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Topic Title: Immigrant families separated at border struggle to find each other Topic Summary: Created On: 05/26/2018 09:01 PM |
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- 3rdworldlover | - 05/26/2018 09:01 PM |
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- cheaterfiveo | - 05/27/2018 07:53 AM |
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- wtf | - 05/27/2018 08:04 AM |
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- Fish Killer | - 05/27/2018 02:09 PM |
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- miker | - 05/29/2018 10:24 AM |
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- cheaterfiveo | - 05/29/2018 05:40 PM |
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- scombrid | - 05/30/2018 07:38 AM |
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- cheaterfiveo | - 06/08/2018 06:14 PM |
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- wtf | - 06/08/2018 06:26 PM |
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- Fish Killer | - 06/18/2018 07:31 AM |
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- wtf | - 06/18/2018 07:33 AM |
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- Fish Killer | - 06/18/2018 07:40 AM |
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- wtf | - 06/18/2018 07:54 AM |
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- Fish Killer | - 06/18/2018 10:39 AM |
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- johnnyboy | - 05/27/2018 07:58 AM |
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- johnnyboy | - 05/27/2018 10:33 AM |
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- fishkller | - 05/27/2018 03:06 PM |
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- fishkller | - 05/27/2018 03:05 PM |
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- RustyTruck | - 05/29/2018 07:01 AM |
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- Fish Killer | - 06/18/2018 07:32 AM |
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- johnny | - 05/29/2018 07:06 AM |
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- scombrid | - 05/29/2018 07:57 AM |
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- Sniper | - 05/29/2018 08:21 AM |
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- scombrid | - 05/29/2018 08:25 AM |
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- johnny | - 05/29/2018 08:25 AM |
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- scombrid | - 05/29/2018 08:27 AM |
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- scombrid | - 05/29/2018 08:30 AM |
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- johnny | - 05/29/2018 08:49 AM |
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- Pagerow | - 05/29/2018 12:44 PM |
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- RustyTruck | - 05/29/2018 08:10 AM |
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- scombrid | - 05/29/2018 08:19 AM |
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- RustyTruck | - 05/29/2018 08:36 AM |
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- dingpatch | - 05/29/2018 08:38 AM |
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- scombrid | - 05/29/2018 08:40 AM |
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- johnny | - 05/29/2018 08:47 AM |
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- RustyTruck | - 05/29/2018 08:50 AM |
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- miker | - 05/29/2018 10:25 AM |
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- RustyTruck | - 05/29/2018 10:53 AM |
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- 3rdworldlover | - 05/29/2018 11:23 AM |
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- miker | - 05/29/2018 11:32 AM |
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- johnny | - 05/29/2018 09:55 AM |
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- scombrid | - 05/29/2018 10:15 AM |
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- scombrid | - 05/29/2018 10:17 AM |
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- miker | - 05/29/2018 10:29 AM |
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- scombrid | - 05/29/2018 10:31 AM |
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- miker | - 05/29/2018 11:37 AM |
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- scombrid | - 05/29/2018 11:39 AM |
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- miker | - 05/29/2018 11:43 AM |
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- scombrid | - 05/29/2018 12:22 PM |
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- scombrid | - 05/29/2018 10:29 AM |
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- scombrid | - 05/29/2018 10:30 AM |
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- miker | - 05/29/2018 11:39 AM |
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- scombrid | - 05/29/2018 11:42 AM |
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- miker | - 05/29/2018 11:49 AM |
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- 3rdworldlover | - 05/29/2018 12:17 PM |
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- LBLarry | - 05/30/2018 08:25 AM |
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- worksuxgetsponsered | - 05/30/2018 08:34 AM |
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- johnny | - 05/29/2018 10:39 AM |
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- johnny | - 05/29/2018 10:16 AM |
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- scombrid | - 05/29/2018 10:19 AM |
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- RustyTruck | - 05/29/2018 11:36 AM |
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- miker | - 05/29/2018 11:46 AM |
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- RustyTruck | - 05/29/2018 02:17 PM |
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- miker | - 05/30/2018 06:41 AM |
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- RustyTruck | - 05/30/2018 06:59 AM |
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- miker | - 05/30/2018 07:05 AM |
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- worksuxgetsponsered | - 05/30/2018 07:23 AM |
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- RustyTruck | - 05/30/2018 08:25 AM |
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- miker | - 05/30/2018 08:34 AM |
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- cheaterfiveo | - 06/08/2018 06:18 PM |
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- johnny | - 05/29/2018 03:33 PM |
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- Cole | - 05/29/2018 03:48 PM |
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- Fish Killer | - 05/29/2018 03:54 PM |
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- wtf | - 05/29/2018 05:06 PM |
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- RustyTruck | - 05/29/2018 06:11 PM |
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- cheaterfiveo | - 05/29/2018 07:06 PM |
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- RustyTruck | - 05/29/2018 07:18 PM |
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- cheaterfiveo | - 05/30/2018 04:38 AM |
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- worksuxgetsponsered | - 05/30/2018 05:14 AM |
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- scombrid | - 05/30/2018 07:40 AM |
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- worksuxgetsponsered | - 05/30/2018 07:57 AM |
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- scombrid | - 05/30/2018 07:59 AM |
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- worksuxgetsponsered | - 05/30/2018 08:01 AM |
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- scombrid | - 05/30/2018 09:22 AM |
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- worksuxgetsponsered | - 05/30/2018 09:36 AM |
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- scombrid | - 05/30/2018 09:41 AM |
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- JTsurfer | - 05/30/2018 08:11 AM |
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- worksuxgetsponsered | - 05/30/2018 08:15 AM |
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- scombrid | - 05/30/2018 09:20 AM |
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- RustyTruck | - 05/30/2018 05:18 AM |
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- cheaterfiveo | - 06/01/2018 11:17 AM |
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- RiddleMe | - 06/01/2018 11:29 AM |
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- all3 | - 06/07/2018 07:35 PM |
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- RustyTruck | - 06/01/2018 11:30 AM |
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- RiddleMe | - 06/01/2018 11:34 AM |
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- RustyTruck | - 06/01/2018 11:40 AM |
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- cheaterfiveo | - 06/04/2018 05:29 PM |
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- johnny | - 05/29/2018 08:31 PM |
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- RustyTruck | - 05/30/2018 03:41 AM |
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- johnny | - 05/30/2018 07:04 AM |
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- miker | - 05/30/2018 08:02 AM |
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- worksuxgetsponsered | - 05/30/2018 08:09 AM |
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- miker | - 05/30/2018 08:31 AM |
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- RustyTruck | - 05/30/2018 08:47 AM |
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- worksuxgetsponsered | - 05/30/2018 08:53 AM |
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- RustyTruck | - 05/30/2018 10:16 AM |
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- worksuxgetsponsered | - 05/30/2018 10:33 AM |
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- johnny | - 05/30/2018 10:37 AM |
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- RustyTruck | - 05/30/2018 10:54 AM |
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- worksuxgetsponsered | - 05/30/2018 11:09 AM |
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- RustyTruck | - 05/30/2018 12:05 PM |
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- johnny | - 05/30/2018 12:22 PM |
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- RustyTruck | - 05/30/2018 12:50 PM |
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- johnny | - 05/30/2018 02:54 PM |
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- Cole | - 05/30/2018 03:01 PM |
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- miker | - 05/31/2018 05:23 AM |
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- RustyTruck | - 06/04/2018 05:36 PM |
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- 3rdworldlover | - 06/07/2018 04:05 PM |
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- Fish Killer | - 06/07/2018 04:25 PM |
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- Fish Killer | - 06/08/2018 04:23 PM |
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- nukeh2o | - 06/08/2018 05:16 PM |
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- wtf | - 06/18/2018 04:23 AM |
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- miker | - 06/18/2018 05:43 AM |
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- wtf | - 06/18/2018 05:52 AM |
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- miker | - 06/18/2018 06:18 AM |
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- wtf | - 06/18/2018 06:52 AM |
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- miker | - 06/18/2018 07:12 AM |
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- wtf | - 06/18/2018 07:31 AM |
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- miker | - 06/18/2018 07:53 AM |
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- miker | - 06/18/2018 06:22 AM |
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- scombrid | - 06/18/2018 07:15 AM |
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- miker | - 06/18/2018 11:08 AM |
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- scombrid | - 06/18/2018 11:54 AM |
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- scombrid | - 06/18/2018 11:54 AM |
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- Greensleeves | - 06/18/2018 06:40 AM |
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- miker | - 06/18/2018 06:50 AM |
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- RustyTruck | - 06/18/2018 06:41 AM |
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- miker | - 06/18/2018 06:45 AM |
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- RustyTruck | - 06/18/2018 06:56 AM |
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- miker | - 06/18/2018 07:07 AM |
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- RustyTruck | - 06/18/2018 08:07 AM |
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- miker | - 06/18/2018 08:16 AM |
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- RustyTruck | - 06/18/2018 08:32 AM |
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- miker | - 06/18/2018 08:36 AM |
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- RustyTruck | - 06/18/2018 08:44 AM |
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- scombrid | - 06/18/2018 07:04 AM |
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- scombrid | - 06/18/2018 07:07 AM |
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- miker | - 06/18/2018 07:14 AM |
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- miker | - 06/18/2018 07:02 AM |
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- Greensleeves | - 06/18/2018 07:40 AM |
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- miker | - 06/18/2018 07:48 AM |
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- worksuxgetsponsered | - 06/19/2018 09:14 AM |
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- johnny | - 06/18/2018 07:53 AM |
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- WG | - 06/18/2018 08:39 AM |
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- johnny | - 06/18/2018 08:46 AM |
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- Greensleeves | - 06/18/2018 07:56 AM |
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- johnny | - 06/18/2018 08:15 AM |
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- scombrid | - 06/18/2018 08:46 AM |
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- johnny | - 06/18/2018 08:47 AM |
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- scombrid | - 06/18/2018 08:53 AM |
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- johnny | - 06/18/2018 08:33 AM |
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- RustyTruck | - 06/18/2018 08:36 AM |
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- johnny | - 06/18/2018 08:39 AM |
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- RustyTruck | - 06/18/2018 08:45 AM |
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- Sniper | - 06/18/2018 08:37 AM |
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- johnny | - 06/18/2018 08:57 AM |
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- stokedpanda | - 06/18/2018 09:06 AM |
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- johnny | - 06/18/2018 09:07 AM |
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- scombrid | - 06/18/2018 09:14 AM |
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- damonsharp | - 06/18/2018 09:26 AM |
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- follydude | - 06/18/2018 09:45 AM |
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- RustyTruck | - 06/18/2018 10:05 AM |
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- 3rdworldlover | - 06/18/2018 09:23 AM |
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- johnny | - 06/18/2018 09:48 AM |
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- Fish Killer | - 06/18/2018 10:41 AM |
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- Fish Killer | - 06/18/2018 10:45 AM |
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- Greensleeves | - 06/18/2018 10:50 AM |
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- Fish Killer | - 06/18/2018 01:10 PM |
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- miker | - 06/18/2018 01:17 PM |
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- johnny | - 06/18/2018 10:53 AM |
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- RustyTruck | - 06/18/2018 11:02 AM |
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- Greensleeves | - 06/18/2018 11:04 AM |
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- johnny | - 06/18/2018 11:20 AM |
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- RustyTruck | - 06/18/2018 11:21 AM |
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- johnny | - 06/18/2018 11:28 AM |
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- RustyTruck | - 06/18/2018 11:52 AM |
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- RustyTruck | - 06/18/2018 12:27 PM |
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- johnny | - 06/18/2018 12:31 PM |
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- wtf | - 06/18/2018 04:42 PM |
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- RustyTruck | - 06/18/2018 12:39 PM |
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- RegularJoe | - 06/18/2018 05:36 PM |
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- johnny | - 06/18/2018 12:44 PM |
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- Greensleeves | - 06/18/2018 12:48 PM |
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- miker | - 06/18/2018 01:20 PM |
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- Fish Killer | - 06/18/2018 02:09 PM |
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- Fish Killer | - 06/18/2018 02:11 PM |
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- Fish Killer | - 06/18/2018 02:13 PM |
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- Fish Killer | - 06/18/2018 05:39 PM |
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- miker | - 06/18/2018 07:09 PM |
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- Cole | - 06/18/2018 07:38 PM |
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- RustyTruck | - 06/19/2018 04:17 AM |
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- miker | - 06/19/2018 04:28 AM |
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- RiddleMe | - 06/19/2018 04:35 AM |
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- RustyTruck | - 06/19/2018 05:12 AM |
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- follydude | - 06/19/2018 05:16 AM |
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- miker | - 06/19/2018 06:28 AM |
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- RustyTruck | - 06/19/2018 06:31 AM |
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- miker | - 06/19/2018 06:34 AM |
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- miker | - 06/19/2018 06:41 AM |
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- follydude | - 06/18/2018 07:53 PM |
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- WG | - 06/19/2018 04:45 AM |
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- Fish Killer | - 06/19/2018 04:46 AM |
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- 3rdworldlover | - 06/18/2018 08:46 PM |
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- Bamboo | - 06/19/2018 02:40 AM |
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- tom | - 06/19/2018 02:45 AM |
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- follydude | - 06/19/2018 04:53 AM |
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- Fish Killer | - 06/19/2018 04:54 AM |
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- WG | - 06/19/2018 05:00 AM |
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- Fish Killer | - 06/19/2018 08:54 AM |
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- miker | - 06/19/2018 05:06 AM |
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- WG | - 06/19/2018 05:45 AM |
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- RustyTruck | - 06/19/2018 05:54 AM |
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- miker | - 06/19/2018 06:31 AM |
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- theglide | - 06/19/2018 06:09 AM |
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- wtf | - 06/19/2018 06:11 AM |
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- Fish Killer | - 06/19/2018 08:56 AM |
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- johnny | - 06/19/2018 06:18 AM |
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- RustyTruck | - 06/19/2018 06:42 AM |
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- miker | - 06/19/2018 06:56 AM |
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- RustyTruck | - 06/19/2018 07:04 AM |
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- johnny | - 06/19/2018 06:43 AM |
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- miker | - 06/19/2018 07:01 AM |
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- miker | - 06/19/2018 07:11 AM |
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- RustyTruck | - 06/19/2018 07:34 AM |
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- miker | - 06/19/2018 07:37 AM |
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- RustyTruck | - 06/19/2018 07:57 AM |
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- miker | - 06/19/2018 08:02 AM |
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- Cole | - 06/19/2018 07:39 AM |
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- Fish Killer | - 06/19/2018 08:57 AM |
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- Cole | - 06/19/2018 09:15 AM |
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- Fish Killer | - 06/19/2018 12:32 PM |
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- Greensleeves | - 06/19/2018 07:15 AM |
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- miker | - 06/19/2018 07:25 AM |
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- Greensleeves | - 06/19/2018 08:08 AM |
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- miker | - 06/19/2018 08:28 AM |
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- RustyTruck | - 06/19/2018 08:50 AM |
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- Greensleeves | - 06/19/2018 09:30 AM |
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- johnny | - 06/19/2018 09:33 AM |
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- RustyTruck | - 06/19/2018 09:37 AM |
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- johnny | - 06/19/2018 09:38 AM |
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- RustyTruck | - 06/19/2018 09:43 AM |
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- miker | - 06/19/2018 09:46 AM |
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- Greensleeves | - 06/19/2018 10:09 AM |
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- RustyTruck | - 06/19/2018 10:13 AM |
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- johnny | - 06/19/2018 11:26 AM |
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- all3 | - 06/19/2018 11:37 AM |
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- miker | - 06/19/2018 11:50 AM |
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- miker | - 06/19/2018 11:59 AM |
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- johnny | - 06/19/2018 12:13 PM |
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- Greensleeves | - 06/19/2018 12:55 PM |
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- scombrid | - 06/19/2018 01:28 PM |
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- johnny | - 06/19/2018 01:06 PM |
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- Fish Killer | - 06/19/2018 01:08 PM |
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- Cole | - 06/19/2018 01:20 PM |
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- Fish Killer | - 06/20/2018 04:56 AM |
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- Fish Killer | - 06/20/2018 04:56 AM |
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- Cole | - 06/20/2018 05:13 AM |
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- Greensleeves | - 06/19/2018 01:23 PM |
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- wtf | - 06/19/2018 01:24 PM |
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- johnny | - 06/19/2018 01:27 PM |
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- johnny | - 06/19/2018 01:32 PM |
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- Cole | - 06/19/2018 02:51 PM |
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- theglide | - 06/19/2018 02:10 PM |
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- Greensleeves | - 06/19/2018 02:27 PM |
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- follydude | - 06/19/2018 04:27 PM |
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- nukeh2o | - 06/19/2018 05:07 PM |
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- RustyTruck | - 06/19/2018 06:25 PM |
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- miker | - 06/20/2018 05:07 AM |
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- Cole | - 06/20/2018 05:19 AM |
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- miker | - 06/20/2018 05:29 AM |
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- Cole | - 06/20/2018 05:40 AM |
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- miker | - 06/20/2018 05:43 AM |
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- stokedpanda | - 06/20/2018 05:11 AM |
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- miker | - 06/20/2018 05:39 AM |
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- WG | - 06/20/2018 06:05 AM |
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- miker | - 06/20/2018 06:51 AM |
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- scombrid | - 06/20/2018 06:40 AM |
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- miker | - 06/20/2018 07:05 AM |
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- scombrid | - 06/20/2018 07:16 AM |
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- miker | - 06/20/2018 07:31 AM |
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- johnny | - 06/20/2018 08:59 AM |
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- johnny | - 06/20/2018 06:14 AM |
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- follydude | - 06/20/2018 06:21 AM |
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- Cole | - 06/20/2018 06:23 AM |
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- Cole | - 06/20/2018 06:28 AM |
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- scombrid | - 06/20/2018 06:33 AM |
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- scombrid | - 06/20/2018 06:47 AM |
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- scombrid | - 06/20/2018 07:19 AM |
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- follydude | - 06/20/2018 06:22 AM |
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 05/26/2018 09:01 PM
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"In many cases they may never,"
"We have seen children as young as 18 months deported without their parents and more commonly, parents deported without their children. Parents arrive in Central America with no idea of how to get their children back." This is Unacceptable http://www.houstonchronicle.co...-struggle-12938759.php |
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05/27/2018 07:53 AM
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Illegal entry into a soveriegn nation is unacceptable
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05/27/2018 08:04 AM
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Illegal entry into a soveriegn nation is unacceptable Separating children from their parents and then not being able to reunite them is unnacceptable. ------------------------- QOP = Terrorists FK = Gay |
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05/27/2018 02:09 PM
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Illegal entry into a soveriegn nation is unacceptable Separating children from their parents and then not being able to reunite them is unnacceptable. #FakeNews #Propaganda ------------------------- The REAL truth is....both of the forum idiots are OWNED. -BOTH of them have no clue who their owner is. -They are both card carrying narcissists. ^These are PROVED facts. |
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05/29/2018 10:24 AM
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Illegal entry into a soveriegn nation is unacceptable Separating children from their parents and then not being able to reunite them is unnacceptable. What about the parents that put their children into a situation where that is possible? Are they not culpable? There are risks involved when you take it upon yourself to illegally cross the border of another country. |
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05/29/2018 05:40 PM
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Illegal entry into a soveriegn nation is unacceptable Separating children from their parents and then not being able to reunite them is unnacceptable. So dont send your kids unaccompanied, file for asylum, use proper channels. Why is this so hard for bleeding hearts who are paper tigers. If you are so moved; adopt several |
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05/30/2018 07:38 AM
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So you think it is wrong for Trump to separate accompanied minors from their asylum seeking parents at the border? ------------------------- ... |
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06/08/2018 06:14 PM
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Illegal entry into a soveriegn nation is unacceptable Separating children from their parents and then not being able to reunite them is unnacceptable. nobody in this country forced them to break the law and sneak in and suffer the consequences; sadly your generation has no concept of consequences, hence your inability to understand breaking the law has an equal and positive effect |
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06/08/2018 06:26 PM
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Illegal entry into a soveriegn nation is unacceptable Separating children from their parents and then not being able to reunite them is unnacceptable. nobody in this country forced them to break the law and sneak in and suffer the consequences; sadly your generation has no concept of consequences, hence your inability to understand breaking the law has an equal and positive effect Please tell me, what is my generation? Your little soliloquy is cute, but that's not how things work, esp. at the border. It's clear to see you only get your info from fox. ------------------------- QOP = Terrorists FK = Gay |
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06/18/2018 07:31 AM
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Illegal entry into a soveriegn nation is unacceptable Separating children from their parents and then not being able to reunite them is unnacceptable. If you break the LAW... YOU will be separated from your children too...and thrown in jail! ASSHOLE! ------------------------- The REAL truth is....both of the forum idiots are OWNED. -BOTH of them have no clue who their owner is. -They are both card carrying narcissists. ^These are PROVED facts. |
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06/18/2018 07:33 AM
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Illegal entry into a soveriegn nation is unacceptable Separating children from their parents and then not being able to reunite them is unnacceptable. If you break the LAW... YOU will be separated from your children too...and thrown in jail! ASSHOLE! Oh look, the wife beating fake christian has shown up. LMFAO at you ya big pussy... ------------------------- QOP = Terrorists FK = Gay |
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06/18/2018 07:40 AM
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Illegal entry into a soveriegn nation is unacceptable Separating children from their parents and then not being able to reunite them is unnacceptable. If you break the LAW... YOU will be separated from your children too...and thrown in jail! ASSHOLE! Oh look, the wife beating fake christian has shown up. LMFAO at you ya big pussy... Oh look....the wife beating fake human has responded! LMFAO at YOU ya BIG mangina! ------------------------- The REAL truth is....both of the forum idiots are OWNED. -BOTH of them have no clue who their owner is. -They are both card carrying narcissists. ^These are PROVED facts. |
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06/18/2018 07:54 AM
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Illegal entry into a soveriegn nation is unacceptable Separating children from their parents and then not being able to reunite them is unnacceptable. If you break the LAW... YOU will be separated from your children too...and thrown in jail! ASSHOLE! Oh look, the wife beating fake christian has shown up. LMFAO at you ya big pussy... Oh look....the wife beating fake human has responded! LMFAO at YOU ya BIG mangina! #FakeChristian ------------------------- QOP = Terrorists FK = Gay |
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06/18/2018 10:39 AM
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Illegal entry into a soveriegn nation is unacceptable Separating children from their parents and then not being able to reunite them is unnacceptable. If you break the LAW... YOU will be separated from your children too...and thrown in jail! ASSHOLE! Oh look, the wife beating fake christian has shown up. LMFAO at you ya big pussy... Oh look....the wife beating fake human has responded! LMFAO at YOU ya BIG mangina! #FakeChristian #FAKE HUMAN! ------------------------- The REAL truth is....both of the forum idiots are OWNED. -BOTH of them have no clue who their owner is. -They are both card carrying narcissists. ^These are PROVED facts. |
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05/27/2018 07:58 AM
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Little sessions has many wet dreams to this.
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05/27/2018 10:33 AM
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It helps if you call them criminals, animals and illegals.
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05/27/2018 03:06 PM
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It helps if you call them criminals, animals and illegals. Maybe it would help Cheater out if we could put little sombrero pins on their jackets? ------------------------- 
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05/27/2018 03:05 PM
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#NiceTry #NotWorking #YoureStillFakeNews
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05/29/2018 07:01 AM
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Those who support or participate in acts of cruelty against innocent children will pay for it, in this life or the next.
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06/18/2018 07:32 AM
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Those who support or participate in acts of cruelty against innocent children will pay for it, in this life or the next. So now you're claiming Clinton AND Obama will be paying for it in this life or the next? GOT IT! Clinton made the law...Obama followed the law! ------------------------- The REAL truth is....both of the forum idiots are OWNED. -BOTH of them have no clue who their owner is. -They are both card carrying narcissists. ^These are PROVED facts. |
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05/29/2018 07:06 AM
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the parents are cruel to smuggle their children, what are the stats on sexual assault on their way through central america again?
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05/29/2018 07:57 AM
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The conditions they are fleeing are worse than the journey. Why are you even pretending to care? ------------------------- ... |
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05/29/2018 08:21 AM
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Sounds like Esteban should have applied for a work Visa. The biggest problem here is that the problem has been overlooked for too long. If I illegally cross the border into Mexico and try to get a job, do you think I am going to be welcomed with open arms? I'll go ahead and help you out on this one. The answer is F no. Same with pretty much every other country. Will they be locking me up because they hate white people? Probably not. They will be locking me up because I broke the laws of their country. Since when does anyone breaking any law not risk being separated from their children? Every incarcerated person with children has been separated from their children for breaking laws. Anyone and everyone is welcome to come to the United States legally but the people have spoken and they are tired of us tolerating people overstaying work visas or breaking into our country by the millions, regardless of their countries of origin or skin color. We need to know who is entering our country and we need to know that them being here benefits the United States.
------------------------- "The government who robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul," - George Bernard Shaw “Don’t underestimate Joe’s ability to f—k things up.” - Barack Obama “End of quote. Repeat the line.” - wise words from Joe Biden |
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05/29/2018 08:25 AM
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Que'?
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05/29/2018 08:25 AM
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The conditions they are fleeing are worse than the journey. Why are you even pretending to care? Who said I care? You are bitching about separation while most of them are repeatedly raped prior, separation is nothing. |
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05/29/2018 08:27 AM
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cite ------------------------- ... |
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05/29/2018 08:30 AM
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You really believe that the parents are being selfish and mean? Conditions are great where these people originate?
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05/29/2018 08:49 AM
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You really believe that the parents are being selfish and mean? Conditions are great where these people originate? Those who support or participate in acts of cruelty against innocent children will pay for it, in this life or the next. they should have had abortions eh? |
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05/29/2018 12:44 PM
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they should have had abortions eh? This goes against every Con's dream of every baby is sacred. I guess we now know what happens to people who are forced to have babies instead of getting access to proper birth control...  Every sperm is sacred
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05/29/2018 08:10 AM
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He doesn't, he's trying to shift his own absence of conscience to the refugees themselves.
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05/29/2018 08:19 AM
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Well of course. They're all bad hombres. ------------------------- ... |
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05/29/2018 08:36 AM
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Johnny wouldn't mind if they were shot on the spot.
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05/29/2018 08:38 AM
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Ummmm, so the "what could go wrong" excuse is acceptable for illegals?
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05/29/2018 08:40 AM
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non sequitor ------------------------- ... |
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05/29/2018 08:47 AM
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human trafficking - the ends justify the means
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05/29/2018 08:50 AM
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People are people and borders are imaginary.
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05/29/2018 10:25 AM
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People are people and borders are imaginary. No, borders are not imaginary. We do not live in a one nation world. This may be your viewpoint on the subject, and while I I love the idea of it myself, it simply is not reality. |
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05/29/2018 10:53 AM
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People are people and borders are imaginary. No, borders are not imaginary. We do not live in a one nation world. This may be your viewpoint on the subject, and while I I love the idea of it myself, it simply is not reality. Sure they are, they are a construct of the mind, invented by humans to protect their possessions. Imaginary lines on a map. When authoritarians tell you that the people on the other side are animals, or less human than yourself, it should set off alarm bells. Is there a universal moral obligation to treat people with the kindness and dignity you would hope for yourself in a similar circumstance? ------------------------- “It is the heart of US policy to use fascism to preserve capitalism while claiming to be saving democracy from communism “ - Michael Parenti |
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05/29/2018 11:23 AM
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This is about the new policy of purposefully separating children from their parents. It isn't just happening to illegal immigrants. They're also doing this to legal asylum seekers.
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05/29/2018 11:32 AM
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Sure they are, they are a construct of the mind, invented by humans to protect their possessions. Imaginary lines on a map. Imaginary in the sense that they aren't actually drawn on the ground, if that is the silly game you have been playing this entire time.... ok I will agree they aren't literally drawn on the ground. The border between countries is very real however, even if someone didn't take magic marker to the ground. |
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05/29/2018 09:55 AM
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why does affirmative action exist if all people are the same?
why is diversity important if we are all the same? |
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05/29/2018 10:15 AM
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Who says people are "all the same"? ------------------------- ... |
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05/29/2018 10:17 AM
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I mean the Declaration of Independence says that all men are created equal with certain unalienable rights. But even that doesn't mean "all the same".
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05/29/2018 10:29 AM
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I mean the Declaration of Independence says that all men are created equal with certain unalienable rights. We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed. Applies once they become citizens. It helps to cross the border of the country you want to become a citizen of legally. Willingness to violate the laws of a nation from the very get go and also put your children at risk in doing so .....umm ok. |
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05/29/2018 10:31 AM
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I'm responding to jonny's stupid "aren't people all the same" comment. As for the illegals and their children. They are taking a risk. They know the risk. Tells you how shitty things are where they are leaving. You obviously think that they deserve whatever happens to them because of their illegal status. Okay. ------------------------- ... |
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05/29/2018 11:37 AM
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You obviously think that they deserve whatever happens to them because of their illegal status. Okay. No. Stupid supposition. |
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05/29/2018 11:39 AM
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So they don't deserve the new policy of splitting families immediately irrespective of circumstance? ------------------------- ... |
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05/29/2018 11:43 AM
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So they don't deserve the new policy of splitting families immediately irrespective of circumstance? My post was about throwing some blame in the direction of the parents that put their children at risk. I said nothing about splitting up or not splitting up families. We always like to blame the system, the rules, the outcome, etc. ....yet everyone seems to continually overlook the fact that people willingly and knowingly put their children at risk crossing a border illegally and they magically seem to be absolved of any blame. |
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05/29/2018 12:22 PM
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Not overlooking the risk. Just acknowledging that they are fleeing some bad shit to take the risk. Also wondering why the risk needs to be made worse. ------------------------- ... |
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05/29/2018 10:29 AM
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Because people were treated differently for an invalid reason well into the 20th century and even well after passage of the civil rights act of 1964. Like it or not, AA exists because it assumes that people are fundamentally equal and it is trying to correct for arbitrary and capricious employment discrimination. So your "all the same" argument doesn't work here.
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05/29/2018 10:30 AM
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Mike from Atlanta is on a tare watch out. ------------------------- ... |
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05/29/2018 11:39 AM
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Mike from Atlanta is on a tare watch out. You forgot to switch to your fake FK troll account before posting. |
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05/29/2018 11:42 AM
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I have had one account and one only since 2001. Unlike Mike of Many Aliases. ------------------------- ... |
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05/29/2018 11:49 AM
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I have had one account and one only since 2001. Unlike Mike of Many Aliases. Cool story. Same applies to me.... though since 2010. I think you are smart enough to realize the he is not me and who he actually is. Perhaps I am wrong though. He is the one making the hard sell that I am him, did you actually buy it? |
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05/29/2018 12:17 PM
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If it's much less of a risk than the risks they're fleeing, then it's the right decision for a parent. |
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05/30/2018 08:25 AM
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I have had one account and one only since 2001. Unlike Mike of Many Aliases. Did you get a couple of whiny pm's about how he is not "that mike" ?? ------------------------- "Most people would die sooner than think; in fact, they do." - Bertrand Russell "Morality is doing what is right, regardless of what you are told. Religion is doing what you are told, regardless of what is right. If I do not answer you .... nothing personal, I just have you on ignore. |
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05/30/2018 08:34 AM
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Trump does enough dumb shit, you don't have to be disingenuous about that RT, but I'd expect nothing less from someone that has..... "We don't want a bigger piece of the pie, we're here to seize control of the bakery." ------------------------- Specializing in sarcasm and condescending rhetoric since 1971. |
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05/29/2018 10:39 AM
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Because people were treated differently for an invalid reason well into the 20th century and even well after passage of the civil rights act of 1964. Like it or not, AA exists because it assumes that people are fundamentally equal and it is trying to correct for arbitrary and capricious employment discrimination. So your "all the same" argument doesn't work here. AA isn't just about black people Hispanics weren't enslaved yet they still benefit Asians are comparatively punished as well, even though they were/are discriminated against What about Irish and Italians? Not oppressed enough? Edited: 05/29/2018 at 10:49 AM by johnny |
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05/29/2018 10:16 AM
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People are people
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05/29/2018 10:19 AM
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Yeah. So? So you are the embodiment of a character being lampooned in "The Wall"? That one looks ... And that one's a ... Who let all of this riff raff into the room. If I had my way I'd have all of them shot.
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05/29/2018 11:36 AM
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Silly game? Dude, you're on NSR.
What do you think we do here? ------------------------- “It is the heart of US policy to use fascism to preserve capitalism while claiming to be saving democracy from communism “ - Michael Parenti |
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05/29/2018 11:46 AM
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Silly game? Dude, you're on NSR. What do you think we do here? Please Rusty, obviously we all play silly games and troll each other save for one or two people that take this shit seriously and threaten to sue people over hurt feelings. Usually you play a more intelligent game. |
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05/29/2018 02:17 PM
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Silly game? Dude, you're on NSR. What do you think we do here? Please Rusty, obviously we all play silly games and troll each other save for one or two people that take this shit seriously and threaten to sue people over hurt feelings. Usually you play a more intelligent game. Cool story, but I stand by my post - it's primitive and tribal to pretend these imaginaries lines on maps are so important as to inflict intentional cruelty on helpless women and children. One day the notion of an arbitrary "border" on Earth will be as quaint and archaic as religion. ------------------------- “It is the heart of US policy to use fascism to preserve capitalism while claiming to be saving democracy from communism “ - Michael Parenti |
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05/30/2018 06:41 AM
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One day the notion of an arbitrary "border" on Earth will be as quaint and archaic as religion. Cool story. I hope that is the eventual truth as it may be the only way we are able to prevent destroying ourselves. Unfortunately that idea does not match our current reality and this reality is what you are contending with. Borders are real, people fight and die over them, and each nation has its own rules that you need to play by. I mean seriously, didn't you mention you were trying to get dual citizenship in Italy? Why bother playing by the rules there if you don't think they should apply here? |
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05/30/2018 06:59 AM
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One day the notion of an arbitrary "border" on Earth will be as quaint and archaic as religion. Cool story. I hope that is the eventual truth as it may be the only way we are able to prevent destroying ourselves. Unfortunately that idea does not match our current reality and this reality is what you are contending with. Borders are real, people fight and die over them, and each nation has its own rules that you need to play by. I mean seriously, didn't you mention you were trying to get dual citizenship in Italy? Why bother playing by the rules there if you don't think they should apply here? Well since we're on cool stories, I'll accept your segue into citizenship. You see, Italy (at least as of today, there's a political crisis going on) is a member of the European Union. If you are a citizen of any EU member state, you can move freely and live or work anywhere in Europe. Italy is beautiful, but it opens a lot of doors. But back to the other cool story. A nation is nothing but a tribe, or a gang even. It may lay claim to "territory" and injure or kill people who try to pass through. Many people from opposing tribes may die fighting over land and borders, but in the end they mostly die in vain to protect the property of their own exploiters. For you, I see you accept the existence of these imaginary lines. That's not going to change overnight. But poor people who try to cross over to find work to feed their children or to find safety from violence are essentially powerless, and those who treat them with cruelty and violence will pay a price. ------------------------- “It is the heart of US policy to use fascism to preserve capitalism while claiming to be saving democracy from communism “ - Michael Parenti |
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05/30/2018 07:05 AM
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For you, I see you accept the existence of these imaginary lines. Seems like you are saying that there aren't borders while at the same time willingly accept playing by the rules of a country that uses borders to defines its boundaries. Your views don't match your actions yet again. Oh Rusty, the entire world accepts the existence of borders... even the people that cross them illegally. |
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05/30/2018 07:23 AM
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That's effing racist according to some. Why can't ~12 M others, move freely, live and work anywhere in Europe? That's what many expect from the US.... edit: and FWIW I have no problem with immigration. I'm 1st generation American, formerly married to a Colombian and a HUGE fan of latina bootys.  I am all for making the immigration process quicker and more reasonable.
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05/30/2018 08:25 AM
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For you, I see you accept the existence of these imaginary lines. Seems like you are saying that there aren't borders while at the same time willingly accept playing by the rules of a country that uses borders to defines its boundaries. Your views don't match your actions yet again. Oh Rusty, the entire world accepts the existence of borders... even the people that cross them illegally. What I said, or intended to say, is that borders are arbitrary inventions; and to mete out cruelty to helpless people because they are on this side or the other of an imaginary line is morally repugnant, and as an American who knows full well all you mother F'ers people came from somewhere else, I think is a national disgrace. @Worksux - You seriously think trump doesn't know exactly what he's doing with the racist dog whistle? Or do you just want to believe him? ------------------------- “It is the heart of US policy to use fascism to preserve capitalism while claiming to be saving democracy from communism “ - Michael Parenti |
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05/30/2018 08:34 AM
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What I said, or intended to say, is that borders are arbitrary inventions You might want to rethink your use of the word arbitrary there because it is doesn't apply. There is nothing arbitrary about borders between nations Rusty. Question for you, if borders don't matter to you, then why are you so concerned if people are or aren't allowed to cross your imaginary lines? |
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06/08/2018 06:18 PM
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For you, I see you accept the existence of these imaginary lines. [ Seems like you are saying that there aren't borders while at the same time willingly accept playing by the rules of a country that uses borders to defines its boundaries. Your views don't match your actions yet again. Oh Rusty, the entire world accepts the existence of borders... even the people that cross them illegally. What I said, or intended to say, is that borders are arbitrary inventions; and to mete out cruelty to helpless people because they are on this side or the other of an imaginary line is morally repugnant, and as an American who knows full well all you mother F'ers people came from somewhere else, I think is a national disgrace. @Worksux - You seriously think trump doesn't know exactly what he's doing with the racist dog whistle? Or do you just want to believe him? good fences make good neighbors; do you own a fence? |
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05/29/2018 03:33 PM
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yea lol maybe after the nuclear fallout has cleared
i love how your morals don't apply to abortion, where is this code I can read up on? I mean these people that human traffic their way into the country are just in for a life of suffering right, why not just humanely kill them just like abortion? why not just use all these aborted babies inside the country as your so direly needed low skilled workforce instead of using illegals via human trafficking? |
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05/29/2018 03:48 PM
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yea lol maybe after the nuclear fallout has cleared i love how your morals don't apply to abortion, where is this code I can read up on? I mean these people that human traffic their way into the country are just in for a life of suffering right, why not just humanely kill them just like abortion? why not just use all these aborted babies inside the country as your so direly needed low skilled workforce instead of using illegals via human trafficking? Wow you are a jackass. lol Is your world really that simple? ------------------------- I was right. |
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05/29/2018 03:54 PM
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yea lol maybe after the nuclear fallout has cleared i love how your morals don't apply to abortion, where is this code I can read up on? I mean these people that human traffic their way into the country are just in for a life of suffering right, why not just humanely kill them just like abortion? why not just use all these aborted babies inside the country as your so direly needed low skilled workforce instead of using illegals via human trafficking? Wow you are a jackass. lol Is your world really that simple? Actually the jackass is you! He asked you legitimate questions.... Why dont you answer them! FOOL! ------------------------- The REAL truth is....both of the forum idiots are OWNED. -BOTH of them have no clue who their owner is. -They are both card carrying narcissists. ^These are PROVED facts. |
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05/29/2018 05:06 PM
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Twinkletoes #FakeNews #Propaganda
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05/29/2018 06:11 PM
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Children are being taken from those who present themselves at ports of entry and ask for asylum too asshole.
"Paper tiger"? You think we're playing? ------------------------- “It is the heart of US policy to use fascism to preserve capitalism while claiming to be saving democracy from communism “ - Michael Parenti |
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05/29/2018 07:06 PM
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Well well, how many have you taken in? I guess none eh asshole?
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05/29/2018 07:18 PM
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Well well, how many have you taken in? I guess none eh asshole? Taken in? You think ICE is putting immigrants up for adoption? The nearest refugee resettlement NGO is in Jacksonville, and they keep refugees in clusters. There is no option to "take in" the people brutalized by trumpist gestapo. I sponsor a little boy in El Salvador so he hopefully survives long enough for me to sponsor him some day. Get back to licking boots you Nazi cuck. ------------------------- “It is the heart of US policy to use fascism to preserve capitalism while claiming to be saving democracy from communism “ - Michael Parenti |
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05/30/2018 04:38 AM
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Well well, how many have you taken in? I guess none eh asshole? Taken in? You think ICE is putting immigrants up for adoption? The nearest refugee resettlement NGO is in Jacksonville, and they keep refugees in clusters. There is no option to "take in" the people brutalized by trumpist gestapo. I sponsor a little boy in El Salvador so he hopefully survives long enough for me to sponsor him some day. Get back to licking boots you Nazi cuck. Now now smart people like yourself should be able to figure out how to help. Instead you have resorted to Alinsky tactics, you sir are a sham. Go ahead call more names, you are not interested in helping just spewing bs.. I say again take a few in, check it out you can become a foster family, I double dog dare you. |
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05/30/2018 05:14 AM
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Try and get a couple with those cool MS13 tatts. I hear they're real handy with machetes. ------------------------- Specializing in sarcasm and condescending rhetoric since 1971. |
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05/30/2018 07:40 AM
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What fraction of them are MS13 versus running from MS13? ------------------------- ... |
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05/30/2018 07:57 AM
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Not a clue. But they shouldn't be too hard to spot.
My jab was a one of RT comments propagating the misconception that Trumps 'animal' comment was about all immigrants and not a reference to the gang. ------------------------- Specializing in sarcasm and condescending rhetoric since 1971. |
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05/30/2018 07:59 AM
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Trump was deliberately vague in that comment. That way he could have it both ways. ------------------------- ... |
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05/30/2018 08:01 AM
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Trump has the vernacular and orating skills of a slow 3rd grader with a speech impediment. He didn't plan shit. ------------------------- Specializing in sarcasm and condescending rhetoric since 1971. |
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05/30/2018 09:22 AM
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It is a dog whistle. No planning needed. Just toot toot toot the talking point and make sure that MS13 is conflated with illegal migration in general. There are certain themes that he worked out with Bannon and Stone on the campaign trail. He doesn't have to be eloquent to keep hammering those points.
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05/30/2018 09:36 AM
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You and many others have stated that he was intentionally vague in his comment. I don't give him that much credit when it comes to his public speaking. He speaks off the cuff and says a lot of dumb shit that gets taken the wrong way. It was pretty obvious to me and anybody that isn't blinded by political bias, that he was referring to MS-13. He simply lacks the orating skills to properly express his thoughts. Now people that are so emotionally invested in hatred toward him are more willing to propagate stuff that isn't true just to make him look worse than it is. edit: The same stuff happened to Obama and most of the people on this board were flabbergasted that someone would do such a thing. Pot meet kettle.....
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05/30/2018 09:41 AM
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Can't be done. ------------------------- ... |
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05/30/2018 08:11 AM
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What fraction of them are MS13 versus running from MS13?
You just answered your own question. "Fairy Tale" fractions can't be used to cover up an "illegal action", doesn't matter if they're 'good' or 'bad'. It's still illegal. It's not up to your neighborhood watch to figure that out either. The Government needs to speed up the process, do the proper vetting and let people come in and enjoy the greatest country on the planet.....once they've completed the "legal process". Why is this so hard to grasp and uphold? |
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05/30/2018 08:15 AM
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last time a neighborhood watch guy tried to do that, things went horribly awry. ------------------------- Specializing in sarcasm and condescending rhetoric since 1971. |
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05/30/2018 09:20 AM
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The Government needs to speed up the process, do the proper vetting You going to pay for that? The 1% sure aren't with the 1.6 Trillion Dollar tax cut.
Let who and how many? Johnny says there are too many and we just can't take an all comers without destroying our quality of life. I see you write that there should be a fast legal, presumably safe, way to widen immigration opportunities. Are there any politicians anywhere moving in that direction? GOP controls all three branches of government and I'll be damned if I see any movement on creating a fast and open immigration program. ------------------------- ... |
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05/30/2018 05:18 AM
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Well well, how many have you taken in? I guess none eh asshole? Taken in? You think ICE is putting immigrants up for adoption? The nearest refugee resettlement NGO is in Jacksonville, and they keep refugees in clusters. There is no option to "take in" the people brutalized by trumpist gestapo. I sponsor a little boy in El Salvador so he hopefully survives long enough for me to sponsor him some day. Get back to licking boots you Nazi cuck. Now now smart people like yourself should be able to figure out how to help. Instead you have resorted to Alinsky tactics, you sir are a sham. Go ahead call more names, you are not interested in helping just spewing bs.. I say again take a few in, check it out you can become a foster family, I double dog dare you. And since you find yourself in a position of trying to defend something that's on it's face cruel and immoral, you're using a right wing tactic of trying to turn it around make this about me. You don't know what I'm doing to "help", and I'm not obligated to share those activities with you. Unless YOU are a foster parent, you can piss off. ------------------------- “It is the heart of US policy to use fascism to preserve capitalism while claiming to be saving democracy from communism “ - Michael Parenti |
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06/01/2018 11:17 AM
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Well well, how many have you taken in? I guess none eh asshole? Taken in? You think ICE is putting immigrants up for adoption? The nearest refugee resettlement NGO is in Jacksonville, and they keep refugees in clusters. There is no option to "take in" the people brutalized by trumpist gestapo. I sponsor a little boy in El Salvador so he hopefully survives long enough for me to sponsor him some day. Get back to licking boots you Nazi cuck. Now now smart people like yourself should be able to figure out how to help. Instead you have resorted to Alinsky tactics, you sir are a sham. Go ahead call more names, you are not interested in helping just spewing bs.. I say again take a few in, check it out you can become a foster family, I double dog dare you. And since you find yourself in a position of trying to defend something that's on it's face cruel and immoral, you're using a right wing tactic of trying to turn it around make this about me. You don't know what I'm doing to "help", and I'm not obligated to share those activities with you. Unless YOU are a foster parent, you can piss off. You are all talk no action |
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06/01/2018 11:29 AM
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wife spent 2 years cleaning up stolen identity from illegal in CA i pity the children but not the parents |
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06/07/2018 07:35 PM
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i pity the children but not the parents
------------------------- "I remember South Africa in the late 70's, sleeping on the beach at J-bay, smoking ganja with the blacks. On weekends we'd go to the pub in East London to drink beer and fight with the Afrikaners. They liked to fight, I liked to fight. It was a good time" |
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06/01/2018 11:30 AM
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You are all talk no action I'm active AF. Millions of us are. Sit tight, you'll see. ------------------------- “It is the heart of US policy to use fascism to preserve capitalism while claiming to be saving democracy from communism “ - Michael Parenti |
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06/01/2018 11:34 AM
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assume as fuck and not airforce heh |
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06/01/2018 11:40 AM
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assume as fuck and not airforce heh Yup. ------------------------- “It is the heart of US policy to use fascism to preserve capitalism while claiming to be saving democracy from communism “ - Michael Parenti |
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06/04/2018 05:29 PM
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waiting, in the meantime; do something besides the whining, its boring
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05/29/2018 08:31 PM
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Aww that's cute, the soyboy has culturally appropriated (and misused) another new word.
Gotta keep that human trafficking and baby killing business going.. |
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05/30/2018 03:41 AM
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Aww, that's cute, little johnny thinks his fashboys own the word cuck.
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05/30/2018 07:04 AM
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But killing fetuses and then complaining about birth rates is all good
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05/30/2018 08:02 AM
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Sadly, the left's uproar over Trump's 'racist' animal comment about MS-13 only fed the alt-right's flames. Apparently my word of the day is absurdity ....lol. So with that said, the left has to stop the absurdity with some of the things a few figureheads choose to go after.
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05/30/2018 08:09 AM
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That's an absurd idea.....pun intended.
Everybody is so butt hurt their party didn't win, they're willing to sacrifice the people that put them there to make the other side look bad. the last time I can remember aisles being crossed to make true progress, was Clinton and the Newt. edit: And possibly the Iraq invasion, but most of the people on the left don't like to admit they were a part of that. 
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05/30/2018 08:31 AM
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Larry you have me blocked still over a disagreement over the Miami Dolphins? LOL... too funny. Sorry that I couldn't agree with you that Ryan Tannehill is a shitty quarterback.
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05/30/2018 08:47 AM
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I can't say I follow you, but maybe you misunderstood my tag line.
Let's say you're an exploited factory worker. The GOP will defend your boss. The liberal democrat will try to negotiate a slightly higher wage, but still defend the boss who demands the majority of wealth created by your labor. The socialist will turn the factory over to the workers who labor there and they will elect leadership and be paid the true value of the wealth they create. That's my vision of the future sparky. Anarcho-syndicalism and autonomous collective labor. An end to exploitation under capitalism. ------------------------- “It is the heart of US policy to use fascism to preserve capitalism while claiming to be saving democracy from communism “ - Michael Parenti |
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05/30/2018 08:53 AM
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Here's your bakery....
When I was in high school I worked at the Publix bakery. It didn't pay very well, had to be up before O'dark thirty and I eventually quit and got a new job that paid a little more. 
Resistance may be futile, but I'll fight it till the end.
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05/30/2018 10:16 AM
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Here's your bakery....
When I was in high school I worked at the Publix bakery. It didn't pay very well, had to be up before O'dark thirty and I eventually quit and got a new job that paid a little more.
Resistance may be futile, but I'll fight it till the end. No, no, no - anarchosyndicalists and AnComs reject state power. No authoritarian dictators. People will become bakers because it's their passion, and they aren't forced to do work they hate under threat of starvation and homelessness. Baking? Early work, 4 hours or so, then surf all afternoon. Resistance will be futile because there is nothing to resist. When work is no longer performed under wage slavery, who wouldn't embrace their passion? You would be free to do the work you love, the only rule would be that you cannot own the means of production, it is owned in common by the workers. No borders, nothing to kill or die for. Through automation we can produce everything a population needs to be happy and healthy rather than production designed only to satisfy the desires of the wealthy. ------------------------- “It is the heart of US policy to use fascism to preserve capitalism while claiming to be saving democracy from communism “ - Michael Parenti |
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05/30/2018 10:33 AM
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I get what you're saying and it sounds all well and good; in fact I think there's a term for that...Utopia. In that world my farts will smell like fresh brewed coffee, but it's a far fetched idea, albeit an admirable one.
Off the top of my head I see 3 major hurtles; 1. limited resources 2. global over population 3. (and this is the BIG one)..... Human Nature. ------------------------- Specializing in sarcasm and condescending rhetoric since 1971. |
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05/30/2018 10:37 AM
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People just wouldn't work, you should have already learned that from the current welfare system
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05/30/2018 10:54 AM
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Well I can't promise flatu-fragrance, but the basics are in reach. You know they said the same things when capitalism replaced feudalism.
I'm not sure which limited resources you're talking about, but of course sustainability is key; and no natural resource could be owned. Global population can be managed if necessary through birth control, but as far as food goes we can produce enough for all. Human nature is an interesting thing. I used to agree with you, but based on some reading, contemplation, and observation, I think cooperation is the core of human nature and not competition (assuming you were going in the competitive/Darwin direction). There are plenty of examples in the animal world where it's the capacity of a species to act in mutual aid rather than individual competitive advantage which is key to evolution and survival. Maybe in a generation or two if we stopped teaching kids that they must compete to survive and that exploitation is the natural order, we might look back and be shocked at the primitive brutality of our current human relations. What productive forces would be unleashed if people were free to do the work for which they have passion and makes them whole? ------------------------- “It is the heart of US policy to use fascism to preserve capitalism while claiming to be saving democracy from communism “ - Michael Parenti |
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05/30/2018 11:09 AM
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Maybe if/when there is another cataclysmic event and our species is required to basically start over. I need only point to gas lines after a hurricane to prove my point of humans inability to 'coexist' for the betterment of the whole. It's sad but true.
As far as limited resources go, at the rate we're going, if you think blood for oil was bad, wait till humanity sees a true water shortage.
edit: Not saying all homo sapiens are assholes, just 97% of them.
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05/30/2018 12:05 PM
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Don't you also see people cooperate like never before when there's a disaster? People who try to hoard resources, or refuse to work, wouldn't have access to the output of production.
No need to slay the wicked, leave them to face death and they would perish. ------------------------- “It is the heart of US policy to use fascism to preserve capitalism while claiming to be saving democracy from communism “ - Michael Parenti |
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05/30/2018 12:22 PM
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who maintains who gets access to the output of production?
...and then one thing leads to another... and millions are dead see stalin and mao ...bb b but this time will be different |
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05/30/2018 12:50 PM
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It's the future johnny, and you're not in it.
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05/30/2018 02:54 PM
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You've always loved genocide
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05/30/2018 03:01 PM
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You've always loved genocide Can you link me to the genocide in the northern European countries? I must have missed it somewhere. ------------------------- I was right. |
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05/31/2018 05:23 AM
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You've always loved genocide Can you link me to the genocide in the northern European countries? I must have missed it somewhere. What exactly are you asking here and why? Seems like a out in left field response to Johnny's comment to Rusty in context of the conversation. ie asking about northern european countries specifically. |
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06/04/2018 05:36 PM
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Whining? I spent the weekend organizing. Fired up.
Vamos a ganar, pendejo. ------------------------- “It is the heart of US policy to use fascism to preserve capitalism while claiming to be saving democracy from communism “ - Michael Parenti |
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06/07/2018 04:05 PM
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AG Sessions said migrant children separated from parents have no legal or "moral right" to lawyers
GOP Cong. John Faso: "I don't agree... We gave the Nazis at Nuremberg counsel. I think anyone appearing in an American judicial proceeding needs to have counsel." -Steve Inskeep, Morning Edition |
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06/07/2018 04:25 PM
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------------------------- The REAL truth is....both of the forum idiots are OWNED. -BOTH of them have no clue who their owner is. -They are both card carrying narcissists. ^These are PROVED facts. |
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06/08/2018 04:23 PM
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'The alien incarceration report for the first quarter of fiscal year 2018 included figures on the cost of housing criminal aliens in the federal system. As of Dec. 31, 2017, the U.S. Marshals Service held about 16,233 aliens in a mix of state, local and private facilities, which cost nearly $1.5 million per day. The total cost of housing those aliens in the first quarter of FY2018 was $134 million, the report stated.'
------------------------- The REAL truth is....both of the forum idiots are OWNED. -BOTH of them have no clue who their owner is. -They are both card carrying narcissists. ^These are PROVED facts. |
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06/08/2018 05:16 PM
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Oink! Traitorous PigFish: we are all certainly made safer by your endless spew of russian provided chumpfscum proganda......
duhhhh.... ------------------------- It's a democratic hoax |
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06/18/2018 04:23 AM
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Yup - looks like I nailed this one again. A bunch of callous dingbats here.
Looks like Melania just crushed the dotard in chief's border policy as did Laura Bush. You trump dotards will just never get it. YOU are a South Park caricature - 'They took our jobs!' Basic human decency will win out. ------------------------- QOP = Terrorists FK = Gay |
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06/18/2018 05:43 AM
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I am all for immigration reform, less red tape on the path to citizenship, for immigration in general, and over the past few years have softened my stance on amnesty for current illegals. I am also against illegal immigration, for securing our border, and not allowing anyone else that comes into the country illegally to stay here once the borders are secured.
If that is callous to you, so be it. To me it is reasonable, fair, and a good middle ground that should be achievable if the left and right were actually willing to compromise. |
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06/18/2018 05:52 AM
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Simple yes/no question miker - do you support the policy put in place by the trump administration this past April? I am clearly a 'NO' - which are you?
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06/18/2018 06:18 AM
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Edit: Going to be a little more clear.
I assume you are talking about the zero tolerance policy. I am also guessing you are asking if I specifically support the separating children from their parents part. Is that correct? Edited: 06/18/2018 at 06:32 AM by miker |
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06/18/2018 06:52 AM
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Edit: Going to be a little more clear. I assume you are talking about the zero tolerance policy. I am also guessing you are asking if I specifically support the separating children from their parents part. Is that correct? Simply this - do you support the policy put in place by the trump administration this past April? ------------------------- QOP = Terrorists FK = Gay |
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06/18/2018 07:12 AM
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Simply this - do you support the policy put in place by the trump administration this past April? As it is currently being executed, my answer would be no. It isn't an issue that can fairly be simplified down to a yes/no answer though. |
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06/18/2018 07:31 AM
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Simply this - do you support the policy put in place by the trump administration this past April? As it is currently being executed, my answer would be no. It isn't an issue that can fairly be simplified down to a yes/no answer though. I was very clear and I was not asking about the overall issue, I was simply asking whether or not you supported this particular policy put in place by this administration, which is a yes/no question. One either supports it, or they do not - there is no grey area on this one. ------------------------- QOP = Terrorists FK = Gay |
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06/18/2018 07:53 AM
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I was very clear and I was not asking about the overall issue, I was simply asking whether or not you supported this particular policy put in place by this administration, which is a yes/no question. One either supports it, or they do not - there is no grey area on this one. The zero tolerance policy as currently being implemented, no I do not support it. I would less of a problem with the zero tolerance policy resulting in return to country of origin. Tit for tat, no point in that. |
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06/18/2018 06:22 AM
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Regarding our current citizens in this country. Are you against children and parents being separated when parents break the law and go to jail?
Edit: I am sure my question is going to piss off a couple of our bleeding hearts, but it is a fair question. If we are incarcerating people who break our laws, how do you propose to handle the children that are with these law breakers? We can't incarcerate the children too. Is your proposal to give a free pass to law breakers just because they have children? Would you apply that to our actual citizens as well or does it only apply to a certain class of law breakers? What is your solution to enforce the laws of our country that doesn't involve separating children from parents unilaterally? Also, I find it amusing how this is phrased as children being separated from their children. It implies, like Rusty said in another thread in his accusation towards Trump, that we (the USA) are 'kidnapping' children. When we look at it with that spin, the local/state/federal government has been 'kidnapping' the children of citizens for decades because their parent(s) went to jail. Edited: 06/18/2018 at 06:36 AM by miker |
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06/18/2018 07:15 AM
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How many misdemeanor violations result in immediate and indefinite incarceration? Kids go to family or foster depending on the situation, yes?
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06/18/2018 11:08 AM
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How many misdemeanor violations result in immediate and indefinite incarceration? Scombrid, regarding your earlier post/question, here is the actual law regarding the first offense at illegal entry. Any alien who (1) enters or attempts to enter the United States at any time or place other than as designated by immigration officers, or (2) eludes examination or inspection by immigration officers, or (3) attempts to enter or obtains entry to the United States by a willfully false or misleading representation or the willful concealment of a material fact, shall, for the first commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18 or imprisoned not more than 6 months, or both, and, for a subsequent commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18, or imprisoned not more than 2 years, or both. Granted this is only for illegal entry. It does not apply in many other cases, like people who come here legally then remain here illegally for example... |
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06/18/2018 11:54 AM
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So Sessions has some discretion on punishment? Obviously we need to be spending more money down there so people can be vetted between between "bad hombre" and "refugee" and that increased spending would be the increase cost of implementing a more reasonable and expidited legal process that would avoid forcing otherwise good people into bad situations. ------------------------- ... |
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06/18/2018 11:54 AM
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So Sessions has some discretion on punishment? Obviously we need to be spending more money down there so people can be vetted between between "bad hombre" and "refugee" and that increased spending would be the increase cost of implementing a more reasonable and expidited legal process that would avoid forcing otherwise good people into bad situations. ------------------------- ... |
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06/18/2018 06:40 AM
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You 1) keep the immigrant kids and parents together in lock up or 2) look to release to relatives here pending results of an investigation into their reason for coming or 3) immediately deport. You can't make an across the board comparison of an immigrant family coming to our border and a US citizen breaking the law with children. Too many variables.
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06/18/2018 06:50 AM
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You 1) keep the immigrant kids and parents together in lock up or 2) look to release to relatives here pending results of an investigation into their reason for coming or 3) immediately deport. You can't make an across the board comparison of an immigrant family coming to our border and a US citizen breaking the law with children. Too many variables. Responses: 1. We can't incarcerate children. That would be a huge issue, a bigger one in fact, internationally. 2. We would have to look to release the children to relatives outside of this country. While the idea is ideal, I am not sure it is feasible without overwhelming support from their countries of origin. 3. Yeah, this seems to be the most reasonable course of action. I agree you can't make an across the board comparison, but the truth is we have children being separated from their parents all the time in this country for non serious offenses. There is a whole other issue with incarcerating people that aren't citizens imo, simply because they aren't citizens with the same rights. |
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06/18/2018 06:41 AM
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You're seriously going to carry water for Sessions and Trump?
OK, let's see, as I understand it, entering the country illegally is a misdemeanor. Until April it was the policy of the United States to not waste time with prosecution. Further, the border thugs are also taking children from those who present themselves at a port of entry and request asylum. That is NOT illegal, yet these children are kidnapped also. This policy was instituted as intentionally cruelty meant to deter immigration. The fact is many or most of these people are refugees, fleeing violence and extreme poverty. If you were in Honduras or El Salvador and your family was in danger every day would YOU not try to escape? Fuck the law. ------------------------- “It is the heart of US policy to use fascism to preserve capitalism while claiming to be saving democracy from communism “ - Michael Parenti |
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06/18/2018 06:45 AM
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You're seriously going to carry water for Sessions and Trump? Not carrying water for anyone. I called it though. I knew some bleeding heart was going to get his panties in a bunch because I had the 'gall' to even ask legitimate questions. |
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06/18/2018 06:56 AM
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You're seriously going to carry water for Sessions and Trump? Not carrying water for anyone. I called it though. I knew some bleeding heart was going to get his panties in a bunch because I had the 'gall' to even ask legitimate questions. You "called" it? Bleeding heart? Do you think basic human decency and compassion is a sign of weakness or unmanly? You fucking bootlickers are all the same. I've got a legitimate question for you, how do those boots taste, bootlicker? ------------------------- “It is the heart of US policy to use fascism to preserve capitalism while claiming to be saving democracy from communism “ - Michael Parenti |
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06/18/2018 07:07 AM
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You "called" it? Bleeding heart? Do you think basic human decency and compassion is a sign of weakness or unmanly? You fucking bootlickers are all the same. I've got a legitimate question for you, how do those boots taste, bootlicker? Yeah... called it: I am sure my question is going to piss off a couple of our bleeding hearts, but it is a fair question. You seem pretty triggered. |
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06/18/2018 08:07 AM
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You "called" it? Bleeding heart? Do you think basic human decency and compassion is a sign of weakness or unmanly? You fucking bootlickers are all the same. I've got a legitimate question for you, how do those boots taste, bootlicker? Yeah... called it: I am sure my question is going to piss off a couple of our bleeding hearts, but it is a fair question. You seem pretty triggered. Ya think?! Let me tell you why. Beyond the shear annoyance at your trolling, the sentiments you express (it's the law, don't blame the cops, just doing their job, etc.) is how genocide happens. The holocaust didn't happen only because if the Nazis, it happened because regular Germans rationalized and ignored what the Nazis were doing. Remember that we established clearly at Nuremberg that "just following orders" is no defense to crimes against humanity. Anyone, from the jack booted thugs on the border, to the guards, to the politicians, down to even you bootlicking internet trolls who don't speak out against it are complicit and guilty. ------------------------- “It is the heart of US policy to use fascism to preserve capitalism while claiming to be saving democracy from communism “ - Michael Parenti |
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06/18/2018 08:16 AM
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Making the jump straight to the holocaust and Nazis. You are being a sensationalist and a drama queen. More importantly, you are just being stupid Rusty. There is zero rationality in any of what you just said as applied to this situation.
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06/18/2018 08:32 AM
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Making the jump straight to the holocaust and Nazis. You are being a sensationalist and a drama queen. More importantly, you are just being stupid Rusty. There is zero rationality in any of what you just said as applied to this situation. Children are being taken from their parents and imprisoned in cages by the United States government. Again I'll ask, how do those boots taste Mike? ------------------------- “It is the heart of US policy to use fascism to preserve capitalism while claiming to be saving democracy from communism “ - Michael Parenti |
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06/18/2018 08:36 AM
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Again I'll ask, how do those boots taste Mike? Why don't you tell me. All you are doing about it is whining on the internet. Don't worry though, the second there is even an inkling of a possibility that our border patrol is going to start systematically executing these people, I will be right there fighting them with every single veteran I know, who would do exactly the same to the man. I suspect I wouldn't see you there, though, because it would involve doing something more than crying on internet forums and wearing pink pussy hats. At least you will be able to rest easily knowing the situation was in good hands. |
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06/18/2018 08:44 AM
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Again I'll ask, how do those boots taste Mike? Why don't you tell me. All you are doing about it is whining on the internet. Don't worry though, the second there is even an inkling of a possibility that our border patrol is going to start systematically executing these people, I will be right there fighting them with every single veteran I know, who would do exactly the same to the man. I suspect I wouldn't see you there, though, because it would involve doing something more than crying on internet forums and wearing pink pussy hats. At least you will be able to rest easily knowing the situation was in good hands. Oh yeah, you're a real internet hero yourself. We don't expect to see you or the rest of the mall ninjas in this fight. Keep on trolling. ------------------------- “It is the heart of US policy to use fascism to preserve capitalism while claiming to be saving democracy from communism “ - Michael Parenti |
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06/18/2018 07:04 AM
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Don't forget that you cannot disentangle Session-Trump application of the zero tolerance policy from Sessions' ruling on asylum seekers. ------------------------- ... |
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06/18/2018 07:07 AM
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Funny Sessions is so obsessed with executing this particular law to the absolute letter with guidance from the Book of Romans but Sessions and Pruitt and other executive branch leaders are ignoring so many other laws. Makes the enforcement seem arbitrary, capricious, and ultimately political. ------------------------- ... |
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06/18/2018 07:14 AM
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Makes the enforcement seem arbitrary, capricious, and ultimately political. |
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06/18/2018 07:02 AM
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Further, the border thugs are also taking children from those who present themselves at a port of entry and request asylum. That is NOT illegal, yet these children are kidnapped also. "Border thugs". "Kidnapping" No. The people working the border are doing their jobs as they are told to do it. Sure, they have the option to refuse and quit their job, but many of them have their own families to think about. Outlandish stupidity like referring to these people as 'thugs' makes you part of the problem rather than part of the solutions. Also, these children aren't being 'kidnapped'...grossly stupid sensationalism. This policy was instituted as intentionally cruelty meant to deter immigration. Sure was and it has been shown not to work at all. You are someone that is unwilling to compromise on border security and immigration, people just like you in Washington on both sides of the issue are enablers and leave the door open for things like this to happen. The fact is many or most of these people are refugees, fleeing violence and extreme poverty. If you were in Honduras or El Salvador and your family was in danger every day would YOU not try to escape? What is your point? It is completely irrelevant. Maybe they should have went south to Costa Rica or Panama instead. Or just immigrate illegally to Mexico, it is closer and safer than where they were. Fuck the law. No. Absolutely wrong. Get the law changed if you disagree with it. That is the proper approach. |
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06/18/2018 07:40 AM
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"1. We can't incarcerate children. That would be a huge issue, a bigger one in fact, internationally."
That is what we, the United States of America, are doing (perhaps Faux doesn't show that?) hence a portion of the outcry. |
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06/18/2018 07:48 AM
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"1. We can't incarcerate children. That would be a huge issue, a bigger one in fact, internationally." That is what we, the United States of America, are doing (perhaps Faux doesn't show that?) hence a portion of the outcry. I don't know what Faux show or doesn't show. That should be the last place to go for an additional source of coverage on the issue. I am not sure I agree that the children are being 'incarcerated' though. |
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06/19/2018 09:14 AM
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Why is their effed up country our problem? I have no problem temporarily letting women and children in as refugees, but any males should automatically be returned to the country of origin. They have plenty of work that needs to be done in their own country. ------------------------- Specializing in sarcasm and condescending rhetoric since 1971. |
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06/18/2018 07:53 AM
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sounds like the entire family should be turned away at the border together, but im sure you all wont like that either
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06/18/2018 08:39 AM
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sounds like the entire family should be turned away at the border together, but im sure you all wont like that either NO, we aren't monsters. ------------------------- "The truth is incontrovertible. malice may attack it, ignorance may deride it, but in the end, there it is." -Sir Winston Churchill |
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06/18/2018 08:46 AM
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sounds like the entire family should be turned away at the border together, but im sure you all wont like that either NO, we aren't monsters. why take the lazy approach? why dont you go down to central and south america and fix their problems so they dont have to travel the trail of tears, get raped, and come here illegally? |
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06/18/2018 07:56 AM
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Lock them up!
The closure of a walmart is a boon for customs and border protection. Making jobs for Americans to watch kids. Another way for the corporate incarceration model to win! |
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06/18/2018 08:15 AM
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unfettered migration from central and south america is genocide
why don't you advocate for the annexation of the entire american continent (aside from canada - I suppose they are not a shithole)? |
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06/18/2018 08:46 AM
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I have an annecdote that miker will likely dismiss with "cool story bro" but I'll write it anyway. My brother lives in Watauga County, NC. Being the home of ASU and in the ritzy tourist zone that includes the very wealthy Blowing Rock area, Watauga is one of the riches counties in southern Appalachia. And yet in the past week he, on two separate occassions, has found a baggy of meth crystals and a loaded syringe on his property while out mowing the back 40. Cops are swamped with the drug problem there. Guess what are the top political hot topics up there though? Getting more money for local law enforcement to deal with meth, pills, and heroin? Nope. Abortion and Immigration are all the hill billy Trump voters are worried about. They are killing themselves with drugs and shooting each other in petty feud disputes but they are terrified of the white genocide, like Johnny. ------------------------- ... |
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06/18/2018 08:47 AM
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I have an annecdote that miker will likely dismiss with "cool story bro" but I'll write it anyway. My brother lives in Watauga County, NC. Being the home of ASU and in the ritzy tourist zone that includes the very wealthy Blowing Rock area, Watauga is one of the riches counties in southern Appalachia. And yet in the past week he, on two separate occassions, has found a baggy of meth crystals and a loaded syringe on his property while out mowing the back 40. Cops are swamped with the drug problem there. Guess what are the top political hot topics up there though? Getting more money for local law enforcement to deal with meth, pills, and heroin? Nope. Abortion and Immigration are all the hill billy Trump voters are worried about. They are killing themselves with drugs and shooting each other in petty feud disputes but they are terrified of the white genocide, like Johnny. exactly, we have so many problems already and you so badly desire more problems, while simultaneously ignoring old ones as black people are finding out, once dems find a new pet, they tend to ignore the old one |
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06/18/2018 08:53 AM
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I'm not ignoring anything. The folks playing political games with the illegal migrants are ignoring real problems. They're doing it on purpose too so that the hill billies won't notice that they pillaged the treasury to the tune of trillions. ------------------------- ... |
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06/18/2018 08:33 AM
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dont break the law and you can keep your kids
happens all the time to us citizens also, how can you be sure these adults are in fact the parents and you are not advocating for child sex traffickers? |
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06/18/2018 08:36 AM
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dont break the law and you can keep your kids happens all the time to us citizens A bootlicker says what? ------------------------- “It is the heart of US policy to use fascism to preserve capitalism while claiming to be saving democracy from communism “ - Michael Parenti |
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06/18/2018 08:39 AM
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dont break the law and you can keep your kids happens all the time to us citizens A bootlicker says what? no argument, nice and you missed this part: also, how can you be sure these adults are in fact the parents and you are not advocating for child sex traffickers? |
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06/18/2018 08:45 AM
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also, how can you be sure these adults are in fact the parents and you are not advocating for child sex traffickers? We're not even sure bootlickers like YOU aren't child sex traffickers. ------------------------- “It is the heart of US policy to use fascism to preserve capitalism while claiming to be saving democracy from communism “ - Michael Parenti |
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06/18/2018 08:37 AM
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It isn't like children carry ID's or anything. We don't know who these people are or whether or not they are with their parents. This is part of the problem. We need to know who is in our country.
------------------------- "The government who robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul," - George Bernard Shaw “Don’t underestimate Joe’s ability to f—k things up.” - Barack Obama “End of quote. Repeat the line.” - wise words from Joe Biden |
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06/18/2018 08:57 AM
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so get the dems on board with reasonable border security and immigration, and we can fix our existing problems
right now you arent even competing, I and many others will vote trump again solely for immigration |
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06/18/2018 09:06 AM
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so get the dems on board with reasonable border security and immigration, and we can fix our existing problems right now you arent even competing, I and many others will vote trump again solely for immigration because the mexicans stole your 8$/hour labor jobs, or MS13 sold you bunk crack? ------------------------- I troll 2L.com to be a better person in real life |
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06/18/2018 09:07 AM
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no, because demographics is destiny
and those jobs will be gone soon why do people only want to move to white countries? |
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06/18/2018 09:14 AM
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I didn't even have to try to get him to go there today. ------------------------- ... |
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06/18/2018 09:26 AM
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I think this guy is on the wrong forum. Aren't there websites where neonazis mingle, organize their cross burnings, set up dates with their cousins, etc.? |
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06/18/2018 09:45 AM
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why do people only want to move to white countries? That's funny. An estimated 8.7 million Americans live abroad. Last year, 500,000 Americans retired abroad. Where did they chose to move? Mexico Costa Rica Thailand Nicaragua Taiwan Where are you going to retire? Belle Glade? |
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06/18/2018 10:05 AM
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why do people only want to move to white countries? That's funny. An estimated 8.7 million Americans live abroad. Last year, 500,000 Americans retired abroad. Where did they chose to move? Mexico Costa Rica Thailand Nicaragua Taiwan Where are you going to retire? Belle Glade? I think he'd be most comfortable in East Peckerwood, Alabama. ------------------------- “It is the heart of US policy to use fascism to preserve capitalism while claiming to be saving democracy from communism “ - Michael Parenti |
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06/18/2018 09:23 AM
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Wow, sad
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06/18/2018 09:48 AM
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Retired because their money is worth more there, makes sense
Can live like a king in the third world when you no longer have need to earn 1 out of 4 gave an answer
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06/18/2018 10:41 AM
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------------------------- The REAL truth is....both of the forum idiots are OWNED. -BOTH of them have no clue who their owner is. -They are both card carrying narcissists. ^These are PROVED facts. |
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06/18/2018 10:45 AM
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------------------------- The REAL truth is....both of the forum idiots are OWNED. -BOTH of them have no clue who their owner is. -They are both card carrying narcissists. ^These are PROVED facts. |
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06/18/2018 10:50 AM
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The righties confused as usual. Faced with a heinous policy and results that are completely self inflicted they:
1. Try to blame someone else (Immigrant parents, Democrats, the whiskey fairy) 2. Jump at any feeble meme that confuses them just enough so they repost (see above) 3. React as their bloviated zero does and babble incoherently (check Twitler's feed) 4. All of the above Back down already, it's going to have to happen sooner or later. That will be funny! |
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06/18/2018 01:10 PM
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The righties confused as usual. Faced with a heinous policy and results that are completely self inflicted they: 1. Try to blame someone else (Immigrant parents, Democrats, the whiskey fairy) 2. Jump at any feeble meme that confuses them just enough so they repost (see above) 3. React as their bloviated zero does and babble incoherently (check Twitler's feed) 4. All of the above Back down already, it's going to have to happen sooner or later. That will be funny! YO...CRAP FOR BRAINS! Clinton MADE the law.....and OBAMA ENFORCED IT! ASSHOLE! ------------------------- The REAL truth is....both of the forum idiots are OWNED. -BOTH of them have no clue who their owner is. -They are both card carrying narcissists. ^These are PROVED facts. |
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06/18/2018 01:17 PM
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Scombrid. I posted this a while back ....this is part of our problem with immigration.
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06/18/2018 10:53 AM
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Confusion? Looks clear to me
Don't break the law, don't lose your alleged kids |
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06/18/2018 11:02 AM
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Confusion? Looks clear to me Don't break the law, don't lose your alleged kids Spoken like an alleged racist bootlicker. ------------------------- “It is the heart of US policy to use fascism to preserve capitalism while claiming to be saving democracy from communism “ - Michael Parenti |
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06/18/2018 11:04 AM
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Your boy is going to eat his ignorant words and of course lose more voters to the side of good where the sanctity of the family is actually cared about and not just given bible thumping lip service. Hey how is Stormy's suit doing?
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06/18/2018 11:20 AM
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Your boy is going to eat his ignorant words and of course lose more voters to the side of good where the sanctity of the family is actually cared about and not just given bible thumping lip service. Hey how is Stormy's suit doing? lol the side of good, he says while decapitating a baby with forceps let's not forget about welfare incentivising single motherhood good luck with that |
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06/18/2018 11:21 AM
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"Kraft, president of the American Academy of Pediatrics, said colleagues who were alarmed by what was going on at the border invited her to see for herself, so she visited a shelter run by the Office of Refugee Resettlement.
We needed to see what was happening and tell the country and the world about it," she said. The really basic, foundational needs of having trust in adults as a young child was not being met. That contradicts everything we know that the kids need to build their health," Kraft said. Such a situation could have long-term, devastating effects on young children, who are likely to develop what is called toxic stress in their brain once separated from caregivers or parents they trusted. It disrupts a child's brain development and increases the levels of fight-or-flight hormones in their bodies, Kraft said. This kind of emotional trauma could eventually lead to health problems, such as heart disease and substance abuse disorders. Child abuse, willful and intentional. ------------------------- “It is the heart of US policy to use fascism to preserve capitalism while claiming to be saving democracy from communism “ - Michael Parenti |
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06/18/2018 11:28 AM
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so do you want the children imprisoned with their adult?
that would make detecting whether these were sex trafficking victims basically impossible |
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06/18/2018 11:52 AM
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No, I want a return to the policy in place prior to the so called "zero tolerance" which trump and sessions put in place in April.
Brutalizing refugees makes the USA a pariah. ------------------------- “It is the heart of US policy to use fascism to preserve capitalism while claiming to be saving democracy from communism “ - Michael Parenti |
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06/18/2018 12:27 PM
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You know what drives people to crime and violence like MS-13?
Being brutalized as a child. But don't discount the fact that this sort of manufactured crisis is also a front to funnel tax payer money into the private, for profit, prison system. ------------------------- “It is the heart of US policy to use fascism to preserve capitalism while claiming to be saving democracy from communism “ - Michael Parenti |
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06/18/2018 12:31 PM
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exactly, they were brutalized far before they reached the border, go fix the problems that are generating migration if you really care
stop treating the symptom and go fix the problem you are rewarding the trafficking system and all it entails that gets them to the border |
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06/18/2018 04:42 PM
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exactly, they were brutalized far before they reached the border, go fix the problems that are generating migration if you really care stop treating the symptom and go fix the problem you are rewarding the trafficking system and all it entails that gets them to the border You are right, we should fix the probelms, some of which are the very problems that we, THE USA, created in Central America that have driven refugees right here to our very border. Our country is not innocent in this matter, not by a long shot. Remember that time when the CIA was selling arms to IRAN so as to fund the contra rebels in Nicaragua. I do. And that's just scratching the surface. To use kids as political pawns is despicable. I would expect nothing less though from this shitbag of a person that is our president. ------------------------- QOP = Terrorists FK = Gay |
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06/18/2018 12:39 PM
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The people of central and south America have been brutalized by the Unites States for generations.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_American_crisis They don't want to come here for some half assed fake "freedom", they just want to live, eat, work, and be safe. ------------------------- “It is the heart of US policy to use fascism to preserve capitalism while claiming to be saving democracy from communism “ - Michael Parenti |
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06/18/2018 05:36 PM
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The people of central and south America have been brutalized by the Unites States for generations. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C...American_crisis They don't want to come here for some half assed fake "freedom", they just want to live, eat, work, and be safe. Mexico is technically North America, not Central, but that's neither here nor there. Why can't the other countries in Central America be more like Costa Rica? I don't think we've brutalized them for generations. And why don't the migrants go to nearby Costa Rica, Panama, Colombia, Ecuador, where the gang problems and abuse aren't so bad, and they already speak the language? Mexico doesn't want them, but they grant free passage northward. Much is broken. |
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06/18/2018 12:44 PM
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so why do you only want to help those that migrate through this 'system'?
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06/18/2018 12:48 PM
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johnnyreb confusing abortion which is the right of a woman under our constitution with the immoral (Former First Lady Ms. Bush's words) activity taken by the party of the the old uneducated white guy. He's blinded by the fright.
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06/18/2018 01:20 PM
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johnnyreb confusing abortion which is the right of a woman under our constitution with the immoral (Former First Lady Ms. Bush's words) activity taken by the party of the the old uneducated white guy. He's blinded by the fright. Hmm... regarding the first part. Constitutional rights stop at the point it would infringe upon the constitutional rights of someone else. At what point does a fetus have constitutional rights as a living being? Birth? No... otherwise criminals wouldn't be charged with murder in the killing of a child in the womb. So when? Regarding the second part.... what are white people afraid of? Does that apply too to educated people and people without pasty white skin that have the same view point on immigration? What about women with the viewpoint? |
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06/18/2018 02:09 PM
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http://www.breitbart.com/big-g...book&utm_medium=social
------------------------- The REAL truth is....both of the forum idiots are OWNED. -BOTH of them have no clue who their owner is. -They are both card carrying narcissists. ^These are PROVED facts. |
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06/18/2018 02:11 PM
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http://thefederalistpapers.org...ed-with-a-single-tweet
------------------------- The REAL truth is....both of the forum idiots are OWNED. -BOTH of them have no clue who their owner is. -They are both card carrying narcissists. ^These are PROVED facts. |
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06/18/2018 02:13 PM
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------------------------- The REAL truth is....both of the forum idiots are OWNED. -BOTH of them have no clue who their owner is. -They are both card carrying narcissists. ^These are PROVED facts. |
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06/18/2018 05:39 PM
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Yo....Shitheads!
FACTS: "Department of Homeland Security (DHS) Secretary Kirstjen Nielsen corrected the establishment media's false narrative that all children inundating the United States-Mexico border are arriving with their parents. During a White House news conference on Monday evening, Nielsen debunked the media's false claims that conflate all child border crossers as being taken from their border crossing parents. Nielsen said that the "vast, vast majority" of the 12,000 child border crossers in federal custody were actually sent to the southern border alone with human smugglers." YOU'RE ALL FAKE NEWS! FACT!!!! ------------------------- The REAL truth is....both of the forum idiots are OWNED. -BOTH of them have no clue who their owner is. -They are both card carrying narcissists. ^These are PROVED facts. |
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06/18/2018 07:09 PM
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The president summed it up nicely before he was elected
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06/18/2018 07:38 PM
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If you cross the border illegally, what is the charge?
And no, Obama and Bush didn't enforce the law. And yes, Trump is doing it on purpose. They have admitted so several times. ------------------------- I was right. |
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06/19/2018 04:17 AM
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The president summed it up nicely before he was elected How do those boots taste? ------------------------- “It is the heart of US policy to use fascism to preserve capitalism while claiming to be saving democracy from communism “ - Michael Parenti |
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06/19/2018 04:28 AM
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The president summed it up nicely before he was elected How do those boots taste? I was critical of a few things Barack Obama did, but I thought he was a pretty good president overall. Not sure I qualified as his boot licker though. Given you were a bigger fan of his than I was maybe you should be asking yourself that question. |
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06/19/2018 04:35 AM
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hook line sinker and gut hooked funny |
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06/19/2018 05:12 AM
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The president summed it up nicely before he was elected How do those boots taste? I was critical of a few things Barack Obama did, but I thought he was a pretty good president overall. Not sure I qualified as his boot licker though. Given you were a bigger fan of his than I was maybe you should be asking yourself that question. You don't know me well enough I guess to know I was against Obama's immigration policy too, in fact he deported more immigrants than his predecessor. Neo-libs are terrible on immigration, but none of them deliberately broke up families and put children in concentration camps. As for you, since you're still defending both past and present policy, I'll ask again, how do those boots taste? ------------------------- “It is the heart of US policy to use fascism to preserve capitalism while claiming to be saving democracy from communism “ - Michael Parenti Edited: 06/19/2018 at 05:22 AM by RustyTruck |
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06/19/2018 05:16 AM
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06/19/2018 06:28 AM
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The president summed it up nicely before he was elected How do those boots taste? I was critical of a few things Barack Obama did, but I thought he was a pretty good president overall. Not sure I qualified as his boot licker though. Given you were a bigger fan of his than I was maybe you should be asking yourself that question. You don't know me well enough I guess to know I was against Obama's immigration policy too, in fact he deported more immigrants than his predecessor. Neo-libs are terrible on immigration, but none of them deliberately broke up families and put children in concentration camps. As for you, since you're still defending both past and present policy, I'll ask again, how do those boots taste? No idea as I didn't vote for Trump or Obama. Keep flailing about though. |
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06/19/2018 06:31 AM
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Keep flailing about though. And you keep licking. ------------------------- “It is the heart of US policy to use fascism to preserve capitalism while claiming to be saving democracy from communism “ - Michael Parenti |
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06/19/2018 06:34 AM
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Keep flailing about though. And you keep licking. Not relevant no matter how triggered you are. You actually voted for the president I quoted. 
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06/19/2018 06:41 AM
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You also voted for this person Rusty:
"We have to send a clear message, just because your child gets across the border, that doesn't mean the child gets to stay. So, we don't want to send a message that is contrary to our laws or will encourage more children to make that dangerous journey." |
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06/18/2018 07:53 PM
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Since when did arriving at the border seeking asylum turn into a criminal act to warrant family separation?
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06/19/2018 04:45 AM
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Since when did arriving at the border seeking asylum turn into a criminal act to warrant family separation? exactly. It is not they are not criminals they are refugeees ------------------------- "The truth is incontrovertible. malice may attack it, ignorance may deride it, but in the end, there it is." -Sir Winston Churchill |
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06/19/2018 04:46 AM
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Since when did arriving at the border seeking asylum turn into a criminal act to warrant family separation? exactly. It is not they are not criminals they are refugeees Crossing our border without Federal permission is a CRIME! ASSHOLE! Any alien who (1) enters or attempts to enter the United States at any time or place other than as designated by immigration officers, or (2) eludes examination or inspection by immigration officers, or (3) attempts to enter or obtains entry to the United States by a willfully false or misleading representation or the willful concealment of a material fact, shall, for the first commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18 or imprisoned not more than 6 months, or both, and, for a subsequent commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18, or imprisoned not more than 2 years, or both. ------------------------- The REAL truth is....both of the forum idiots are OWNED. -BOTH of them have no clue who their owner is. -They are both card carrying narcissists. ^These are PROVED facts. |
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06/18/2018 08:46 PM
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Instead of wasting $20 billion on a wall that won't work, why not spend it instead improving Central America?
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06/19/2018 02:40 AM
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3rd - We ain't paying 20b+ for the southern wall, silly....them Mexicans are paying for it! This is the Trumpettes way of distracting --->> Look! Squirrel!! Kellyanne Conjob did the rounds on Sunday and is a good soldier for Trump, even though what she says are mostly Alternate Facts. Bush and Obama didn't have this issue even though they had the same laws on the books. And to be fair, Obama was no softie on deporting duly processed immigration cases. Look at the deportations under Obama's Presidency vs Trump or Bush. But, Trump thinks this fabricated drama will take the heat off of his other problems. BTW - Most of the people who enter without authorization are not criminals, even in the most strict legal sense. https://www.cnn.com/2017/02/24/politics/undocumented-immigrants-not-necessarily-criminal/index.html
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06/19/2018 02:45 AM
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$20B? Last I read was $66B. Poor Mexico. Just for scale: NASA $18B Planned Parenthood $1.7B Public Broadcasting $0.4B
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06/19/2018 04:53 AM
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The United States is a party to the Refugee Convention (1967 protocol). Article 31 of the convention states that any individual who crosses into the signatory's country has up to one year to claim asylum by presenting to authorities and if they do, they shall not be subject to criminal statutes.
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06/19/2018 04:54 AM
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The United States is a party to the Refugee Convention (1967 protocol). Article 31 of the convention states that any individual who crosses into the signatory's country has up to one year to claim asylum by presenting to authorities and if they do, they shall not be subject to criminal statutes. Federal LAW trumps ALL 'protocols'! FACT! ------------------------- The REAL truth is....both of the forum idiots are OWNED. -BOTH of them have no clue who their owner is. -They are both card carrying narcissists. ^These are PROVED facts. |
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06/19/2018 05:00 AM
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Most showed up at the border and asked for asylum.
Not a crime. Eve if they tried to cross illegaly, it's just a misdemeanor. You don't loose custody of your children for being charged with a misdemeaner. What Is Really Behind Trump's Controversial Immigration Policies? ------------------------- "The truth is incontrovertible. malice may attack it, ignorance may deride it, but in the end, there it is." -Sir Winston Churchill Edited: 06/19/2018 at 06:05 AM by WG |
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06/19/2018 08:54 AM
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Most showed up at the border and asked for asylum. Liar! ------------------------- The REAL truth is....both of the forum idiots are OWNED. -BOTH of them have no clue who their owner is. -They are both card carrying narcissists. ^These are PROVED facts. |
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06/19/2018 05:06 AM
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It is always racism or misogyny behind everything
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06/19/2018 05:45 AM
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It is always racism or misogyny behind everything It is when it is. Some can never see it. ------------------------- "The truth is incontrovertible. malice may attack it, ignorance may deride it, but in the end, there it is." -Sir Winston Churchill |
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06/19/2018 05:54 AM
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It is always racism or misogyny behind everything It is when it is. Some can never see it. Or choose not to see it. ------------------------- “It is the heart of US policy to use fascism to preserve capitalism while claiming to be saving democracy from communism “ - Michael Parenti |
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06/19/2018 06:31 AM
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It is always racism or misogyny behind everything It is when it is. Some can never see it. Unfortunately we have too many incidents of 'it is' when 'it is not' that murky the waters. It has become a default response for far too many people. |
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06/19/2018 06:09 AM
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The kids are being used as max leverage to get an immigration bill passed.
Anything else does not ring true. |
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06/19/2018 06:11 AM
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FACT - the policy made trying to enter the US for any reason (including seeking asylum) a crime, whereas before this policy enacted in April, it was not a crime to come to the border and seek asylum
FACT - trump and anyone who supports this is lesser than a piece of shit ------------------------- QOP = Terrorists FK = Gay |
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06/19/2018 08:56 AM
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FACT - the policy made trying to enter the US for any reason (including seeking asylum) a crime, whereas before this policy enacted in April, it was not a crime to come to the border and seek asylum FACT - trump and anyone who supports this is lesser than a piece of shit Any alien who (1) enters or attempts to enter the United States at any time or place other than as designated by immigration officers, or (2) eludes examination or inspection by immigration officers, or (3) attempts to enter or obtains entry to the United States by a willfully false or misleading representation or the willful concealment of a material fact, shall, for the first commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18 or imprisoned not more than 6 months, or both, and, for a subsequent commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18, or imprisoned not more than 2 years, or both. ------------------------- The REAL truth is....both of the forum idiots are OWNED. -BOTH of them have no clue who their owner is. -They are both card carrying narcissists. ^These are PROVED facts. |
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06/19/2018 06:18 AM
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well Israel must be the depths of hell
at least we don't snipe children from the border leaving the asylum process ripe for abuse doesn't make you a good person |
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06/19/2018 06:42 AM
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The president you quoted didn't break up families and put children in concentration camps, he just deported them.
Obama's immigration policies were shitty, but the trump regime's child abuse is despicable and probably a violation of international commitments on refugee policy. All people of good conscience are united against the brutalization of helpless children. We know what side you're on. ------------------------- “It is the heart of US policy to use fascism to preserve capitalism while claiming to be saving democracy from communism “ - Michael Parenti |
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06/19/2018 06:56 AM
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We know what side you're on. Of course, it has been clearly stated. Though it is possible you are blinded by rage because you are pretty triggered..... Simply this - do you support the policy put in place by the trump administration this past April? As it is currently being executed, my answer would be no. ...and this as well You 1) keep the immigrant kids and parents together in lock up or 2) look to release to relatives here pending results of an investigation into their reason for coming or 3) immediately deport. You can't make an across the board comparison of an immigrant family coming to our border and a US citizen breaking the law with children. Too many variables. Responses: 1. We can't incarcerate children. That would be a huge issue, a bigger one in fact, internationally. 2. We would have to look to release the children to relatives outside of this country. While the idea is ideal, I am not sure it is feasible without overwhelming support from their countries of origin. 3. Yeah, this seems to be the most reasonable course of action. I will give you the benefit of doubt Rusty because I suppose it is hard to read when you are blinded by rage. |
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06/19/2018 07:04 AM
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We know what side you're on. Of course, it has been clearly stated. Though it is possible you are blinded by rage because you are pretty triggered..... Simply this - do you support the policy put in place by the trump administration this past April? As it is currently being executed, my answer would be no. ...and this as well You 1) keep the immigrant kids and parents together in lock up or 2) look to release to relatives here pending results of an investigation into their reason for coming or 3) immediately deport. You can't make an across the board comparison of an immigrant family coming to our border and a US citizen breaking the law with children. Too many variables. Responses: 1. We can't incarcerate children. That would be a huge issue, a bigger one in fact, internationally. 2. We would have to look to release the children to relatives outside of this country. While the idea is ideal, I am not sure it is feasible without overwhelming support from their countries of origin. 3. Yeah, this seems to be the most reasonable course of action. I will give you the benefit of doubt Rusty because I suppose it is hard to read when you are blinded by rage. I see you Mike... 
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06/19/2018 06:43 AM
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oh so you are okay with just deporting them?
well, there's the answer to the problem I would have figured straight up deporting them would be considered more callous I mean surely they would end up as victims to the cartels and are as good as dead? |
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06/19/2018 07:01 AM
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oh so you are okay with just deporting them? well, there's the answer to the problem I would have figured straight up deporting them would be considered more callous I mean surely they would end up as victims to the cartels and are as good as dead? I have seen some outspoken people on the left make the argument that it was callous and as good as a death sentence for some people. I don't think there is a way to appease everyone on the left though, even if the border patrol was completely shut down and illegals were allowed to come into this country unfettered, there would still be criticism and outcry over something. |
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06/19/2018 07:11 AM
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LOL U MAD
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06/19/2018 07:34 AM
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LOL U MAD Nah, the picture is funny. It doesn't bother me if you like the taste of boots. ------------------------- “It is the heart of US policy to use fascism to preserve capitalism while claiming to be saving democracy from communism “ - Michael Parenti |
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06/19/2018 07:37 AM
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Ok Rusty, I guess you like the taste of boot as well. After all, we both agree that incarcerating children is bad and we both believe deportation is a better option than what is currently being done.
But anyways, let the rage flow through you. |
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06/19/2018 07:57 AM
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But anyways, let the rage flow through you. Of course. Rage in face of inhumanity is entirely appropriate. June 30. ------------------------- “It is the heart of US policy to use fascism to preserve capitalism while claiming to be saving democracy from communism “ - Michael Parenti |
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06/19/2018 08:02 AM
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Of course. Rage in face of inhumanity is entirely appropriate. June 30. Sure, if you direct it appropriately. You aren't. |
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06/19/2018 07:39 AM
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This will have repercussions.
The chance that Democrats retake congress gets better everyday. Fucking evil assholes don't just need the boot, they need a boot up the ass. ------------------------- I was right. |
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06/19/2018 08:57 AM
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This will have repercussions. The chance that Democrats retake congress gets better everyday. Fucking evil assholes don't just need the boot, they need a boot up the ass. ALWAYS liking that homosexual crap! Thats you. ------------------------- The REAL truth is....both of the forum idiots are OWNED. -BOTH of them have no clue who their owner is. -They are both card carrying narcissists. ^These are PROVED facts. |
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06/19/2018 09:15 AM
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This will have repercussions. The chance that Democrats retake congress gets better everyday. Fucking evil assholes don't just need the boot, they need a boot up the ass. ALWAYS liking that homosexual crap! Thats you. I don't like men and never have, I was born heterosexual, so don't go and blame your secret pining on me. ------------------------- I was right. |
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06/19/2018 12:32 PM
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This will have repercussions. The hance that Democrats retake congress gets better everyday. Fucking evil assholes don't just need the boot, they need a boot up the ass. ALWAYS liking that homosexual crap! Thats you. I don't like men and never have, I was born heterosexual, so don't go and blame your secret pining on me. ....it's not mine...YOU SAID IT! Own your own homosexual shit! Hope you enjoy that boot in your ass! ASSHOLE! ------------------------- The REAL truth is....both of the forum idiots are OWNED. -BOTH of them have no clue who their owner is. -They are both card carrying narcissists. ^These are PROVED facts. |
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06/19/2018 07:15 AM
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miker comes out as hating women!
"Hmm... regarding the first part. Constitutional rights stop at the point it would infringe upon the constitutional rights of someone else. At what point does a fetus have constitutional rights as a living being? Birth? No... otherwise criminals wouldn't be charged with murder in the killing of a child in the womb. So when?" SO separating kids from parents to him is merely the collateral damage of his religious crusade! Onward Christian soldiers! The almost hilarious part is that Trump could have actually done the right thing before enlisting his army losers to carry his $hitty message. He continues to show what a colossal idiot he is and only aged white haters like it. Sad https://amp.businessinsider.com/images/5b0dbccf1ae66230008b4fec-960-623.jpg |
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06/19/2018 07:25 AM
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miker comes out as hating women! "Hmm... regarding the first part. Constitutional rights stop at the point it would infringe upon the constitutional rights of someone else. At what point does a fetus have constitutional rights as a living being? Birth? No... otherwise criminals wouldn't be charged with murder in the killing of a child in the womb. So when?" SO separating kids from parents to him is merely the collateral damage of his religious crusade! Onward Christian soldiers! #1. You are stupid. I have a well documented history of the fact that I am an atheist. #2. You are stupid. I have a well documented history of being pro-choice. Don't be blinded by your liberal hate and stop summoning misogyny demons by default, because it just makes you look irrational. Try using your brain a little. There is a reason why late term abortions are banned in most (but not all!) places in this country. There is also a reason why some criminals killing a pregnant woman also get charged with murder of the fetus as well. My stance, again which is well documented on these boards, is that I am pro-choice up until the point a fetus is viable with a functional brain (and thus a life). At that point, I believe it becomes an entity with its own constitutional rights. |
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06/19/2018 08:08 AM
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miker seems to be straddling again. He's like Melania except he talks. It must be hard to be caught up in a movement he knows is as wrong as Twitler wanting to date his daughter. But at least he knows when a fetus is viable and that there is no god! Solid foundation! Suggested reading for him: Free Beacon, American Thinker, and reruns of the short lived Roseanne revival, where he might find some similar viewpoints.
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06/19/2018 08:28 AM
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Sorry Green, but every issue isn't black or white even if you crackpots like to pretend they are. Sure you can take the stance the far right stance that life begins at fertilization or the far left stance that a fetus isn't a life until it leaves a womb, be it at 6 months or 9. Personally, I believe both those stances are foolish and wrong. If you want to call my stance on that 'straddling', then I will happily and proudly accept not being a part of the crackpot extremes that are doing their best to destroy this country. I guess, people like you?
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06/19/2018 08:50 AM
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Life begins at 40.
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06/19/2018 09:30 AM
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Destroy the country? Oh no, make the country better. And it will be once the last vestiges of "entitled high school educated white guy that wants to go back in time to when women and minorities didn't have an equal footing with them" are gone. This place is going to rock even harder than it already does! It won't be long.
The internet came around a bit too soon. These grizzled culture warriors were able to kind of use social media to spread their lunacy and find like minded dullards. And of course Cambridge Analytica found that you could lie to these gullible nimrods and they'd support any cause as long as you concealed the ulterior motive in hate of women and minorities. Make America great again? It already is great you simple sacks |
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06/19/2018 09:33 AM
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then why are you trying to change it?
you are right, the internet and the free exchange of ideas is why trump won it would have been much harder if we were only inundated with the left wing views on TV and traditional centralized media inb4 but muh fox news!! |
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06/19/2018 09:37 AM
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And consequences of bad decisions will be the reason he loses.
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06/19/2018 09:38 AM
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im seeing many msm articles with tempered expectations of this blue wave
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06/19/2018 09:43 AM
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Oh if the blue wave comes in there will be no need for him to lose at the polls.
But if he survives the midterms as the economic consequences of his isolationist, tax-cut and spend policies set in even the trailer parks will turn on him. Hopefully just in time for the purge of the Democratic party to reach critical mass. ------------------------- “It is the heart of US policy to use fascism to preserve capitalism while claiming to be saving democracy from communism “ - Michael Parenti |
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06/19/2018 09:46 AM
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Sorry greenie, right or left is irrelevant if you are extreme. It is an untenable and unreasonable position. But by all means, alienate the middle left because they aren't liberal enough and demonize the middle right by lumping them in with the Nazis on the far right.
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06/19/2018 10:09 AM
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"im seeing many msm articles with tempered expectations of this blue wave"
Tariffs evolving into a trade war and of course the moral vacuum being created by the draconian policies of Twitler Corp. will put some power back in the wave. Hey did you hear the Chinese tariffs are targeting commodities from areas that supported Twitler? That seems kind of smart huh? |
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06/19/2018 10:13 AM
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The Chinese are smarter than trump and 38% of Americans
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06/19/2018 11:26 AM
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if I said that it would be racist
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06/19/2018 11:37 AM
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The Declaration of Independence states that ALL men are created equal. It didn't mention anything about where they were born having anything to do with it. Just Sayin ------------------------- "I remember South Africa in the late 70's, sleeping on the beach at J-bay, smoking ganja with the blacks. On weekends we'd go to the pub in East London to drink beer and fight with the Afrikaners. They liked to fight, I liked to fight. It was a good time" |
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06/19/2018 11:50 AM
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Cool, but you should be looking at the US Constitution rather than the declaration of our independence from England.
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06/19/2018 11:59 AM
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Hmm .... a political party on ISideWith that I know nothing about, the Women's Equality party.
Looks like seeing the need for more regulation in a few areas due to circumstance has me less aligned with the libertarian party now and more aligned with the democratic. Well that and the questions are different than the last time I took the test. 63% Democratic 57% Socialist 54% Green 47% Libertarian 47% Republican 38% Constitution 34% Women's Equality Part of the rise in socialism might be due to the UBI question they added. There wasn't an option that matched my stance on that ....which is yes, eventually it will be forced on us, but not now. I went ahead and answered yes... though I could have just as easily answered no. Foreign Policy - Middle Economy - Middle Healthcare - Dem Social Issues - Dem Environment - Very Dem Science - Dem Immigration - Slightly Rep Domestic Policy - Slightly Dem Education - Rep (shocked by this one) Transportation - Very Dem Elections - Very Dem Crime - Very Dem National Security - Slightly Dem Probably shouldn't label that middle/far ...because that isn't exactly what it is. I was just using the Democratic and Republican parties as my go to point. Going to change it to dem/rep Edited: 06/19/2018 at 12:12 PM by miker |
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06/19/2018 12:13 PM
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UBI is a big reason I'm a stick in the mud on unskilled immigration. I fear it may be inevitable also
The more unskilled migrants you allow into the country, the lower quality of life for those unskilled folks already here It's just not the best thing for the country. Liberals get a feel good dopamine rush though. It's like the far left wants to support the entire world with some global socialism new world order |
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06/19/2018 12:55 PM
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"The more unskilled migrants you allow into the country, the lower quality of life for those unskilled folks already here"
Why do you think they are "unskilled". Are they all part of MS-13 too? How about the unskilled Americans... I betcha Twitler is helping them become productive members of society! Ellis Island 
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06/19/2018 01:28 PM
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The illegal immigrants (which are like the poor ass ellis island immigrants in every way except origin) of today are a miniscule threat to the average joe American in comparison to what is going on in the realms of regulation, taxation, and trade. What is going on now is not unlike the late 19th and early 20th centuries. The nationalism. The robber barons trying to consolidate their power and foment racial and ethnic discord to keep the masses from being united. Shit just goes in circles. ------------------------- ... |
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06/19/2018 01:06 PM
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UBI wasnt even a pipedream back then
we are in a new era social entitlements were nonexistent back then too? |
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06/19/2018 01:08 PM
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------------------------- The REAL truth is....both of the forum idiots are OWNED. -BOTH of them have no clue who their owner is. -They are both card carrying narcissists. ^These are PROVED facts. |
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06/19/2018 01:20 PM
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Signed by Bush, so that means it was passed by Republicans.
Well what do you know, another lie from the King of Lies himself. How do you clean up a law and enforce it at the same time? ------------------------- I was right. |
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06/20/2018 04:56 AM
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Signed by Bush, so that means it was passed by Republicans. Well what do you know, another lie from the King of Lies himself. How do you clean up a law and enforce it at the same time? Passed by democraps in the House and Senate. Trump now has to clean up YOUR shit hole mess! ------------------------- The REAL truth is....both of the forum idiots are OWNED. -BOTH of them have no clue who their owner is. -They are both card carrying narcissists. ^These are PROVED facts. |
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06/20/2018 04:56 AM
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Signed by Bush, so that means it was passed by Republicans. Well what do you know, another lie from the King of Lies himself. How do you clean up a law and enforce it at the same time? Passed by democraps in the House and Senate. Trump now has to clean up YOUR shit hole mess! ------------------------- The REAL truth is....both of the forum idiots are OWNED. -BOTH of them have no clue who their owner is. -They are both card carrying narcissists. ^These are PROVED facts. |
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06/20/2018 05:13 AM
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Fixing a flawed law by radically enforcing it?
You truly are a fucking idiot. lol And the congressional makeup in 2002? 50 Republicans, 50 Democrats and 1 Independent in the Senate - 221 Republicans, 212 Democrats in the House. You are a liar. Yo are the King of Liars. ------------------------- I was right. |
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06/19/2018 01:23 PM
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Tadpole swallower as gullible as ever. The minors are accompanied so...
This is Twitler's policy and he brought it out at a perfect time. He hates the GOP more than the NFL apparently. |
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06/19/2018 01:24 PM
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#Fakenews #Propaganda
------------------------- QOP = Terrorists FK = Gay |
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06/19/2018 01:27 PM
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Hy8UwpenlEA# Bill Clinton
https://youtu.be/lHg93lVbaY4 Barack Obama. And Hillary Clinton in 2014 saying that children should be sent back with their illegal parents. https://youtu.be/Lps-As9djiw |
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06/19/2018 01:32 PM
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did ellis island immigrants get welfare? govt subsidized housing? healthcare?
were they in a post industrialized environment with increasing automation? |
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06/19/2018 02:51 PM
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did ellis island immigrants get welfare? govt subsidized housing? healthcare? were they in a post industrialized environment with increasing automation? Non citizens do not get what you listed. Children born the the US are US citizens. That little ditty is in the dreaded Constitution. ------------------------- I was right. |
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06/19/2018 02:10 PM
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In 2002 what party had a majority in the House?
In 2002, what party had a majority in the Senate? In 2002, what party was the president representing? |
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06/19/2018 02:27 PM
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Stupid socialist America probably gives welfare and subsidized housing and healthcare to deadbeat Americans too. You betcha!
Those problems aren't going away soon. There is an issue with Twitler's gestapo taking kids from parents at the border and everyone but Twitler's supporters thinking it's wrong... |
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06/19/2018 04:27 PM
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Y'all were sleeping when Congress took $2.1 Trillion from the Social Security surplus.
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06/19/2018 05:07 PM
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These maggots are creating an entire new generation of enemies of america.
Obviously none of the chumpfscum dirtbags on this forum ever actually ventured out into the wide wonderful world beyond our borders. And you, and your treasonous, putin controlled lord loofa: Have set the efforts of generations of bold adventurous water sportsmen back by decades. With your ignorance, stupidity, and racism. duuuhhhhhh........ ------------------------- It's a democratic hoax |
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06/19/2018 06:25 PM
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Americans abroad will be much less safe because of this.
Like to surf down south? You might have to pay trumps tab. ------------------------- “It is the heart of US policy to use fascism to preserve capitalism while claiming to be saving democracy from communism “ - Michael Parenti |
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06/20/2018 05:07 AM
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Why the pretend outrage from Mexico about this situation? They seem perfectly content to let these people from Guatemala pass all the way through their country to get to ours. Perhaps they should take them in instead of pretending to be mad about it. It sure the hell would be more humane to do so. Mexico is huge.
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06/20/2018 05:19 AM
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Why the pretend outrage from Mexico about this situation? They seem perfectly content to let these people from Guatemala pass all the way through their country to get to ours. Perhaps they should take them in instead of pretending to be mad about it. It sure the hell would be more humane to do so. Mexico is huge. It might help if you knew what you were talking about. http://www.npr.org/sections/pa...s-own-southern-border ------------------------- I was right. |
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06/20/2018 05:29 AM
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Why the pretend outrage from Mexico about this situation? They seem perfectly content to let these people from Guatemala pass all the way through their country to get to ours. Perhaps they should take them in instead of pretending to be mad about it. It sure the hell would be more humane to do so. Mexico is huge. It might help if you knew what you were talking about. http://www.npr.org/sections/pa...southern-border Cole the point was about the pretend outrage being exhibited by Mexico. They are detaining and deporting rather than taking in the Guatemalans. Though only with half ass measures because the illegals from their southern border still seem to have fairly free access to travel at night for the most part. We both know the truth, they don't want them in their country period but as long as they are coming to ours instead, they turn a blind eye after a certain point... then feign outrage for us treating them the exact same way. Crocodile tears. |
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06/20/2018 05:40 AM
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Most people are upset by caged children. Are Mexicans not entitled to those feelings?
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06/20/2018 05:43 AM
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Mexicans? Yes.
The country Mexico? No. Their policy is enabling, part of the problem, and they are criticizing us for something they do themselves. Crocodile tears. |
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06/20/2018 05:11 AM
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It is clearly a problem to have people coming into this country, and yes those parents are taking a huge risk for them and their kids, but if I was in that situation I would do the same thing......some people on here (johnny) speak like they have never been to a third world country and know how shitty and short of a life most those people live......either that or he has no soul
------------------------- I troll 2L.com to be a better person in real life |
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06/20/2018 05:39 AM
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some people on here (johnny) speak like they have never been to a third world country and know how shitty and short of a life most those people live......either that or he has no soul We can't take in every person from every third world country or we would quickly become a third world country ourselves. It has nothing to do with having a 'soul'. It has to be managed and manageable. Right now immigration is poorly managed and that isn't on Trump, it has been poorly managed for a long long time. He is just making it worse currently. |
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06/20/2018 06:05 AM
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some people on here (johnny) speak like they have never been to a third world country and know how shitty and short of a life most those people live......either that or he has no soul We can't take in every person from every third world country or we would quickly become a third world country ourselves. It has nothing to do with having a 'soul'. It has to be managed and manageable. Right now immigration is poorly managed and that isn't on Trump, it has been poorly managed for a long long time. He is just making it worse currently. Dumb Straw man argument. "every person" you are smarter than that. ------------------------- "The truth is incontrovertible. malice may attack it, ignorance may deride it, but in the end, there it is." -Sir Winston Churchill |
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06/20/2018 06:51 AM
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Dumb Straw man argument. "every person" you are smarter than that. Here is my argument rather than what you focused on. The part you called dumb was simply stating fact (as well as the obvious): It has to be managed and manageable. Right now immigration is poorly managed and that isn't on Trump, it has been poorly managed for a long long time. He is just making it worse currently. Speaking of dumb. Try not acting that way yourself. |
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06/20/2018 06:40 AM
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Who said every? Some in the debates on this board have advocated for easy and reasonable immigration as long as the people aren't criminals. Maybe a situation like back in the late 19th and early 20th century. Some, like Johnny, want to be extremely restricitive with immigration policy being more in line with mid to late 20th century after we effectively closed the door on Europe and Asia. What is a reasonable level? ------------------------- ... |
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06/20/2018 07:05 AM
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Who said every? What is a reasonable level? Nobody. I was replying to the comment about third world countries. It was part statement of obvious and part lead into my comment that the situation be both manageable and better managed. I don't know Scombrid, why don't you tell me what a reasonable level is for 'you'. I have my own opinion. |
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06/20/2018 07:16 AM
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What is a reasonable level?
Nobody said it. But you still felt it necessary open your comment with that truism as if responding to people that want to take in everybody from every third world country. You think that method helps your argument? ------------------------- ... |
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06/20/2018 07:31 AM
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But you still felt it necessary open your comment with that truism as if responding to people that want to take in everybody from every third world country. You think that method helps your argument? Well thank you for telling me how you took it. Glad I could clear that misconception up for you. Nothing helps any argument here. Where have you been? So why would I care if something helps it or not? If you haven't noticed, people on these boards aren't going to change their mind on anything anytime soon. Hell, many prefer just to hear their own beliefs echoed back to them. |
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06/20/2018 08:59 AM
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refugee migration map is on bing homepage today
2000-2016 can't believe they posted this, it is hate speech 
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06/20/2018 06:14 AM
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well, is their country of origin taking care of the others that remain effectively?
sounds like no, otherwise you'd be fine with them going back and they wouldnt need to be refugees to begin with, they'd just be plain old economic migrants only wanting to help those that make their way through mexico's trafficking system is rewarding many evil behaviors |
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06/20/2018 06:21 AM
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The problem is that this problem is contrived. It was created in April via John Kelly & Stephen Miller. It was approved by Trump and adopted by Sessions on 4/6/18.
https://www.justice.gov/opa/press-release/file/1049751/download?utm_medium=email&utm_source=govdelivery The point is to cause these reactions and get people amped up in order to cause a political tipping point. Democrats are willing to wait it out until they get what they want in the way of DACA. Trump tried to get the GOP to come up with something of a plan and the Republicans split up into two groups and couldn't deliver. For what it's worth, Trump himself, hasn't been exactly crystal clear on this either, while he has maintained the build the wall since the beginning, his direction for what to do with undocumented people already here and DACA people and separation of US children from undocumented parents has varied widely from one side to the other. The real point in all of this is that previously, the folks would show up, get turned away or show up get caught and sent away with a bologna sandwich and a bottle of water. Today, we're in processing them, separating them and causing a big show. |
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06/20/2018 06:23 AM
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06/20/2018 06:28 AM
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I withdraw a memorandum to all federal prosecutors entitled "Renewed Commitment
to Criminal Immigration Enforcement," in which I directed the prioritization of the prosecution of certain criminal immigration offenses. I further directed each United States Attorney's Office along the Southwest Border to work with the Department of Homeland Security to develop guidelines for prosecuting offenses under 8 U.S.C. § 1325(a). There, I fixed it. Problem solved. ------------------------- I was right. |
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06/20/2018 06:33 AM
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ICE says that it has like a 99% show rate at immigration court hearings on catch-tag-track cased. Required check-ins via mobile phone and such to keep tabs until court. They claim that method and even electronic monitoring are cheaper than detention. Seems immediate detention and separation without any other consideration is completely on Trump. Issueing a misdemeanor citation with a court date is following the law as the law is written just as much as Trump's immediate detention policy. Immediate detention is purely discretionary policy. Sessions can claim otherwise but it just lieing when he does. ------------------------- ... |
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06/20/2018 06:47 AM
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ICE says that it has like a 99% show rate at immigration court hearings on catch-tag-track cased. Required check-ins via mobile phone and such to keep tabs until court. They claim that method and even electronic monitoring are cheaper than detention. Seems immediate detention and separation without any other consideration is completely on Trump. Issueing a misdemeanor citation with a court date is following the law as the law is written just as much as Trump's immediate detention policy. Immediate detention is purely discretionary policy. Sessions can claim otherwise but it just lieing when he does. ------------------------- ... |
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06/20/2018 07:19 AM
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They claim that method and even electronic monitoring are cheaper than detention.
Seems immediate detention and separation without any other consideration is completely on Trump.
Issueing a misdemeanor citation with a court date is following the law as the law is written just as much as Trump's immediate detention policy. Immediate detention is purely discretionary policy. Sessions can claim otherwise but it just lieing when he does.
So who is lying. I.C.E. or TrumpSessions? ------------------------- ... |
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06/20/2018 06:22 AM
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Yeah, right.
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