Never said I support illegal removal of statues. Not once...

I did not see one person supporting illegal removal of statues. Based on obies comments, he has confused his mind with what my and others message/opinion actually is and has reverted to labels, none of which i am, but call me whatever you want to make yourself feel better, makes no diff to me...



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QOP = Terrorists
FK = Gay

Yep, ripping the statues down is wrong and the people who did it will be charged. Do I understand why they did it? Yes, 100%. Knee jerk reaction seldom end well.

I've never even seen a Confederate statue, are they any in Central Florida?

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I was right.

I don't direct any labels to you, personally, WTF. The only two people I am labeling are Rusty, and Jdbman, because of their support of fascist tactics and/or being guilty of performing them.

I am OK with you supporting the legal removal of these statues. Doesn't mean it doesn't piss me off, to a great extent. The point I was trying to make about the peace statute is, these are the people who want them removed. Yet they are ignorant of history. Like I said, and I would love for someone to do a "boots on the ground" type of investigation,  I'd be willing to bet most in support of removal can't even name one battle, much less the dates of the civil war without Googleing it.

What I am not OK with, is the support of what the left wing terrorists did in VA, in repsonse to a legal, excerscise of the 1st amendmant. I am not OK with being labeled a "Nazi sympathizer" because I am really just supporting the 1st amendmant (even though I've said over and over again these guys are clowns). I am also not OK with the pass given to these terrorists by the media, and therefore gobbled up, and regurtitated by the useful idiots.

This article about a recent NPR pole may surprise you. Seems the liberal media is just whipping their audience into frenzy. How about 44% of African Americans favor leaving the statues in place? https://www.theamericanconservative.com/dreher/trump-is-more-in-touch-than-you-think/

Most of the people with stars and bars flying from their truck couldn't tell you anything about the civil war either.

You don't have to be a civil war school to be justified in wanting them give. You just have to know the basics: The war was fought to preserve the right for one race to own another. 

 

And young obx I actually agree with most of your second paragraph. I support the right of morons to speak freely showing the world what morons they are. This could be Nazi antifa or whomever. In Charlottesville both sides came armed for battle and they got it. Sadly one side stopped it up from battling each other to the murder ofinnocent people 

 

Thank you for proving my point. Although it may be easier to understand it from such a myopic stance, the events that lead to the South not being allowed to secede from the Union are way more complex that that. I tried to list some of the events leading up to in, in the context of that time. But then I was labeled as "justifying slavery" and my attempt flew right over the heads of the myopics.

Most of the people flying the flag aren't doing so because of their knowledge of the Civil War, they are doing it as a symbol of their culture. Just like the rainbow flag flown by the LGBT community. However, the ones condemeing it, don't even know why they are flying it, and falsely eqaute them to treason. Its a damn shame for an entire culutre to be villianized, and removed because of the ignorance of others. This is your vision of America?

I don't understand. What point have I proved?

Then blame the people from your culture that use it as a symbol for their bigotry and continuing calls for war against the USA.

I absolutely do. I said so in the very first post I made on this topic. These guy are fcking douche bags ruinging it.

You guys watch the Dukes of Hazzard? Do you consider them or the show racist? Of course not (at least I hope not), yet the drive a car named the General Lee with a big ol Confederate flag on it. I can't think of a finer example of the other side of the spectrum (as in, different than the fcking WSDs).

wbsponger - you've prove my point of a lot of people not truly understanding the events that lead up to the Civil War by saying "You just have to know the basics: The war was fought to preserve the right for one race to own another" 

Slavery was State rights, independance, pissed off about taxes, economic sanctions, objectified. (Did you guys know the South had strict regulations on who they were allowed to sell cotton too? The North needed it so badly, they sanctioned them from selling it overseas. Is that American?) Its fcking horrible, slavery in itself, but to say "the war was fought to preserve the right for one race to another" is way too much of a simplification and dishonest at best.

BTW, here is a decent write up of the times, pertaining to slavery:

http://www.loc.gov/teachers/classroommaterials/presentationsandactivities/presentations/timeline/expref/slavery/

Its fcking horrible, slavery in itself, but to say "the war was fought to preserve the right for one race to another" is way too much of a simplification and dishonest at best.

Who fucking cares, it was 160 years ago.

You've never even seen these statues you are arguing for, have you?

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Obx It is a simplification but an honest and mainly accurate one. As people have pointed to you can look at the states declarations of causes they speak explicitly about maintaining the right to own slaves as a primary reason for succession amongst some other lesser arguments. 

Yes there were some other reasons mixed in there, but the driving factor was preserving their economic way of life via slavery. You seem to be preoccupied with proving this distinction that makes no difference. 

8 years of oblama and now your panties are up your ass about ffiinnnggg statues, newsflash nobody cares except you pussies

The Southern heritage pussies?

Please read, note the treatment/position of the North pertaining to Slavery both before, during and after. Please also note the actual reason they were freed:

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/aia/part4/4p2967.html

"My favorite Civil War era monuments are the 13th, 14th, and 15th Amendments."
David Tanenhaus, Professor of History and Law, UNLV

There is a really big confederate monument in front of the Palatka courthouse.

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"One of the reasons why propaganda tries to get you to hate government is because it's the one existing institution in which people can participate to some extent and constrain tyrannical unaccountable power." Noam Chomsky.

So this is just heritage? So the question is, why would someone want to claim traitors and losers as their heritage?

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"I remember South Africa in the late 70's, sleeping on the beach at J-bay, smoking ganja with the blacks. On weekends we'd go to the pub in East London to drink beer and fight with the Afrikaners. They liked to fight, I liked to fight. It was a good time"