying, and owning a deadly weapon:
what can be done to counter this gun lobby mayhem and madness in america?
Hey hysteria girl chumpfdirt bot trolling traitor Mullet Spanker: just shut the fuck up


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It's a democratic hoax

Why bother with another discussion, Trump was bought off directly by the NRA and Republicans are two pussified to stand on their own two feet.

Let's change the make up of congress, then take back the White House. It's the only way.

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I was right.

No.

But registration and changes in liability laws regarding the transfer of arms should be changed. 

In other words, when you own a gun you should be responsible for what that gun does even when not in your hands. You are responsible for securing it and transfers should be documented and track-able. Won't stop everything but the careless free-for-all that we have isn't working.

 

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Why exactly should transfers be trackable?

You're out of your mind!

The thing that isnt working is Joe Bidens GUN FREE ZONES!

You really should look and address what IS THE PROBLEM before you attack what is not!

IDIOT!


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The REAL truth is....both of the forum idiots are OWNED.
-BOTH of them have no clue who their owner is.
-They are both card carrying narcissists.
^These are PROVED facts.

IMO most pro gun folks are pro bully.

via GIPHY

However, I guess we are all wrong. It's not a gun problem. It's not a bully problem. It's not a mental health problem. It's a door problem.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2018/05/19/texas-official-says-that-fewer-doors-could-mean-fewer-school-shootings-we-had-experts-weigh-in/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.8b33f740ca8d

SMH

sensible is three pronged approach

a. guns regulations that will help. agree with miker that we need more than feel good laws

b. improve mental health diagnosis and treatment as well as end school bullying

c. doors that lock down and can be centrally controlled, ballistic glass where needed, sro in every school, and unified communication network paid for by additional school tax levied on parents with children in public schools

People have been bullied since time eternal, they didn't start shooting other kids until recently.

Are the bullied mentally ill?

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I was right.

I love the lock down ballistic glass doors idea. Meanwhile teachers are making sweatshop pay.

Yes!! This kid's dad should not only have his gun rights revoked, he should be sent to prison.

Time to enforce the 'well-regulated' part of 2A



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I agree with you that incidents like this should be a case for prosecution and revocation if guns laws are passed in support of that sort of thing. We have to be careful that we only prosecute people that are negligent though. Last thing I want to see is someone go to jail because they had the keys stolen to their gun safe.... that isn't just.

That should still carry some penalty. I would meet you in the middle and say if someone were to pry into a locked safe - otherwise, you need to be held responsible for any access to your weapons used in a crime, One should be in complete control of access to the weaons.

Why? These weapons are made for one thing, and that is to kill. There is no other reason for their invention. Owning one should come with great responsibility - that includes access.



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The owner should bear total responsibility for the deaths caused with their own guns. Unless there is solid proof there was no neglect and all proper security measures were in complete order. Otherwise it is their fault as well. These are the kinds of regulations we are talking about. Regulations that make the owners more accountable. It is really not too much to ask for our children. They should even hold manufacturers accountable. Make sure their customers have the proper means to secure weapons and make sure they are responsible owners.

 My suggestion about metal detectors does something. You brought up pay not me. The two are not correlated at all. Lots of great educators lots of bad ones too again pay has nothing to do with this. Truly dedicated folks understand that in Florida teaching has been and always will be devalued for a lot reasons. Life sucks quit whining about pay.

 The short term solution is secruity upgrades plain and simple. But what do those look like and how does it get done?

It won't get done. There is no money there and you do not want to pay more taxes. Again, this all falls in line with pay and budgets. You're expecting something that is not there, and people are not willing to pay. If we could do this, teachers could get paid more as well. It is related.

 Nope wrong again. Put a line item in the budget for secruity only keep all the pork out of it. Voters will pass it no problem. I will gladly pay any tax that includes all the residents. I will not agree to something that is only on a homeowner, business owner, "wealthy person" etc.

 So help me break this down.

 Average pay for brevard teacher is 44K per year.

 Benefits have to be worth at least 20% of that. So 52,800 per year?

 So I have no idea the required hours to work per week or year.

Is it fair to say that teachers are off 8 weeks a year? Perhaps more?

So is it fair to say teachers earn near 30 per hour when you break it down?

Again not sure how this makes kids safer but would you agree those numbers are close?

If you think public school teachers only work 40 hours a week you are sadly mistaken.

Do we really want to split hairs over the education of out children?

And does anyone think home schooled kids come out ahead in the long run?

If they make $44k, the benefits aren't added to the total, they are subtracted. I looked into getting a job with a Brevard County municipality and the insurance for me was cheap, if I added my family, the cost went up to $800 a month. That would have been a $9,600 hit to the paycheck.

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I was right.

FL teachers get about 8-10k below national average. We are on the low end of teacher pay. But yeah, give billions to security contractors first. Makes no sense. But I'd put money on security measures not stopping school shootings if some kind of gun control regs are not passed. Just look at banks, did armed guards work there? Whens the last time you've seen an armed guard in a bank?

Benefits are deducted? Banks have tellers behind bulletproof glass? Teachers pay is more important than secruity? Some great ideas on how to prevent the next attack!!

Nah, you've overlooked many great ideas posted here in all the school shootings threads we've had here. You are still not getting the point, at all. You're stuck in one way of thinking, totally locked in. I just mentioned some ways, cheap ways, to prevent shootings and guns getting in the hands of kids. *crickets....

 Maybe your right. But with the amount of guns in America and the amount of crazies we have. I can only see extreme secruity measures having an immediate impact. Guns are not going away and were growing crazier by the day so.....

If we are growing crazier, then we need to limit more and have more responsibility and accountability. What makes you think 100% higher security will have a quick impact? So far where armed people were posted it did nothing.

Maybe we can make an effort at being a little less crazy. Bully less, listen more, act sooner and don't have so many guns.

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"The truth is incontrovertible.
malice may attack it,
ignorance may deride it,
but in the end,
there it is." -Sir Winston Churchill

You are absolutely correct. The most meaningful and quickest way to have direct impact would be to instill extreme security measure in schools so they are no longer soft and easy targets.

Paying for it IS the issue as well as some of the parents themselves who oppose it and apparently would rather have children die than to have their children 'feel' like they are in a 'jail' (insert any similar drama llama statement here that you have seen from a parent interview).

So yeah people without kids don't want to pay for it because they already pay 'too much' for schools they never used with their tax money. Parents with kids don't want to pay for it because it is 'unfair' to them to have a special tax levied on them or because they disagree with the solution despite it being their children who would be protected.

Yeah ....metal detectors at all entry ways, SROs in every school, ballistic glass where needed, centrally locking doors (that can also be locked/unlocked from the inside for safety reasons), and improved communication systems would have an immediate and tangible impact while everything else gets sorted out. But umm ...yeah

Never worked for banks. A matter of fact it caused more harm. Not sure where you all get your evidence this will make schools safer. You're just winging it. Like 90% of your posts...

"Children who participate in gun safety programs often ignore what they learned when encountering a real firearm, according to a Rutgers School of Nursing study.

The report, published recently in Health Promotion Practice, reviewed 10 studies on the effectiveness of strategies for teaching gun safety to children ages 4 to 9. The researchers found such programs do not reduce the likelihood that children will handle guns when they are unsupervised, that boys are more likely than girls to ignore gun-safety rules and that few studies exist of gun-safety programs for children beyond the fourth grade.

Included among the findings from previous studies is that 85 percent of gun-owning parents did not practice safe gun storage and 72 percent believed their young children could differentiate a toy gun from a real gun"

Culture, not laws.
Fix that, gun people.

https://www.eurekalert.org/pub...18-05/ru-gsp051518.php

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"The truth is incontrovertible.
malice may attack it,
ignorance may deride it,
but in the end,
there it is." -Sir Winston Churchill

Not exactly breaking news if you are a parent imo. All this does is further prove the point that parents needs to start parenting again and be responsible for their children instead of relying on everyone else to do it for them.... and that parents wanting to parent BE ABLE to parent again without society getting in the way.

It isn't just gun laws and gun culture in this country, is culture in general in this country. Parenting techniques my mother used on me and the old paddle used in grade school by the vp would be considered child abuse now. Society has stripped the tools away from both parents and the school system to effectively discipline and raise children. Instead of teaching children to critically think, they get taught to regurgitate facts. Instead of being taught to deal with problems and conflicts, we coddle them and give them safe spaces. All this has really resulted in is a couple of generations of weak adults and children.

There were guns all over this country when I was a kid, yet school shootings were non existent as compared to now.... yet we only want to blame the guns. It is ludicrous and beyond stupid.

You think they negotiate a $44K a year wage, then add the extra $10K for insurance, so the total equals $54K a year?





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I was right.

 

 

Cameras, locking doors, intercoms, and a control room.

Cameras are getting relatively cheap and effective.

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At what point do we start going after root cause instead of only blaming the tool they choose to use?

17 year old shooter was bullied and picked on for the way he dressed. He didn't shoot the students he liked or that were nice to him. He wanted to kill himself as well.

Yet here we are again, refusing to talk about mental health.

There is no cure for mental illness. But if you're a danger to yourself or others in Florida you are disarmed, and they take away your belt and shoelaces.

That's because when you can't fix the motive, you remove the lethal weapons.

Your willful ignorance on the subject is tiresome, because you rave about mental illness with no plan whatsoever to manage it or prevent the mentally ill from being armed.

You can't prevent mental illness, but you can keep the deadliest of weapons out of the hands of the mentally ill with regulations and restrictions.

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Edited: 05/18/2018 at 08:49 PM by RustyTruck

Refusing to talk about just mental health.
Willing to talk about the mix of mental health issues and guns (don't mix them children)

Another root cause was the presence and availability of these guns in his home.


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"The truth is incontrovertible.
malice may attack it,
ignorance may deride it,
but in the end,
there it is." -Sir Winston Churchill

Edited: 05/18/2018 at 08:05 PM by WG

Another bullied suicidal kid shoots up a school. We need to do more than JUST going after gun laws. It simply isn't enough.

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"The truth is incontrovertible.
malice may attack it,
ignorance may deride it,
but in the end,
there it is." -Sir Winston Churchill

Edited: 05/20/2018 at 10:41 AM by WG

I agree to that too.
I don't think it's just the gun laws that need changing.

I think the culture needs to change more, to get smarter about the exercise of our freedom. The culture should encourage considering the danger and responsibility of owning lethal weapons before buying them and need to lock them the fuck up around children.

Bullying of those perceived as weak or those threateningly different is timeless.
But I wonder if the apparently increasing frequency of the bullied lashing out with effective extreme violence can be correlated with any other trends?


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"The truth is incontrovertible.
malice may attack it,
ignorance may deride it,
but in the end,
there it is." -Sir Winston Churchill

 We don't have many shooting problems in airports or courthouses.

TSA annual budget: 7.55 billion USD Part of that budget comes from a $2.50 per-passenger tax.

How do you suppose we tax to incorporate that kind of security in schools? Then there is insurance and legal fees that will be needed to cover fuck ups, bet that policy will be just as costly as the budget.

Meanwhile teachers don't earn a living wage and you all don't want to pay taxes because nobody deserves a "free lunch."

A lot of the right sided ideas and thoughts contradict their own ideology.

i think
arming up
in response to this
makes it happen more.

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"The truth is incontrovertible.
malice may attack it,
ignorance may deride it,
but in the end,
there it is." -Sir Winston Churchill

Willful ignorance Rusty, really? For fuck sakes, knock the pointless nonsense off. Your discussion has gone way downhill lately. At least post something accurate about me if you are going to go down that route, it plays better. Besides, you know damn well I am for meaningful gun laws that actually have a chance of making an impact. Why you decided to go full retard with your response.... who knows.

Your response to a shooting that had nothing to do with AR style weapons was to regurgitate your same old mantra about going after them. Yeah lot of good that does. There are good ideas that have been mentioned by people on these boards that might actually have meaningful impact. That is where the focus should be rather than pointless nonsense that won't do anything more than make people feel better. Regardless of what is done regarding gun laws.... WE STILL NEED TO ADDRESS ROOT CAUSE.

It is not a this or that issue Rusty. Stop making it into one.

Oh and Rusty ...you also know damn well I am for keeping guns out of the hands of the mentally ill, even seizing them if need be. I mean we have discussed it enough. Well I mean, unless age is catching up to you and your memory went to shit, you "should" know that. So unless the Alzheimer's is getting you, I am not sure why you would make that post in my direction.

You triggered bro?

I'm still waiting to hear your plan to address "the root cause" of mental illness.

In the mean time, unless you think the USA has more mentally ill people than other countries, the obvious difference is the proliferation of unregulated firearms.



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“It is the heart of US policy to use fascism to preserve capitalism while claiming to be saving democracy from communism “ - Michael Parenti

cole you get aggressive with everyone who has a different thoughts why?

 

why do you think more kids shoot up schools now than 30 years ago? there were guns then too and bullies. 

The real question should be why is this happening here in such numbers. Places with 4 times the population of the USA do not have these kinds of stats. They have plenty more mentally ill too. Makes you wonder. Hmmm....

He gets aggressive because he is all or nothing. You are either far left fringe liberal or you are the enemy. Sadly he doesn't realize that his mindset is the exact same as the alt right.

Have republicans attempted to do anything on the national level?

I am tired of kids being murdered. I am tired of the right doing all they can to block any type of legislation. To me the Right and the NRA are the enemy and should be dealt with accordingly.

And I'm not the only one to come to this conclusion, millions of us are done with the do-nothings and plan to make it known in the next election.



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I was right.

A $1 trillion budget was just passed, how much money did they devote to mental illness?

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I was right.

http://www.hhs.gov/about/budge...rief/samhsa/index.html

-$252 million

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I was right.

If they banned guns tommorow how long would the current supply last? Also what does a teacher's salary have to do with anything? Are you suggesting we should raise salaries before implented additional secruity measures? Call me crazy but if I don't like the pay I go find another job.

Everyone has gotten used to it at airports and courthouses it's time schools do the same. What other possible solution could have a faster impact?

then who would teach children. The guards?

Again teacher salaries have nothing to do with this. I imagine as time rolls on schools will become smaller and safer as more will turn to home schools and web based education. Just like shopping brick and mortar schools will one day be gone too. Not anytime soon but it will happen.

It has everything to do with this.

 Really pay teachers more and schools get safer. Who knew? Might as well have the students become complete tools and have them walk out for higher teacher pay. What is the starting pay for a teacher factoring in benefits for the required hours on the job in Brevard? Since were no longer discussing making schools safer.

Talking about how it correlates to your ideas and budgets. What really amazes me is the little respect you have for educators, and that you do not think they deserve a living wage. "They should find jobs with better pay." What a "shit hole" society we would be. We are very fortunate people step up and teach our children for little to nothing. It's amazing actually. You think gun deaths in schools are bad now, imagine us as an even less educated country.

 Ok so it's too expensive for secruity. I guess we will just have to deal with dead kids than.

Well they tried to do this a cheap route and arm teachers, but none of them wanted to have that responsibility on their hands for a measly and still unlivable raise. Since it is expensive, let's do something that costs little to nothing or possibly even make money for mental health programs, regulate guns better. Try it out. If it doesn't work then we know that's not the root of the problem.

Addressing the root cause of mental illness? No Rusty, try again. The root cause IS mental illness in most cases. Even if they aren't legally insane or even diagnosed with mental illness before hand, there are so many instances of chronic depression, people on SSRIs, etc who are involved in this.

Do we have more mentally ill? No idea, do you know? I seriously doubt that there is any actual way to compare because of patient privacy, undiagnosed cases, and simple lack of comprehensive data being collected.

Let me ask you a few questions. Do you think we have top notch mental health care in this country? Do you think we have societal issues other than lack of gun laws that might be contributing to it? Are you so narrow focused that you don't see the sense in going after the other issues IN ADDITION to better gun laws. Put that in caps for you again since you and others seem to miss it.

Let me help you out. No, we do not have a higher incidence of mental illness. Now I'll say again, what is your plan to address all these issues which are causing an epidemic of gun violence which you say is totally unrelated to guns?

You might as well suggest drunk driving has nothing to do with booze.

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“It is the heart of US policy to use fascism to preserve capitalism while claiming to be saving democracy from communism “ - Michael Parenti

I love how people just make shit up. "even if...." Fact: we have 1/4th the population of the some other countries that happen to also have the most mentally ill populations in the world and they have much less amounts of school shootings, almost none compared to us really. The problem is guns, plain and simple. Not doors, mental illness or anything else. Just stop it. So ridiculous.

I love how people just make shit up. "even if...." Fact: we have 1/4th the population of the some other countries that happen to also have the most mentally ill populations in the world and they have much less amounts of school shootings, almost none compared to us really. The problem is guns, plain and simple. Not doors, mental illness or anything else. Just stop it. So ridiculous.

They don't have gunfree school zones!

IDIOT!

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The REAL truth is....both of the forum idiots are OWNED.
-BOTH of them have no clue who their owner is.
-They are both card carrying narcissists.
^These are PROVED facts.

For more making shit up, see above. ^^^

Quit your PATHOLOGICAL LYING you POS commie statist pig!

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The REAL truth is....both of the forum idiots are OWNED.
-BOTH of them have no clue who their owner is.
-They are both card carrying narcissists.
^These are PROVED facts.

That is rich coming from the guy trying to blame it all on the car.

What I don't get about you Rusty and the other dingbats here is that I absolutely agree with you that we need better gun lawns yet you still can't seem to understand that and would rather attack because I think we need MORE than JUST that. Sure we disagree on some of the details, but that is ok as it is part of discourse. Why is wanting to do something more comprehensive make you and the other dingbats so frothy? Rather than embracing common ground you attack like lunatics.

Getting some of these for my Remington



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Dora Hates You

You have the fucking gall to post this after what happened in Tx .... you are truly a fucking clueless asshole!!

Fuck you and see ya!



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"Most people would die sooner than think; in fact, they do." - Bertrand Russell


"Morality is doing what is right, regardless of what you are told. Religion is doing what you are told, regardless of what is right.


If I do not answer you .... nothing personal, I just have you on ignore.

Attack? You came at me with a non sequitur about control of assault rifles not stopping this attack, then you began a familiar refrain about mental illness being the root cause.

Once again, I'm happy to hear your solutions. I'm sticking with gun control, universal background checks, and adding some responsibility for access control for the legal gun owner.

I've actually made contact with and discussed these topics with my local candidates. If you have ideas to address mental illness in a way that reduces gun murder, I invite you to do the same.

You're a natural contrarian mike. You think everyone is arguing with you.

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“It is the heart of US policy to use fascism to preserve capitalism while claiming to be saving democracy from communism “ - Michael Parenti

No, he knows he is just arguing with everyone. I've found this out for sure, 100%, he does this recently when he praised his Prius that he owned in another forum. However, one day on here he was calling me out for owning a Prius. Like it was typical of someone of my political views etc. He's a hypocrite of the highest order. It's been proven on here over and over and over. Yet he persists to say otherwise. The guy is a turd plain and simple. Poop.

Ok Rusty. You called me willfully ignorant about gun laws when I am on your side save for some of the details on how to go about it. Now you are claiming that isn't an attack. Sorry, not buying it.... nor would anyone else who is sensible. Nice try though, but at least own your shit, it is more respectable.

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The REAL truth is....both of the forum idiots are OWNED.
-BOTH of them have no clue who their owner is.
-They are both card carrying narcissists.
^These are PROVED facts.

Well you know Sparky.... parents don't want schools to feel like jails, even if the sacrifice is lives.

I'm still waiting to hear suggestions to address mental health and bullying.

How about Medicare for all so everyone can get treatment?

Support M4A mike and I'll overlook your contrarian nature and buy you a beer.

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“It is the heart of US policy to use fascism to preserve capitalism while claiming to be saving democracy from communism “ - Michael Parenti

Rusty rusty rusty.... Those ideas would increase taxes. They couldn't have any of that now. Don't be foolish.

Unfortunately these school shootings have become a big bandwagon for attention. Media coverage being a driving factor. And as they keep coming and coming the attention they get is subsiding. Meanwhile, as solutions are never reached, the bang wagon / copy cat attention factor may start to wane in light of everyone just taking the attitude, "well, there went another school shooting," and move right along as they've become routine.

That alone may be the straw that breaks the camels back when attention seekers realize that they aren't going to get all that much attention out of schools anymore. Then schools will likely wane and some other means of getting attention will rise from some other source. All while no solutions were ever reached during the process...

Quick show of hands, who has attended a school board meeting in 2018?

They say they can't afford to have an SRO in each school, that's why they want to hire armed "security specialists".

Teachers are paid about 60% of what other professionals with similar levels of education are paid. The so called free market isn't working.

If anyone thinks it's a sweet deal, they are hiring.

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“It is the heart of US policy to use fascism to preserve capitalism while claiming to be saving democracy from communism “ - Michael Parenti

Yeah, we all know teachers don't make enough. That also doesn't have anything directly to do with kids coming into school and blowing other kids away with guns.

Of course he has no clue to what we are talking about. Budgets have everything to do with providing security to schools like the TSA does for airports. Read the thread, moron. More proof this guy is a turd. What's new.

Stoked ---- good call on pointing out the cameras. They are so cheap now that I incorrectly assume schools would have them already and that it would be a bigger priority budget-wise over other things, like new gym equipment for the football team, heh. Bit of a joke, but point was made.....

Top it off we all know there will never be the billions of dollars spent by government in schools like there is in airports. They can't get pencils for crying out loud. You guys are expecting security cameras, right. Two things going against these measures. One, money. Two, not proven to provide personal safety in this kind of environment. Best bet, regulate guns better, a lot more like the DMV for starters.

US children of high school age are 82 times more likely to die from a gun homicide than the rest of the developed world.

Probably because too many doors