Don't take my word for it, read the fake news.

http://www.politico.com/story/...-agent-ukraine-240027

Tick tock M-F'ers

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“It is the heart of US policy to use fascism to preserve capitalism while claiming to be saving democracy from communism “ - Michael Parenti

And the guy ends up being Trump's campaign manger for awhile?

What the heck is going on?

That's two foreign agents now on the trump campaign team.

They register only after they are caught.

Wake up America, the white house is compromised by our enemies.

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“It is the heart of US policy to use fascism to preserve capitalism while claiming to be saving democracy from communism “ - Michael Parenti

Poor trump was just so new to politics that manafort took advantage of him. Trump was an outsider and just didn't know all the ways this would create problems. Uninformed, misinformed and naive but not a traitor. It's a pivot. I remember when he was genius, billionaire businessman who was going to work the estsblishment like an undocumented pole.



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"One of the reasons why propaganda tries to get you to hate government is because it's the one existing institution in which people can participate to some extent and constrain tyrannical unaccountable power." Noam Chomsky.

"Trump forced Manafort to step down from his campaign last year after The Associated Press reported that Manafort and another Trump campaign official, Rick Gates, had secretly helped the Ukrainian Party of Regions steer money to two Washington lobbying firms through a nonprofit."

And Manafort's story is the Party of Regions is working for 'the opposite of pro-Russian takeover of Ukraine.'
Will they ever stop lying?

Sooooooo....Trump finds out about Manafort and forces him (FIRES HIM) to step down and you assholes have issue with Trumps decision?!?@!?!

Yall should be worried about SHIT like this:



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The REAL truth is....both of the forum idiots are OWNED.
-BOTH of them have no clue who their owner is.
-They are both card carrying narcissists.
^These are PROVED facts.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/...utm_term=.9bc668b60812

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“It is the heart of US policy to use fascism to preserve capitalism while claiming to be saving democracy from communism “ - Michael Parenti

Did you notice who Manafort was working for? The Podesta Group? As in the lobbying firm John Podesta co-founded and is now run by his brother, Tony.

Are you guys saying that Tony Podesta used the firm that he and his brother, John Podesta, founded to try to bring down the Hillary campaign of which John Podesta was a senior advisor to?

If not, what are you alleging here. None of your puzzle pieces look like they are fitting together.

It would appear that the Clinton campaign would have more to do with this revelation than Trump does.

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"The government who robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul," - George Bernard Shaw

“Don’t underestimate Joe’s ability to f—k things up.” - Barack Obama

“End of quote. Repeat the line.” - wise words from Joe Biden

It was legal for him to do the work, as long as he disclosed the information.

What was he doing to make him avoid disclosure?

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I was right.

This FNN article states that The Podesta Group didn't disclose it. It doesn't state that disclosing this information is the duty of individuals working on behalf of these firms.

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"The government who robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul," - George Bernard Shaw

“Don’t underestimate Joe’s ability to f—k things up.” - Barack Obama

“End of quote. Repeat the line.” - wise words from Joe Biden

You guys suck at reading comprehension and critical thinking. You saw the name "Podesta" and just kept on reading?

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"The government who robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul," - George Bernard Shaw

“Don’t underestimate Joe’s ability to f—k things up.” - Barack Obama

“End of quote. Repeat the line.” - wise words from Joe Biden

You saw Podesta Group and decided that the link to the lobbying firm washes Manafort clean?

Mueller is investigating the whole thing, I trust he'll get to the bottom of it.

If it turns out trump didn't know, then it would expose him as incompetent beyond the pale. It might be that he was just the stooge and drew in enemies foreign and domestic who knew that with a bag of money and earful of compliments they could advance their anti-American agendas.

Trump may well be the central ignoramus in a rotten festering sore of corruption.

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“It is the heart of US policy to use fascism to preserve capitalism while claiming to be saving democracy from communism “ - Michael Parenti

Edited: 06/28/2017 at 06:48 AM by RustyTruck

So, am I understanding this correctly? You guys are alleging that Tony Podesta worked with Donald Trump to send Paul Manafort to lobby for a Ukraine-based, pro-Russia, non-profit organization, in 2012-2014 so they could try to derail the Hillary Clinton campaign, which Tony Podesta's brother was basically the number 2 guy in???

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"The government who robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul," - George Bernard Shaw

“Don’t underestimate Joe’s ability to f—k things up.” - Barack Obama

“End of quote. Repeat the line.” - wise words from Joe Biden

I saw the goose chase you were on there.
Sorry, i didn't realize you were serious.

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"The truth is incontrovertible.
malice may attack it,
ignorance may deride it,
but in the end,
there it is." -Sir Winston Churchill

See, Rusty. Even WG is starting to have doubts and agrees with me

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"The government who robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul," - George Bernard Shaw

“Don’t underestimate Joe’s ability to f—k things up.” - Barack Obama

“End of quote. Repeat the line.” - wise words from Joe Biden

Don't press your luck, bud.

Manafort was paid $17 million by a pro-Russia outfit to set up lobbying in the US (and Europe) via a third party, a Brussels-based nonprofit masquerading as pro-western, the European Center for a Modern Ukraine.

The Podesta Group and Mercury LLC were getting paid (2.2 million) by the Brussels based firm, to lobby in the US per directions directly from Manafort.

Money laundering and covert lobbying 101

Nope.
Try again

Manafort consulted with a pro-Russian Ukrainian organization  before Trump was even a candidate? And that is even worthy of comment? Scraping the bottom of the Russian conspiracy barrel, don't you think?

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I :heart; Q

The fact is that Manafort was an unregistered foreign agent of a pro-Russia Ukrainian organization.

It's also a fact that the GOP platform was mysteriously changed by pro-trump elements to benefit Russia by preventing Ukraine from being armed by the US.

Russia had agents on the inside of the trump campaign, and they helped him win using espionage techniques, and now trump (and his supporters) are trying to cover for them.

Shame on you.



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“It is the heart of US policy to use fascism to preserve capitalism while claiming to be saving democracy from communism “ - Michael Parenti

Consulted with?
He was directly paid $17 million to set-up covert Russian influence in the US and Europe.

In cahoots with John Podesta's brother from 2012-2014. Seriously? This is your smoking gun for the week? Or should I have said weak?

You guys are losing it. Jesus Christ.

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"The government who robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul," - George Bernard Shaw

“Don’t underestimate Joe’s ability to f—k things up.” - Barack Obama

“End of quote. Repeat the line.” - wise words from Joe Biden

Podesta is testifying in closed session with the intelligence committee. They claim they didn't know the Brussels based shell organization was set up to launder the Russian funding. I don't buy that. If someone gives you $2.2 million to lobby foreign interests, you are responsible for finding out exactly where it's coming from.

But cleary, Manafort is in much deeper.

If Podesta is guilty, take him down too.

Why do you attack Podesta and defend Manafort?

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I was right.

I'm not defending anyone. What are you accusing them of? Why does Podesta's firm, omitting some meetings from a report in reference to meetings that occurred with a Ukrainian non-profit from 2012-2014 have to do with anything?

Sounds like it would be like me asking you to produce receipts for things you wrote off on your taxes in 2012 and then if you lost a few of them or couldn't produce them, automatically assuming you are a criminal.

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"The government who robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul," - George Bernard Shaw

“Don’t underestimate Joe’s ability to f—k things up.” - Barack Obama

“End of quote. Repeat the line.” - wise words from Joe Biden

If it might be illegal, I'd go by the book.

If you are working on behalf of a foreign government, the law requires you to notify the state department. If there was no law broken the point is moot.

But either way, Manafort, a tRump campaign leader, was working in close quarters with pro Russian agents in Ukraine and he is one of several trump people to have close ties with know Russian agents.

If this was the Clinton administration, would you want a special council to look into these relationships? Of course you would.

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I was right.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!!

That's rich!

Clinton got away with MURDER, ESPIONAGE, TREASON and COLLUSION....and none of you said PEEP!

NOT ONE WORD!

Her day is coming too!

Count on it!

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The REAL truth is....both of the forum idiots are OWNED.
-BOTH of them have no clue who their owner is.
-They are both card carrying narcissists.
^These are PROVED facts.

Innocent until proven guilty?

Hypocrite until...well okay forever.

BTW, she's guilty of none of that; it's simply not credible. If it were, the GOP HOUSE AND SENATE would be all over it. Instead we got Benghazi, which went...where? Now we have Mueller and we shall see.

So you are saying you would want to see an investigation. Thanks for agreeing with me.


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I was right.

Well, if you progs want to riot over this, more power to you. But neither I nor much of anyone else care.

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I :heart; Q

You can't inflict your feigned apathy on anyone and hope its contagious. It smacks of evangelism.

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"One of the reasons why propaganda tries to get you to hate government is because it's the one existing institution in which people can participate to some extent and constrain tyrannical unaccountable power." Noam Chomsky.

They were clearly lobbying in the US on Russian payroll, and failed to register as foreign agents.
That is a felony, as it should be.

This is how we lose sovereignty to the "monied interests," international and domestic corporations and apparently even foreign governments now, buying politicians, controlling the media, and spreading propaganda via social media, and laundering the flow of money through shell corporations.

Mueller can bring down both parties and it would be fine by me, but I've got this quaint idea of America as a free country that refuses to accept covert foreign influence on our government.
I don't much care which team they play for.

Neither should you guys. Instead of straining yourself trying to change the subject, or whistling past the graveyard, you should be lobbying your representatives to completely support the independent investigation no matter what comes of it.

Trump could end up just being the stooge. There's ample evidence he's nothing but a used car salesman who knows how to play a mark.


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“It is the heart of US policy to use fascism to preserve capitalism while claiming to be saving democracy from communism “ - Michael Parenti

Did I miss something? Did the story mention any of these meetings happening since 2014? You think we are losing our sovereignty because a lobbying group, lobbying on behalf of a Ukrainian non-profit, omitted some meetings from some reports in 2012-2014? I understand what lobbyists do for a living and I'm not sure I understand what sinister plot you are alluding to here. I'm not sure that most of you on the left understand what you even think happened here. Not only that but this story has more to do with the Hillary campaign and the Obama administration than it does with Trump. It happened in 2014 and Manafort was working directly for the lobbying firm that John Podesta cofounded. This looks like a very weak and desperate attempt to connect dots that just aren't there.

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"The government who robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul," - George Bernard Shaw

“Don’t underestimate Joe’s ability to f—k things up.” - Barack Obama

“End of quote. Repeat the line.” - wise words from Joe Biden

I'm not sure that most of you on the left understand what you even think happened here.

As of right now, no one does and that's the point.

If either did something illegal they should be prosecuted.

I sure millions of people did illegal things while Obama was president, that doesn't mean he is complicit. The same can be said for Trump, unfortunately, Manafort worked hand in hand with The Donald, hence the special investigation.

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I was right.

Should we apply the same standard to Hillary? Should she be tried for the mishandling of classified information, a felony charge? See the double-standard here? Democrats get away with murder, while Republicans get crucified for jaywalking. Should Al Sharpton be tried for tax evasion? Should Bernie Sanders and his wife be tried for fraud in the Bernie University scandal?

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"The government who robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul," - George Bernard Shaw

“Don’t underestimate Joe’s ability to f—k things up.” - Barack Obama

“End of quote. Repeat the line.” - wise words from Joe Biden

Republicans completely control the government, if Clinton broke the law, they should bring charges. It's not like they lack conviction, they dragged the Benghazi shit out for years and years and years....even when several bipartisan investigations found nothing. If Clinton is so corrupt, a conviction should be effortless. Call your congress person and leave us out of it.

The FBI said there was no wrongdoing on Clinton's part.

The FBI handed the election to Trump.

Can you explain why you think they are/were pro Clinton?


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I was right.

One effin word Coleslaw....

COMEY!

Trump FIRED him!

For blatantly OBVIOUS reasons!



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The REAL truth is....both of the forum idiots are OWNED.
-BOTH of them have no clue who their owner is.
-They are both card carrying narcissists.
^These are PROVED facts.

That's right. Before Trump was a presidential candidate, the Russians knew that Trump would enter the race, would hire Manafort, and would win the Republican nomination and the general election. Armed with that knowledge, they entered into a nefarious deal with Manafort, whereby Manafort, once he was asked to become campaign manager, was to convince Trump to become a pawn of Putin. Trump, someone whose personality lends itself to being someone else's pawn, readily accepted the offer.

I have no idea how anyone who is not a schizophrenic could believe such a thing.

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I :heart; Q

Its like we have said before on here, the GOP gets to choose the Trump they go forward with, the aging political novice backed into a corner by trusted traitors in his inner circle or amoral traitor opportunist that went into the fray with his well trained eyes wide open. Neither bode well for them. They are now pivoting from their blanket denial to acceptance that it happened to Trump, not with Trump. This tactic might get them through summer but not fall.

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"One of the reasons why propaganda tries to get you to hate government is because it's the one existing institution in which people can participate to some extent and constrain tyrannical unaccountable power." Noam Chomsky.

I think Sniper would have a much different opinion if Manafort and Flynn had been working on the Clinton or Obama campaigns.



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“It is the heart of US policy to use fascism to preserve capitalism while claiming to be saving democracy from communism “ - Michael Parenti

And he drives around anything he can't find a way to snarkily rebut.

Feel different about what? A lobbyist lobbying? Tell me what you are accusing Manafort or Trump of and I can form more of an opinion.

If Hillary had won the election would you be this concerned about a lobbying firm founded by John Podesta sent Manafort to lobby on their behalf and didn't report some of the meetings between 2012-2014? Would you still think this equates to us losing our sovereignty? Would you still be ready to prosecute Manafort and/or The Podesta Group?

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"The government who robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul," - George Bernard Shaw

“Don’t underestimate Joe’s ability to f—k things up.” - Barack Obama

“End of quote. Repeat the line.” - wise words from Joe Biden

Yes, you missed something.
Manafort wasn't working for Podesta.
Other way around




Edited: 06/28/2017 at 11:14 AM by 3rdworldlover

I'm sure trump is just an innocent merchant turned politician besmirched by his enemies.

Luckily he's got Mueller on the case to clear his good name.

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“It is the heart of US policy to use fascism to preserve capitalism while claiming to be saving democracy from communism “ - Michael Parenti

See? He can't even keep up with his own contradictions. He's just not sincere about any of it.

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"One of the reasons why propaganda tries to get you to hate government is because it's the one existing institution in which people can participate to some extent and constrain tyrannical unaccountable power." Noam Chomsky.

For blatantly OBVIOUS reasons!

Yep. He was getting to close to tRump's criminal behavior.

FACT!!

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I was right.

LIAR!

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The REAL truth is....both of the forum idiots are OWNED.
-BOTH of them have no clue who their owner is.
-They are both card carrying narcissists.
^These are PROVED facts.

Pick your president fishy, opportunistic traitor or incompetent novice? Neither square with your loyal selective vision.

As for tpapsmear: while you might find it impossible to believe that a former KGB murderer had a long game with a greedy amoral real estate celebrity, most do not. Pooty has cultivated many possible scenarios with the goal of undermining the legitimacy of American democracy and world leadership. The improbable success of trump and the debt he owes putin are the jackpot that gambler gets when he makes enough bets for long enough.

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"One of the reasons why propaganda tries to get you to hate government is because it's the one existing institution in which people can participate to some extent and constrain tyrannical unaccountable power." Noam Chomsky.