For the most part, I've been silent on what happened in Charlottesville. Watching, reading, listening, and thinking. I know I am going to be attacked, but wanted to put this out there:

With all the hatred towards Nazis, KKK, and White Supremacist Douchebags (WSDs), I can't help but draw some stunning similarities by those espousing the hatred, to the objects of target. In fact, some of the very tactics used by the Nazis, KKK, and WSDs are being used against them in the name of "standing up for whats right."

Something I have observed; the BLM protests, the liberal protesting accross the nation over Trump, or the protests at college campuses over conservative speakers, most, if not all of them, resulted in damage to property and/or violence. What realy stands out is, they were allowed to progress with minimal interaction from the government/police. Ferguson was literaly allowed to burn, by those who swore to protect it.

There is a certain "Mob mentality" going on here in America that is clouding any logic, reasoning, or ability to openly discuss opposing views (thus preventing any common ground), I am watching people, Americans none-the-less, do the very same things the Nazis did, under the guise of "acceptance" and "tolerance." And the irony of said tactics and beliefs are lost on them. We are becoming a society that is OK with shutting down the opposition with violence, erasing history, forcing beliefs by scare tactics and/or insults thrown at those who don't believe, and all of this is fueled by a media that does not report facts, but only narratives.

This Mob mentality is the very mentality that allowed the Nazis to gain power. This Mob mentality (whether its under the guise of acceptance, tolerance, civil rights, socialism) is the very thing we all should be aware and cautious of, for its this mentality that has lead to the wrong people gaining power and the deaths of millions all throughout history.

We are watching History repeat itself, and its not the WSDs we should be worried about. Its the ones who are shutting down the opposition, refusing to accept democratically elected officials, insighting violence, damaging property, and free from the rule of law that are always the predecessors of a dark, evil time in history. Once they gain power, only one viewpoint will be accepted and backed by law. Is this really what you guys want?

"America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter and loose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves" ......in the name of progress

Lest History repeat itself........

I hear you but strongly disagree with your conclusions.

How's that for an attack?

Why do you call the nazis etc douchebags? Please give specific reasons. Then state why our "mob mentality" should not oppose them.

Anybody who beligerantly stands by any belief of "self rightousness" because of (insert whatever), is a douchebag in my book.

To be more specific, pertianing to the Nazis/WSDs, I can laugh at them and go abouts my buisness uneffected.  My concern would develope if they are actively violent, actively shutting down events, actively pursuing a goal of dominence either politicaly, socialy, or by force. From my perspective, I can still laugh at them and go abouts my buisness/life uneffected.

It appears there is a ceratin ideology, a certain side of the political spectrum, that are the ones being violent, actively shutting down events, and actively pursuing dominance of opinion. Thus the point of this thread, thats were the concern should be.

I commend you for at least admitting the mob mentality that is going on.

All I know is that the mob mentality was displayed when a group of "people" on their way to Charlottesville, came very close to attacking my family because of a Bob Marley sticker.

In my former job of a news photog. The only hostile groups that I ever encountered were the alt-right. Having stuff thrown at us at Trump events for being the libereal media. Being threatend by the gun freaks for reporting on their rally ( that they sent out press realeses about).

Conversely an anti-hate event had no such display of ass-hatery

We didnt have the option of laughing at them on Saturday. Luckily the state police got there as the storm strooper-wannabe started coming back to us with his modified hiking stick. 

yeah. Its the peaceniks that are the problem.  

 

My friend's grandfather, that stormed Normandy, once told me: If you ever come across a Nazi, punch him. Punch him dead.

Did you read my post? There was quotes around "mob mentality." I'm not sure but I think this fits the definition of a mob.

Or once in a while let him live with a swastika carved on his forehead.

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It's the epitome of white privilege to suggest that there is no problem because it doesn't affect you personally.

Sure, bet Obie can laugh at and walk past the KKK and the Nazis, they aren't after his kind.

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“It is the heart of US policy to use fascism to preserve capitalism while claiming to be saving democracy from communism “ - Michael Parenti

Portland, Oregon has been plagued by mob-of-the-day.  And terrorism on a transit train near a station that I used all the time.  

So far, much more of a white supremacist than a lefty/anarchist problem.  And it's almost entirely white.  Attempts to create minority bogey-mobs aren't credible.

And I don't think George Washington statues are in much danger.

BTW, I think that guy with the triangular logo in the much-reproduced tiki-torch photo has an east European family name that would have marked him for good Viennese and for Nazis as an undesirable Slav, at best a second-rate human, suitable for manual labor and not much more.  The Prussian estate system in East Prussia, a.k.a. Poland, was somewhat comparable to the plantation system in the US, with serfs instead of slaves.  Someone did a good Phd dissertation on the subject some years ago.  

Though I don't think George liked statues, or was that just heads on coins?

Washington's family refused to have him buried under the Capitol dome.  If you can wangle permission, the intended burial site is still there, a floor beneath the "crypt" where tourists are welcomed.  

Washington statues popped up all over, including bare-chested Roman Washingtons, though I don't think there was ever a Washington in Roman armor, done up like Augustus.  

For those worried about fascism and access to the Washington Post, a good assessment, looking back to the 1930s.  American democracy was wobbly at the time.  Of course some of the right wing think Franklin Roosevelt destroyed the Constitution.  I go along with the consensus that whatever messes he made, he saved the country and won a necessary war.  

Its the epitome of self righteous arrogance and ignorance to not recognize this shit happens on both sides of the spectrum, and soley think one side is the offender. 

By your logic, can I refer to the ability to riot without consequence, the ability to protest without media backlash, vote for who I want (as long as it's a Democrat), and the ability to speak on college campuses as "Liberal Privilege?" I

Bus- What happened to you and your family is horrible, and again, I a. Not defending the WSDs. All I am asking is for you (as in the hardcore Leftists) on here is to recognize that what happened to you, is no different then being assaulted just because of who you choose to vote for.

Hatred and bigotry can not be fought with hatred and bigotry. Nowhere am I blaming peacenicks. I don't see peace being practiced anywhere on the left side. In fact, Ill go a step further and say, with the exception of the WSDs, I don't see the level of violence or civil unrest the left has been committing nearly equatable to the right. 

As a stark reminder, most, if not all of dictatorships responsible for the deaths of millions were started out by leftist political ideals.

But denouncing, shaming and hating nazis is not bigotry.

All I can say is that I disagree with most of what you are saying, obx. We could get into brass tacks with a weekend of discussion and googling, but that aside...

I know I can't change you and you should perhaps realize you can't change me. I'm an over-educated middle-aged white male who works and pays taxes and obeys the law. I read, watch, think and keep up with current events. I did not start as a liberal and as my graduate degree is in engineering I was not in school with raging philosophy majors. I slowly found my own way into my beliefs. At this stage of life I feel like I am seeing the same shit over and over; there's not much human nature that surprises me anymore. Every person is just a person and I'm allowed to find my own comfort zone no matter what others say or think. No one is qualified to instruct me on my life.

The only person who will change me at this stage is me.

From a friend: "Let's be clear. Racism is the oppression of a racial group by another, inter-personally and institutionally. There is no such thing as "reverse racism". The oppressed group's resentment and resistance is not its own "racism", it is a rightful and just stance toward the oppressor. To decry bigotry and hate "on many sides" is to seek to deny, protect and preserve the power imbalance. "

Bull shit. Explain to me how giving someone preferential treatment based on color of skin or ethnicity is not "racism?"

To sit there and believe there isn't hate and bigotry on both sides is purely a sign of ignorance, stemming from a sense of self righteousness.

I have done nothing but condemn and call out the WSDs for their beliefs and actions. Both sides showed up looking for a fight, and resulted in the death of an American. Yet not one of you will admit that, not one of you condone the violence when it comes from the left. 

"Nothing exists except an endless present in which the party is always right" - 1984

 

You are correct; I don't condone violence from the left.

It's both wrong and hurts the side that resorts to it (as well as, of course, the people that get hurt).

"Why is there Black History Month and no month for white history? Because every month is White History Month, that's why. It functions the same as reserving "the benefit of the doubt" for the armed government agent and not the unarmed, black teenager - "but they should be more respectful..." the same as women in short skirts, bullied kids and gay people are "asking for it." It's to avert responsibility for the ones in power. Aversion to Restoration, reform, affirmative action... From antebellum servitude to the 3/5 compromise, from discriminatory Homestead Acts to racialized credit rationing, from the Tuskegee experiment to the AHCA - an entire national heritage has been built on affirmative action for white people, a jingo-nationalist pitch filtered through the semantic lenses of privilege and upward mobility and wrapped in the kitschy luxury of sentimental national pride. But it's great you "have black friends." If you are not working on changing the racist system, you are part of the racist system."

HAP, the system literally gives you preferential treatment if you are black. You are literally given preferential treatment based on color of your skin. But you would go ape shit if we took that out of the system, wouldn't you...

Go back to school bud. You're exactly what the 1% of the population wants, ignorant. Actually, nowadays, you'd get an even better education about equal opportunity and race in the military. Go join the Army. it will do you some good.

Oh, so I'm ignorant now, huh?

The fact is, nothing I said in my last post was incorrect. But, I'm ignorant?

You ride this moral high horse about slavery, something that ended over 150yrs ago and not one of us, much less our great grandfathers owned slaves or were slaves. None of us has been effected by it, or even participated in it.  You'll scream and call for the removal of statues, because of their relationship to slavery, but turn a blind eye to the fact Washington owned slaves. You blame the white man for slavery, but are ignorant to the fact it was a black man who was the first slave owner in this country. The amount of racism in this country pales in comparison to what it was in the 60s (well, maybe not so much anymore thanks to all of this "progress"). Now, the left has given the WSDs even more of a spotlight, and are stirring up their masses even more. Which will be met with even more violence, which you support. But, I'm the ignorant one.

We are literally watching history being removed/whitewashed, we literally have a party in place that "is always right," and any opposition is met with force. And we literally have a media/propaganda machine in full effect broadcasting narratives instead of reporting, and any reporting had a strong bias to it. The one and only dissenting news source is ridiculed, and any factual reporting done by them is delegitimizated because of the source. Now, we have an "event" that is in danger of being the catalyst, for it gives the Left a false flag to rally against (let's blame Trump! Let's blame "white privilege!" See, look at all these racists that must be stopped, and anyone who believes in historical preservation and/or opposing views is one of them....attack!!!!)

Lest History is repeating itself....

Uh civil rights movement just started like yesterday.... In the grand scheme of things 150 years is nothing.

So you are telling me blacks are on the same equal playing field as whites in USA? FYI Your "facts" do not prove you are not ignorant either.

you would just love to be a black man in this world, right? The system, our government, society has discriminated against, cheated the black as part of law up until recently. It is still widespread on a personel basis by idividuals in law enforcement and government and business.

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"I remember South Africa in the late 70's, sleeping on the beach at J-bay, smoking ganja with the blacks. On weekends we'd go to the pub in East London to drink beer and fight with the Afrikaners. They liked to fight, I liked to fight. It was a good time"

Yeah, he failed to realize whites are given preferential treatment when they are born. When's the last time Obx had a real conversation with anyone of a different color than himself? Like a real conversation. Not an argument about what's wrong with their "preferential treatment." NEVER All this talk about hearing both sides. It's BS.

"Yeah, he failed to realize whites are given preferential treatment when they are born."

I guess White babies get softer, cleaner blankets in their bassinet!

Coleslaw award for you!

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Yeah and those white babies will never be told to "get over slavery" or be affected by negative stereotypes that have be ingrained into our country that people believe them to be fact. White babies will never be labeled terrorists in their life time or be monitored more by store security than other people while shopping. White babies will not have a statistic with very poor odds to whether or not they will go to jail in their lifetime. But yeah, it's just about the blankets.

Go back to school crankit. Your ignorance is deep and it shows.

Some types of ideology and associated  behavior deserve to be shut down by way of the perverse morality associated with it. 

Any/all of the parties in opposition have the moral high ground under all circumstances - period..

How to shut them down - permanently?

.... "By any means necessary".......

 

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There are NO white people at all in the Bible... take all the time you need with that...
Please stop feeding the trolls - they will go away if you do...

 No it is not, I agree. Hating every Trump supporter because they voted for Trump is. Calling someone a racist, traitor, homophobic, or whatever just because they don't agree with you, without actually knowing them, is.

"As a stark reminder, most, if not all of dictatorships responsible for the deaths of millions were started out by leftist political ideals."

Not in the least bit true.
Read some fucking history.


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"The truth is incontrovertible.
malice may attack it,
ignorance may deride it,
but in the end,
there it is." -Sir Winston Churchill

Nazis - socialists

Lenin- socialist 

Mao- socialist (later communism)

Kim - socialist (later communism)

Castro - communist 

Tell me history major, which side of the political spectrum are communism and socialism on again?

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazism#Position_within_the_political_spectrum

You forgot all of the right wing dictators.

Besides, when right and left go so far, they tend to be indistinguishable.

Yes!!! And we as a society are being driven further and further to our respective "sides!!"

Im aware that Nazism is related to fascism, which is also considered "right wing." But they rose to power under the guise of socialism, that was the point in my statement about "leftist ideals" as in the belief of society being more important than the individual (freedom). Anyways, you are spot on that the extremities are the same in that the individual loses their freedom.

FYI you can have right wing socialists, that's what nazis are. Our country, whether you believe it or not runs on socialist systems. So to note everything as socialist on that list you might as well note our Military, government, highways, sports teams, etc etc.

I think calling them out when someone says something racist or homophobic is not the same as calling them a racist or homophobe.
I don't know if ya'll are actually any more racist than the average white dude.
I don't know what is in your head.
I only know that a lot of you post a lot of racist shit here.

As far as traitor, well those chips will fall wherever they are when Mueller time hits.


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"The truth is incontrovertible.
malice may attack it,
ignorance may deride it,
but in the end,
there it is." -Sir Winston Churchill

Go back a little more.
Most wars were started for church and,or king.
Poor people have been fighting and dying for their rich oppressors for all of human history.

Socialism is recent, but in practice, without democracy to check them men in power usually turn to authoritarian violence.

Not a left thing, a power thing.
What stops it is Democratic ideas.



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"The truth is incontrovertible.
malice may attack it,
ignorance may deride it,
but in the end,
there it is." -Sir Winston Churchill

Double bullshit.
That's incredibly and lazily dishonest.

One side showed up to spread hate.
One side showed up to resist it.

Twist and rationalize all you want.
The violence that resulted in the death of that (hate resisting) American woman came from a man who was there to spread the hate.


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"The truth is incontrovertible.
malice may attack it,
ignorance may deride it,
but in the end,
there it is." -Sir Winston Churchill

Wrong, one side did not show up to resist, they showed up to fight! What were they resisting? What were they being forced to do? Nothing of relevance, no laws or loss of personal rights/property would of resulted from the WSDs protesting the removal of a statue. Ponder this one, you are  ow considered a racist if you support history. How the fuck do you not see that ("The party is always right, buildings renamed, statues taken down, history rewritten. This shit is straight up Orwellian, and god forbid you protest tat, your labeled a racist. And these WSDs just gave the left all the ammo they need to continue doing so, but I digress)

The best thing the "anti-protesters" could of done was ignore or make fun of. Instead, they came looking for a fight, and gave these clowns way more of a spotlight.

Only people I saw throwing punches was the nazis. Well until they ran over people, then some got smacked around. Well deserved I must say.

is that all you saw, or all that you've been shown. 

 

Communism is the most deadly ideology that has ever existed, yet the left harbors them.

It is a huge amount of time in US history

Implementing racist policies to combat racism isn't working and it never will

Again there is no reverse racism. Affirmative action is not racist. Read my original 2 posts that Ob responded to. If you believe so, you are as ignorant as Obx.

Disagree, using race as a criteria for anything is racism

So says the privileged white person.

LMAO...

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QOP = Terrorists
FK = Gay

Apparently he's never read the definition of racism.

Yeah, i cannot tell which is funnier - that she has no clue the definition of the word, or the continued arguing that magnifies her stupidity.


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QOP = Terrorists
FK = Gay

^^^^^^^

I'm Greg Graffin would object to being used as a prop for Nazis.

Affirmative action is the very definition of racism.

Um, no. If their race was superior, they wouldn't need help up the ladder.

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I was right.

There is a reason that Colin Powell and Condi Rice support it.

So I went and read what they thought about it. This is an interesting read about Condi. I wasn't aware that she grew up in Alabam during what could be considered their most vile time in history (pertaining to racism). There are snippets that support both side of this discussion.

 "I would rather be ignored than patronized," I said, pointing to the tendency of the Democratic Party to talk about "women, minorities, and the poor." I hated identity politics and the self-satisfied people who assumed that they were free of prejudice when, in fact, they too could not see beyond color to the individual.

http://www.ontheissues.org/Celeb/Condoleezza_Rice_Civil_Rights.htm

Things are complex.

I believe it's not super easy to be black in this country...for many.

Not easy for people of any color, why do you insist leaving out the whole picture?

Also, keep in mind, these are snippets pulled and picked from one politician with an self serving agenda, not a representation of the entire group. The old "well this black person says" thing is more white privilege talking. Do yourself a favor, go to the library and start reading Black history. Go out and talk to people, actual black people in black communities. Learn, not just from what supports your point of view picked from the internet. Again, joining the military is a great way to learn about racism, privilege etc. The military's Equal Opportunity institute is second to none and they really stress ethics. I think it is one of the greatest things I took away from my time in the Army.

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Um, no. If their race was superior, they wouldn't need help up the ladder. OH MY GOD... DO WHITE people need help up the ladder???? DO THEY??? Or do they have Privilege so that they don't need the same help that a non-white needs??? Is there such a thing as white privilege??? The Progressives believe so... they think the poor dark races NEED HELP UP THE LADDER, We WHITES ARE PRIVILEGED and don't need help up the ladder. AND HERE IT IS THE DEFINITION OF RACIST: IF The RACE IS SUPERIOR it doesn't need help up the ladder. Which leaves us with IF THE RACE IS INFERIOR IT DOES NEED help up the ladder.. There are many Progressives saying that NAZIS should not have rights... Lets start with the NAZIS that believe the white race is superior and so needs no help like those other Races...

 

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Says the racist

Says the uneducated fool.

You see the salon article saying gucifer 2.0 was not a Russian hack?

Bahahaahha

well your policies are fueling the current environment, so reap what you sow

prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one's own race is superior:

Don't see anything about white people in there

OMG SMH you are thick. You just don't get it. You just typed in the reason why affirmative action is not racist yet you still think it is.

Affirmative action is discrimination based on race. Your thinking is why trump is president now

Affirmative Action: an action or policy favoring those who tend to suffer from discrimination, especially in relation to employment or education; positive discrimination.

Something cannot be racist if it is helping a small group that suffers from racism. Whites do not suffer from racism, nor do they have disadvantages because of race. To say so is privileged and or ignorant.

Guess it will all end when whites are the minority

That's a racist statement as you can get.

HAPDigital Posts: 1970 Joined: 11/29/2004

Again there is no reverse racism Affermative Action: Positive discrimination HAHAHAHA,,, you BE-LIEVE this shit... Thats whats so funny, they switched glasses when your back was turned, drink the kool-aid... hahahah

 

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and how's that working out? Really helping bridge the gap eh?

Poor whites definitely suffer

Asians suffer as well

Help low income people, race does not matter

What are poor whites suffering from? I was a poor white from the worst of situations. How does affirmative action effect them? It doesn't. Nobody is racist against whites not a far as institutional racism in our country.

Do me a favor. Please explain when racism towards blacks ended in this country and when its effects finished. Show, with supporting data and peer-reviewed studies supporting your argument, when the effects of the hundreds of years of anti-Black racism from chattel slavery through Old Jim Crow leveled off. Show when the wealth expropriated during that oppression was repaid to those it was expropriated from and through. And remember, after you've addressed the end of anti-Black racism you'll still have to explain when anti-Latin, anti-Asian, anti-Arab, and anti-Native racism came to an end as well.

Black haters are, go to Dallas Texas and experience the ignorance on display from the black racists, in conjunction with La Raza those 2 groups are the most racist anywhere

That a thread that started out bashing those who want to stop celebrating the losers in the war to expand the enslavement of African people has degenerated into another round of white racism apologetics tells us all we need to know about the motivation for the post.

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"The truth is incontrovertible.
malice may attack it,
ignorance may deride it,
but in the end,
there it is." -Sir Winston Churchill

ACLU backs down in face of Twitter’s wrath for pic of white baby holding US flag

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Romans 8;18-32 John 3;16-18

Fox news are such snowflakes.

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"The truth is incontrovertible.
malice may attack it,
ignorance may deride it,
but in the end,
there it is." -Sir Winston Churchill

Fox viewers weren't the ones going batshit on twitter!

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And I just looked at the twitter thread and you are even wrong about this. I see a few people, pointing out that with the ACLU recently getting so much shit for supporting the Nazi's right to march, posting a pic that could be read as saying that what we want for the future is cute blonde white kids might be a little confusing message wise. Most of the batshit comments are from Trumpanista trolls too stupid to get the point. If one can't handle a reasonable level of discussion about this sort of thing, then perhaps one shouldn't follow the ACLU on twitter.


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"The truth is incontrovertible.
malice may attack it,
ignorance may deride it,
but in the end,
there it is." -Sir Winston Churchill

crankit, are you on twitter? I'll follow you!

No interest in the social media sites!

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Right, so you know that Twitter is a thing, but nothing beyond that. Cool.

no they are the ones reposting stupid shit like this on surf forums.

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"The truth is incontrovertible.
malice may attack it,
ignorance may deride it,
but in the end,
there it is." -Sir Winston Churchill

And Fox news stokes the flames pushing this BS twitter rant out to all the little trolls.

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“It is the heart of US policy to use fascism to preserve capitalism while claiming to be saving democracy from communism “ - Michael Parenti

This is a social media site.
And you posted regarding another.
Seems like interest to me.

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"The truth is incontrovertible.
malice may attack it,
ignorance may deride it,
but in the end,
there it is." -Sir Winston Churchill