Back when Reagan got this started, the progs of the day were against it and mocked Reagan by calling it "Starwars." Said it could never work. Progs back then were just as stupid and just as wrong as the ones today.

This is a reminder of how good Reagan was.

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^ grand opening - grand closing  ^

Are you fucking kidding me?

It's barely possible now thanks to the advancement and refinement of, oh, just about everything. How's about those computers in the 80s, huh?

You're an engineer. You know what controls systems are based on, right?

Oh, please.

Back then it was science fiction and Star Wars was a popular movie and used as a reference.  All of those projects had very high failure rates in the beginning, but as time went on and the science and tech got better the engineers were able make some of the concepts work.  Even now we could not execute some of those concepts sucessfully.  Also, many were against them because they violated several treaties including space based weapons and ABM agreements. 

Trumpatsy is not a very brilliant pebble, is he?

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If I should ever die, God forbid, let this be my epitaph: THE ONLY PROOF HE NEEDED FOR THE EXISTENCE OF GOD WAS MUSIC - KV

He's just button pushing. He knows all this.

Yeah, you are probably right...but I have seen him surf and there is no excuse for that!!!! 

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HAHAH! straight off adolf!

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Imagine what we could do if we dedicated 40 years and the equivalent amount of money spent on Star Wars to curing cancer, heart disease, diabetes, HIV, and proving healthcare to all citizens.

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Our interceptors under Reagan.

Wouldnt have it but for the foresight of Reagan. You guys would have spend all that money on welfare and other stupid stuff.

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The bad guys would come and take it all from us?

Yuh think? What bad guys? The only invasion we've ever had to fight off was the British in 1812 and a drive-by by Pancho Villa.

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Betcha it ain't a done deal.

Easier to hit your own test missile.

Mostly true, with some dependency on the dynamics and signature of the enemy's missile.

I'm surprised this was announced as a first, and was surprised the test was announced on CNN before it was conducted.

Just think -- if the test had failed, the world would know about. Enemies would be emboldened to think their ICBMs could get through, and Americans would be shitting bricks.

I doubt we would have announced it as a first unless we were close to 100% assured of success, which could only happen if built on previous (but secret) successes. Part of the rationale for the timing of the current (public) test seems to be putting Kim Jong Un on notice that he's wasting his money to continue a missile program, as well as alleviate some of the world's concern that, despite Trump's incompetent saber-rattling, we do have a backup plan.

As far as Star Wars goes, some of the earlier proving ground came via Patriot missiles in Israel shooting down Iraqi SCUDs. We would not currently have what we have without all the baby steps before us.

We know the signatures of NK missiles, lotsa data good signatures who you foolin?

Tee's right.  The launch signature is not the same as the reentry signature.  We haven't seen any real data on NK reentry vehicles. 

Also, as an example of biasing the test -  for the early thaad flights prior to launching the target vehicle  the reentry vehicle was pre-heated to assist with the interceptor kill vehicle acquisition.  That missile has matured and that isn't necessary any longer, but when testing there is always more control by definition.  >>> In a war-time event Murphy is always present. 

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If I should ever die, God forbid, let this be my epitaph: THE ONLY PROOF HE NEEDED FOR THE EXISTENCE OF GOD WAS MUSIC - KV

So you 're saying we only tracked the launch, not reentry? Uh huh

We may have known the exact launch location, but don't know much about the intended target. Therefore, we can't estimate much about its cone of error. They may also have been simply demonstrating range, with a simple elliptical downward trajectory, and not any evasive maneuverability on the way down (which I would speculate NK can't do at this point.)

To my other point, I'm still very surprised we'd announce this in advance if it truly were a first test. On the other hand, I'm not sure anyone besides the Ruskies have any capability to determine whether we told the truth about the success or not. So we could just say it works and hope that at least dissuades KJU from wasting more money.

When fishing guides second guess aeronautical engineers?

They haven't demonstrated their reentry huck and jive on these launches because everyone's is classified. See RJ above; he's also an engineer.

This is the entire problem with the crew that elected Trump. Know what you know and also know what the fuck you don't know.

So you are the only smart one here? Thats laughable,go back to your manual page 2 paragraph 3 subset c to look for your programmed response. Same could be said about you smug progs who are whores to the degree, get out a bit,breathe some fresh air and possibly your brain might accept the fact you aint the only guy who can cipher

I knew it. Another idiot who thinks you can't learn anything from books.

Who do you think designed your car, bumrush? Your boat motor? Your GPS? Engineers like me. Not your pal Bubba and his sandblaster and welder.

Unless you like to wear skins and hunt with a bow, we own you, mofo. When I tell you how to fish you can call me out, but I ain't gonna do that see. Why? Because I know what I know and what I don't know.

Again, shit like this explains Trump.

As I said your ignorance is supported by your arrogance,anyone with math skills can figure trajectories
Pat all yourselves on the collective backs, its rocket science right?

Actually it's quite a bit of work to figger trajectories if you take everything into account.

Rocket thrust, decreasing fuel mass, varying gravity, earth's rotation, air resistance. It's not the same as physics I ballistics. You must use numerical methods.

Bamboo is literally a rocket scientist. I know this for a fact.

Your original statement could be interpreted in at least three ways:

1) Imagine if we (had already) spent that money on healthcare INSTEAD of defense

2) Imagine if we (had already) spent that money on healthcare IN ADDITION TO defense

3) Imagine if we were to (future) spend that equivalent money on healthcare

The results could be (or could have been):

1) We (and most of our allies) would have little defense. Although we might not have been invaded, allies might have been.

2) We would be broke. But have fewer health issues to need money for.

3) Because we are $20T in debt and healthcare is already 1/6 of our total economy, we'd have to make some tough choices. See #1 about defending allies.

With Putin getting wacky and China getting filthy rich it would be careless to not keep our defenses top-notch.

Constitutionally, the preamble's "provide for the common defense" is a lot more explicit about intent than "promote the general welfare."

For an armchair historian, I'm surprised you missed the fact that during WW II, the Imperial Japanese Army took control of two of the westernmost Aleutian Islands - Attu and Kiska, and also attacked the American base at Dutch Harbor by air. Don't forget the German U-boats off the coast of NC either. Pearl Harbor and 9/11 count in my book too.

Don't we spend more on defence than the next 10 or so countries combined? My point is that we spare no expense on the military industrial complex, but claim poverty when it comes to wellness, much to our peril.

I'll concede the Aleutian islands, but the U Boat menace and the other attacks you list were not "invasions".

Do you think a foreign enemy could physically hold significant geography in the lower 48?

We will perish under the weight of our own feckless vanity long before we're defeated militarily.

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Over the last eight years, how much did Obama cut military spending?

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Type 2 Diabetes, non-congenital heart disease, and many forms of cancer are all metabolic in nature. We could have made a massive dent in this ourselves simply by eating properly and exercising. I know telling people that they are fat and it is going to kill them isn't politically correct these days, but sometimes you have to hurt feelings for the greater good.

As far as the rest of cancer goes, we simply didn't have the tech to do the things 10-40 years ago that we have now. The bitch of cancer is that it is unique to the individual. Things like CRISPR/CAS9 are already making massive breakthroughs and techniques based off this tech have already cured incurable cancer in a few test subjects (not to mention all the other things it can do......). Hell, not even 5 years ago could we think about editing DNA inline like a word processor can edit text. Now you can do it in your garage for a couple thousand dollars and a little know how.

Well, when you have "government" that is nothing more than the enforcement of Big Corproate America, what do you expect? The military complex owns the government, so does big pharma. Whats the result? Money spent on Star Wars and providing band aides instead of cures. Any y'all think Government regulated healthcare is a good idea.......government regulated anything for that matter.....

Odd admixture of insight and confusion.

As I've mentioned before, the military spending compared to other countries is a red herring. They pay their people less than we do, use shoddier resources, and have no regard for environmental laws. In other words, much less overhead, and much more bang for the buck. Most of our enemies aren't paying to defend as many allies we are either. It's too bad we aren't reaping all the benefits of medical research and health care that our allies provide, in return for our defense.

Nobody's going to hold much of the Lower 48 for long, I'll give you that. But we still have allies to defend, and many of them could be easily overrun, especially now that we're tired and have less stomach for it.

Lot of rocket scientists around these parts. I am just a lowly software engineer myself

Web programmer.

Though also degreed mechanical engineer.

The test was on our icbm, launched from a known location. Hitting a bullet with a bullet, yes, but the base in Alaska has about 36 interceptors and they would launch multiples to account for debris and decoys. It's still a great development but it's still very much being devoloped. The volume of interceptors seems acceptable for North Korea right now but nowhere near sufficient for pooty tangs Russian stockpile.

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"One of the reasons why propaganda tries to get you to hate government is because it's the one existing institution in which people can participate to some extent and constrain tyrannical unaccountable power." Noam Chomsky.

I'm hoping we hit them before they get too far into the reentry phase and start giving birth to MIRV babies; hopefully also in time to know if we missed and need to get off a second shot.

(I've worked on inertial nav systems for aircraft and targeting/guidance systems for anti-aircraft missiles, but it's been a long time, and I haven't slept at a Holiday Inn express since then. Nothing close to orbital altitudes.)

What are your credentials?

Sounds like these boys know their business.

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“It is the heart of US policy to use fascism to preserve capitalism while claiming to be saving democracy from communism “ - Michael Parenti

Guys, seriously we don't have anything to worry about- if any NK missile start coming in, FK will take them down with his scope, no problem.


If that doesn't work, Commiefive0 will just do a real big cast and snag it.. he can figure out how to do it cuz he's got dem smarts..



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This really is a non issue. 

Trump says he is an expert in this field, also.

"Asked about how hard it would be to become an expert on nuclear technology, Trump said it would be "easy."

''It would take an hour and a half to learn everything there is to learn about missiles,'' Trump said. ''I think I know most of it anyway. You're talking about just getting updated on a situation.''

...and he didn't even stay at a Holiday Inn Express.

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If I should ever die, God forbid, let this be my epitaph: THE ONLY PROOF HE NEEDED FOR THE EXISTENCE OF GOD WAS MUSIC - KV


Edited: 06/03/2017 at 05:21 AM by Bamboo

Come on man, its just rocket science.. its not like its swamp fishing or anything LOL




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So so many variables, and then decoys, subterfuge and debris. And that's just a fishing guide. Badump bump. I'll be here all week.

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"One of the reasons why propaganda tries to get you to hate government is because it's the one existing institution in which people can participate to some extent and constrain tyrannical unaccountable power." Noam Chomsky.

It worked. Reagan got the ball rolling. Progs were vehemently against it. Progs are always wrong.

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Do you actually think Reagan was the first to promote ABMs? 

Eisenhower and Kennedy really got the ball rolling for ABMs.   Reagan promoted lots of stuff in the DoD and DoE world, not just ABMs.  Most of those projects dropped by the wayside, while others were pursued.

Not all Democrats were against it, and not all Republicans were for it.    But at least we had presidents who understood the world theater and worked with congress.

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If I should ever die, God forbid, let this be my epitaph: THE ONLY PROOF HE NEEDED FOR THE EXISTENCE OF GOD WAS MUSIC - KV

But at least we had presidents who understood the world theater and worked with congress.

King Orange can't even agree with himself. What a fool.

This was developed the entire time Obama was in office, yet Trumpablo gives credit to ronnie raygun.

It appears our dear barrister is waaayy overdue for a holiday.

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I was right.

If it was really easy (as some on this thread think) then stuff like this wouldn't happen.

http://www.defensenews.com/articles/us-navy-ballistic-missile-intercept-test-fails

 

 

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If I should ever die, God forbid, let this be my epitaph: THE ONLY PROOF HE NEEDED FOR THE EXISTENCE OF GOD WAS MUSIC - KV

Yet cons were ready to bet the farm on it 30 years ago.

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"The truth is incontrovertible.
malice may attack it,
ignorance may deride it,
but in the end,
there it is." -Sir Winston Churchill

Computing ballistic trajectories is easy, right?

Cheater must have thought it was because they made a movie about a woman who computed them.

FYI, something as basic as a knuckleball is more or less unpredictable. Let me know if you want to know why.

But I guess hitting an ICBM is just common sense.

Maybe we could design a Tim Wakefield launcher....thing would be unhittable.

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I met Wakefield at a fundraiser a few years ago; really nice, humble guy. Lives nearby.

I also used to catch (3rd string) in HS for a pitcher who threw knucklers. Only Kim Jong Un is more evil than a good knuckle ball!