Highly recommend watching Leah Remini's series on Scientology. Link above is the first episode which airs on A&E. Apparently this is an 8-part series. First episode was very good, and truly exposes the underpinnings of this "organization" (cough cough), I mean "business", and the ruthless ass-licking shit fucks that run it. It is so damn good of a series because Leah was raised as a Scientologist, and she has all the inside details. I mean, we've always known they were a bunch of whack jobs that can only be discribed as a cult, but, getting an inside look is really eye opening. I don't see how ANY celebrity can support that "business" (other than pure brainwashing of course). Note that I personally see most religions as similar to this, but this is just so extreme that it really is nothing more than a cult run by truly evil men. I plan on rewatching the first episode (it was that good), and the rest of the series. It's emotionally moving to say the least, and you really feel empathy for those held hostage by these fuckers.

Edited: 12/03/2016 at 06:56 AM by TunnelVision

And just putting it out that that Christians might want to take note that these Scientologists do not realize that they've been brainwashed their entire lives (cough cough). As in, they're not the only group with some major mind control at work.

Matthew 7:5

“Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.”

 

 

 

That is exactly what we have been saying for years about you brainwashed liberals...

Quit blindly following the liberal mantra...

You have been indoctrinated by TV, your schools and the news media your whole lives...

Wake up like the 1/2 of America that just broke out of the cult and just denied the cults chosen leader in favor of anybodyelse.

You are indoctrinated into a truly evil cult that for one thing murders children in the womb and calls it womens health care... and you swallow that with no second thought, you defend that with your whole soul and core of your self identity...

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Actually from what I've seen....no he doesn't.

He knows exactly what a liberal is...this forum is full of the POS's

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My wife bought Remini's book while we were on vacation, and read me some of the interesting tidbits. Weird stuff.

If you can't discern how Scientology differs from Christianity, you truly have TunnelVision.

Yes I have to see this, been busy. Check out My Scientology Movie also, Louis Theorux's documentary...good stuff.

Which one?

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I asked "which one?" as a rhetorical device with the point being that there is no uniform "Christianity". You've got everything out there from snake handlers to WASPs and Mormons.

I was raised Southern Baptist. I went to Episcopal, Lutheran, and Catholic schools. I participated in Church of Christ and Freewill Baptist youth groups as a teenager.

The difference between the Southern Baptist and Episcopals was mostly cultural. The Southern Baptists were all conservative Democrats. They liked somewhat socialist economic government policy and heavy handed social conservative policy. They had no problem using the government to enforce religious standards. These people are all Republicans now. The Episopals were the classic urban/suburban Republicans that were stodgy, propper, well educated, and a little snobby. This is why I was sent to Episcopal school and not Baptist School. The "elitist" Episcopals held academics in high regard and sent kids to the Ivy League. The Baptists sent kids to Bob Jones and Oral Roberts.

The Catholics were all about social justice and being in the world but not of the world. They seemed to run closer to the Gospel message than the others. They seemed to truly belief in free will. We all had to take theology classes for academic credit but no non-Catholics were pushed to participate in actual ritual. The school was run in the Jesuit tradition so it competed with the elite secular private schools in test scores and placement in top universities.

My Freewill Baptist experience led me to take them to be a cult. They were very literal in Old Testiment belief. They also took a lot of the Old Testiment regulation to heart, including driving a wedge between believers and unbelievers. They felt that you should sever ties with unbelievers (except when you are trying to convert them) lest those unbelievers lead you astray. That included family. My moment of parting ways with this group was at the age of 15 at a teen revival service. I'll spare the detail but the mental manipulation techniques that they used to push conversion and committment were disturbing. When I didn't fall on my knees in a blubbering heap like everybody else from the alter call I was singled out by two adult chaperones and flat out brow beat until it was time to go home. I decided that night that they had no basis in reality if they had to use such techniques to win converts.

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I agree totally.

Some are way worse due to a spiritual pride which I believe is not looked upon favorably by God.

 

That social justice is BS at least were im from, Roman Catholic from NJ. But your 2nd and 3rd sentences are spot on

F it all...I don't know what to believe anymore.

And yeah, Baptists are loony with their beliefs. I have an uncle who married into the family who was/is a Baptist.

To add some more insight to the topic, what other religion blatantly has the whole name of their religion posted? Ala SCIENTOLOGY. Any "church" or place you see they have their name posted, just seems odd to me. Its like im wearing a jacket that says FUBU or some shit lol.

Oh and im in the middle of the 1st Remini episode...good stuff, thanks for the reminder OP

Yeah, they're big into spreading the "message". A lot of suckers out there. Have you ever seen videos of Leah Remini when she was actually pushing Scientology. Cant blame her though. Thats what was fed to her when she was raised. I don't think she fully got to understand the BS parts of the religion, err cult, until she did these interviews that are part of the series.

Trump voters felt took offense that Hillary gave a speech to Goldmine Sachs.

Trump has nominated Goldmine Sachs to be secretary of the Treasury and they don't bat an eye.

 

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Corey Lewandowski said in an interview yesterday that Trump lied and exagerated in his rally speeches because that's the way Americans live. He said that people talk like that at the dinner table and around the water coller at work; they strongly voice their opinions even though they don't have always have all the facts.

That basically means that Trump is knowingly feeding his supporters comfortable lies so they'll vote for him.

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@RegularJoe, I didn't say that Christianity wasn't different from Scientology. I said they are both forms of MIND CONTROL. If you're going to reply to a topic readwhat you are replying to first please. Christianity is not 1/10th as bad as Scientology, but don't for a minute think that Christians don't treat Agnostics or Atheists differently than their "fellow" Christians. Not for a minute. I've seen it my entire life. If you don't see how Christians band together, shun Atheists, shun Agnostics, shun Jewish people, shun Muslims, shun Buddhists, then YOU have tunnel vision, not me. Did the Catholic church cover up huge amounts of RAPE of LITTLE KIDS because they didnt want bad press. You better believe they did. Is that any different than the coverup of child rape discussed in Episode one of the Scientology series above. NO. IT FUCKING ISN'T, but you will never GET that because you are so brainwashed that you will probably never free yourself mentally and emotionally from the chains that you are bound by.

You demonstrate your own bias and ignorance there. I came to my position in Christianity after much life experience and free thought -- zero mind control involved -- and remain there purely by choice. No required allegiance to any particular church or pastor. No "chains" I haven't chosen or couldn't remove if I wanted to. I have more than enough math, probability, science, engineering, and logic education to carefully weigh what I hear.

You might GET that if you GET over yourself some day.


Scombrid-- which one? You could probably pick the "mean value" Protestant Christian and apply my comment to +/- 2 sigma of that population. I'm not into wingnuts, political or religious.

@RegularJoe, I'm not "into" myself. I'm just against brainwashing and mind control. You may have a need to cling to a religion to find your inner peace. I have nothing against that, but, I have been around Christians my whole life, and I can tell you that most of the "Christians" I have met are not "True Christians". They do not work on bettering themselves. They do not put others ahead of themselves. A small percentage are true christians. The rest just want "salvation", so they don't "spend eternity in hell". Why do you think people get Baptised after all. FEAR. That is why. Religion and FEAR go hand in hand. Scientolgists do it, and so do Christians. Its how they keep people "in". How many Christians are friendly to Jewish people and don't talk behind their backs and/or make Jewish jokes behind their backs. Believing in a religion doesn't make you a good person. Your behavior makes you a good person. I can't tell you the number of times some one has almost run me over while I'm riding my bike on a sidewalk where the Church parking lot entrance passes through. They could give 2 shits about hitting the guy on the bike as long as they get to church on time. Stupid brainwashed dipshits.

somebodyelse, so you are saying Christians are not brainwashed, that free thinking liberals are? You try to associate liberals with abortion. You ARE the fear mongerer, don't you realize. And just because someone isnt a Christian (part of YOUR cult), doesnt make them a liberal in the first place. I know many conservatives that HATE your cult. Do I or any liberal think abortion is a good thing. Of course not, you dipshit MORON. It's just NOT MY RIGHT to tell someone else what to do. You too may be freed from the MIND CONTROL you are currently living in. I didnt do it to you though. Somebodyelse fed you that crap, so don't take out all your hidden anger on me.

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Edited: 12/03/2016 at 08:20 AM by Fish Killer

@Fish Killer, I do not personally support abortion, nor would I ever recommend it to anyone. There, however, is a big difference between LEGALITY and MORALITY. I don't think that cheating on one's spouse is morally good. But should we put cheaters in jail? I do think they abortion topic is a fine line however, as does EVERYONE who discusses it. Liberals, do not "support" abortion. Its just a rights issue. You are the ones who claim you want less government, but only when it comes to clinging to your guns. I do not know about the Hillary Clinton reference. That is something I would need to research to see how you are spinning that, because I'm sure you are putting a spin on that.

@Fish Killer, I watched the Hillary video, and while it is just a clip, I do not agree with what she is saying, nor would most non-Christians either. Don't associate morality with Christianity please. Anybody can be moral, regardless of their specific faith or lack thereof. I know plenty of Christians that are FAR from moral. They just do whatever the fuck they want because "as long as you believe in Christ, you will be saved". I guess that includes raping young kids apparently. Morality, Christianity ... There are areas of the law that are by nature a fine line to walk. Is abortion ever moral? I would say no. For the record, I do not consider myself a "liberal" either. Nor a conservative. Just a free thinker. I don't let my thoughts be controlled by others.

Then why did you vote for her?

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@Fish Killer, is that the only reason you voted for Trump? Was that the "deciding factor" for you? Abortion is not a common thing you know. I voted for her because I could not vote for him, not because she supports a womens right to choose. I would have gladly crossed party lines if you guys would have nominated someone legit as the candidate, such as Rand Paul, John Kasich and a few others.

Trump isn't a murderous slimeball hag!

No matter what you want to attempt at an excuse you voted for someone that intends to MURDER!

I'm not talking about killing as in a government going out and killing it's enemies....I'm talking about personal MURDER where a person kills another person for no other reason than that other person is INCONVIENIENT! Murder is a personal thing NOT a governmental thing. Fact!

Clinton wants to have legal murder!

As for you 'crossing' the lines...all you would have been voting for would be business as usual...all of the other 17 candidates that Trump trashed are/were pure RINO'S!

Trump is an outsider.



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Holy Crap, you really are stupid. Trump is an outsider? GMAFB. Lets discuss murder after Trump's 4 years if he makes it that far. Hillary does not support abortion. She supports a womens right to decide for herself. As in, she herself would not have gotten an abortion if she got pregnant on accident. She just doesnt want to make a moral choice for another woman. Do you think that a woman that gets raped by a family member should be allowed to have an abortion within 10 days of finding out she's pregant. BTW, do you know how bad INCEST is in the Christian community? And if you truly support Trump over all the other candidates, you must truly be off your rocker.

YES...Trump is an outsider! FOOL!

He is NOT a professional politician (as ALL of the rest are)....never has been...never will be!

Clinton DOES support abortion...RIGHT UP TO CONCEPTION! FOOL!

You're dumb as a box of rocks!

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Perfect. You might want to look up the definition of CONCEPTION before you go calling others fools and "dumb as a box of rocks".

@Fish Killer, does wanting to cling to your guns mean that you SUPPORT people that go around and shootup schools, churches, nightclubs, etc with semi-automated miltary weapons? Do you support those people? Then, aren't Christian conservatives supporting mass murder? Do you think Christians had nothing to do with electing Dubyah? And committing mass murder in Iraq? A country that did not attack us. Yes, I know Christian Hillary supported that as well. Of course, muslims are not part of the Christian brotherhood. And because 20 attacked us, we need to go kill miliions of them because they aren't part of the brotherhood that is Christianity. WAKE UP !!! Getting Bin Laden, all of AlQaeda, and even the Taliban (because they provided him everything he needed and protected him) was a MUST. Attacking Iraq which had nothing to do with 911 was not. So, why did we do it. Why was it supported? Because Christians wanted to attack Muslims. THAT IS WHY.

Murder
Murder is the killing of another person without justification or valid excuse, and it is especially the unlawful killing of another person with malice aforethought. This state of mind may, depending upon the jurisdiction, distinguish murder from other forms of unlawful homicide, such as manslaughter.

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-They are both card carrying narcissists.
^These are PROVED facts.

@Fish Killer, @somebodyelse, do you two even support a woman to have rights? Right to vote, right to work, right to divorce their husband? Most Christian conservatives DO NOT. Right to question their husband? They must obey and serve their husbands, err, captors. That's what they are fed to believe, else they will, wait for it, wait for it, they will go to HELL. A very bad place where this devil guys lives and they will BURN for eternity. Hooolllly Shit. How ANYBODY ever fell for that crap, I will never know, but they still do, and I still work to free them from those chains they are bound by.

Wow!

What frickin planet are you from?

"do you two even support a woman to have rights? Right to vote, right to work, right to divorce their husband? Most Christian conservatives DO NOT"

That's a flat out lie!!!

A lie of the highest order!

Where in the hell did you invent that?

I can see that in fact it's YOU who is bound by chains!

Chains of 'stupidity'!

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Well, if you do support these womens rights, you are not a Christian Convervative, and thus I applaud YOU. That mentality is what has existed in the Christian brotherhood for a very long time son

With Christianity, one of the core concepts, err lies, The Resurrection, has been proven to be a lie. Yet, they still spoon feed it to their cult members every day (ever Sunday anyways). Anyone is this religion, err cult, really know what happens after we die? No, of course not. NOBODY DOES.

Wow!

That's another FLAT OUT LIE!

Where is the hell do you get this CRAP?

Out of your ass?

What kind of super crack are you smoking?



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You wouldnt accpet ANY reference as valid, so why should I provide one. Do you still believe in Santa Claus too? How about the Easter Bunny?

That's because ANY reference would be 100% BOGUS....grade 'A' bovine feces!

There is NO 'proof' of what you claim...it's NOT possible....

ANY MORON would know this!



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So, do you believe in the Resurrection? How about the Tooth Fairy? What about Godzilla? Superman? Batman? How about the Devil? You know with horns and all?

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+1 ^^^^^^

@Fish Killer, @somebodyelse, are you the type of guys that think Dinosaur fossils are "man made", lol. You can't seriously think the world was created a few thousand years ago. Christianity is FULL of LIES. You cannot deny that. Some things are plain to see. You can fool some people sometimes . . . I may have been born at night, but it wasnt last night. Christianity is a joke. Nothing more. Wake up from the years and years of brainwashing you have had. A lifetime of it. Free yourself from that crap.

I just read a nice report detailing the hows and whys about why the story of Moses is a myth.

Now, what about the original title of this thread? Who here is under alien mind control?

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I believe in Christ and the resurrection. I don't know anything from dinosaurs, 3,000 years, this or that, whatever.

I don't need to have the answers, just a little faith.

I was raised Catholic, but I question everything. Is Christianity real? Who knows. But I can tell you Scientology is 100% pure bullshit made up by a science fiction writer. Can Christianity be the same? Sure. But after thousands of years of writings I am on the fence folks. I just wish this all could be proven. Peace and stop arguing people! LOL

I understand where you are coming from, and I think Christianity CAN be a good thing for some people, real or not. Its all about faith, and that, no matter what religion or none you choose is something that is common in all of us. Its innate. We all want something to happen when we die. All of us. But, I wouldnt say all Christians act any better than non Christians. If I had to compare, I would say the non-Christians I've met have been nicer people. That doesn't speak well for Christianity. Going to church or following a book isnt the SAME as being a good person. Thats what everyone should strive for regardless of religion. Just being a good person.

I'm also not against Christians in any way. That is unless they like to shove it in people's faces as THE RIGHT WAY / THE ONLY WAY. THOSE particular Christians are kooks.

...the Resurrection has been *proven* to be a lie?

sorry, but I'm calling BS on that one