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Topic Title: Sand Topic Summary: Definitive photographic evidence Created On: 10/19/2017 11:30 AM |
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10/22/2017 03:55 PM
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Sorry, but those boards were terrible.
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10/22/2017 04:50 PM
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Respectfully, we don't agree with those of you who downplay the importance of First Peak to the community. There used to be ESA, NSSA and WQS contests every year. The King of the Peak contest used to draw world ranked surfers from all over the globe. The surfing media world was lit up with shots of First Peak on a regular basis. And just look at the list of champion surfers First Peak bred...Crawford, Slater, Holland, Anderson, Hobgood 2x, Lopez 2x, Morcom, Kechele, Melhado... We're trying to restore First Peak for our children and give them the chance to become the new breed of champions. We think it's sad and utterly selfish that a few grumpy old men only think about themselves and how good they had it. Well, apologies ahead of time guys, and we hate to burst your bubble, but the FPP is not about you. ------------------------- The First Peak Project is a 501(c)(3) public benefit organization whose mission is to restore the legendary wave First Peak at Sebastian Inlet to its former glory.
Edited: 10/22/2017 at 05:59 PM by TheFirstPeakProject |
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10/22/2017 05:56 PM
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This is a benefit to the surfing community. Isn't this a surfing forum? If we are not the ones to be good stewards for surfing, who is? Why would we not try to promote something that would improve surfing conditions at the inlet? This is something that could be designed to help stabilize the jetty, improve surfing conditions, provide structure for fish habitat, and give people a chance to surf a legendary wave. |
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10/22/2017 06:53 PM
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I'm all for it, knock yourself out.
I'm just jealous I was never one of the ten, though I did score some epic days thanks to no internet. ------------------------- I was right. |
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10/23/2017 12:48 AM
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Now, one thing pumphouses are good for (in terms of improving surf) are the southside breaks of inlets. Think about Reef Road and outside Boynton Inlet. When they pump sand to the southside, the sand fills in and creates kind-of a point break. The same thing happens when Austrialia pumps sand from D-bah to Snappers. The result is super. So a pumphouse at Sebastian Inlet wouldn't do anything for First Peak, but Monster Hole could line up from up-top to jungle trail. Yew.
If anyone is familiar with the Mayport poles break, I surfed there the last time they dredged the St Johns and transferred the filtered sand material south of the Jetty, and what it created was an amazing rippable left. This was back in late winter/early spring 2015. Crazy good wave. |
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10/23/2017 04:29 AM
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It still happens every once in awhile, a couple years back https://youtu.be/2EdoURlF1qc
------------------------- The Wavecaster |
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10/23/2017 06:08 AM
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IIRC, the wedge continued to exist for a few yrs after the rebuild in 2002/03. We then had the 04 hurricanes which did remove a lot of sand from the systems. It seems the wedge started having issues around the time of the post hurricane beach nourishments in 05/06. I wonder if there is a correlation between the amount of exposed un buried reefs in satbe/Indialantic and the inlet wedge. Both obviously affected by the nourishments.
Its possible that redesigning the jetty to increase the reflection could help wash out all that built up sand... or could ruin it even further. Maybe another Sandy type N swell could help things out. Tip's video shows the current potential. I wonder if looking back through old Mamma G posts would help get a timeline of when the wedge started to disappear. |
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10/23/2017 06:42 AM
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Think it was crowded back then in the 70's-80's. It would be just like secret light is now overcrowded and full of kooks . |
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10/23/2017 06:50 AM
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I'm not sure of the timeline of the two photos, but there seems to be significantly more sand today, than there was before the rebuild.
------------------------- I was right. |
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10/23/2017 07:32 AM
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The beach is different, the jetty is different and add all that sand--not good.
------------------------- The Wavecaster |
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10/23/2017 09:04 AM
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Nice comparison Tip. The straight run of the jetty has been removed from the equation. There is nowhere for the reflection to go. All refraction and no bounce.
------------------------- I was right. |
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10/23/2017 10:08 AM
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To be fair Cole, your panorama appears to be from March, which in my experience is about the height of the buildup of sand down there from our winter time north swells. Check out the photo below from August of this year at around low tide. Looks like the water line is somewhere in between the two aerial images that TipTime shared.
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10/23/2017 10:30 AM
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Interesting
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10/23/2017 03:41 PM
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We clearly highlighted the 6 reasons why we cannot do anything regarding the sand and restoring First Peak. Please read the first entry of this thread.
Thank you everyone for posting pictures of the inlet and sand but we have all the pictures we need. We have aerial photography dating back to the 1950s. We have also been photographing the sand in the north fillet since 2008. But we think it's cute that everyone has a point they are trying to make. (On a side note. If you really think your pictures are worth something, then we need the time stamp. We have to go back and tide correct the water level to see where the MSL shoreline is located. Then we have to compare your photo to a photo in our database of the same time period to see if your picture is an anomly or something of interest to us. Chances are it's not.)
------------------------- The First Peak Project is a 501(c)(3) public benefit organization whose mission is to restore the legendary wave First Peak at Sebastian Inlet to its former glory.
Edited: 10/23/2017 at 03:52 PM by TheFirstPeakProject |
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10/23/2017 04:34 PM
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Its great someone has this passion to try to make change to benefit all surfers. My opinion, you are not going to get approval to attach anything to that jetty. I think you need to direct your effort more on the lines of adding native substrate in front of and in between the existing pilings. I think I have read comments suggesting this, but after watching your white board vid on youtube where you suggested space age composite material attached, that's not gonna happen.
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10/23/2017 05:09 PM
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I think the idea is grand, but after watching the video posted by Cole and Tiptime...in both videos I saw an average of 2 turns and 1 person making it out of a tube. Is the time and effort worth more than 2 turns and a 1/100 tube ride????
I can get that kind of ride anywhere in Brevard on a good day. I would say the benefits of having a "world class" wave in FL is worth striving for, but will it really be world class?
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10/23/2017 05:16 PM
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chopla - Before going public with the First Peak Project, we've had conversations with the state park, brevard county and many other entities including the army corps of engineers. Everyone is in agreement with the panels. Here's why: ------------------------- The First Peak Project is a 501(c)(3) public benefit organization whose mission is to restore the legendary wave First Peak at Sebastian Inlet to its former glory.
Edited: 10/23/2017 at 05:39 PM by TheFirstPeakProject |
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10/23/2017 05:27 PM
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realsur4 - First Peak was credited with being the birthplace of aerial surfing. Read the entry in the Encyclopedia of Surfing. If you surfed it before 2000, you would know why. The First Peak Project is a restoration project and our goal is to restore First Peak back to pre-2000 conditions. However, First Peak was created on ACCIDENT. If we go back an engineer a solution on PURPOSE, it is not a stretch of the imagination to consider the wave could be better than it ever was before. However, the First Peak Project is not making that claim. Too many people would doubt us. ------------------------- The First Peak Project is a 501(c)(3) public benefit organization whose mission is to restore the legendary wave First Peak at Sebastian Inlet to its former glory.
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10/23/2017 05:30 PM
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This whole project is a waist of time if the sand removal can't be addressed. Extend the jetty and be done with it. I'd take a Ponce or Ft. Pierce set up any day over what we have now. Unfortunately, I don't see that happening until the Inlet becomes almost unmanagable to navigation. |
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10/23/2017 06:04 PM
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Ya- it's a hokey setup t'boat outta there on even the smallest ground swell depending on untold factors. Extend it, see what happens from a surf perspective, then focus next where feasible. Worst scenario,, the fisherfolk get a speedball, if nothing else, look elsewhere, it's a one man peak t'closeout- build if ya gotta, somewhere else, and,, NEW ------------------------- ola ~ |
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