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former Dir of National Intelligence James Clapper says he's personally concluded Russians not only influenced but DECIDED outcome of 2016 election: "80 thousand votes in 3 states" @NewsHour tonight - Judy Woodruff (@JudyWoodruff) May 23, 2018

Edited: 05/24/2018 at 07:07 AM by 3rdworldlover

DOH!!

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Zzzzzzz.. Zzzzzzz.. Braaaaaapp!

Zzzzzzzzzzzzzz....

Let's see the evidence, that's a serious charge.

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“It is the heart of US policy to use fascism to preserve capitalism while claiming to be saving democracy from communism “ - Michael Parenti

Probably. The low IQ facebook crowd who make life decisions based on memes definitely f'ed our country.

Can't really do anything about that in hindsight though.

For the future, we could try to produce less stupid people like fish killer.

There is no evidence....just a COLESLAW claim!

Thats what ALL dipshit pathological lying commie traitor Democraps do!

FACT!

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The REAL truth is....both of the forum idiots are OWNED.
-BOTH of them have no clue who their owner is.
-They are both card carrying narcissists.
^These are PROVED facts.

Actually, it looks like Judy Woodruff is the one making the claim that Clapper made that statement. 

FYI - Cole hasn't even posted in this thread.  

Not your fault, low IQ voters often have comprehension problems.   

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If I should ever die, God forbid, let this be my epitaph: THE ONLY PROOF HE NEEDED FOR THE EXISTENCE OF GOD WAS MUSIC - KV

YO IDIOT....fake claims are CALLED Coleslaw Claims!

Coleslaw is a fucking pathological liar so simple LOGIC states that fake claims on this forum are COLESLAW CLAIMS!

FOOL!

Oh wait....logic and you dont get along!

GOT IT!




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The REAL truth is....both of the forum idiots are OWNED.
-BOTH of them have no clue who their owner is.
-They are both card carrying narcissists.
^These are PROVED facts.

80,000 is a drop in the bucket compared to the millions who voted illegally for Hillary.

^lol, finally, somebody is trying to get a laugh out of this crowd 

Woodruff's statement is way out of context with the Clapper interview I listened to.  

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add a signature since I'm here in profile anyway

It is funny, Hillary couldn’t win with millions of illegal votes and Trump won with only 80,000. What a loser she is!

How is Trump's voter investigation coming along?

If there are millions of illegal votes, some proof should be easy to find, right? They must have proof of at least a few hundred thousand by now. I can't wait to see the results!





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I was right.

That’s my point Cole, both statements are rediculous. Your mind seems to be moving a little slow this morning. Maybe you need a little shot of morning Joe and Mishka.

I'll put it to you where you can understand.

Trump built a special panel. They found nothing. The investigative board was disbanded. Why do you keeps saying there were millions of illegal votes for Clinton?

She won the popular vote by six million. Trump came in second.


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I was right.

Lol, Cole. Your reading comprehension skills are seriously lacking this morning. If you take off your progressive blinders for a minute and read what I said, you would see that I said both statements were ridiculous. Meaning the 80,000 votes for Trump and the millions of votes for Hillary. I really don’t know how to dumb it down further for you. I hope this helps.

This morning?

Are you serious?!?!

Coleslaw doesn't HAVE any reading comprehension skills!

None!

Nada!

Zilch!

FACT!

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The REAL truth is....both of the forum idiots are OWNED.
-BOTH of them have no clue who their owner is.
-They are both card carrying narcissists.
^These are PROVED facts.

I hate piling on someone because the crackpot liberals here do it all the time, but the truth is that I have said the same exact thing dozens of times.

If you listened to a legitimate news source you would know that the Clapper quote is incorrect. He said that Russian social intervention could have led to the 80,000 that gave Trump the Electoral College.

And this was your original statement.

"80,000 is a drop in the bucket compared to the millions who voted illegally for Hillary."

You changed tacks when you saw you had no way out.

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I was right.

Mike, if you had a good thing going, would you risk a felony by giving your single vote to a candidate?

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I was right.

If 11 million people are already willing to violate the laws of this country to be here illegally and well over a million that 'have a good thing going' are already committing multiple felonies by using stolen or false social security numbers ...then the answer to you question is beyond a shadow of a doubt yes.

You aren't seriously trying to imply that illegals don't vote are you?

This reads an awful lot like an affirmative claim that they do.

But you said you weren't going to make that claim because you had no proof.

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*sigh* can you just stop. Playing this childish game of quoting a single line out of larger post and out of context of the entire conversation before hand is really beneath you.

Well nothing is beneath you so...

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*Sigh* ok dude, whatever. Let me know when you want to stop playing stupid games and have a conversation.

You're to be taken out back and pummeled!



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Specializing in sarcasm and condescending rhetoric since 1971.

Yes, mistakes are not to be tolerated. No humans allowed.

Especially by flaming libs like him.

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Specializing in sarcasm and condescending rhetoric since 1971.

Guilty as charged

Are Puerto Ricans required to learn English?

Cubans pre wet foot dry foot?

Much ado about nothing.

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I was right.

Wow, Cole. No way out? That was a facetious comment I made.  I think Tom picked up on it. Maybe Nuke can translate my posts for you from now on. He seems to speak perfect libtard. The only word I know is “duh”.

Sure pal. lol

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I was right.

I know liberals like to overlook reality when it comes to illegal aliens and instead prefer to call people racists and xenophobes if they are against it, but we have quite a few of them in this country. Did they vote illegally? I am not going to claim that they did as I have no proof to that effect. Could some of them voted illegally in elections? Absolutely.

Here is what we do know however:

1. Estimates in 2015 put the number of unauthorized immigrants at 11 million, representing 3.4% of the total U.S. population.

2. Of that 11 million, according to a Treasury Department Inspector General audit, the labor market had 1.4 million employed illegal aliens in 2015 that used falsified or stolen Social Security numbers to get hired.

3. Given the issue with voter identification laws in this country and the back and forth on the subject, there absolutely is a possibility that illegal aliens can vote even without proving citizenship.


So yeah, the possibility is there but nobody really knows for sure as the data is currently impossible to obtain. Anyone claiming to know either way is basically full of shit. I will say this though.... there were 11 million illegals here around the time of the presidential election. The chance that 'some' number of them voted illegally is exponentially greater than 'none' of them doing so. Who they voted for or didn't vote for is also a question, but given Trump's stance on illegal immigration they would have been stupid to vote for him.

It all depends on why. You always ignore that distinction.

I wonder why?

But you do make that claim.

 

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I am not ignoring anything. I am 100% on board with streamlining the path to citizenship and making it easier to obtain. I have zero problem with people coming here legally. Despite that, I have personally been called a xenophobe and a racist dozens of times online simply because I believe our borders should be secure and that illegals committing crimes should be deported. I have seen numerous others be called the same repeatedly for similar stances.

Yeah not ignoring shit. Stop the lame implications.

Edit: before I softened by stance on illegals somewhat due to practicality and humanitarian reasons it was even worse despite my stance having nothing to do with race or fear of people from different cultures. One of my military buddies still holds the stance of deporting everyone who came here illegally... I only point him out because nothing is funnier than watching a bunch of liberal fruitcakes call him a racist for his view given that both his parents immigrated here from Mexico. His view is that if his parents can do the right thing, then there is no reason everyone else can't... and yeah he is way hard line on the topic. He even thinks everyone should learn English as a requirement for citizenship.



Except I don't. What I claim is that there is an extremely high probability that illegals have in fact voted. That isn't the same as having proof and you should be smart enough to make that distinction. Nice try, but you need to do better.



Edited: 05/24/2018 at 06:50 AM by miker

That doesn't tell me much about his level of racism. There's a very racist pecking order in some circles south of the border.

 

Has he or have you read the requirements for the Naturalization Test? Doesn't seem you have.

 

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Sure why not, the fact that he is Mexican and has White people telling him he is racist because he wants to secure the border with Mexico doesn't tell you much directly about whether or not he is racist towards other Mexicans. Of course you are ignoring everything else I posted ...as well as a good bit of common sense.




Consider this for a moment:

1. There are some people on the left that want to remove the language requirement for citizenship

2. My personal view point these days, as opposed to his, is that I don't care one way or another as this country is going to be mostly hispanic 50 years from now and we all might as well be bilingual.

Does that help you understand why I may have posted what I did?

I guess the answer to the question was NO.

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Purposefully being obtuse this morning or?

Damn near everybody thinks that illegals that are committing crimes should be deported.

You get called a racist/xenophobe because you over-emphasize the crime rate among the illegal immigrants as if the broad group poses some sort of mortal threat.

 

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No I don't. I use statistics from legitimate sources unlike some people here that like to use fake news and breitbart nonsense.

Maybe try rewording that.

In case you are too slow to get it from my previous post; English proficiency is on the Naturalization Test unless a waiver is granted.

Everyone I know that is a naturalized citizen learned English for the test; that list include Germans, Ukrainians, Russians, Polish, Mexican, and Columbian.

I've seen legal immigrants go both ways on the issue of illegals in general. I've seen some that say "I had to go through hell to become a citizen and so should everybody else". I've seen some say "The process is arbitrary and bordering on capricious and should be streamlined so that people that want the opportunity can go after it".

The "they never learn English" canard hints at racism. That argument has been thrown at every derided immigrant population that has ever flooded in. Back in the "Ellis Island" days legal immigration looked a lot like what has crossed our southern border in the last few decades. There were isolated insular communities where the old language remained. But even in the most conservative the kids and grandkids pretty much always assimiliated.

Hell, the conservaitve luminary Tomi Lahren rants about immigration, not just illegal but in favor of very limited merit based immigration. Her ancestors were German and Norwegian at a time when the immigrants from those countries weren't "vetted" for shit. Oh but she argues that they came here legally. They came when the border was wide open. The crop we got from Norway in particular were castaways, litterally the poor tired huddled masses.

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Comicviking is unencumbered by facts. Clapper's quote is reasonable in context.

http://www.miamiherald.com/new...article200660314.html

Russian syndicate duped Trump supporters into organizing Florida rallies, feds say

A sophisticated and clandestine Russian outfit that attempted to sow political discord through phony social media and grassroots campaigns has been indicted by a federal grand jury on charges related to a series of pro-Trump rallies held in South Florida and around the country during the summer before the 2016 presidential election.

Federal authorities say 13 executives of the Internet Research Agency used stolen identities and U.S.-based email addresses to organize and fund political events designed to promote Donald Trump and tear down Hillary Clinton. The indictment, signed by U.S. Special Counsel Robert Mueller, describes the efforts of a well-organized, St. Petersburg, Russia, syndicate.

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“It is the heart of US policy to use fascism to preserve capitalism while claiming to be saving democracy from communism “ - Michael Parenti

Rusty, you are unencumbered by reality. 

I've altered my original post, since Clapper didn't exactly say that votes were altered, and I also misinterpreted Woodruff's comment.

Here's the transcript:
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/sh...r-believes#transcript

Judy Woodruff:
One of the things you write very - or have spoken about, I should say, in addition to writing about it very candidly is how you have concluded after what happened in 2016 that the Russians not only affected - tried to affect the election, but you said they actually did affect the outcome.

James Clapper:
Yes.

Judy Woodruff:
What did you mean?

James Clapper:

Well, first, I need to make clear that, when we did our formal intelligence community assessment in January of 2017, we didn't make any call at all about whether the Russians affected the outcome of the election. We didn't have the authority, charter or capability to do that.

Since I left the government, though, as a private citizen, it's what I would call my informed opinion that, given the massive effort the Russians made, and the number of citizens that they touched, and the variety and the multidimensional aspects of what they did to influence opinion and affect the election, and given the fact that it turned on less than 80,000 votes in three states, to me, it just exceeds logic and credulity that they didn't affect the election, and it's my belief they actually turned it.

If only the truth were as important to the occupier of the WH.



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“It is the heart of US policy to use fascism to preserve capitalism while claiming to be saving democracy from communism “ - Michael Parenti

Interesting, I've just begun the process for Italian citizenship and I don't speak it beyond a very limited vocabulary and crappy grammer. They no longer require an Italian language test.


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“It is the heart of US policy to use fascism to preserve capitalism while claiming to be saving democracy from communism “ - Michael Parenti

My mother has dual citizenship Irish/American. Gaelic is once again being taught as a required subject in Irish schools.

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Specializing in sarcasm and condescending rhetoric since 1971.

surprised you are choosing italy

they are quite right wing (for europe at least), have a history of facism, anti-immigrant, racism is fairly common

Rusty is a big fan of the tactics employed by Mussolini's Black Shirts to silence the opposition. Maybe he's going over there to do research on how to execute his Blue is the new Black initiative back here in the States?

Interesting. Why you doing this?