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Topic Title: Mini Simmons questions
Topic Summary: Thinking of ordering one
Created On: 04/10/2018 11:03 AM
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 04/10/2018 11:03 AM
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Julianuribe23

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With summer quickly approaching, I'm looking to add a new sled that will make surfing small slop fun. I mostly ride shortboards, so I'm a bit stubborn about hopping onto a longboard/funboard (although I'm considering getting a 8' soft top to compliment my Simmons).

 

Im considering getting a soap box/mini Simmons but I have a few concerns 

 

1.) what's the best way to size them? I don't want it to feel very clunky and unresponsive but I also don't want to sacrifice the glide and drive thats needed for summer slop. I'm 5'10 @ 175lbs and plan on using it in 1-4ft surf in mushy/flat faces.

2.) How does a twin keel compare to a quad or even a 2+1 set up?

 

I used to have a 5'4 Lost RV (28.5L) quad as my small wave board . It liked lined up mushy surf and handled some punchy sections but it lacked glide in very small summer surf and would sometimes slide out when pumping or doing turns . I've also ridden my roommate's 6'6 soft top fish and have been have been able to surf waves that are barely shortboardable ... but it's too clunky and unresponsive to do anything other than go down the line and ride white wash. I'm pretty much looking for a happen medium between these two boards.

 

PS: I usually ride 28-29L shortboards in fun/good waves in the 4-8ft range 



Edited: 04/18/2018 at 06:50 AM by Julianuribe23
 04/10/2018 02:22 PM
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Kimo63

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I've been looking at this board for a while , but have not pulled the trigger. My vote for you would be the 5'10" , it has more vol then you are used to , but that's what this board needs. I'm 200lbs and am looking at the 6'2" . Stick to riding it as a Quad , that's where the speed and fun is .
 04/10/2018 02:23 PM
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Kimo63

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I've been looking at this board for a while , but have not pulled the trigger. My vote for you would be the 5'10" , it has more vol then you are used to , but that's what this board needs. I'm 200lbs and am looking at the 6'2" . Stick to riding it as a Quad , that's where the speed and fun is .
 04/10/2018 02:23 PM
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Kimo63

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I've been looking at this board for a while , but have not pulled the trigger. My vote for you would be the 5'10" , it has more vol then you are used to , but that's what this board needs. I'm 200lbs and am looking at the 6'2" . Stick to riding it as a Quad , that's where the speed and fun is .
 04/10/2018 02:23 PM
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Kimo63

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I've been looking at this board for a while , but have not pulled the trigger. My vote for you would be the 5'10" , it has more vol then you are used to , but that's what this board needs. I'm 200lbs and am looking at the 6'2" . Stick to riding it as a Quad , that's where the speed and fun is .
 04/10/2018 03:21 PM
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jeff kennedy

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I'm 6ft and 190lbs, I ride a 5'6". Great for small surf but really can affect your shortboarding abilities.

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 04/10/2018 05:05 PM
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fredman

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Not all mini simmons are the same.  Get one from someone who shapes one fairly regularly.  I've seen some hideous ones from guys who don't make them regularly.

I'm 5'11 and about 155.  

I had a quad version from Rob Lion that was a really great board.  It was 5'4" x 21.5 or so and 2 5/8.  I used it as my dedicated small wave board / longboard-beater.  Great board.  

Wanted to scale down just a bit on the next one.  Rob was out of town at the time; so, went with Larry Mayo.

Got the Tug remix quad at 5'3" a little over 21" by 2.5."  This one is just as good (maybe better) than the first -- didn't lose any of the glide or paddling in the minor downsize.  I could probably go even shorter but like the 5'3" for the really small stuff and paddling.  When I surf this board in small waves, I often have people ask me what I'm riding and comment on how good it looks like it's going.  I'm a fairly average surfer; it's just the right board for the job.

For reference, my buddy who is an inch or two taller and your weight got one very similar to my Rob Lion but an inch bigger; he loved my 5'4" and got one for himself; he's on the gulf coast and went with Gum surfboards.  I've ridden that board a few times, and it's a great board too.

At your height/weight, I'd go with something from Larry in similar dims to my first 5'3" but might add a touch of thickness since you weigh a bit more.  That way, you get the glide and flow but can still turn it easilly.

Also recently got a slimmed down version of the tug at 5'3" x 19.75" x 2 3/8" ( I think those are the dims).  And that one is really fun too but obviously not as good in tiny waves.

And yes, they might make transitioning back to your normal shortboard difficult; but that's because these are just so much fun, and the easy speed is addicting.

 04/11/2018 11:13 AM
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SonSurf

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Steve Forstal {spelling} made some sick ones . Rode one Gordo made was fun ! So many people call thier board a  mini Simmons  because its short / thick   WHICH THEY ARE NOT .  Mr Haney shapes a rad quad fish performance model and Allen White shapes a performance fish that has the best lines I've ever seen. The concave in the tail and fin placement is key, most just put a panel V in the tail which isn't true to the simmons roots . 

 04/11/2018 04:35 PM
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Kimo63

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https://www.realwatersports.com/collections/vernor-mini-simmons

my money is on Vernor Mini Simmons
 04/11/2018 07:22 PM
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dansan

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Jim dunlop in jax bch....awesome..when I lived there..

But I moved back home in 2016.santa cruz

...Dave vernor makes one of the best modern versions...

I have the mini sim and the wild thing..

Realwater sports has nice inventory of both

 04/13/2018 01:28 PM
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TallPaul

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Originally posted by: jeff kennedy Great for small surf but really can affect your shortboarding abilities.

 

^^^What Jeff said. I prefer quad on most of my shortboards and definetely have to surf the simmons different than my other SBs. My simm is a Martin Jeri 5'8" which I picked up new from anotherride. As a reference I am 6'4" and about 160lbs.

 04/14/2018 09:27 AM
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sharkey

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Not the same but similar-ish is Neilson's Blunt.

Super fun board for the conditions you mention.

I have one you can try if interested.

 04/18/2018 06:53 AM
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Julianuribe23

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Originally posted by: jeff kennedy I'm 6ft and 190lbs, I ride a 5'6". Great for small surf but really can affect your shortboarding abilities.

How would you say that it hinders your shortboarding ability? Is it because it requires you to trim off your backfoot with finesse and result in making it a habit?



Edited: 04/18/2018 at 08:51 PM by Julianuribe23
 04/18/2018 07:00 AM
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tom

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^ this; and,

Anybody want to compare / contrast a mini sims to a fat floaty twin fin fish?

That's my usual summer go to.  The simses look really fun though.  

 

edit:  also note to FREDMAN since I see you're here

I pulled the sidebites out of that bonzer you sold me

upsized the center fin

and rode it all winter and spring as a singlefin pin

wheeee fun, especially in steeper waves, thanks!

 



Edited: 04/18/2018 at 07:06 AM by tom
 04/19/2018 03:39 AM
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RioSirju

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Couple different factors .. it's like transitioning from a pig to a 2+1 longboard. Different aspects for different boards, considering the Sims is meant to be ridden as a twin and clunky I'd imagine there would be the first difference. Thruster to twin, unless you're riding performance twins.. secondly paddling speed, float, tail width of a mini simmons don't apply as well to a standard hi pro thruster. 

Justmy opinion usually riding logs and retros then getting on a performance board.

there's concave / rocker differences when going back to the performance board.

 

 

All in all if you are consistently riding different equipment you will adjust faster and get back into your flow 

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