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I think calling them out when someone says something racist or homophobic is not the same as calling them a racist or homophobe.
I don't know if ya'll are actually any more racist than the average white dude.
I don't know what is in your head.
I only know that a lot of you post a lot of racist shit here.

As far as traitor, well those chips will fall wherever they are when Mueller time hits.


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Originally posted by: WG "As a stark reminder, most, if not all of dictatorships responsible for the deaths of millions were started out by leftist political ideals." Not in the least bit true. Read some fucking history.

Nazis - socialists

Lenin- socialist 

Mao- socialist (later communism)

Kim - socialist (later communism)

Castro - communist 

Tell me history major, which side of the political spectrum are communism and socialism on again?

 

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazism#Position_within_the_political_spectrum

You forgot all of the right wing dictators.

Besides, when right and left go so far, they tend to be indistinguishable.

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Originally posted by: obx2
Originally posted by: WG "As a stark reminder, most, if not all of dictatorships responsible for the deaths of millions were started out by leftist political ideals." Not in the least bit true. Read some fucking history.
Nazis - socialists Lenin- socialist  Mao- socialist (later communism) Kim - socialist (later communism) Castro - communist  Tell me history major, which side of the political spectrum are communism and socialism on again?  
FYI you can have right wing socialists, that's what nazis are. Our country, whether you believe it or not runs on socialist systems. So to note everything as socialist on that list you might as well note our Military, government, highways, sports teams, etc etc.
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Go back a little more.
Most wars were started for church and,or king.
Poor people have been fighting and dying for their rich oppressors for all of human history.

Socialism is recent, but in practice, without democracy to check them men in power usually turn to authoritarian violence.

Not a left thing, a power thing.
What stops it is Democratic ideas.



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Originally posted by: HAPDigital From a friend: "Let's be clear. Racism is the oppression of a racial group by another, inter-personally and institutionally. There is no such thing as "reverse racism". The oppressed group's resentment and resistance is not its own "racism", it is a rightful and just stance toward the oppressor. To decry bigotry and hate "on many sides" is to seek to deny, protect and preserve the power imbalance. "

Bull shit. Explain to me how giving someone preferential treatment based on color of skin or ethnicity is not "racism?"

To sit there and believe there isn't hate and bigotry on both sides is purely a sign of ignorance, stemming from a sense of self righteousness.

I have done nothing but condemn and call out the WSDs for their beliefs and actions. Both sides showed up looking for a fight, and resulted in the death of an American. Yet not one of you will admit that, not one of you condone the violence when it comes from the left. 

"Nothing exists except an endless present in which the party is always right" - 1984

 

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Double bullshit.
That's incredibly and lazily dishonest.

One side showed up to spread hate.
One side showed up to resist it.

Twist and rationalize all you want.
The violence that resulted in the death of that (hate resisting) American woman came from a man who was there to spread the hate.


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You are correct; I don't condone violence from the left.

It's both wrong and hurts the side that resorts to it (as well as, of course, the people that get hurt).

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Originally posted by: SuperTeeBird https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazism#Position_within_the_political_spectrum

 

You forgot all of the right wing dictators.

 

Besides, when right and left go so far, they tend to be indistinguishable.

 

Yes!!! And we as a society are being driven further and further to our respective "sides!!"

Im aware that Nazism is related to fascism, which is also considered "right wing." But they rose to power under the guise of socialism, that was the point in my statement about "leftist ideals" as in the belief of society being more important than the individual (freedom). Anyways, you are spot on that the extremities are the same in that the individual loses their freedom.

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Originally posted by: obx2
Originally posted by: HAPDigital From a friend: "Let's be clear. Racism is the oppression of a racial group by another, inter-personally and institutionally. There is no such thing as "reverse racism". The oppressed group's resentment and resistance is not its own "racism", it is a rightful and just stance toward the oppressor. To decry bigotry and hate "on many sides" is to seek to deny, protect and preserve the power imbalance. "
Bull shit. Explain to me how giving someone preferential treatment based on color of skin or ethnicity is not "racism?" To sit there and believe there isn't hate and bigotry on both sides is purely a sign of ignorance, stemming from a sense of self righteousness. I have done nothing but condemn and call out the WSDs for their beliefs and actions. Both sides showed up looking for a fight, and resulted in the death of an American. Yet not one of you will admit that, not one of you condone the violence when it comes from the left.  "Nothing exists except an endless present in which the party is always right" - 1984  
"Why is there Black History Month and no month for white history? Because every month is White History Month, that's why. It functions the same as reserving "the benefit of the doubt" for the armed government agent and not the unarmed, black teenager - "but they should be more respectful..." the same as women in short skirts, bullied kids and gay people are "asking for it." It's to avert responsibility for the ones in power. Aversion to Restoration, reform, affirmative action... From antebellum servitude to the 3/5 compromise, from discriminatory Homestead Acts to racialized credit rationing, from the Tuskegee experiment to the AHCA - an entire national heritage has been built on affirmative action for white people, a jingo-nationalist pitch filtered through the semantic lenses of privilege and upward mobility and wrapped in the kitschy luxury of sentimental national pride. But it's great you "have black friends." If you are not working on changing the racist system, you are part of the racist system."
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Originally posted by: WG Double bullshit. That's incredibly and lazily dishonest. One side showed up to spread hate. One side showed up to resist it. Twist and rationalize all you want. The violence that resulted in the death of that (hate resisting) American woman came from a man who was there to spread the hate.

Wrong, one side did not show up to resist, they showed up to fight! What were they resisting? What were they being forced to do? Nothing of relevance, no laws or loss of personal rights/property would of resulted from the WSDs protesting the removal of a statue. Ponder this one, you are  ow considered a racist if you support history. How the fuck do you not see that ("The party is always right, buildings renamed, statues taken down, history rewritten. This shit is straight up Orwellian, and god forbid you protest tat, your labeled a racist. And these WSDs just gave the left all the ammo they need to continue doing so, but I digress)

The best thing the "anti-protesters" could of done was ignore or make fun of. Instead, they came looking for a fight, and gave these clowns way more of a spotlight.

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Originally posted by: obx2
Originally posted by: WG Double bullshit. That's incredibly and lazily dishonest. One side showed up to spread hate. One side showed up to resist it. Twist and rationalize all you want. The violence that resulted in the death of that (hate resisting) American woman came from a man who was there to spread the hate.

Wrong, one side did not show up to resist, they showed up to fight! What were they resisting? What were they being forced to do? Nothing of relevance, no laws or loss of personal rights/property would of resulted from the WSDs protesting the removal of a statue. Ponder this one, you are  ow considered a racist if you support history. How the fuck do you not see that ("The party is always right, buildings renamed, statues taken down, history rewritten. This shit is straight up Orwellian, and god forbid you protest tat, your labeled a racist. And these WSDs just gave the left all the ammo they need to continue doing so, but I digress)

The best thing the "anti-protesters" could of done was ignore or make fun of. Instead, they came looking for a fight, and gave these clowns way more of a spotlight.

Only people I saw throwing punches was the nazis. Well until they ran over people, then some got smacked around. Well deserved I must say.
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Originally posted by: HAPDigital
Originally posted by: obx2
Originally posted by: WG Double bullshit. That's incredibly and lazily dishonest. One side showed up to spread hate. One side showed up to resist it. Twist and rationalize all you want. The violence that resulted in the death of that (hate resisting) American woman came from a man who was there to spread the hate.

 

Wrong, one side did not show up to resist, they showed up to fight! What were they resisting? What were they being forced to do? Nothing of relevance, no laws or loss of personal rights/property would of resulted from the WSDs protesting the removal of a statue. Ponder this one, you are  ow considered a racist if you support history. How the fuck do you not see that ("The party is always right, buildings renamed, statues taken down, history rewritten. This shit is straight up Orwellian, and god forbid you protest tat, your labeled a racist. And these WSDs just gave the left all the ammo they need to continue doing so, but I digress)

 

The best thing the "anti-protesters" could of done was ignore or make fun of. Instead, they came looking for a fight, and gave these clowns way more of a spotlight.

 

Only people I saw throwing punches was the nazis. Well until they ran over people, then some got smacked around. Well deserved I must say.

is that all you saw, or all that you've been shown. 

 

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Originally posted by: HAPDigital
Originally posted by: obx2
Originally posted by: HAPDigital From a friend: "Let's be clear. Racism is the oppression of a racial group by another, inter-personally and institutionally. There is no such thing as "reverse racism". The oppressed group's resentment and resistance is not its own "racism", it is a rightful and just stance toward the oppressor. To decry bigotry and hate "on many sides" is to seek to deny, protect and preserve the power imbalance. "
Bull shit. Explain to me how giving someone preferential treatment based on color of skin or ethnicity is not "racism?" To sit there and believe there isn't hate and bigotry on both sides is purely a sign of ignorance, stemming from a sense of self righteousness. I have done nothing but condemn and call out the WSDs for their beliefs and actions. Both sides showed up looking for a fight, and resulted in the death of an American. Yet not one of you will admit that, not one of you condone the violence when it comes from the left.  "Nothing exists except an endless present in which the party is always right" - 1984  
"Why is there Black History Month and no month for white history? Because every month is White History Month, that's why. It functions the same as reserving "the benefit of the doubt" for the armed government agent and not the unarmed, black teenager - "but they should be more respectful..." the same as women in short skirts, bullied kids and gay people are "asking for it." It's to avert responsibility for the ones in power. Aversion to Restoration, reform, affirmative action... From antebellum servitude to the 3/5 compromise, from discriminatory Homestead Acts to racialized credit rationing, from the Tuskegee experiment to the AHCA - an entire national heritage has been built on affirmative action for white people, a jingo-nationalist pitch filtered through the semantic lenses of privilege and upward mobility and wrapped in the kitschy luxury of sentimental national pride. But it's great you "have black friends." If you are not working on changing the racist system, you are part of the racist system."

HAP, the system literally gives you preferential treatment if you are black. You are literally given preferential treatment based on color of your skin. But you would go ape shit if we took that out of the system, wouldn't you...

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Originally posted by: obx2
Originally posted by: HAPDigital
Originally posted by: obx2
Originally posted by: HAPDigital From a friend: "Let's be clear. Racism is the oppression of a racial group by another, inter-personally and institutionally. There is no such thing as "reverse racism". The oppressed group's resentment and resistance is not its own "racism", it is a rightful and just stance toward the oppressor. To decry bigotry and hate "on many sides" is to seek to deny, protect and preserve the power imbalance. "
Bull shit. Explain to me how giving someone preferential treatment based on color of skin or ethnicity is not "racism?" To sit there and believe there isn't hate and bigotry on both sides is purely a sign of ignorance, stemming from a sense of self righteousness. I have done nothing but condemn and call out the WSDs for their beliefs and actions. Both sides showed up looking for a fight, and resulted in the death of an American. Yet not one of you will admit that, not one of you condone the violence when it comes from the left.  "Nothing exists except an endless present in which the party is always right" - 1984  
"Why is there Black History Month and no month for white history? Because every month is White History Month, that's why. It functions the same as reserving "the benefit of the doubt" for the armed government agent and not the unarmed, black teenager - "but they should be more respectful..." the same as women in short skirts, bullied kids and gay people are "asking for it." It's to avert responsibility for the ones in power. Aversion to Restoration, reform, affirmative action... From antebellum servitude to the 3/5 compromise, from discriminatory Homestead Acts to racialized credit rationing, from the Tuskegee experiment to the AHCA - an entire national heritage has been built on affirmative action for white people, a jingo-nationalist pitch filtered through the semantic lenses of privilege and upward mobility and wrapped in the kitschy luxury of sentimental national pride. But it's great you "have black friends." If you are not working on changing the racist system, you are part of the racist system."
HAP, the system literally gives you preferential treatment if you are black. You are literally given preferential treatment based on color of your skin. But you would go ape shit if we took that out of the system, wouldn't you...
Go back to school bud. You're exactly what the 1% of the population wants, ignorant. Actually, nowadays, you'd get an even better education about equal opportunity and race in the military. Go join the Army. it will do you some good.
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Communism is the most deadly ideology that has ever existed, yet the left harbors them.
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Originally posted by: HAPDigital
Originally posted by: obx2
Originally posted by: HAPDigital
Originally posted by: obx2
Originally posted by: HAPDigital From a friend: "Let's be clear. Racism is the oppression of a racial group by another, inter-personally and institutionally. There is no such thing as "reverse racism". The oppressed group's resentment and resistance is not its own "racism", it is a rightful and just stance toward the oppressor. To decry bigotry and hate "on many sides" is to seek to deny, protect and preserve the power imbalance. "
Bull shit. Explain to me how giving someone preferential treatment based on color of skin or ethnicity is not "racism?" To sit there and believe there isn't hate and bigotry on both sides is purely a sign of ignorance, stemming from a sense of self righteousness. I have done nothing but condemn and call out the WSDs for their beliefs and actions. Both sides showed up looking for a fight, and resulted in the death of an American. Yet not one of you will admit that, not one of you condone the violence when it comes from the left.  "Nothing exists except an endless present in which the party is always right" - 1984  
"Why is there Black History Month and no month for white history? Because every month is White History Month, that's why. It functions the same as reserving "the benefit of the doubt" for the armed government agent and not the unarmed, black teenager - "but they should be more respectful..." the same as women in short skirts, bullied kids and gay people are "asking for it." It's to avert responsibility for the ones in power. Aversion to Restoration, reform, affirmative action... From antebellum servitude to the 3/5 compromise, from discriminatory Homestead Acts to racialized credit rationing, from the Tuskegee experiment to the AHCA - an entire national heritage has been built on affirmative action for white people, a jingo-nationalist pitch filtered through the semantic lenses of privilege and upward mobility and wrapped in the kitschy luxury of sentimental national pride. But it's great you "have black friends." If you are not working on changing the racist system, you are part of the racist system."
HAP, the system literally gives you preferential treatment if you are black. You are literally given preferential treatment based on color of your skin. But you would go ape shit if we took that out of the system, wouldn't you...
Go back to school bud. You're exactly what the 1% of the population wants, ignorant. Actually, nowadays, you'd get an even better education about equal opportunity and race in the military. Go join the Army. it will do you some good.

Oh, so I'm ignorant now, huh?

The fact is, nothing I said in my last post was incorrect. But, I'm ignorant?

You ride this moral high horse about slavery, something that ended over 150yrs ago and not one of us, much less our great grandfathers owned slaves or were slaves. None of us has been effected by it, or even participated in it.  You'll scream and call for the removal of statues, because of their relationship to slavery, but turn a blind eye to the fact Washington owned slaves. You blame the white man for slavery, but are ignorant to the fact it was a black man who was the first slave owner in this country. The amount of racism in this country pales in comparison to what it was in the 60s (well, maybe not so much anymore thanks to all of this "progress"). Now, the left has given the WSDs even more of a spotlight, and are stirring up their masses even more. Which will be met with even more violence, which you support. But, I'm the ignorant one.

We are literally watching history being removed/whitewashed, we literally have a party in place that "is always right," and any opposition is met with force. And we literally have a media/propaganda machine in full effect broadcasting narratives instead of reporting, and any reporting had a strong bias to it. The one and only dissenting news source is ridiculed, and any factual reporting done by them is delegitimizated because of the source. Now, we have an "event" that is in danger of being the catalyst, for it gives the Left a false flag to rally against (let's blame Trump! Let's blame "white privilege!" See, look at all these racists that must be stopped, and anyone who believes in historical preservation and/or opposing views is one of them....attack!!!!)

Lest History is repeating itself....

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Originally posted by: obx2
Originally posted by: HAPDigital
Originally posted by: obx2
Originally posted by: HAPDigital
Originally posted by: obx2
Originally posted by: HAPDigital From a friend: "Let's be clear. Racism is the oppression of a racial group by another, inter-personally and institutionally. There is no such thing as "reverse racism". The oppressed group's resentment and resistance is not its own "racism", it is a rightful and just stance toward the oppressor. To decry bigotry and hate "on many sides" is to seek to deny, protect and preserve the power imbalance. "
Bull shit. Explain to me how giving someone preferential treatment based on color of skin or ethnicity is not "racism?" To sit there and believe there isn't hate and bigotry on both sides is purely a sign of ignorance, stemming from a sense of self righteousness. I have done nothing but condemn and call out the WSDs for their beliefs and actions. Both sides showed up looking for a fight, and resulted in the death of an American. Yet not one of you will admit that, not one of you condone the violence when it comes from the left.  "Nothing exists except an endless present in which the party is always right" - 1984  
"Why is there Black History Month and no month for white history? Because every month is White History Month, that's why. It functions the same as reserving "the benefit of the doubt" for the armed government agent and not the unarmed, black teenager - "but they should be more respectful..." the same as women in short skirts, bullied kids and gay people are "asking for it." It's to avert responsibility for the ones in power. Aversion to Restoration, reform, affirmative action... From antebellum servitude to the 3/5 compromise, from discriminatory Homestead Acts to racialized credit rationing, from the Tuskegee experiment to the AHCA - an entire national heritage has been built on affirmative action for white people, a jingo-nationalist pitch filtered through the semantic lenses of privilege and upward mobility and wrapped in the kitschy luxury of sentimental national pride. But it's great you "have black friends." If you are not working on changing the racist system, you are part of the racist system."
HAP, the system literally gives you preferential treatment if you are black. You are literally given preferential treatment based on color of your skin. But you would go ape shit if we took that out of the system, wouldn't you...
Go back to school bud. You're exactly what the 1% of the population wants, ignorant. Actually, nowadays, you'd get an even better education about equal opportunity and race in the military. Go join the Army. it will do you some good.

Oh, so I'm ignorant now, huh?

The fact is, nothing I said in my last post was incorrect. But, I'm ignorant?

You ride this moral high horse about slavery, something that ended over 150yrs ago and not one of us, much less our great grandfathers owned slaves or were slaves. None of us has been effected by it, or even participated in it.  You'll scream and call for the removal of statues, because of their relationship to slavery, but turn a blind eye to the fact Washington owned slaves. You blame the white man for slavery, but are ignorant to the fact it was a black man who was the first slave owner in this country. The amount of racism in this country pales in comparison to what it was in the 60s (well, maybe not so much anymore thanks to all of this "progress"). Now, the left has given the WSDs even more of a spotlight, and are stirring up their masses even more. Which will be met with even more violence, which you support. But, I'm the ignorant one.

We are literally watching history being removed/whitewashed, we literally have a party in place that "is always right," and any opposition is met with force. And we literally have a media/propaganda machine in full effect broadcasting narratives instead of reporting, and any reporting had a strong bias to it. The one and only dissenting news source is ridiculed, and any factual reporting done by them is delegitimizated because of the source. Now, we have an "event" that is in danger of being the catalyst, for it gives the Left a false flag to rally against (let's blame Trump! Let's blame "white privilege!" See, look at all these racists that must be stopped, and anyone who believes in historical preservation and/or opposing views is one of them....attack!!!!)

Lest History is repeating itself....

Uh civil rights movement just started like yesterday.... In the grand scheme of things 150 years is nothing.
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Originally posted by: obx2
Originally posted by: HAPDigital
Originally posted by: obx2
Originally posted by: HAPDigital
Originally posted by: obx2
Originally posted by: HAPDigital From a friend: "Let's be clear. Racism is the oppression of a racial group by another, inter-personally and institutionally. There is no such thing as "reverse racism". The oppressed group's resentment and resistance is not its own "racism", it is a rightful and just stance toward the oppressor. To decry bigotry and hate "on many sides" is to seek to deny, protect and preserve the power imbalance. "
Bull shit. Explain to me how giving someone preferential treatment based on color of skin or ethnicity is not "racism?" To sit there and believe there isn't hate and bigotry on both sides is purely a sign of ignorance, stemming from a sense of self righteousness. I have done nothing but condemn and call out the WSDs for their beliefs and actions. Both sides showed up looking for a fight, and resulted in the death of an American. Yet not one of you will admit that, not one of you condone the violence when it comes from the left.  "Nothing exists except an endless present in which the party is always right" - 1984  
"Why is there Black History Month and no month for white history? Because every month is White History Month, that's why. It functions the same as reserving "the benefit of the doubt" for the armed government agent and not the unarmed, black teenager - "but they should be more respectful..." the same as women in short skirts, bullied kids and gay people are "asking for it." It's to avert responsibility for the ones in power. Aversion to Restoration, reform, affirmative action... From antebellum servitude to the 3/5 compromise, from discriminatory Homestead Acts to racialized credit rationing, from the Tuskegee experiment to the AHCA - an entire national heritage has been built on affirmative action for white people, a jingo-nationalist pitch filtered through the semantic lenses of privilege and upward mobility and wrapped in the kitschy luxury of sentimental national pride. But it's great you "have black friends." If you are not working on changing the racist system, you are part of the racist system."
HAP, the system literally gives you preferential treatment if you are black. You are literally given preferential treatment based on color of your skin. But you would go ape shit if we took that out of the system, wouldn't you...
Go back to school bud. You're exactly what the 1% of the population wants, ignorant. Actually, nowadays, you'd get an even better education about equal opportunity and race in the military. Go join the Army. it will do you some good.
Oh, so I'm ignorant now, huh? The fact is, nothing I said in my last post was incorrect. But, I'm ignorant? You ride this moral high horse about slavery, something that ended over 150yrs ago and not one of us, much less our great grandfathers owned slaves or were slaves. None of us has been effected by it, or even participated in it.  You'll scream and call for the removal of statues, because of their relationship to slavery, but turn a blind eye to the fact Washington owned slaves. You blame the white man for slavery, but are ignorant to the fact it was a black man who was the first slave owner in this country. The amount of racism in this country pales in comparison to what it was in the 60s (well, maybe not so much anymore thanks to all of this "progress"). Now, the left has given the WSDs even more of a spotlight, and are stirring up their masses even more. Which will be met with even more violence, which you support. But, I'm the ignorant one. We are literally watching history being removed/whitewashed, we literally have a party in place that "is always right," and any opposition is met with force. And we literally have a media/propaganda machine in full effect broadcasting narratives instead of reporting, and any reporting had a strong bias to it. The one and only dissenting news source is ridiculed, and any factual reporting done by them is delegitimizated because of the source. Now, we have an "event" that is in danger of being the catalyst, for it gives the Left a false flag to rally against (let's blame Trump! Let's blame "white privilege!" See, look at all these racists that must be stopped, and anyone who believes in historical preservation and/or opposing views is one of them....attack!!!!) Lest History is repeating itself....
So you are telling me blacks are on the same equal playing field as whites in USA? FYI Your "facts" do not prove you are not ignorant either.
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It is a huge amount of time in US history

Implementing racist policies to combat racism isn't working and it never will
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