I'm still pretty sure that things are warming up a bit, but this article does make a few very good points about what the media talks about and/or does not talk about, , ,

Don't Tell Anyone, But We Just Had Two Years Of Record-Breaking Global Cooling

5/16/2018

Inconvenient Science: NASA data show that global temperatures dropped sharply over the past two years. Not that you'd know it, since that wasn't deemed news. Does that make NASA a global warming denier?

Writing in Real Clear Markets, Aaron Brown looked at the official NASA global temperature data and noticed something surprising. From February 2016 to February 2018, "global average temperatures dropped by 0.56 degrees Celsius." That, he notes, is the biggest two-year drop in the past century.

"The 2016-2018 Big Chill," he writes, "was composed of two Little Chills, the biggest five month drop ever (February to June 2016) and the fourth biggest (February to June 2017). A similar event from February to June 2018 would bring global average temperatures below the 1980s average."

Isn't this just the sort of man-bites-dog story that the mainstream media always says is newsworthy?

In this case, it didn't warrant any news coverage.

In fact, in the three weeks since Real Clear Markets ran Brown's story, no other news outlet picked up on it. They did, however, find time to report on such things as tourism's impact on climate change, how global warming will generate more hurricanes this year, and threaten fish habitats, and make islands uninhabitable. They wrote about a UN official saying that "our window of time for addressing climate change is closing very quickly."

Reporters even found time to cover a group that says they want to carve President Trump's face into a glacier to prove climate change "is happening."

In other words, the mainstream news covered stories that repeated what climate change advocates have been saying ad nauseam for decades.

That's not to say that a two-year stretch of cooling means that global warming is a hoax. Two years out of hundreds or thousands doesn't necessarily mean anything. And there could be a reasonable explanation. But the drop in temperatures at least merits a "Hey, what's going on here?" story.

What's more, journalists are perfectly willing to jump on any individual weather anomaly - or even a picture of a starving polar bear - as proof of global warming. (We haven't seen any stories pinning Hawaii's recent volcanic activity on global warming yet, but won't be surprised if someone tries to make the connection.)

We've noted this refusal to cover inconvenient scientific findings many times in this space over the years.

Hiding The Evidence
There was the study published in the American Meteorological Society's Journal of Climate showing that climate models exaggerate global warming from CO2 emissions by as much as 45%. It was ignored.

Then there was the study in the journal Nature Geoscience that found that climate models were faulty, and that, as one of the authors put it, "We haven't seen that rapid acceleration in warming after 2000 that we see in the models."

Nor did the press see fit to report on findings from the University of Alabama-Huntsville showing that the Earth's atmosphere appears to be less sensitive to changing CO2 levels than previously assumed.

How about the fact that the U.S. has cut CO2 emissions over the past 13 years faster than any other industrialized nation? Or that polar bear populations are increasing? Or that we haven't seen any increase in violent weather in decades?

Crickets.

Reporters no doubt worry that covering such findings will only embolden "deniers" and undermine support for immediate, drastic action.

But if fears of catastrophic climate change are warranted - which we seriously doubt - ignoring things like the rapid cooling in the past two years carries an even bigger risk.

Suppose, Brown writes, the two-year cooling trend continues. "At some point the news will leak out that all global warming since 1980 has been wiped out in two and a half years, and that record-setting events went unreported."

He goes on: "Some people could go from uncritical acceptance of steadily rising temperatures to uncritical refusal to accept any warming at all."

Brown is right. News outlets should decide what gets covered based on its news value, not on whether it pushes an agenda. Otherwise, they're doing the public a disservice and putting their own already shaky credibility at greater risk.

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Don't tell anyone, but sea surface temperatures are rising...

https://www.epa.gov/climate-in...ea-surface-temperature

Don't tell anyone, but carbon dioxide in oceans is on the rise and the pH is dropping...

https://www.epa.gov/climate-in...dicators-ocean-acidity

Don't tell anyone, but CO2 is off the charts...

https://www.co2.earth

um,

link to the real clear markets article https://www.realclearmarkets.com/articles/2018/04/24/did_you_know_the_greatest_two-year_global_cooling_event_just_took_place_103243.html

within the article is a link to the NASA Goddard pages where the data reside

https://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/

And from those pages (and data), here's the NASA/NOAA interpretation:

"Earth's global surface temperatures in 2017 ranked as the second warmest since 1880, according to an analysis by NASA.

Continuing the planet's long-term warming trend, globally averaged temperatures in 2017 were 1.62 degrees Fahrenheit (0.90 degrees Celsius) warmer than the 1951 to 1980 mean, according to scientists at NASA's Goddard Institute for Space Studies (GISS) in New York. That is second only to global temperatures in 2016."

https://www.giss.nasa.gov/research/news/20180118/

I guess you can chose who to believe...

The problem with science is that

it doesn't care if you believe in it or not.  

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I'm not sure what Real Clear Markets is or if Aaron Brown is qualified to read climate data, but his report is at odds with NOAA's conclusions.

The 2017 average global temperature across land and ocean surface areas was 0.84°C (1.51°F) above the 20th century average of 13.9°C (57.0°F), behind the record year 2016 (+0.94°C / +1.69°F) and 2015 (+0.90°C / +1.62°F; second warmest year on record) both influenced by a strong El Niño episode. The year 2017 is also the warmest year without an El Niño present in the tropical Pacific Ocean.

http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/sotc/global/201713

Perhaps this didn't make the news, because it isn't news worthy.

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I was right.

You're a fucking moron.

http://realclimatescience.com/...ory-change-the-data-2/

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The REAL truth is....both of the forum idiots are OWNED.
-BOTH of them have no clue who their owner is.
-They are both card carrying narcissists.
^These are PROVED facts.

They predicted weather would get more intense. It is happening.

They said anomalies related to the weather would occur. It is happening.

They said that global currents would begin to alter. It is happening.

They said tropical diseases will begin to move north. It is happening.

They said crops will have to be planted farther north. It is happening.


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I was right.

What's curious to me is that we're collectively here on this esteemed forum gathered as watermen of some form of passion.

All of the indicators pointed in my post above represent a threat to the health and well-being of the seas and its inhabitants.

For me, I surf, I fish and I dive and snorkel.

Cheering the destruction of this vast resource is negligence.

Problem is that with NOAA and NASA...altered temperature data is a way of life.

Your 'science' isn't actual science....

It's grade A bullshit!

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The REAL truth is....both of the forum idiots are OWNED.
-BOTH of them have no clue who their owner is.
-They are both card carrying narcissists.
^These are PROVED facts.

You will believe what Real Clear Markets and Aaron Brown - who and whatever they are - have to say, by doubt what some of the World's most intelligent and devoted people have confirmed through the scientific method. Moron.

They predicted weather would get more intense. It is happening.

They said anomalies related to the weather would occur. It is happening.

They said that global currents would being to alter. It is happening.

They said tropical diseases will begin to move north. It is happening.

They said crops will have to be planted farther north. It is happening.




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I was right.

Yeah, I'm gonna go ahead and assume NOAA/NOAA knows WTF they're doing.

Yeah...and you have no choice to believe that they falsified the data!

It's a fact!

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The REAL truth is....both of the forum idiots are OWNED.
-BOTH of them have no clue who their owner is.
-They are both card carrying narcissists.
^These are PROVED facts.

Tell everyone we are polluting our atmosphere and the consequence is that the median earth temperature is rising. Short sighted fossil fuel purveyors have seen this as s threat to theirs businesses so they have created a false narrative and an army of lobbyists who finance politicians getting into elected positions who will then owe them for the favor. This is very effective as long as the science behind the lies is treated as competing facts instead of lies.

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"One of the reasons why propaganda tries to get you to hate government is because it's the one existing institution in which people can participate to some extent and constrain tyrannical unaccountable power." Noam Chomsky.

hmmmmm who to believe tom or effkay.......unless we are talking GPS coordinates to the nearest whopper meal, I pick tom every time.

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The same blueprint used by big tobacco.

Great. So the falsified data that "carbon" companies use are facts. And you have no choice but to believe that shit.

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"One of the reasons why propaganda tries to get you to hate government is because it's the one existing institution in which people can participate to some extent and constrain tyrannical unaccountable power." Noam Chomsky.

Great, so get the third world countries to stop polluting

Raising our own first world standards is a drop in the bucket

Hey Johnny, ever heard of the Paris Agreement?



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“It is the heart of US policy to use fascism to preserve capitalism while claiming to be saving democracy from communism “ - Michael Parenti

Yea it had vastly lower standards for China, India and other places that matter most

Let's ruin our ability to compete in a global market while helping the environment marginally

And of course we'll foot the bill

Weather pattern that we had in January 2018 was almost identical to December 1989 right down to that low pressure system that produced snow in north Florida on up through Savannah and low country SC out to Hatteras.

But in 2018 my zone 10 plants weren't damaged and my zone 11 plants were damaged but not killed. Anybody remember what happened here in 1989?

Old USDA maps say our property is in zone 9B. Juanaloa and Papaya don't survive through average winters in 9B much less a weather pattern like we had in January. I don't think our fishtail, metalica, and ernest augusti palms are too keen on 9B weather either and they are thriving.

Either I have unusually cold tolerant cultivars or something is different in 2018 compared to 1989.

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China Poised for Leadership on Climate Change After U.S. Reversal
President Trump's executive order to dismantle Obama-era climate policy is unlikely to stall global momentum on the issue, as China's growing role comes into focus.

http://news.nationalgeographic...plan-paris-agreement/

SAD

Good they should it's moslty their fault, where is India?

Why do we always have to babysit?

What's their fault?

Its all a hoax right.

Oh, can you put up a graph with the annual emmission loads (pounds carbon, pounds sulfur, pound mercury, etc...) discharged per country?

How about a cumulative load for the 19th and 20th century?

All their fault. I bet you don't know what the total and per capita loadings are by country.

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Dinbat posts a non-attributed story with no link... 

Seriously?

 

Climate change is real. Get over it already deniers...the fauna doesn't lie, it goes where the food is. And this is largely dictated by temperature, esp. when it comes to fish. Which also implies that FK is a fake fisherman too with fake fish photos - what a clown.

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I heard today that the cold water crab population has moved as much as 900 miles farther north.

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I was right.

Yeah I'm still killing mahi and wahoo out front. the bottom is still on fire.

Bahamas are infected with fish.

Keys are the same....and on fire right now.

Idiot!

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-BOTH of them have no clue who their owner is.
-They are both card carrying narcissists.
^These are PROVED facts.

Sez the Electricreel Killer.
The corals are getting drilled.
You just rape pillage plunder my ocean, bot boy. Taking too many undersized fish using techniques and equipment. That only a girly man weakling like you and your "elk" would use, and then call it "sport", you stinking anti american resources traitor
As if you actually get out on our waters anyway tho, Guppy Slayer.......


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It's a democratic hoax

we are supposed to be in one of the most major Maunder minimums predicted for over 200 years, and the average temps are either increasing or holding, and the ocean temp averages have not been going down.  The capacity of the oceans to hold thermal energy and CO2 are more than the air's capacity.  It still doesn't look well for us being cold.  I've been going back and forth with a buddy of mine, phD, MD for a while on the extent of the maunder.

Per the Maunder, we should continue to see more volcanic activity and I sure as hell hope we see some cooler temps, but I've not been impressed.  

Seriously, it does amaze me that with the overwhelming preponderance of scientific data and research, and time based historical observations to support them.
That people who otherwise seem logical and rational would actually make a post like this one...
duhhh.
Great responses from fact based thinkers on here though, please keep up the good work guys

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I find it odd that the buzz word that is emphasized now is “climate change”. It is really not global warming any longer. Climate changes? Wow what a surprise! How many ice ages have there been? 5 or more? So obviously climate has and does change with or with out mankind’s influence! Who are the real dumb fucks. Many who are pushing this impending climate catastrophe are profiting hugely on it. Pull your heads out of your asses and try and think for yourselfs. I know it’s asking a lot , but please try. If you really think man can control nature you all are dumber than I even thought. Let’s talk about pollution which is a real and preventable  problem!

Which one of you morons is going to be the 1st one to blame mankind for the recent volcanic activity? Come on, don’t be shy! Please show us who has their head the farthest up their ass!

GOP lawmaker on the House Science, Space and Technology Committe says rocks falling into the ocean are partly to blame for higher sea levels

http://thehill.com/policy/ener...itter_impression=true

Explains how Nunes got on the Intelligence Committee!

It is climate change, warmer in some places and colder in others.

The NW passage is still open, CO2 in the atmosphere is higher than ever and many parts of the world are losing the battle with sea and ocean level rise. The huge spike happened after the Industrial Revolution... how obvious does something need to be before you believe it?

Carbon emissions are pollution, that's the point. Do you doubt that CFC's damaged the ozone layer too? Should we start using them as propellants again?



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Genius Cole, or any other Einstein out there. Please explain the climate changes that the earth has gone through before the industrial revolution. I don’t dispute that the earths climate changes, I just don’t think we have control over it. I do believe we have 100% control over the pollution we and we alone create. Again someone explain how the earth has had multiple ice ages through out time and then had obvious warming  trends. Your beloved SCIENCE has shown this to be true. I’ll be waiting for your scientific response.

They take ice core sample going back tens of thousands of years. There are air bubbles trapped in the ice....

Wait, never mind, you are an anti science Fox bot, so why should I even bother...

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I was right.

Lol, nice try. So now who is the science denier? It never ceases to amaze me how you “progressives” pick and choose what facts of science or any facts for that matter that you embrace. You ass clownes are true hypocrites in every facet of your miserable lives.

I could explain it to you in detail and it wouldn't matter.

Just like you will never disparage Trump no matter what happens.

I'm done wasting my time with you tone deaf clowns.



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I was right.

Lol you were just complaining about it being too quiet around here

The arrogant ass that thinks that Al Gore invented Global Warming in complete ignorance of everything that science has revealed on the history of Earth's climate. 

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Maybe you can educate us on what caused previous major climate fluctuations and on what timescales those occurred.

Then you can point to what natural process is causing the trends that we have seen in the last 150 years.

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FAKE BULLSHIT SCIENCE IS JUST WHAT IT IS !

FAKE!

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The REAL truth is....both of the forum idiots are OWNED.
-BOTH of them have no clue who their owner is.
-They are both card carrying narcissists.
^These are PROVED facts.

You make a stupid a comment and hope someone adopts so you can attack it? Does that work for you?

Hey fish story. how come your picture of your "kills" isn't wahoo or dolphin, you know, the ones you catch right out back and in the keys? Is it because your fish tales are fish tales? or it because its just FAKE BULLSHIT is what it is?

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"One of the reasons why propaganda tries to get you to hate government is because it's the one existing institution in which people can participate to some extent and constrain tyrannical unaccountable power." Noam Chomsky.

This winter, at least in some parts of the northern hemisphere, was spectacularly nasty.  I had the pleasure of catching a severe runny nose in Washington's 9º January weather, then experienced a "record" snowstorm in early February.  

The extremely cold air of January went offshore to the north of Florida.  With a more southerly trajectory, it would have been December 1989 all over again for us.  

There's reason to believe that the Texas deluge from hurricane Harvey was due to extraordinarily high heat energy of the Gulf of Mexico.  Ars Technica has a free story.  Washington Post, which has an excellent Weather Gang, has more.

Figures that Comicvajayjay is a climate denier.. he's a self parody

I love watching all these dipshits wriggle out of the ooze and stand on a stage to declare what sassy dunces they are.

Now dumbo will have some lame comment about my sig as a halfassed comeback.

Better you stick to pretending reality isnt there LOL





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Zzzzzzz.. Zzzzzzz.. Braaaaaapp!

Zzzzzzzzzzzzzz....

You moron, I’m not a climate change denier, I just don’t think man has much to do with it. It has happened before with out man kinds involvement you stupid fuck! I wish more effort would be put into fighting pollution which we cause 100% of. Mans downfall will be greed and gluttony, not the climate. But hey you “progressives” just keep attacking your windmills (Dem Quixote). 

Almost all of the people who study this say you are wrong, that human emissions of green house gases ere responsible for much of the changes an if unchecked they will drive a lot more. It's physics. The math doesn't lie.

Why do you think you know more about than them?








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"The truth is incontrovertible.
malice may attack it,
ignorance may deride it,
but in the end,
there it is." -Sir Winston Churchill

Like I said- you're a denier. Don't deny it.



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Zzzzzzz.. Zzzzzzz.. Braaaaaapp!

Zzzzzzzzzzzzzz....

If it's not people, why is it warming?

..50 years of solar flares?

...the Earth getting closer to the sun?

...moon beams?

...aliens?

...magic?

Where does the exhaust go?

There are 1.2 billion automobiles on Earth, do their emissions just vanish?



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Ok , like I said before. If man is the only reason the climate changes , then what caused the climate changes before man created all of the carbon emissions? It’s a simple question, but seems to continually being ignored. Try not to be confused between climate change and pollution. I’m still waiting for one of you idiots to blame man kind for the recent volcanic activity. Come I know you can do it! I know it is well above your pay grade, but try and think for yourself. So many of you are sheople or lemmings. It’s not to late to escape from the Borg Collective! No wonder you progressives are pushing for A.I.  Then you won’t have to think at all. WG, I’m not saying I know more than your beloved scientists. I’m just asking the questions that no body seems to want to answer.

Plenty of journal articles and textbooks on that if you care to read.

Yet the scientific literature is loaded with information on paleoclimate.

So much for being ignored.

 

 

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There is natural variability to the climate.

What is happening now cannot be explained soley by natural variability. It's not that complicated...

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There are plenty of "simple" answers (?)

Last time there were big climatic changes

people were knocking rocks together to make sharp stuff

and nobody though to collect enough data to run the models. 

There are lots of reasonable theories on what causes climate change. 

Changes in insolation, changes in atmospheric gas, changes in atmospheric particulate, feedback both positive and negative.  

But when you look at all those things, (check the literature, they've been exhaustively reviewed,)

and say, "Um, well, the only one that seems to be happening now is changes in atmospheric gas"; and,

"Gosh, I wonder where all this extra carbon dioxide is coming from (?)",

it get pretty obvious.

The kid with the chocolate on his nose is probably the one who got into the cake...

Simple?  

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There is no doubt man's impact is causing warming at an accelerated rate that is not explained by natural variability. It is the rate of change which is accelerating. I know higher level math is not many trump clowns strong suit, so I wouldn't expect you to understand such things.

Yes, I am a scientist, so fuck off...

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Two planet killers: the industrial revolution & plastic.

Later.

continues...
pop mech

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Oh yeah, forgot to link to this - http://www.noaa.gov/news/april...t-on-record-for-globe

That makes 400 straight months that have come in warmer than the 20th centruy average.

The argument is not whether or not the globe is warming, the argument is the amount of impact man has contributed to the warning.

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comicviking, "convince me!"  

Normal human, "well here's data: https://climate.nasa.gov/evidence/"

comicviking, "That looks really hard to understand and stuff and besides I'm old and really not that smart"

Normal human, "Maybe you should sit down and take a sip of water"

 

 

At least we know that the Sea level rise is caused by rocks falling into the ocean.

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Thank you Scom for your astute observations. I don’t know what caused the climate changes in the past. But I do know it wasn’t man kind, or at least the causes many of you now say man is causing. So assuming we can agree that there have been multiple periods of global heating and cooling then man cannot be the sole contributor to this phenomenon. Science first creates a hypothesis then goes about attempting to prove or disprove the hypothesis. The founding father of your global warming theory Al gore has had so many of his first hypothesis and predictons proven wrong that he has had to change the theory from “global warming” to “climate change”. If Big Al was right in his first hypothesis Miami and much of Florida would be under water already. But hey when it doesn’t work out just change your hypothesis: keep moving the yard stick. It’s the progressives way. Kind of like the Russia Trump collusion theory. Maybe one of these times you guys will be right about something. Even a blind squirrel finds a nut once in a while! 

Man has been altering the climate for many thousands of years. This started with the advent of agriculture and alteration of the land.

Al Gore is NOT the founding father of global warming, he is simply the one who brought visibility to it.

Global Climate Change nee Warming has been an issue in the science since at least the early to mid 80's.


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Not sure why you would ever think that is a contensious point.

 

Oh, because you are completely clueless about the study of the climate.

You laying "global warming" theory entirely at the feet of Al Gore puts you squarely in denier land as it makes it look like you have study absolutely none of the available science.

Can you point to the literature that predicted that much of Florida would be under water by 2018?

I would prefer scientific literature but writings by Gore will be fine for that one because I don't think even he went that far.

 

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"So assuming we can agree that there have been multiple periods of global heating and cooling then man cannot be the sole contributor to this phenomenon"

Huh?  Does he mean the current "phenomenon"?  Because linking the past to the current he's kind of forgetting that something is different.  Like the industrial revolution and the needs of the billions of people living since then with thier requisite pollution and such.

Since comicviking is a bit obtuse on this point does this call into question his reasoning on his other positions?  But he might not be around long, he's so good at science I heard he might be nominated head of the FDA!

You are truly a moron greensleeves! My argument , if that’s what you want to call it makes perfect sense. If climate has changed in the past without man made green house gases, then why is it so hard to believe that they are not the root cause of the supposed climate change now. It’s not rocket science, it’s elementary logical reasoning. Which is obviously well beyond some of your ability’s. Better head back to your circle jerk safe spaces. 

What you seem to be missing, intentionally or not, is the time frame in which the warming is occurring.

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You going to show us what ongoing natural process best explains the last 100 years of climate data?

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I asked earlier in the thread for a description of the time scales on which previous fluctuations operated. There was no response.

 

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Who cares what the time frame is. The time frame is irrelevant when discussing climate change unless you are saying different events caused the changes to occur. Which is exactly my point. We truly do not know the actual causes of climate change. Just keep believing what you want. There is really no winning any of these opposing view points. I don’t claim to know the answers to the reasons for climate change. I am simply stating the facts that it has occurred before with out mans influence. Again logical thinking but to each his own. I will continue to focus more on the pollution issues than that of climate change. 

Scom, why don’t you explain to me what the cause was thousands of years ago , since you are obviously an expert on this subject as well as many others. I look forward to reading your doctoral on the subject!

The Flud?

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^NOAA nailed that one and now,

nobody believes 'em?

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Time is very important regarding rates and scales.

 

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Really? Or are you going to go hop in your FloGrown Douche Truck and "roll coal" on a Prius?

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You don't claim to know the reasons for climate change, but you know that global warming is a hoax by Al Gore.

 

You don't seem to care much what caused previous climate change either since you give every impression that you've never bothered to read up on the topic.

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Climate changed in the past therefore man cannot influence climate.

That is sound logic for sure.

 

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At last!

A video of the man made climate change thingy,

presented by an engineer (he'd have white coat if he were a scientist)

in laymans terms so

even the most laymanie among us

can understand it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RXJKdh1KZ0w

 

 

Edit:  and in the FWIW category,

Svante Arrhenius is generally credited as the first to think about global warming and carbon dioxide. 

You might remember him from intro chemistry and the idea of an Arrhenius acid,

the disassociation of water into a hydrogen proton and hydroxide.     

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There are many causes. But the RATE OF CHANGE we are seeing now over the last 100 years compared to other climate cycles is UNPRECEDENTED. This is an inarguable scientific fact!

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Wow, why the vitriol Scom? First off don’t try and pretend to know what I drive. Second I never said global warming or climate change is a hoax, I’m just not sure we are completely to blame for it. Thirdly I never said than man kind can not have an effect on climate. I don’t know. Unlike you professor Scom I don’t claim to be an expert. But then again you represent yourself as an expert on virtually all topics. Since you bring up the Prius, how many of you have researched if the batteries found in the hybrids as well as the electric vehicles are recyclable when they are replaced? Well they are not. So you big green energy people are still using fossil fuel to charge your cars , then adding to the pollution problem when you dispose of your old batteries. I guess you are at least getting better mpg. So go fuck yourself Scom on the car comment! And WTF, climate change and everything associated with it certainly is arguable! Like I said before keep trying Progressives, one day you might be right on something.

CO2 is the highest it's been in thousands of years and the increase happened in a very short time.

Previous periods of warming and cooling had reasons for their occurrence. Increased solar activity for the warm and increased volcanic activity for the cool, among other things. All of this stuff is documented with the science behind it.

But comic, that's your problem, you don't care to look. You would rather rant and rave over things you know nothing about, then blame Liberals for being the problem.

Like I asked you before: There are more than 1 billion cars on earth - not to mention industry, do you believe that they have no effect on the planet?

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I was right.

You ever read what you post? 

But you know that nobody but you ever considered that climate changed in the past before man existed and before the industrial revolution. 

You came into this thread proclaiming that the vast majority of scientists ignore paleo climate. You can't back out of that.

 

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Again Scom I am not disputing that climate has and does change. I’m just not of the opinion that it is predominately due to man. So many act as though the debate is over. In my opinion it is not. I am all for limiting our pollution. There are plenty of scientists who have different research showing different points of view and theories on climate change. To not stay open to other theories is ignorant in my opinion. I am not a scientist nor do I claim to have all the answers. To call me ignorant because I do not subscribe to some else’s opinion is wrong. 

If it's not man, what is it?

It has to be something.

You do understand that, don't you?

Keeping an open mind is one thing, ignoring the information and going with what you are told from your news sources is another. I came to the conclusion that we influence the climate by looking at all the information available to me.

Science isn't some big mystery and it's not the boogeyman. Stop being so afraid of it.

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I was right.

Skepticism has to go beyond a simple "I don't believe" or it is just another opinion.

Alternative hypotheses?

Disprove current best hypotheses?

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Certain parts are arguable Cosmic. Like how much has man contributed to this warming cycle - it's still not entirely quantifiable.

But what I typed above IS inarguable. The rate of change of warming occurring right now is unprecedented in the history of this planet - that fact is inarguable.

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wouldn't that be assuming the quality of data from thousands of years ago or more is equivalent to that of recent day?

Johnny, quite making sense. WTF said it is unarguable. Don’t you know the progressives are always right? Sheesh, come on man!

Do you know the methods by which paleoclimate is reconstructed?

Do you understand them?

If not, is your opinion at all valid?

Precision does go down the further back you go. Butt...precision is about good enough to know that usually changes as rapid as the last century concide with really big obvious natural cateclysms. 

The big trips into and out of ice ages is on the scale of contental drift and drifting orbital mechanics. That kind of data doesn't fit the current trend.

 

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I read your link Cole and it reads much like this forum. Scom, I don’t think Big Al created global warming, I think he made money from it. I have a healthy skepticism of science. Science is constantly changing as new evidence is brought forward. To say that science creates absolutes is absurd. There are very few absolutes in life. Only time will tell who is right and who is wrong, but to not question science and it’s findings given how many times science has been wrong is just plain wrong. That is the whole nature of science, to keep searching for answers. You can call me a denier, but I am in reality more of a skeptic. To each his own.

Not sure of the hows-and-whys of what caused it, , , but Ice Cores have shown that there have been very drastic temperature/weather changes in as little as 75 years.

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You didn't look at the debunk PDF or you would have a different opinion. They show the results and the methods that got them there.

Just because you don't like what is says, doesn't mean it's wrong.

You are willingly uninformed. I find that disgusting. But then again, you are hardly alone, a good section of this country wanders in the weeds just like you do. The information is there, you just don't bother to look.

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You know what I find disgusting Cole, people who follow blindly and don’t think for themselves. I accept differing views on things and I keep an open mind. Like I said before there are very few absolutes in life. The debate of climate change and its causes are far from being settled let alone absolute. I have no problem with you being solid in your conviction of your climate change views. To each his own. Like I said before I have a healthy skepticism of things. Science is not an absolute and has been proven over and over again to be wrong as new evidence presents itself. Good on ya for being so rock solid in your beliefs.

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NEWS IN BRIEF
Report: Ocean Levels Could Rise Foot Or More If Lots Of People Go Swimming

SILVER SPRING, MD - Scientists at the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration sounded a strong warning about rising seas Monday, saying that ocean levels around the world are projected to increase by 12 inches or more should a bunch of people go swimming at the same time. "According to our latest analysis, an increase in global mean sea level of several inches is inevitable at this point given the approach of summer beach season, when millions of people will simultaneously go for a swim," said oceanographer Paul Acosta at a press conference, adding that the increase could be "significantly higher" than currently predicted if lots of beachgoers choose to hold their breath and go under all the way. "Coastal cities and low-lying islands are the most vulnerable to rising sea levels, particularly if it's not just kids who go for a dip, but full-grown adults as well. Our best hope now is moderating the rise as much as we can by convincing people to only wade in up to their waists." Acosta also warned about the devastating possibilities of catastrophic tsunamis should everyone jump into the ocean together from a dock or off the side of a boat."


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malice may attack it,
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Truism.

I don't see you discussing any science in this thread; just repeating talking points.

 

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Why are you wondering about ancient data when the scientific record for the last hundred years, including the most important year, this one, is the relevant topic. The data and timeframe of the most recent global warming has never happened so quickly before and it has never been caused by human actions.

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"One of the reasons why propaganda tries to get you to hate government is because it's the one existing institution in which people can participate to some extent and constrain tyrannical unaccountable power." Noam Chomsky.

in order to understand the present you must understand the past

i think it is ridiculous to think you have it all figured out unequivocally

funny to hear the coming from a self proclaimed racist....



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Air bubbles are trapped in the ice cores. The air in the bubbles is tested for CO2 content. It is a basic test.

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oh yeah, where do you think racism comes from?

We can look at earth cores both from rocks and ice to tell us what the climate was like. There is a robust data record.

Now you are just being an asshole Cosmic. I tried to have a reasonable discussion but you are a fucking retard. Gfy asshole.



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Sorry WTF, didn’t mean to offend you. Johnny’s comment is spot on . It is arguable. Thank you for your suggestion on what I should do to myself.

With all due respect WTF, you can not glean the same statistical data from core samples relating to temperatures that you can from the record keeping of such statistics in the last 100 years:

The past? Its well understood by people who do not attack science. The past 100 years? Its also well understood by people who do not attack science. Comicchoking and Johneedscience and chopolot are still attacking the science, attacking the scientists and feigning ignorance when their actual ignorance would suffice.

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"One of the reasons why propaganda tries to get you to hate government is because it's the one existing institution in which people can participate to some extent and constrain tyrannical unaccountable power." Noam Chomsky.

The past? Its well understood by people who do not attack science. The past 100 years? Its also well understood by people who do not attack science. Comicchoking and Johneedscience and chopolot are still attacking the science, attacking the scientists and feigning ignorance when their actual ignorance would suffice.

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"One of the reasons why propaganda tries to get you to hate government is because it's the one existing institution in which people can participate to some extent and constrain tyrannical unaccountable power." Noam Chomsky.

Well Cole, maybe we are now experiencing the beginning phase of more volcanic activity, and according to your findings on our way to a cool down. The funny thing about statistics is they can be manipulated. I think it was some time in the Late 70’s or 80’s that time magazine had on it’s cover the question “ are we on the verge of the next ice age”. Maybe one of you can pull that image up. How could the statistics of that time frame be wrong? Hmmm...

The bastion of science Time magazine... 

Comicviking says "I'm just saying it happened in the past, you know ice ages and volcanoes and stuff" 

Scientist says "Yeah past climate shifts were largely due to shifts in orbit, man is pumping CO2 and other pollutants into the atmosphere at an alarming rate and that didn't happen in the past"  

Comicviking "we will be OK"

I’m not saying we will be alright. If we keep polluting the earth there will be a price I’m sure we will pay. I lean towards the Native American view of the living breathing Mother Earth. But how can orbit effect climate? The earth is flat.

don't really get all the bitching, go inform yourself, then make your opinion based on research.  one pointer;  The references at the back of these papers have links to other authors and papers.  You can actually reference who the people are that do the research and get peer reviewed and continue to publish.  If you have no faith in that system, I suppose ignorance is your best policy. It doesn't lead to very healthy debate though. 

Maunder and volcanic activity?

[edit] oh, and for prior cooling periods, look to volcanos.  Turns out some major cooling events in Earth's history are traced to major eruptions.  Science has documented that also.  I suppose you can deny that, but again, you would pretty much be in the minority for that.  Or maybe you're just from Alabama. 

For fuck sake, look into this crap before you repeat it all over everywhere. You have no clue what you are talking about yet you repeat it over and over and over as it was the direct word of God.

Here is where it is debunked. Open the PDF and read what the man has to say. Enough already.

http://www.skepticalscience.co...t-global-cooling.html





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