http://www.nationalreview.com/article/446689/

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I think the point you're trying to make is that it's non-existent.

5 Myths About Canadian Health Care
The truth may surprise you about international health care

http://www.aarp.org/politics-s...anada-health-care.html

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“It is the heart of US policy to use fascism to preserve capitalism while claiming to be saving democracy from communism “ - Michael Parenti

My friend is having a kidney transplant up there this fall.

His team of specialists, testing, donor testing etc. have been fantastic.

There can be a wait for non-life threatening surgery due to life threatening ones getting priority.

His surgery will cost nothing, no deductibles, co-pays, insurance companies or bills that are harder to interpret than the dead sea scrolls.

Of course, everything is taxed to pay for it.

Tpap clings to his talking point.

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"One of the reasons why propaganda tries to get you to hate government is because it's the one existing institution in which people can participate to some extent and constrain tyrannical unaccountable power." Noam Chomsky.

It really depends on what you are having done. Some Canadians come here for certain procedures.

I've had $30,000 out of pocket health expenses in four years, I sure wouldn't mind a Canadian equivalent plan.

P.S. I have insurance through work and it doesn't have a damn thing to do with Obamacare.

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I have $24,000 in health insurance payments in 1 year. No office visits.

A gold family plan should be around $12K a year, what gives?

I forgot to add the $300 a month I pay in dues, so I guess my total is really $44,400 for four years.



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In other words, you want the rest of us to pay your bills. Tell you what, I would like a Ferrari. I'll pay $10,000 and you progs send me a check for the rest.

Look, I am genuinely sorry that you had to pay so much and that you had to experience the health problems that led to that. But having the gov't step in isn't going to make it better. All historical evidence tells us it would get worse (Clown Care anyone?). Even if you would not have had to pay all of that under a gov't run system, someone would have had to fork over the bucks (and more, when you factor in the pay for the useless federal bureaucrats to sit on their asses). Why do you think it is right that your neighbor should have to chip in for whenever you have a big expense. According to you progs, housing is a basic right. Should we all be forced to pay for you to replace your roof?

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BULLSHIT!

LIAR!

Every healthcare offered in this country has to meet Obama's mandatory MINIMUM coverage!

Period!

End of story!

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The REAL truth is....both of the forum idiots are OWNED.
-BOTH of them have no clue who their owner is.
-They are both card carrying narcissists.
^These are PROVED facts.

Don't diss it till you've lived it. It's much better than here in so many ways.

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My 150,000 surgery was about 3,000 out of pocket a few years ago. Not sure what it would be post ACA or if it would have changed at all

Yeah mine is around 12k. Little more

It really blows my mind that Americans have so many misunderstandings about global healthcare.

We pay more per capita, and statistically get less, than all countries at our level of development.

I can tell you that the standard of care I've seen first hand in Germany, Italy, New Zealand, and UAE is equal to or better than most institutions in the USA.
It's foolish of us not to study them and adopt best practices.

Something as fundamental as the healthcare of American citizens and our guests is not something to left to a capitalist profit market.

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“It is the heart of US policy to use fascism to preserve capitalism while claiming to be saving democracy from communism “ - Michael Parenti

Historical evidence world wide shows government controlled health care is superior to the US in everyway.

ACA made alot of progress, hence the uproar with the Republican plan to do away with it, but it was only meant to be a start. Unfortunately, the Republicans couldn't see the forest for the trees and work with it.

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Guess it depends on what you want out of health care. As it is, I pay about $6000/yr in premium with a $5,000 deductible (by my choice I got an HSA plan). So, if I had to eat up the deductible  I would spend an almost identical amount to what the average Canadian pay in taxes for their health care (although I would pay more that the average since I make more than the average). Here, I can get an appointment tomorrow if I needed to with the doctor of my choice. In Canada, I would have to wait for months in some cases and would probably draw a more harried, less qualified doctor. I'd say our system is better.

Now, sure, if your broke and pay no taxes, it is great to have other people pay for your way in life. But, if that is your choice, you skate by only by the whim of those who pay. We might decide to stop doing that. Or we might run out of other people's money (see Venezuela or any other socialist country), which will inevitably happen. Then you freeloaders are screwed. Better to be the ant than the grasshopper.

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How many millions (if not billions) of dollars do the insurance companies skim off the top for expenses and profit that could be used for actual healthcare services?

ACA was a private insurance industry protection plan. It was an experiment of using public subsidies to fund private health insurance essentially.

It's time we quite F-ing around and open Medicare for all funded by a mix of sin, employment, and income taxes. I'd tax the shit out of alcohol, tobacco, and sugar/salt rich processed foods.



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“It is the heart of US policy to use fascism to preserve capitalism while claiming to be saving democracy from communism “ - Michael Parenti

Your wrong about wait times for an appointment. And you have total choice in selection of doctors. You receive the care you need in a timely way. How else could they have better health care stats like longevity and infant mortality than here?

And you are also wrong about taxes vs. insurance costs. You pay $6,000 for insurance. I can tell you we were making 6 figures in combined income and paying around $2,000 in income taxes. It's more in taxes there but not by enough to cover the cost you pay in health insurance alone- then add in if you have a serious operation costs. And we were a family not a single person so consider our insurance would have been $10-12K here.

It isn't a question of paying other people's way. It is a government regulated medical system that avoids private insurance- a middle man- and controls the purchase of medical equipment by hospitals so that redundency doesn't add to medical costs.

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I can see why this system would appeal to you. Your sole measure of the entire system is how well it serves your personal interest.
I won't bother suggesting you be ashamed of yourself because you're open about it to the extent that I suspect you lack the empathy or insight required to feel shame.
For sake of this thread I won't judge you for it.

On the other hand, there are those of us who feel that the measure of a human society is how it treats it's most vulnerable.
Some us cannot be satisfied with a system that leaves the working poor without access to basic healthcare.
We will continue to fight for a just solution for all to this problem, and whether we are successful or not, at least we are true to our values.



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“It is the heart of US policy to use fascism to preserve capitalism while claiming to be saving democracy from communism “ - Michael Parenti

 

Sure. You would be lying if you said differently, but that is SOP for progs. But my philosophy also helps those at the bottom of the ladder. We tried your way, giving free stuff to the poor. Their lot hasn't improved one iota. See, I am capable of looking at results and, if necessary, changing my approach if the results aren't there. You guys are the opposite. When you see failure, you want to keep doing the same thing.

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So the millions who have health insurance and access to care now that didn't have it before ACA has not had their lot improved? You see results in strange ways.

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Doubt there has been any signifigant improvement in their lots. Can't be that great if tens of millions took the fine over signing up. Some people benefited, sure. But on average I doubt it. But, so what? It is going to collapse anyway and they are going to lose whatever it does offer. It was a crap law and everyone but the brainwashed know it.

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I'd say it's pretty resilient to survive 8 years with half the political establishment trying to kill it and convince people that it's better for them to go without insurance than submit to the tyranny of gummit subsidized health insurance.

If tens of millions were that dumb, I guess given current circumstances in the USA I couldn't argue.

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“It is the heart of US policy to use fascism to preserve capitalism while claiming to be saving democracy from communism “ - Michael Parenti

Daner, you made me curious. Look what I found -

http://thefederalist.com/2017/04/20/obamacare-may-increase-doctor-visits-isnt-making-anyone-healthier/

Turns out I was right (as usual). Seems like Clown Care isn't really helping anyone, except for, of course, federal bureaucrats who get paid for screwing the American people.

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The Federalist is fake news bullshit, try again.

Trumpablo, do you view $9,000 for a two hour emergency room visit without seeing a doctor as a positive? $4,000 for a PA to prescribe steroids and an antibiotic? I pay my way, but the costs are absolute BS.

Come on Einstein, clue us all in to why limited care cost an absolute premium?

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