Who is more to blame, trump for being an admitted idiot, or the simpletons who voted for him?

He later added, "I do miss my old life. This -- I like to work. But this is actually more work."

http://www.cnn.com/2017/04/28/...dent-easier/index.html

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“It is the heart of US policy to use fascism to preserve capitalism while claiming to be saving democracy from communism “ - Michael Parenti

Cool, at least he is admitting that. Maybe you can work on admitting that Islamic fundamentalists and sharia do not mix with western culture and violate gay, women, and human rights as a whole. If Trump can do it, surely you can too.

Next step for you and the rest of the fringe left is to stop alienating people with your nonsense rhetoric and hypocrisy so putting someone in office like Trump doesn't happen again. I know it is a big step, but surely you have to realize how stupid it is to call people stupid when you want to win them over to your way of seeing things? Or no... are you that stupid?

"I loved my previous life. I had so many things going"

"It was much better, there was so much more pussy to grab"


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So if you are a surfer I wish you the prosperity that allows you more time to pursue the salt water dream, and the true happiness that comes from warm water, clean waves and the companionship of your fellow surfers. If you are an internet troll just spewing bs then f off.

Someone has said that Islamic fundies and sharia mix with western culture?

Have you heard what the Hindu's are up to lately. Those cow fuckers can get just as retarded at the goat molesters and zombie worhipers.

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Government suppression of religion does not mix with western culture either.

Government suppression of religion is the functional equivalent of the government mandating religious practice.

Western culture says apply the secular laws of the nation equally to all citizens and let religion be. Most fundamentalism will wash out with time except for the most cloistered fucked up sects but they will marginalize themselves.

Try to suppress religion with the power of the state and you only strengthen it, in part because you are acting like the religious control freaks that you are trying to combat.

If you create a government where the majority gets to dictate religion then you have a government that a religion can take over and use to violate gays and women if that religion gets the majority.

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And miker maybe you can stop setting up straw men and pretending people believe something they don't and admit that most Muslims who come to America are not fundamentalists who want to impose sharia on us and mix just fine with our American pluralist culture.

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"The truth is incontrovertible.
malice may attack it,
ignorance may deride it,
but in the end,
there it is." -Sir Winston Churchill

 

And WG...if u believe that - then maybe monkeys will fly out yer butt.

I am not pretending anything. He said it directly himself when point blank asked.

How about you stop defending stupid people for believing stupid things just because they are on your side of the fence?

If he actually said that, I would agree that it's stupid, but I doubt it. I haven't seen ANYBODY say anything of the sort. Nor am I gonna go digging for it, but you can if you want.

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"The truth is incontrovertible.
malice may attack it,
ignorance may deride it,
but in the end,
there it is." -Sir Winston Churchill

There's the biggest problem:

We've been programmed

into thinking there are two sides

when we are all in this together;

This is what will tear this country apart.

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GOP:

Gaslight
Obstruct
Project

I guess you can call it "monkeys" if you want to.

I have been told that I need a better vocabulary.


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"The truth is incontrovertible.
malice may attack it,
ignorance may deride it,
but in the end,
there it is." -Sir Winston Churchill

If you voted for someone you know was a mistake and are too big of a clown to admit the error, that's your own damn problem.

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I was right.

Pretty sure most sane and rational Trump voters are already there.

Then of course you have people like tpap and fk that live in denial.

^^

Please queue some fringe moron responding with an insult aimed at nearly half the people in the country. Maybe something along the lines of misogynist, racist, xenophobe, or homophobe?

^You old white male crackers are funny!

(how did I do?)  

edit:  add straight

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add a signature since I'm here in profile anyway

GDP growth slows to the slowest in 3 years.... "Major conflict" with North Korea is possible...

National Parks opened up for oil drilling. Controls on financial sector rolled back.

President says his job is hard.

Special Needs voters celebrate.

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“It is the heart of US policy to use fascism to preserve capitalism while claiming to be saving democracy from communism “ - Michael Parenti

He did.

Deal with it.

Yep, we Trump voters are quite happy with how things have gone so far. And, if the election were held again today, Trump would win again. So stew on that for awhile, progs.

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I :heart; Q

Did you Rusty?
Did you say (type on this forum) anything close to:

"Islamic fundamentalists and sharia mix just fine with western culture and do not violate gay, women, and human rights"

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"The truth is incontrovertible.
malice may attack it,
ignorance may deride it,
but in the end,
there it is." -Sir Winston Churchill

Even if he did .... WTF does that have to do with the subject of this thread!! Rusty is not the POTUS. His words and actions do not have global consequences, but Trump's do.

That interview shows clearly how incredibly naive and unprepared Trump was and remains. Even more horrifying is that given his track record their is nothing to remotely suggest that he will learn and grow in to the job.


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"Most people would die sooner than think; in fact, they do." - Bertrand Russell


"Morality is doing what is right, regardless of what you are told. Religion is doing what you are told, regardless of what is right.


If I do not answer you .... nothing personal, I just have you on ignore.

Edited: 04/28/2017 at 11:48 AM by LBLarry

Show us.

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"Trump would win again." No. Commie lovers would still vote for him of course...

I bet the biggest adjustment/headache for him is the accountability part of the job. Being the Don, he's never really had to deal with that in his private world. It's awkwardly entertaining watching his on the job training, but so far he's done pretty much what I expected him to do; build his base them migrate back towards the middle.

I'm very disappointed in Jeff Sessions appointment. That was a pretty big bone to throw the social conservatives.

If I had it to do over again, I'd still vote for Johnson.

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Specializing in sarcasm and condescending rhetoric since 1971.

The most recent poll says he would. And, if you remember, the polls before the election had him losing. Thus, he might very well win by a bigger margin this time around. People aren't real amused with the prog reaction to Trump's stomping of Clinton. I am guessing that would lead to more Trump voters.

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I :heart; Q

The polls just before the election had Clinton winning the vote by about the 3 million votes she won it by. The state polls were muddy and inadequate, thus the EC upset.

But this is the most recent poll

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"The truth is incontrovertible.
malice may attack it,
ignorance may deride it,
but in the end,
there it is." -Sir Winston Churchill

nothing, just another diversion.

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"The truth is incontrovertible.
malice may attack it,
ignorance may deride it,
but in the end,
there it is." -Sir Winston Churchill

People making up shit about what other people say and think is a problem too.

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"The truth is incontrovertible.
malice may attack it,
ignorance may deride it,
but in the end,
there it is." -Sir Winston Churchill

Thanks Pagerow!

I would say hypocritical people that support ideas that are drastically in opposition to everything they claim to believe in is a problem as well.

There is a forum search. Use it and follow the conversation being had.

It is right there for you to see.

I did. I hate to beat this to death miker, but I'm just not seeing anything like your statement from him. more the opposite.

a simple search for "sharia" and RustyTruck, all I found where these far different quotes on some really dumb threads:

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"We have to live in peace with Muslims. I think we must make it crystal clear that we welcome the Islamic faith in the USA alongside all others, but we are a secular nation and will absolutely not tolerate religious law of any kind; Islam, Christian, Buddhist, whatever.

American women are free to do anything they want, the rights of LBGT citizens will not be infringed, we'll draw pictures of anyone we damn well please and especially if we say we can't. Enjoy the show, try the veal, and tip your server."

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You don't preserve America by eroding liberty. What would you guys do with this nut job?

I say let him speak his mind because this is America. There's no Sharia law coming anywhere in the United States. It's a right wing red herring to keep you guys riled up.
Seems to be working just fine. Turn off Glen Beck and think for yourself.

Maybe you have better search skills?




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"The truth is incontrovertible.
malice may attack it,
ignorance may deride it,
but in the end,
there it is." -Sir Winston Churchill

and mikeR wonders why others confuse him for mikeof1000annoyingusernames

Not really.

You would have to be an absolute moron to confuse me with him considering our difference in politics and writing style. Well either a moron, or just plain fucking lazy.

Speaking of lazy. That is the proper description of your weak trolling game. #sadface

Again, follow the conversations going and the back and forth. Sorry you don't see it, but there was more than just me that called him out on it.

Sharia law can be interpreted numerous ways, but when you combine Sharia with Islam fundamentalism, how can you have any viewpoint other than it is absolutely not compatible with the Western world ...or most of the rest of the world for that matter.

If you support the right for people to do this, regardless of where it occurs, then you are supporting violating human rights, women's rights, gay right's, etc. It really isn't that hard of a concept to understand.

Sorry that your fringe liberal buddy is a crackpot.

Wow, I nearly missed this thread and it seems my record on Islam has been besmirched.

I have said before and I'll say again, no religious law has any place in American civil society. Mike can't separate Islam as a religion that people have every right to follow in the USA should they choose to, from his boogie man of radical imposition of religious law.

I guess Mike still has a hard on for Sharia, but I don't follow him anymore. He has nothing to offer.

I don't see how he worked sharia into a thread about the president being an imbecile.


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“It is the heart of US policy to use fascism to preserve capitalism while claiming to be saving democracy from communism “ - Michael Parenti

Actually I do differentiate between the two and have each and every time I have discussed the topic. My post history show that. Hell, there is proof to that in this topic.

You and I agree about religious law on our society. That was never our difference on the subject. The difference came when you showed support for fundamental Islam. When it was pointed out to you that fundamental Islam violates human rights, womens rights, etc. you stuck to your guns and your statements.

Sorry, I cannot nor will I ever agree with you on that. I absolutely believe that all people should be treated equally regardless of race, religion, gender, or orientation.

Miker, you hijacked this thread stating that rusty promotes sharia law or says that it can "mix" with western culture.
WG calls it out as BS and now you can't come up with any supporting evidence.

What exactly are you arguing?

Nice try. Well except for the fact that it wasn't.

speak of the other mike, and look who appears!

 

roflmaocopter

Got it.
Libtards love sharia law.

Nope. That was never said by me at least. I just pointed out the one that is ok with fundamental Islam. The sensible liberal understands that liberal ideology and fundamental islam ideology does not mix.

A true Libertarian wouldn't be concerned with someone's personal religious beliefs.

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I was right.

That was a stupid thing to write in the context of fundamental Islam.

Not really.

Fundies can exist within a secular country. We've got plenty here.

Churches where the women aren't allowed to wear pants and can't be clergy and aren't allowed to work.

There are different levels of fundy in Christianity and Islam or just about any other religion. Sharia doesn't mean stonings and honour killing across sects. Some Sharia governs how they lend money and enter into contracts among themselves or involves diet as with the Seventh Day Advenists and Orthodox Jews.

Libertarianism says you can enter into just about any voluntary agreement that you want and that the government should butt out of such matters. Classic western liberalism doesn't disagree.

 

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No it wasn't.
In America fundamentalist Islamic people are also free to have whatever personal religious beliefs they want, as long as they don't force them on anyone else.

I don't see why you can't just accept this unambiguous statement as what he, you, I and pretty much everybody here gets:

"We have to live in peace with Muslims. I think we must make it crystal clear that we welcome the Islamic faith in the USA alongside all others, but we are a secular nation and will absolutely not tolerate religious law of any kind; Islam, Christian, Buddhist, whatever."

If he or anyone for that matter (well except maybe some of the Christianists), explicitly contradicted that somewhere, then I can't find it.


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"The truth is incontrovertible.
malice may attack it,
ignorance may deride it,
but in the end,
there it is." -Sir Winston Churchill

Yes it was. See my response to him as to why it is.

@Cole - You have the right to believe anything you want to believe in this country up to the point where your belief would infringe upon the rights of others. If you believe in Islam, so be it as long as your aren't enforcing that belief upon others in this country or infringing upon the rights of anyone else. This includes things like making your wife wear a hijab/Burqa/whatever against her will.

I am not tolerant of any belief whatsoever that infringes upon the basic human rights of another person, be it in this country or any other. That is absolutely libertarian and also should be a liberal belief unless you are a super crackpot fringe type that can't see their own hypocrisy.

Edited: 05/02/2017 at 07:43 AM by miker

Women who believe Sharia aren't forced to wear anything, they do it on their own. Just like strict Southern Baptists and certain Pentecostal women don't walk side by side with their husbands; their place is in the back. Do I agree with it? No, all religion is somewhat silly to me, but do they have the right to do as they please as long as it doesn't interfere with others? Of course.

Chopola, feel free to put a Trump sticker on your car. All I do when I see them is wonder what in the fck you were thinking when you gave him the most powerful job in the world.



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I was right.

Note that saying I am not tolerant of a belief that infringes upon the basic human rights of another person is not the same thing as saying we should always impose our wills on other countries because they allow it.

 

Yep!

Do you have anything else in your game other than one liners and boring misquote edits? That was clever 15 years ago, not so much any more.

I'm not the type to announce my political views, but the way the left keeps running their mouths I have an impulse to make a statement, like put a sticker on my car or something. But then I come to my senses, and realize I would be inviting a progressive to key my car, so I do nothing of this sort of thing. This is the lefts problem, they will never know how out of touch they are, because they cant have civilized debate on differing views. If the economy improves Trump will win 4 more years in a landslide and the left will not see it coming.

edit sorry didn't read the thread to the end before posting, came late to this one, carry on about that peaceful religion the left is so in love with.

Translation: The left sucks; they are dumb; they won't understand why they are losing.

And they can't have a civilized debate?

Uh...huh huh.

You really addressed points of the discussion and avoided the use of strawmen and stereotyping.

Very civilized and high minded.

 

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Trump's finding it easy to start conflicts in all corners of the globe. That's their goal. They want conflict to rally the flag humpers.

Keep your eyes on the flag and off of my bottom line. That and my kids bottom lines. Conflict of interest? That's just sore loser talk, I won and I am so tired of winning I am going golfing again.

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"One of the reasons why propaganda tries to get you to hate government is because it's the one existing institution in which people can participate to some extent and constrain tyrannical unaccountable power." Noam Chomsky.

chop

Then why are you on this here 2L surf forum NSR? Worried about progs keying your car? Hey progs please don't key this repugs car. thanks

Back to the kiddie pool.

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So if you are a surfer I wish you the prosperity that allows you more time to pursue the salt water dream, and the true happiness that comes from warm water, clean waves and the companionship of your fellow surfers. If you are an internet troll just spewing bs then f off.

So you agree with me. As long as the line isn't crossed where the beliefs of one person infringed upon the right of another, then all is good. Unfortunately, outside of this country it is not the case.

The point is what is inside this country.

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"One of the reasons why propaganda tries to get you to hate government is because it's the one existing institution in which people can participate to some extent and constrain tyrannical unaccountable power." Noam Chomsky.

Sure, but you can't make a claim to support human rights, women rights, etc when you support an ideology mutually exclusive to it. Just because we dont let that shit fly here because of our laws isn't a valid excuse. There is a big difference between supporting the right of someone to believe what they want and supporting or even respecting the actual belief itself.

 

sure you can. happens every day. get over yourself.

Irrelevant comment from an irrelevant troll account.

Yes, hypocrisy happens every single day. Congrats on finally catching on to what I was pointing out. Took you long enough.