Regardless which way you lean, red or blue, I would think this would concern any coastal Florida resident.

http://www.cnn.com/2018/01/04/politics/offshore-drilling-plan/index.html

Thoughts?

 

 

It's hard to believe but there are surfers and fishermen on this board who are all for it!

Fantastic.

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If I should ever die, God forbid, let this be my epitaph: THE ONLY PROOF HE NEEDED FOR THE EXISTENCE OF GOD WAS MUSIC - KV

Those are the same morons who think rick scott and this sik legislature "are doing a fine job"
By allowing the pig sugar companies (whom we subsidize with our federal tax dollars) to dump vast amounts of agricultural and industrial wastes into lake O.
Creating toxic algae blooms that wipe out recreational and commercial water businesses, on both coasts.
Or think fracking with toxic chemicals is a real good idea for our fragile fresh water supplies.

ENOUGH already, my fellow water lovers. Absolutely no fuckin way is oil being drilled off my reefs and beaches!
I lived, surfed and dove in the waters of santa barbara for many years, and return every year. The thought of tar and oil smothering our priceless coral reefs and beaches. Fouling our fish, birds and beaches. And children:
Should enrage everyone here.......


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I am not for it but danger lies south of us with Cuba and China running amuck with nobody watching them for shortcuts or shoddy drilling techniques. Also the smoked out Cali boys seem to have adjusted to their rigs; as well as the Gulfsters. As I said; I am not for it but we are surrounded.

Yahbut cuba, venezuela. Yahbut gulf and california. And yada yada....
What in the world does that, in any way, shape, or form have to do with the damage that is planned by the chumpf anti science, anti education, and anti environment dirtbags.
Or that has been, and is currently being, done to our natural and water resources by our elected officials. Right here in front of us!
For God sake, try for once to focus on an important issue altblight, MILO!bart goons.
Without immediately resorting to the l.s.d and yahbut, yahbut nonsense....

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you just cant help yourself yady ya, I said twice I am against it, capeche?

It's capiche. If you're going to try and be cute, at least try and spell correctly.

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“It is the heart of US policy to use fascism to preserve capitalism while claiming to be saving democracy from communism “ - Michael Parenti

Well well grammar and spelling cop back on the beat, the cat who never ever made a mistake. all hail rusty truck aka surf webster

Eh, goomba paisan wit da capiche: then hows about you stop with the lie spin distract kaka: cuba, venezuela. Gulf coast, my brilliant productive, innovative watersports brothers in california: channel islands (al merrick shaped my first board there in 72. Malcolm campbell is my friend) and the bonzer bros. They know the effects of utterly sik oil drilling off their home coasts. They were forced to grow up with it by the oil industry
And try wising the the fuk up. And help the actual florida watermen try to stop this travesty, dork.

Or just give us some alex jones and MILO! bannon progaganda to the contrary, as per the usual tired routine.
Duuuhhhhhhh........







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try an online reading course, oh by the way wow dude like you are like really like famous like wow we all like really are impressed, not

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Romans 8;18-32 John 3;16-18

Whoa... seems the pandering pussy Gov. that we currently have is lining up against this. Hell freezing over?

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So if you are a surfer I wish you the prosperity that allows you more time to pursue the salt water dream, and the true happiness that comes from warm water, clean waves and the companionship of your fellow surfers. If you are an internet troll just spewing bs then f off.

Here in South Carolina where coastal tourism just reported a value of $20 billion, our junior senator - Tim Scott - just cashed his check of $459k from the oil & gas lobby.
I guess it's nice to know what his price is.

That self dealing pos should be run out of town after a proper tarring and feathering.

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"One of the reasons why propaganda tries to get you to hate government is because it's the one existing institution in which people can participate to some extent and constrain tyrannical unaccountable power." Noam Chomsky.

In an attempt to triangulate more to the center, in preparation for his Senatorial run ..... Gov Skeletor actually came out with a statement opposing the lifting of the offshore drilling ban.

An ol saying about blind hogs and acorns comes to mind.

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"Most people would die sooner than think; in fact, they do." - Bertrand Russell


"Morality is doing what is right, regardless of what you are told. Religion is doing what you are told, regardless of what is right.


If I do not answer you .... nothing personal, I just have you on ignore.

Ohhh, noow scotts all touchy feely about our water resources, eh?
His record speaks otherwise.
Governor pig sugar, blue green algae promoter.
Time i light off the information dogshit that has been this enemy of floridas watersportsmen through his nightmarish anti environmental campaign.
Dont know which ones a bigger enemy of our water resources: chumpf, or pig sugar rick.
So here come all my posts by all the fish, dive and charter operators. Time share, resort, and hotel/motel operators. Who ate shit multiple times because of rick scotts policies
And remember joe negron. A republican, (an actual one!). Who finally did something to stop rick scotts sik anti enviroment agenda, against my, OUR florida

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Didn't Rubio & Nelson give the green light to Zinke for the EPA job?

I mean, they knew what he was about before voting this turd into the top Enviromental Protection job, right?

Like, shouldn't it be no suprize that Trump chanted "drill, baby, drill" at rallies, and Rubio & Nelson saw & heard it (Scott, too)?

Don't be "aww shucks" now.

Yes, VERY disappointingly, Nelson did vote to confirm Zinke .... and I personally gave him an ear full about it!! He mumbled something about, worse alternatives than Zinke, if he was not confirmed .... I called BS on that also.



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"Most people would die sooner than think; in fact, they do." - Bertrand Russell


"Morality is doing what is right, regardless of what you are told. Religion is doing what you are told, regardless of what is right.


If I do not answer you .... nothing personal, I just have you on ignore.

 The gulf coast is littered with them. Great structure for fishing great jobs. Yea go for it. Drill baby drill. Remember when blue horizons was supposed to have killed everything and ruined all the gulf coast beaches? Yea me neither. We have bigger risks with the floating golden corrals (cruise ships) and people who visit the beaches than offshore oil platforms.

"Mortality rates for common bottlenose dolphins living in Barataria Bay, Louisiana were 8 percent higher and their reproductive success was 63 percent lower compared to other dolphin populations.

An estimated 600,000 to 800,000 birds died as a result of the spill.

Harmful oil and/or oil dispersant chemicals were found in about 80 percent of pelican eggs that were laid in Minnesota, more than 1,000 miles from the Gulf, where most of these birds spend winters.

Oil exposure caused heart failure in juvenile bluefin and yellowfin tunas, reduced swimming ability in juvenile mahi-mahi and caused gill tissue damage in killifish.

The oil plume caused bleaching and tissue loss in deep-water coral reefs over an area three times larger than Manhattan.

Endangered sea turtles that had migrated to the Gulf from Mexico, South America and West Africa died in the spill, demonstrating the global scale of impacts.

The 50,000 people involved in the spill cleanup were exposed to chemicals that severely damage lung tissue.
Cleanup workers and their spouses reported increased depression and domestic disputes.

Even Gulf residents indirectly affected by the spill suffered from increased anxiety and depression.
It can take a decade or more for oil spill victims to recover from the physical and psychological effects of an oil disaster.

The impact of the oil spill on fisheries could total $8.7 billion by 2020, including the loss of 22,000 jobs.

10 million user-days of beach, fishing and boating activity were lost."

oceana.org

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"The truth is incontrovertible.
malice may attack it,
ignorance may deride it,
but in the end,
there it is." -Sir Winston Churchill

yeah, the stuff WG posted is just the stuff the clueless scientists were actually able to measure.  As some faux media promote, scientists cannot be trusted to do much of anything right, so let's put their ability to actually find something at 25% and thus the deepwater spills impact was really 3X as bad as the things mentioned above. 

no matter how shitty something is, crankit and cheater cannot just simply agree on one single thing with others on this forum that hold opposing views on other issues. amazing...

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QOP = Terrorists
FK = Gay

Or vice versa, consider what you just posted, you are hysterically funny
How many times does it take to say I am against it?

i need gas for my car. i own oil stock. DRILL BABY DRILL. just not in my backyard.

 We humans are just a speck of dust when it comes to the evolution of the earth. Our time on this rock will come to end one day no matter what we do. Plenty of life was here before us and plenty of life will be after us. Don't go thinking were some highly evolved life form that can change the course of time. When the planet has had enough of us that will be it. No amount of "sustainablitity" or "alternative energy" will change that. You guys go on and worry about that bullshit I am going to head to gulf and hunt for some yellowfin around one these world ending structures I mean fish magnets.

Yes, let's just speed it all up and end our race that much sooner.

I guess you are the type that likes toxic levels of Mercury in his tasty tuna steaks.

Do you ever bother to think? About anything? Ever?


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I was right.

The only thing, barring a cosmic event that destroys everything on this planet, that will kill us off is ourselves (directly or indirectly). We control our own evolution and we will move beyond the confines of this planet, eventually, ensuring the continuity of the species we rapidly becoming.

f-ing clueless assclown




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"Most people would die sooner than think; in fact, they do." - Bertrand Russell


"Morality is doing what is right, regardless of what you are told. Religion is doing what you are told, regardless of what is right.


If I do not answer you .... nothing personal, I just have you on ignore.

A surfer voting for a republican is a traitor.

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So if you are a surfer I wish you the prosperity that allows you more time to pursue the salt water dream, and the true happiness that comes from warm water, clean waves and the companionship of your fellow surfers. If you are an internet troll just spewing bs then f off.

Unless the republican believes in science and climate change.

Are there any?

They used to be normal educated yuppies, wft happened?


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I was right.

 Yep I like all those mercury laden fish. Crazy as it sounds I eat Amberjack and Kingfish. Usually the smallest ones but occasionally the larger ones. As I stated you guys go ahead and worry about all that bullshit that you have no control over. Join hands and protest and sing and lose sleep. When you accept the fact that big money will do what it wants regardless of you your life will get better.

It wouldn't hurt my feelings if we all rode bikes and lived in huts. Which I know all you save the planet people do. I will just continue to be a clueless ass clown who understands his place in the world.

Me, me, me. Its all about me.....
What are the symptoms of mercury poisoning anyway?
Seems to be another clueless adherent to the MILO!/slobbannon bleitfart school of thought: just burn it all down, fuck everybody else.
Ever seen video of the effects of severe long term exposure mercury poisoning on children, maggot chumpfscum? Sounds like its started on you already, please let us know when it progresses so we can shoot video and laugh at you.
duuuhhhhh......

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One of the top captains out of Sebastian is so full of mercury his doctor told him to stop touching fish....period.

If you are dumb enough to willingly poison yourself by eating something as blah as kingfish, have at it.

Darwinism at its finest.



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I was right.

its obvious you eat alot of polluted food. look at your handle and posts

 I don't eat kingfish that much. But those little snake kings cooked same day are not half bad. You guys act all high and mighty yet you drive cars, live in climate controlled homes etc, and pretend the demand for oil has nothing to do with you. If enough oil reserves are found in anyone of your backyards you would be quick to want to sell and be damned if any enviromental regulations stood in your way. There is not a soul on here that would not sell out if they had a choice. Hell I bet the vast majority on here if offered a six figure job in the oil industry would jump on it.

 

 So call me selfish, assclown, souless, whatever I am just telling you like it is. So get back on fiberglass surfboard and smoke your big joint and blame everyone else for everything. Cause the man in the mirror has nothing to do with it. It's everybody else that's the problem.

 

 

We can all do small things that will help the planet, paying a little more for oil products instead of pulling more from the ground is one of them.

Many of us do our part in our own little way, from swapping light bulbs to recycling what is useful to keeping fertilizer and clippings out of the river to taking toxic paints and what-not to collection sites. Thinking you can do nothing is just lazy and selfish.

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I was right.

odd, I don't remember people bitching so much when we kept continuing to ban drilling in our local waters previously?  Even the local Florida Military folks in the Panhandle did not want it opened in the gulf.  Are they now clueless losers also?

 Ok well every bulb in my house with the exception of my dryer and oven are LED. My home is well insulated and sometimes I even use a clothesline. I don't fertlize my lawn and I recycle. What I don't do is feel I am somehow better or more intelligent than the next guy. So if large oil reserves are found next to the Cocoa Beach Pier and it creates a bunch of high paying local jobs and creates a new surf spot. Are you telling me people will still be against it?

The only thing I am trying to point out is most people are hypocrites and don't have the courage to admit it. That and as long as a demand is present oil companies will be looking for new drill areas.

Call me all the names you want I don't care. I at least understand the problem and have made a choice that rather than fight I will carve out my own existence and save my energy for fishing and surfing.

 

So as I book a surf trip to Australia with my toxic surfboard I can sit on the beach and pretend that everybody else is the problem. Because I am a clueless idiot. Oh crap I am going to need a big joint too. Anybody want to join me I will pay your way. Oh that's right you wouldn't do that because of your principles.

Sorry old spark, but traveling with you is the last thing I want to do and I'm not a pot guy, so that's a zero for two.

I also have no desire to see a wall of oil platforms off of our coast and I have no desire to be bathed in their pollution, so that's zero for four.

Most of the World's major powers are moving to sustainability. We are moving in the opposite direction. In a decade, it won't be worth the effort to pull the oil out of the ground, but we will still be dependent because we are currently being run by people with no vision and no forethought.

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I was right.

LOL

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I troll 2L.com to be a better person in real life

 Oh c'mon I will sweeten the deal. I will bring some kingfish dip. We can talk about sustainability, bash america, recycling, being offended by everything. Don't leave me hanging how will have ever learn to live a superior existence and look down upon everyone else?

 I also just learned the light bulbs in my fridge are not LED. This green living sure is difficult. Am I alllowed to warm up my tofu or do I have to eat it at room temperature?  

duuhhhh....
yet another clueless chumpfscum florida natural resource hating dimwit.
Sarcastic all you want dumshit.
Then, maybe, please just move to someplace that has already ruined its beaches. Galveston sounds like a good fit for ya: as much oil and tar to wallow in as you want on days off from your lucrative miserable oil rig gig.
Til the mercury seizures and dementia kicks in.
Couldnt happen to a lamer dweeb

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Edited: 01/09/2018 at 04:51 PM by nukeh2o

 You guys don't have to cry anymore Trump is not going to allow it.

That is why environmental regulations exist and are not voluntary. It is that human nature that leads to the tragedy of the commons. There are a few that will foolishly sacrifice voluntarily for the common good but they will just be overrun by the masses without an agreed upon rule enforced by a third party.

But I guess your logic is that because we all have some level environmental impact that we should just individually say "fuck it" and stop worrying about things like reducing the nutrient load to the lagoon. Hell, my neighbors are still irrigating 3 days a week right now in this weather. I guess I should just shut up while they suck down the water table and make all our irrigation wells go salty. That way we can all be fucked together, but at least I'll gets mine on the way down.

Yep, we all need oil right now. Every gallon I save by driving a small car gets vacuumed up by the guy that does the same commute in a 10mpg truck. He benefits because the reduction in demand by people that cut use makes the fuel more affordable for him. That's why there has to be a push toward alternatives.

 

 

Everybody is the problem, but not equally.

And there are solutions. Acid rain was curbed by cap and trade of sulfur emissions. Now some lakes and rivers that had gone acidic in the northeast are actually again supporting aquatic life.

Mercury has dropped dramatically in the Everglades since the waste incinerators got shut down. 

If we ever switch to something other than coal fire for electricity then mercury in pelagics will drop too. 

I'll go ride my carbon fiber paddleboard in the morning. Yep. But I could go ride a jet ski and replace my mimosa lawn with St. Augustine. Hell, why am I paying a bill for sewer when I could just save myself some money and main-line it into the lagoon?

 

 

 

 

 

 

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"The Trump administration said Tuesday that it would not seek to bring oil and gas drilling to the waters off Florida, conceding to vocal opposition from the Republican governor of the tourism-driven state."


Thanks Rick Scott!

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"The truth is incontrovertible.
malice may attack it,
ignorance may deride it,
but in the end,
there it is." -Sir Winston Churchill

Thanks rick scott? Siiick.....
The same guy who blocked implementation of our 76% approved state amendment to restore the everglades and stop lake o pollution?
Sheee it, NOW he's a bleedin environmentalist, eh? Think any other legislators or senators might have had a say in it?

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spindrift

The wind farms would be worth the view being messed up imo. Not to mention, they would bring their own kind of beauty knowing that clean energy it was bringing in.

I agree.

They also aren't all Superfund sites.

Can we get the tar cleaning stations like Texas has too?



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I was right.

Yeah, the wind farm isn't going to spill anything. Watching them turn is kind of zen.

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“It is the heart of US policy to use fascism to preserve capitalism while claiming to be saving democracy from communism “ - Michael Parenti

Spinners are cheap now!

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Romans 8;18-32 John 3;16-18

PLus there is no need for more oil production in today's world.
Just the opposite, we need to slow it down.
Leave it in the ground.


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"The truth is incontrovertible.
malice may attack it,
ignorance may deride it,
but in the end,
there it is." -Sir Winston Churchill

Rape, pillage, plunder. Hell with sustainability, hell with future generations of americans. Aka: our kids.
Give all the pigshit fatcats tax breaks. The next generation will pay for it.
Gut environmental protection: the next generation will pay for it.
Note to chumpfscum dirtbags:
The next generation is of voting age now
And they're really pissed off

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It's a sad lack of any personal ethic. If it doesn't directly affect him, it doesn't matter. That's an empty soul.

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“It is the heart of US policy to use fascism to preserve capitalism while claiming to be saving democracy from communism “ - Michael Parenti

That is very good news!

That's because skeletor wants to go to Congress. Painfully transparent and cynical.

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“It is the heart of US policy to use fascism to preserve capitalism while claiming to be saving democracy from communism “ - Michael Parenti

Scott probably got a lot of phone calls from people who make big bucks from FL tourism.
And he wants to be a senator and isn't dumb enough to not get where the public opinion is on this.

But in any case, since I agree with the asshole's actions, so yea, thanks.

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"The truth is incontrovertible.
malice may attack it,
ignorance may deride it,
but in the end,
there it is." -Sir Winston Churchill

Imagine a BP-esque spill in close proximity to the Gulf Stream (which many platforms south of the cape would be near)?!?

The whole East Coast would be fuct..... I doubt BP dumping more toxic chemicals in the ocean to make the oil sink out of public eye and choke out the botom of the food chain would "fix" that problem. 

Skelator is a fine example of what repug's are all about. Pandering, any way to get elected sub human zeros.



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So if you are a surfer I wish you the prosperity that allows you more time to pursue the salt water dream, and the true happiness that comes from warm water, clean waves and the companionship of your fellow surfers. If you are an internet troll just spewing bs then f off.

Official: Plan to exclude Florida from drilling isn't final
Associated Press MATTHEW DALY,Associated Press 1 hour 8 minutes ago


WASHINGTON (AP) - The Trump administration's promise to exempt Florida from an offshore drilling plan is not a formal action, an Interior Department official said Friday in a statement that Democrats said contradicted a high-profile announcement by Interior Secretary Ryan Zinke.

Zinke has proposed opening nearly all U.S. coastline to offshore oil and gas drilling, but said soon after announcing the plan that he will keep Florida "off the table" when it comes to offshore drilling.

Zinke's Jan. 9 statement about Florida "stands on its own," said Walter Cruickshank, the acting director of the Bureau of Ocean Energy Management, but there's been no formal decision on the five-year drilling plan.

"We have no formal decision yet on what's in, or out, of the five-year program," Cruickshank told the House Natural Resources Committee at a hearing Friday.

Zinke's announcement about keeping Florida off the table, made during a Tallahassee news conference with Florida Gov. Rick Scott, will be part of the department's analysis as it completes the five-year plan, Cruickshank said.

Democrats seized on the comment to accuse Zinke of playing politics by granting the Republican governor's request to exempt Florida while ignoring nearly a dozen other states that made similar requests.

Florida Sen. Bill Nelson called Cruickshank's comments "stunning" and said they confirm what he and other Democrats had suspected - that Zinke's statement was "nothing more than a political stunt" to help Scott run for Nelson's Senate seat.

Scott is a friend and ally of President Donald Trump, and Trump has urged him to run for the Senate.

Zinke's promise to take Florida off the table was "just empty words" until he takes formal steps needed to publish a new draft plan that excludes Florida, Nelson said.

Heather Swift, a spokeswoman for Zinke, called the claims by Nelson and other Democrats false. "Cruickshank simply said BOEM will finish the legally-required analysis of the planning areas, as is always done for all planning areas," she said in an email.

Scott said Friday he did not see Cruickshank's comments but was confident the Trump administration will not allow drilling in Florida.

"Secretary Zinke is a man of his word. He's a Navy Seal. He promised me that Florida would be off the table, and I believe Florida is off the table," Scott told reporters Friday.

Zinke announced plans two weeks ago to vastly expand offshore oil drilling from the Atlantic to the Arctic and Pacific oceans, including in more than a dozen states where drilling is now blocked. The five-year plan would open 90 percent of the nation's offshore reserves to development by private companies.

The plan has drawn bipartisan opposition by coastal state governors from California to New Hampshire, with at least 11 governors formally asking Zinke to remove their states from the plan. Seven governors from Massachusetts to North Carolina submitted a joint request for exemptions this week.

"Like Florida, each of our states has unique natural resources and an economy that is reliant on tourism as an essential driver," the governors wrote. The letter was signed by Republican leaders of Massachusetts and Maryland and Democrats from Rhode Island, Connecticut, Delaware, Virginia and North Carolina.

By exempting Florida but not other states, Zinke showed he is "more concerned with politics than proper process when it comes to making key decisions that affect our coastal communities," said Sen. Maria Cantwell of Washington state, the top Democrat on the Senate Energy and Natural Resources Committee.

Zinke's action may violate the Outer Continental Shelf Lands Act, which governs drilling in U.S. coastal waters, Cantwell said. The law requires formal notice and a comment period before taking regulatory action.

Rep. Jared Huffman, D-Calif., a member of the natural resources panel, told Cruickshank that the Interior Department has not offered "a single reason why Florida is more unique than California or Virginia or South Carolina or other coastal states."

Oil industry groups have praised Zinke's plan, while environmental groups say it would harm America's oceans, coastal economies, public health and marine life.

Nelson said this week he is blocking three Trump nominees for high-level Interior jobs to protest the drilling proposal.

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