- - Obama Commutes Sentence



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Who is Keyser Soze?

Now we just need to let Snowden come back.

Everyone has their opinion on him, but if you ask me the guy has got cannon balls.

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Pro Puppy-Killer Party 2024

Has snowden been convicted yet? He probably isn't eligible for a pardon until convicted. But, I haven't followed the story any. Isn't he still in russia?

I think the main deal is that the military jail doesn't have any idea how to cope with her gender identity.

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"The truth is incontrovertible.
malice may attack it,
ignorance may deride it,
but in the end,
there it is." -Sir Winston Churchill

Trump's new guy wouldn't mind if Snowden gets the needle.

https://theintercept.com/2016/11/18/obama-refuses-to-pardon-edward-snowden-trumps-new-cia-pick-wants-him-dead/

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I was right.

And yet, I'm supposed to be concerned about the Russians hacking some private email accounts.

Mr. President, you are a miserable piece of shit.

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Dora Hates You

violent drug felons. their violence to women, innocent children shot down. infecting the susceptible and naive fools think that lifestyle is hip or cool?
commutations? i have many friends who were murdered, or their family members were murdered. as
ive said often: if it was up to me, it would be summary executions, on the spot. does that make me a prog liberal?
but the cops are taking care of that for me, arent they? ....except: they shoot innocent or small time offenders in the back. god forbid they actually had the balls to actually take on the heavies, the true perpetrators of this nitemare.
yah but yah but: this coup d etat rigged election prez harbors, shelters, aides and abets the most violent putin sponsored paramilitary organized crime group in amerika at his properties in miami and palm beach


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It's a democratic hoax

Are these cats traitors, or whissleblowers? I mean, really. Whatcha all think?

No, that starts next week.


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"The truth is incontrovertible.
malice may attack it,
ignorance may deride it,
but in the end,
there it is." -Sir Winston Churchill

"WASHINGTON - President Obama today announced 209 grants of commutation, bringing the total number in his eight years in office to 1,385. The recipients include American Civil Liberties Union client Chelsea Manning. Of the 209 commutations, 109 were granted to people serving life without parole.

Robert Booker had no criminal history when he was sentenced to life without parole for a nonviolent drug offense. The ACLU featured Booker in "A Living Death: Life Without Parole for Nonviolent Offenses."

"I was sentenced to death, not life, if you ask me," Booker said in his 2013 interview for the report. "You're just waiting until that day you die." Booker has been in federal prison since 1995. His four children have grown up without him, and he has never met his grandchildren.

"Today President Obama gave hope to 209 prisoners serving sentences that are far too long for their offenses," said Jennifer Turner, author of "A Living Death" and principal human rights researcher for the ACLU. "The president has made it possible for them to rebuild lives that have been devastated by the failed war on drugs."

ACLU

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"The truth is incontrovertible.
malice may attack it,
ignorance may deride it,
but in the end,
there it is." -Sir Winston Churchill

I think Manning probably meant well, but isnt all that mentally stable to begin with. Perhaps she was negatively influenced by Assange, which wouldnt be the first time that was thought to have happened. He is turning out to be quite the douche.

At this point, the way they were keeping Manning was getting to be a form of torture. Solitary confinement for the rest of your life? That will push a person over the edge, as evidenced by her suicide attempts.

Obama is obviously aware of this, as he knows this will be unpopular- but he feels its what he must do.

or perhaps it had more to do with this:

"On Twitter last week, Assange's anti-secrecy site WikiLeaks posted, "If Obama grants Manning clemency Assange will agree to US extradition despite clear unconstitutionality of DoJ case."

Snowden, on the other hand is very intelligent, knew exactly what he was doing and did it for some admirable reasons (if you believe what he says)

It took balls of steel- something I doubt I would be able to man up and do.. I give him credit for that, and truthfully, the light needed to be put on the NSA

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Maybe manning and obama can hook up afterwards

"Let me get this straight. Chelsea Manning saw a clip of the US soldiers mockingly murdering people and engaging in a clear violation of the Geneva convention by killing rescuers after the atrocious attacks, among other war crimes committed by the military. As it would be an obligation to anyone with a sense of justice and humanity, she went ahead and turned the materials to WikiLeaks so that the facts become a part of a healthy democratic discourse.

She has done an honorable work as a public servant as well as an exemplary human being.

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Ummmm, ionn,

AK's? RPG? Sorry MF'r but you is dead. Plain, Simple. No My Little Pony stories needed.

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Dora Hates You

Except those were journalists carrying cameras, accompanied by unarmed civilians, then they lit up a van that came to rescue the injured, with two children inside.

3rd, War is hell. People die, right or wrong. Got it?

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Dora Hates You

I would say that's good reason to not go to war unless we 1) reinstate the draft 2) raise taxes.

With no concern about Russia harboring Snowden, we might as well turn Manning loose.

All of these guys probably deserve to hang under traditional rules, but whether espionage is punished seems to depend on which party it benefits.

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"Hey, where's Cricket?" - Kristi Noem's daughter.

Do ya think that Barry would give Bradley a reach around?

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Dora Hates You

If I understand correctly, the Manning person just released footage of our soldiers killing civilians, which seems more like an act of journalism than espionage. Sure, he was distinctly told not to do so, but he's done his time. On the other hand, the Snowden guy intentionally distributed what he knew about our intel gathering methodology and capabilities, our partners, etc etc, making terrorists, home-grown and abroad, better able to circumvent detection. I don't think they're similar enough cases for comparison.

Why did Snowden go to China and Russia?

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Kinda like robbing a 7 11 and a bank both are wrong; one has more impact

Maybe something to do with extradition policies?




A guy on CNN last night said Manning release 750,000 files; not pages, but 750,000 full documents.

Wikipedia mentions that Manning was charged with 22 counts, and has a breakdown of what was released and how,
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chelsea_Manning

Snowden looks like Thomas Jefferson compared to the Traitorous Russian shill Twitler.

This looks like typical hue and cry over very little to me.

I would say Trump has an inability to prioritize as well. Alec Baldwin? Issue of national importance it seems.

The complaints about liberals being too emotional always struck me as misguided. We have the lion's share of the scientists and mathematicians.

IT is a traitor and deserves the true penalty of a Traitor who's actions had servicemen and allies killed---F--in Libtard idiots!

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Spankit you going to be upset when Putin's pal Snowden gets a pardon from the Orange One?

I believe he is a traitor of the first degree

Those who didn't serve are always the biggest macho posers in my experience.

Ted Nugent. Maybe some on here?

Most military personnel I know are critical of the pardon, Military.com reported over 800 negative comments on their article.

Some site the fact 22 vets try or do commit suicide everyday as a rebuttal to Obama using her attempts as sign of enough punishment.

Could he be throwing a bone to the LGBT community with this one?

If he was not a she would it still be in the news, methinks no.

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She did understand the consequences of her actions. From the Wikipedia link above...

Greensnot, what makes you thing Donald will pardon snowden?

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Romans 8;18-32 John 3;16-18

Exactly why we should be more careful before allowing our government to invent justifications for war and imperialism.

It also serves to educate why so many vets return with ptsd, and/or defect and start shooting up random people here at home. It is hell, especially when the killing is unjustified in the minds of the soldiers sent to pull the trigger.

"Senior officials told CNN that Obama decided to act because Manning had expressed remorse and responsibility for her actions, and she had already served six years of a long sentence.

Obama may also have been motivated by humanitarian considerations, given that Manning is a transgender woman facing decades in an all-male prison and has attempted suicide several times.
He may also have reasoned that with President-elect Donald Trump about to take office, the chances of Manning winning release for years to come were slim.


The President also came under intense pressure from LGBT groups that have been stalwart supporters throughout his political career to show eleventh hour compassion towards Manning.

A source with knowledge of the White House's thinking told CNN's Gloria Borger that Obama's decision took into account the fact that Manning -- unlike fugitive leaker Edward Snowden -- had pleaded guilty in a court of law to her offenses."

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"The truth is incontrovertible.
malice may attack it,
ignorance may deride it,
but in the end,
there it is." -Sir Winston Churchill

Edited: 01/18/2017 at 07:40 AM by WG

Just as her gender change influenced Obama's decision, it suspect it would influence traditionalists in the opposite direction.

It was like all the lessons of vietnam were lost, as the US public was cheering on another invasion of Iraq, as if they were watching the super bowl.

I think he is a traitor and his actions put lots of honest service men and women in danger. Even if he did not agree with what was going on that was not the correct way to address it IMO

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SHE has admitted such, and she expressed remorse, she served 6 years.

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"The truth is incontrovertible.
malice may attack it,
ignorance may deride it,
but in the end,
there it is." -Sir Winston Churchill

Not true she was a he for some of those years,

Cranky proves STBird's point.

Righties seem obsessed with Manning's sexuality. Curious even.

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"Hey, where's Cricket?" - Kristi Noem's daughter.

If someone were talking about her 6 years ago, it would have been correct to use that pronoun.
Now it's just incorrect and stupid.

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"The truth is incontrovertible.
malice may attack it,
ignorance may deride it,
but in the end,
there it is." -Sir Winston Churchill

how is it incorrect and stupid? wasn't she a he in jail? she didn't serve her time as a she did she?

It makes him feel more confident in his own manhood.

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"Hey, where's Cricket?" - Kristi Noem's daughter.

...or masks homosexual tendencies.



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I was right.

So, you repugs are all against Manning. But you guys were willing to lick Julian Assange's boots a few weeks ago.

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Impeach Trump

Manning and Snowden are American citizens, Assange is not.

Manning and Snowden were the thieves, and the source of the leaks; Assange was only a conduit for Manning's and Putin's.

Shouldn't you be at least as pissed at Manning for stealing and disseminating classified information as you are at Russia and Assange for stealing and revealing DNC foibles?

As far as the transgender aspects are concerned, it seems the government could have found an appropriate federal prison facility.

As noted in the earlier post citing Wikipedia, Manning said she would rather be executed or spend life in prison than have her male pictures posted on the internet. That could have been arranged too.


Edited: 01/19/2017 at 10:34 AM by RegularJoe

There was some discussion of that 2 years ago, not sure why it didn't happen. But that it didn't, made the 6 years she did serve for her crime a worse punishment. I think the President did the right thing offering her clemency.

http://abcnews.go.com/Health/H...ison/story?id=23713399

edit-
Reading that though again it seems that her attorney opposed that move, perhaps hoping for something like this instead.

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"The truth is incontrovertible.
malice may attack it,
ignorance may deride it,
but in the end,
there it is." -Sir Winston Churchill

Edited: 01/19/2017 at 10:54 AM by WG

I'll agree it was probably hellish by way of the army not following standard civilian psychological treatment guidelines. As your ABC link pointed out, "In federal prisons, guidelines for housing of transgender inmates in sex-segregated facilities are regulated by the Prison Rape Elimination Law." I guess that law doesn't apply to the military.



Still having some trouble with that. Obama may have had some forward-looking concern about Trump's handling of Manning in the future, but I think he had executive options that could have alleviated most of those concerns.


Edited: 01/19/2017 at 02:09 PM by RegularJoe

If he was not a she - -

- - would the sentence have even been commuted or pardoned ???

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Who is Keyser Soze?

I doubt it, I think it drew far more attention, also why did the army pay for the surgery!?

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Probably not.

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"The truth is incontrovertible.
malice may attack it,
ignorance may deride it,
but in the end,
there it is." -Sir Winston Churchill

Isn't the intelligence community alleging that Russia also has compromising info on Trump and the RNC, chose to burn Hillary first so they can blackmail Trump later, with the end goal being complete delegitimization of US gov and a divided nation, or for access to favored treatment?

If true, that's a little more serious than just hacking the DNC.

But who knows if it is true, and if it is true it will be widely disregarded, because the disinformation campaigning, both foreign and domestic has severely undermined confidence in the media and the government.

They have not, although there was a report back in Sept that they might...

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"The truth is incontrovertible.
malice may attack it,
ignorance may deride it,
but in the end,
there it is." -Sir Winston Churchill