There's a show on Netflix called Leaf of Faith.
It's about pain and the opioid crisis.
The "host" is one in a family of power lifters who fugged himself up hoisting up record weights. He got hook and then found Kratom.
My wife has Arthritis and Fibromialgia. Late last century, her doc sent her to pain management who put her and others on heavy pain killers. She noticed that she was having a problem and asked him to change her 'script t methadone. Little by little she cut her dosage in half until she was off it. Shortly after, the doc got in trouble and had to close down because patients were dying. Didn't get arrested, just had to stop for a couple years.
My wifey recently got some and she helps a lot. Probably more if she took more, only one at a time.
Fla had made it a schedule 1 narcotic, but after white people bum rushed their representatives, they legalized it.
My joints ache due to years of winter surfing. I take one before bed. I get a good buzz and and my schitt quits hurting.

There is a Kratom bar down the road from my house. We stopped in to check it out one evening, and it was really nice inside. I forget what it was we ordered, but it was 2 drinks, both tasted like ass, but I got a great night sleep that night. 'Bartender' told us, it helped him and his wife get off of opioids.

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Edited: 10/19/2018 at 09:02 AM by worksuxgetsponsered

That's what the guy in the video said. No wonder THEY tried to make it illegal It's grown in Indo and they had a Kratom "expert" saying it'll do much more for you. That WE were doing it all wrong. I wouldn't recommend driving on it. It has a sweet buzz.

Edited: 10/19/2018 at 09:55 AM by SlimyBritches

I stop at a gas station in the middle of nowhere on my way across the state sometimes and noticed that they were selling a bag of Kratom about the size of a small bag of sugar, it is in a powder form, for $89.99 right next to their wall of lighters, crack pipes, blunt wrappers, and beef jerky.

Are you telling me this stuff is as powerful as a mild form of methadone and you can buy it over the counter in an s-hole gas station?

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I've only had it the one time and it was already mixed up into the concoctions; the first drink was in a shot glass and the second was taller long island ice t style glass. Both tasted very organic, like old tea. I didn't get a buzz so to speak, but I did sleep well that night.

It's a root of some sort (I think), so there's really no comparison (chemically) to methadone, that's probably why there's little regulation on who can sell the stuff. If it helps people get off of those effing pills and needles, more power to them!

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We got ours from an on line Fla sanctioned distributor. Capsules. I have a fugged up foot from being stabbed by my fin during Gloria. Got gangrene and had a muscle and artery removed. As I get older, it aches at night. I take one capsule and pains gone.

Never heard of it

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Interesting YouTube of joe rogan talking to an expert about it, seems to be a derivative of morphine with some great results. May have to try it joe used the brand urban ice organics in pill form

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Kratom is like a coffee plant. Ours is PurKratom from Herbal Products. They say the serving size is five. I haven't taken more than one. YET!

Gimmie Drugs!

Canada is right up there waiting!

Sorry, sarcasm intended.

Point taken, then.

90 Deaths

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It said that 7 out of the 91 had only Kratom in their system. But what they don't say is how many died or had to go into rehab from the "Legal" pain management drugs like the ones in my wife's Docs practice.

It's controversial, not much known about interactions or long term effects. I'd to see more real research.

Certainly a promising alternative to opioids.

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Edited: 04/13/2019 at 04:49 PM by RustyTruck

Where is all the profit going to come from if people kick opioids?

Like rusty said, they need to do a fact based study, the idea that people die with it in their systems along with other shit that will truly kill you means nothing.

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Edited: 04/13/2019 at 05:39 PM by Cole

No, it means something. Very little reputable science on this. You are being a guinea pig if you take it. I will stick to the tried and true - beer.

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An article. Actually, all progs should be using it. Maybe up the dose a bit. Seriously though, you don't know what you might be doing to yourself when you take this stuff.

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I have seen this keep people off of opioids in real world situations.

Outlawing it will create serious repercussions.

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Sounds like the Stevia of painkillers.

Yeah...we all know that you hang out with serious drug addicts....

Thats where you get most of your screwed up ideas.

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Yes, I have lost a few good friends to drugs and I know more who struggle with addiction. Good people make bad choices.

I really would like to see you in real life, you know that.

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And physicians once touted heroin and cocaine as a treatments to alcoholism. But, you progs know best. You progs should use it in mass quantities.

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On the netflix program, people were getting off opioids with Kratom.

Now you're just being a dick. That's not necessary.

People were having a serious conversation and you come in with this "prog" BS. Bad form.

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The Asshole is just an idiot who wants to stay an idiot.

Drug users aren't like regular people, they are used to drug levels that would put the average person in the hospital. To them, a 15 mg Oxy is like an aspirin is to me. Those I know who use Kratom feel no effect, the tea simply takes away the urge to pop more pills.



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Just exercising my 1st Amendment rights, gentlemen. Progs hate the 1st Amendment, don't they? At least when someone disagrees with them. In any case, Kratom has not been studied to any degree and no one know what it might do to the human body or mind. Nor is there any scientific evidence that it helps wean humans from drugs or alcohol, according to the FDA. So it might help or it might not or it might help and shorten your life by 10 years. So anyone using this is proceeding at their own risk.

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Or they can continue with the opioids and live till next year.

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Our resident pharmaceutical researcher has given you guys the green light. Happy trails to you kratom users.

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Progs are known for serious self medication.

Usually with illegal/illicit homemade drugs.

Thats what they do!

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Edited: 04/16/2019 at 04:13 PM by Fish Killer

Hey idiot, check the opioid issues in the Red states and get back to me.

If you were ever right about anything, the world would stop spinning. Wait, you do believe the world spins, don't you?



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Soooo what you're claiming is that prog demoshits dont use drugs in Blue States!

Oh I get it...the Blue States DONT HAVE ANY PROG DEMOSHITS!

Could it be possibly that MORE prog demoshits use in Blue States than Red States due to TRUMP DERAMGEMENT SYNDRONE?!?!

Just curious.

My bet is that a Ugggggeeeee majority of prog demoshits use in Blue States!

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-They are both card carrying narcissists.
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No idiot, you said it was a Liberal problem, yet the Red states are dealing with crushing numbers of deaths and heartbreak.

Man it would be nice to slap you right in the face! lol

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LIAR...as usual!

I clearly said:

"Progs are known for serious self medication.

Usually with illegal/illicit homemade drugs.

Thats what they do!"

I NEVER said it was JUST a liberal problem!

EVER!

LEARN HOW TO READ....COLESLAW!

GO BACK TO 3RD GRADE AND LEARN HOW TO READ!!!!!!

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The REAL truth is....both of the forum idiots are OWNED.
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-They are both card carrying narcissists.
^These are PROVED facts.

Progs are known for serious self medication.

But Conservatives aren't?

And if you believe Conservatives are too, why did you highlight Progressives?

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Listen SPICOLI.....

Progs have ALWAYS been the party of DOPE!

ALWAYS!

LIBERALS are KNOWN FOR DOING DRUGS!

LOOK IT UP!

FOOL!



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-They are both card carrying narcissists.
^These are PROVED facts.

I'd bet the Trumpanzees on here have done more drugs in their lives, and still do, than the "libtards". I personally don't use any and deal with my pain holistically, I fish.