Federal officials reportedly want a criminal investigation into Hillary Clinton's State Department emails
Business Insider By Bryan Logan
6 hours ago
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Questions about Hillary Clinton's use of potentially classified emails during her time as Secretary of State have led to a new request from federal officials.
Two inspectors general have reportedly asked the Justice Department to open a criminal investigation into the matter.

The New York Times reports that the request stems from an assessment sent in a memo last month that Clinton's private email account had "hundreds of potentially classified emails" in it.

That assessment conflicts with Clinton's earlier statements that there were no such emails in the private account she used as secretary of state during the first term of the Obama administration.

In a separate investigation by the State Department, it was found that "some information in the messages should be retroactively classified," according to The Times.

The newspaper notes that it is unknown whether or not information contained in the emails was marked classified by the State Departent when Clinton sent or received them.

Since it was first revealed in March that Clinton used a private email account to conduct state business, there have been many questions about whether her actions were lawful, and whether classified government information could have compromised.

In an interview with CNN July 7, Clinton declared there was "no law" barring her from exercising "full authority" to choose how she wanted to communicate as secretary of state.

It is not yet clear if or when the Justice Department would open a criminal investigation.

Broader questions about Clinton's private email server have, at times, drawn attention away from the 2016 Democratic frontrunner's presidential campaign, and adding to worries that her use of private email for work-related communication was an attempt to shield the emails from scrutiny under the Freedom of Information Act.
The State Department is currently wading through some 55,000 pages of Clinton's emails as part of its effort to rule out any potential misuse. Three thousand pages of emails were released last month.

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Dora Hates You

ABC News reports that the Inspector Generals of the State Department and a "intelligence community" member have asked the Justice Department to conduct a criminal investigation.

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Dora Hates You

I bet the finding will be "there is no evidence of any wrong doing." Not because there is no evidence of wrong doing, but because she is a powerful democrat.

 "I think we sort of have lost track of the fact this is a government that has to be accountable to the people of our country".....Hillary Clinton.

Oh, the irony.....

It's not a criminal investigation, it was scaled back.

I guess the republicans behind the investigation don't really want to open Pandora's Box.

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Hillary Must Explain Her 2-Month Email Gap
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07/29/2015 06:44 PM ET
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Scandal: Hillary Clinton assured the country in March that she had turned over every single work-related email from her private server. So why are there no emails for two months during a critical time at State?

Here's what Clinton said at that March press conference. "I ... provided all my emails that could possibly be work-related, which totaled roughly 55,000 printed pages, even though I knew that the State Department already had the vast majority of them. We went through a thorough process to identify all of my work-related emails and deliver them to the State Department."

Now it turns out that there are two months during which - if Clinton's statement above is to be believed - she apparently didn't send any emails at all while Secretary of State.

"There are no emails between Clinton and her State Department staff during May and June 2012," reports the Daily Beast - which is hardly a right-wing news outlet - after reviewing 2,000 messages that have so far been made public.

These weren't just any two months, either. They happened to be when violence was erupting in Benghazi and when Clinton's top aide - Huma Abedin - obtained a special exemption that let her work for the State Department and for the Clinton Foundation.

On May 22 of that year, for example, a rocket-propelled grenade hit the International Red Cross's office in Benghazi.

A few weeks later, an IED blew a 12-foot hole in the wall of the U.S. consulate there. Five days after that, an RPG hit a convoy carrying the British ambassador.

During that same email gap, Abedin received her "special government employee" status. The Associated Press has been trying for two years to get records relating to this unusual work situation, only to get stonewalled by the State Department.

You'd think there would have been as much email traffic about these events as there were about Hillary's struggles with her office fax machine.

Rep. Trey Gowdy, R-S.C., who heads the House Benghazi investigation, had already complained about "gaps of months and months and months" in the Clinton emails that had been turned over to his committee.

A particularly suspicious one, he said, is during Clinton's Oct. 18, 2011, trip to Libya, during which she was photographed using her Blackberry.

"We have no emails from that day. In fact we have no emails from that trip," Gowdy said.

Of course it's possible that Clinton avoided sending emails during these trying times. And she could have been playing solitaire on her Blackberry when a reporter snapped that picture on her Libya trip.

And maybe she inadvertently deleted 87,640 minutes worth of emails on her server while she was stretching across her desk to grab her iPad.

Her campaign says not to worry, "more emails are slated to be released by the State Department next week, and we hope that release is as inclusive as possible."

Since Clinton has already been caught in several lies pertaining to her highly suspicious and possibly illegal private email account, saying "trust me" won't do.



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Dora Hates You

She needs to turn the email server over, in its entirety.

If people can hack into the records of all of our government employees, then they can hack into this server.

Let's say she runs for President and wins. Do we seriously want to be in a situation where our president is being blackmailed by China or by some lone wolf out there?

Sounds like this server would already look like a pot of gold or a lottery ticket to any hacker out there already. I would be surprised if someone hasn't already gotten into it.

For that reason alone, I don't think she should be allowed to run for President until that server has been examined.

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"The government who robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul," - George Bernard Shaw

“Don’t underestimate Joe’s ability to f—k things up.” - Barack Obama

“End of quote. Repeat the line.” - wise words from Joe Biden

Edited: 07/30/2015 at 07:10 AM by Sniper

It gets better, and better, , , , , ,

Intelligence officials: Hillary Clinton's private server contained information from 5 US spy agencies
Business Insider By Michael B Kelley and Brett LoGiurato
52 minutes ago

(REUTERS/Brian Snyder)
Classified emails that were stored on the private email server of former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton contained information from five US intelligence agencies, McClatchy reports.

A congressional official with knowledge of the matter told McClatchy that intelligence officials who saw the five classified emails determined that they included information from five US spy agencies.

One classified email - now public and pertaining to the 2012 terrorist attack in Benghazi - reportedly contained information from the National Security Agency, the Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA), and the National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency.

McClatchy added, citing the official, that the "other four classified emails contained information from the Office of the Director of National Intelligence [DNI] and the CIA."

Last week, government inspectors told the Justice Department in a letter that "secret government information may have been compromised in the unsecured system she used at her New York home during her tenure as secretary of state," according to The Associated Press.

The inspectors requested the department to look into the possible mishandling of classified information on the server from Clinton's tenure as secretary of state.

Clinton, Democratic presidential front-runner in the 2016 election, has repeatedly said she broke no laws or rules by forgoing a standard government email account in favor of the private account. She has also said, as recently as last weekend, that she is "confident" she did not send or receive classified information by email.

Clinton spokesman Nick Merrill said in a statement last week that Clinton "followed appropriate practices in dealing with classified materials."

But the inspector general of the intelligence community, in a letter to Congress, said a limited sampling of Clinton's emails in question found at least four that contained classified information and should have been considered secret.

If Clinton had a technical security team to monitor her server for suspicious activity, Clinton could have had a system at least as secure at the State Department. If not, the information would have been vulnerable.

"The layers of security that would have to be employed to make a privately run exchange server as secure as something that is secured by the federal government would be pretty significant," Timothy Ryan, a former FBI supervisory special agent who now manages cyber investigations for Kroll, told The Washington Post in March. "It's not that it can't be done. I just find it improbable."

Clinton has said that the email system was established during Bill Clinton's presidential administration (1993-2001), and her team has stated that "her family's electronic communications was taken seriously from the onset."

No matter the level of security the Clintons employed - which is still largely unknown - the fact that this information was found on her personal server highlights why officials in her position are supposed to use government emails.

"Even if Secretary Clinton or her aides didn't run afoul of any criminal provisions, the fact that classified information was identified within the emails is exactly why use of private emails . . . is not supposed to be allowed," said Bradley Moss, a Washington attorney who specializes in national security matters. "Both she and her team made a serious management mistake that no one should ever repeat."

Broader questions about Clinton's private email server have at times drawn attention away from the Democratic front-runner's presidential campaign. The latest disclosure comes the same day as the release of a poll showing that a majority of voters nationwide do not consider her "honest and trustworthy."

A separate poll released last week showed that she also trailed three strong Republican contenders - former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush of Florida, Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker, and US Sen. Marco Rubio of Florida - in theoretical general-election matchups in the key swing states of Colorado, Iowa, and Virginia.

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Dora Hates You

The new Bengazi/ dead horse for the GOP to beat instead of governing or talking about their record. yawn...

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Ah, religion, bigotry dressed up as morality.

If the idea of a person or foreign country potentially being able to blackmail a prospective President with secret emails that they have hidden makes you yawn, then I don't know what would get your attention.

All I can say for you guys is please make sure she doesn't get the nod.

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"The government who robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul," - George Bernard Shaw

“Don’t underestimate Joe’s ability to f—k things up.” - Barack Obama

“End of quote. Repeat the line.” - wise words from Joe Biden

The way the government has been hacked lately a server at her house might be MORE secure.

Still an appearance of impropriety that she should have anticipated.

Not exactly the body and smoking gun the diggers are looking for.


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“It is the heart of US policy to use fascism to preserve capitalism while claiming to be saving democracy from communism “ - Michael Parenti

This just continues to demonstrate the utter and complete incompetency of the repug and teabag. Buffons cant roast a fucking marshmellow. Look we all know Obama was born in Kenya. Its plain to see but you yahoos could not make it stick.

Any woman who lets her man get a bj from a jewish girl and live to lie about is slime of the highest order. Mrs Clinton has more baggage than a French whore gettin out of Paris during the revolution.

If things were reversed and the big O and Hbomb were repugs or teabags, we would have had them in a private room in Kansas by now.

While I'm at it, can anyone explain what kind of mammal that is on Trump's head?
Did he get spray painted at Econo paint? What is taking Palin so long to get in the race. Sign the petition asking Jon Steward not to retire until after this election.

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So if you are a surfer I wish you the prosperity that allows you more time to pursue the salt water dream, and the true happiness that comes from warm water, clean waves and the companionship of your fellow surfers. If you are an internet troll just spewing bs then f off.

Keeps getting better, , , , tell it to the Judge, , , ,

Judge Sullivan Strikes Again

The State Department has been ordered to obtain answers From Hillary Clinton, Huma Abedin and Cheryl Mills under penalty of perjury

By Sidney Powell | 08/01/15 12:56am

While Hillary Clinton's lawyers are stalling Congress and "negotiating" the terms of her testimony before the Benghazi committee - an option not allowed to ordinary Americans like bankers, executives, or accountants, federal Judge Emmet G. Sullivan has hit "refrigerator rule #6: Enough is enough." Earlier this week, federal Judge Richard Leon lambasted the State Department lawyers for their stonewalling. Now Judge Sullivan has chiseled a line in concrete. He has given the State Department only a week - until August 7 - to get some answers from Hillary Clinton, and her top aides Huma Abedin and Cheryl Mills - under penalty of perjury. Last night on NewsMax TV with Emmy-award winning host Ed Berliner, I noted that Judge Sullivan recently reopened the Freedom of Information Act lawsuit by Judicial Watch to obtain emails from Huma Abedin, the top Clinton aide who is married to infamous and disgraced former Congressman Anthony Wiener. Judge Sullivan reopened the case when he learned that Clinton and her staff used personal email accounts to conduct government business. This is a flagrant violation of the Federal Records Act and jeopardizes national security - prompting rapidly escalating concerns of countless ramifications internationally, nationally, and criminally. Just hours ago, in that very case, Judge Sullivan entered a remarkable order, and he has given the State Department only a week to comply. Now the State Department must produce for the court's docket its correspondence with and between Mrs. Clinton, Ms. Abedin, and Ms. Cheryl Mills regarding the government records in their possession; identify what servers, etc. the State Department has; require Ms. Clinton, Ms. Abedin and Ms. Mills to state under oath whether they have produced all responsive materials; and, have Ms. Abedin and Ms. Mills describe the extent to which they used Ms. Clinton's server for government business.

The order reads: As agreed by the parties at the July 31, 2015 status hearing, the Government shall produce a copy of the letters sent by the State Department to Mrs. Hillary Clinton, Ms. Huma Abedin and Ms. Cheryl Mills regarding the collection of government records in their possession. These communications shall be posted on the docket forthwith. The Government has also agreed to share with Plaintiff's counsel the responses sent by Mrs. Clinton, Ms. Abedin and Ms. Mills. These communications shall also be posted on the docket forthwith. In addition, as related to Judicial Watch's FOIA requests in this case, the Government is HEREBY ORDERED to: (1) identify any and all servers, accounts, hard drives, or other devices currently in the possession or control of the State Department or otherwise that may contain responsive information; (2) request that the above named individuals confirm, under penalty of perjury, that they have produced all responsive information that was or is in their possession as a result of their employment at the State Department. If all such information has not yet been produced, the Government shall request the above named individuals produce the information forthwith; and (3) request that the above named individuals describe, under penalty of perjury, the extent to which Ms. Abedin and Ms. Mills used Mrs. Clinton's email server to conduct official government business. The Government shall inform the Court of the status of its compliance with this Order no later than August 7, 2015, including any response received from Mrs. Clinton, Ms. Abedin and Ms. Mills.

We know from the way Judge Sullivan has chipped away at the IRS and it's lies and obstruction, this is just the start. A hero for his dismissal of the indictment against Senator Ted Stevens and his appointment of a special prosecutor, Judge Sullivan is proving to be more and more like Judge John Sirica who kept asking questions until the Watergate scandal was fully exposed. Judge Sullivan also has the Freedom of Information Act suit by Judicial Watch against the IRS, about which we have often written. It's because of Judge Sullivan that more and more emails have come to light - along with exposing the lies of Internal Revenue Service Commissioner Koskinen and assorted acts of destruction of evidence. Only Wednesday of this week, Judge Sullivan dismantled counsel for the Department of Justice and the IRS for their "absurd and ridiculous" stalling tactics in revealing the emails evidencing the Lois Lerner scandal and raised the specter of holding Commissioner Koskinen in contempt. Thanks to Judge Sullivan, Judge Leon, and other Article III judges like them, the country has a chance of learning the truth. This story will only get more interesting as the fearless Emmet G. Sullivan digs deeper. Mrs. Clinton herself should be hearing that whistle blowin' now. Read more at http://observer.com/2015/08/ju...s-again/#ixzz3hYyGQSjb Follow us: @observer on Twitter | Observer on Facebook Read more at: http://tr.im/Sm32k

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Dora Hates You

Libtards will support the Hitlarybeast no matter what is proven!

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Romans 8;18-32 John 3;16-18

The Bush administration lost several hundred thousand e-mails and there wasn't complaint one from you or our resident Righties.



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The REAL truth is....both of the forum idiots are OWNED.
-BOTH of them have no clue who their owner is.
-They are both card carrying narcissists.
^These are PROVED facts.

I don't really care about this email thing other than pointing out hypocrisy. Hopefully you guys are just as upset over Rick Scott breaking the law. I personally think that emails should be private, but that is me. There are laws both State and Federal that say they can't be.

Rick Scott broke law with private emails
December 9, 2014

TALLAHASSEE, Fla. (AP) - Florida Gov. Rick Scott's disclosure of nearly 200 pages of emails from a private Google account could become key evidence in an ongoing lawsuit that charges that the governor flouted the state's public records law.

The Scott administration released documents late last month that showed Scott, using a private account, exchanged emails with top aides and others on topics including vetoes, the state budget and his speeches. Scott has previously said he used a Google email account to communicate with his family and not for state business.

http://www.floridatoday.com/st...ivate-emails/20130421/

How does she do against the Donald?

You are the hypocrite. If Scotts alleged wrong doing is important to you in the context of a governor in his second and last time, why would it be of no interest to you in the context of someone running for president?

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Still there, and getting better and better, , , , there is certainly a long way to go until a final "thumbs up" or "thumbs down" on it, , , , but, even some "core" Democrats are starting to get real nervous.

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Dora Hates You

None of us are too happy with the e-mail crap. It shows a lack of forethought on several fronts.

Why take on the unnecessary responsibility? If it's hacked, she is to blame, if the government servers are hacked, it's the government's issue.

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I was right.

I also think it shows that there was some shady sh!t going on, that she didn't want on the government/public domain.

She had an extremely secure email account given to her by the U.S. government for a reason. She went around that and paid someone to set up a separate email avenue for a specific reason. She wanted to fly under the radar of the government account. You don't accidentally just buy a server and have someone set up a separate domain, when you have a perfectly good account, unless you have a very specific purpose in mind. Hillary Clinton was one of the highest paid lawyers in the Rose Law Firm. She knows what she was doing and she knows it was wrong. Every time she tells the American people she didn't, she is lying and she is hoping that all of us are just dumb enough to believe her.

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"The government who robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul," - George Bernard Shaw

“Don’t underestimate Joe’s ability to f—k things up.” - Barack Obama

“End of quote. Repeat the line.” - wise words from Joe Biden

I said that this issue might well be fatal for Hillary when the story broke. It doesn't help that she seems to find a way to seem unlikable at every turn.

I'm sticking with Bernie for the time being.

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“It is the heart of US policy to use fascism to preserve capitalism while claiming to be saving democracy from communism “ - Michael Parenti

GW Bush was smart enough to realize that a large portion of the country would believe Bullshit too.

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The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness -
John Kenneth Galbraith

Is it possible that the Clinton's personal server was more secure than the official one?
Seems reasonable to me.

Of course you can question their motivation for that, but is there any evidence that national Security was compromised by this?


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"The truth is incontrovertible.
malice may attack it,
ignorance may deride it,
but in the end,
there it is." -Sir Winston Churchill

So, you are saying that Clinton set up this email server/domain because she was worried that the pentagon/government's security wasn't up to her standards? LOL

She went around the government because she was sending and receiving messages that she didn't want seen. If this wasn't the case, then she wouldn't have gone through the trouble of buying a server, buying the domain, and paying someone to configure it. She also wouldn't have handed over a wiped server and she wouldn't have waited 20 months to do it.

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"The government who robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul," - George Bernard Shaw

“Don’t underestimate Joe’s ability to f—k things up.” - Barack Obama

“End of quote. Repeat the line.” - wise words from Joe Biden

Nothing to see----move along!!

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3197093/Tech-company-maintained-Hillary-s-secret-server-sued-illegally-accessing-databases-creating-chaos-stealing-White-House-phone-numbers.html#ixzz3inopLwqx

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Romans 8;18-32 John 3;16-18

Email Scandal Exposes Hillary's Casual Disregard For National Security
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08/13/2015 06:52 PM ET


Scandal: Thanks to the State Department's release of Hillary Clinton emails, we now know she was more interested in how to permanently delete her emails than in protecting highly classified national security secrets.

ABC News has reported that Clinton asked top aide Cheryl Mills in late 2009 to borrow the book "Send," by David Shipley and Will Schwalbe, which is all about problems people get into with their email and contains a section on "How to Delete Something So It Stays Deleted."

The same day as the ABC revelation, Clinton's communications director, Jennifer Palmieri, dismissed the whole classified-material-on-Hillary's-unsecured-homebrew-server story as a bunch of "nonsense," saying Hillary did nothing wrong and blaming the whole system of classifying material as too "complicated."

Does anything showcase Clinton's warped priorities better than these two news items?

Clinton obviously understood the implications of mishandling classified information on her private email account. In her March press conference, Clinton was asked whether she had been "specifically briefed on the security implications of using your own email server."

Clinton didn't answer that question, but instead asserted she "did not email any classified material to anyone on my email." Once it came to light that she had, Clinton modified her claim to say the emails weren't designated as such when they were "sent and received."

Now we know that assertion, too, is bogus after one of the emails turned out to contain top secret information derived from spy satellites.

"Claims that they 'didn't know' such information was highly classified do not hold water and are irrelevant," explains former NSA counterintelligence officer John Schindler in a devastating article published by the Daily Beast .

Schindler notes that anyone cleared to read such communications "signs reams of paperwork and receives detailed training about how it is to be handled, no exceptions - and what the consequences will be if the rules are not followed."

What's more, if those Top Secret markings had been stripped before the document landed in Clinton's inbox, someone in Hillary's circle would have had to have done so - illegally - after it was created by the Intelligence Community.

When you put this latest revelation in its broader context, it becomes all the more troubling. Remember: Clinton's email server was completely unencrypted for three months after she put it into operation, making it incredibly vulnerable to hackers.

And it wasn't until after she left the State Department that Hillary decided to hand the server over to Platte River Networks to improve security, and then only after pal Sidney Blumenthal's emails had been hacked.

The bottom line is that Clinton was either ignorant of the stunning risk her private server posed to national security, or she and her top staff didn't care enough to take even the most rudimentary steps to protect it.

Either way, it's a damning indictment of a woman who thinks she deserves the title "commander in chief."



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BREAKING: State Dept Tells Judge It's Doing Nothing To Find Hillary Clinton's Emails State 'does not believe that a reasonable search ... requires a search of former Secretary Clinton's server.' By Sidney Powell | 08/14/15 6:30pm

Wednesday afternoon, moving very quickly, Washington D.C. federal judge Emmet G. Sullivan ordered the State Department to explain to him in writing what it is doing to work with the FBI and the Department of Justice to obtain the emails from Hillary Clinton's server, and where any missing emails might be found. As we reported yesterday, the conduct of Mrs. Clinton implicates countless criminal statutes. In its status report just filed, the State Department has told the judge that it is doing absolutely nothing to obtain any emails other than those Mrs. Clinton already provided. Apparently, the State Department hasn't read our prior reports on Judge Emmet G. Sullivan or taken note of how similar claims have not been well-received when made by the IRS. With astonishing disregard for the truth, the Judge's questions, or its responsibilities to Congress or the citizens of the United States, the State Department advised that it "is not currently working with DOJ, the FBI or other agencies" for two reasons. "First, the FOIA does not require an agency to search for and produce records that are not in its possession and control." And, it claims that it is neither in possession nor control of the Clinton's server. Obviously, that is precisely the cause of the entire outrage in the first place. The initial legal violations exist because the State Department did not require, and Mrs. Clinton did not use, the secure State.gov for her official emails. Mrs. Clinton should never have had any official State Department information in her personal account or on her server - most especially any sensitive, classified information or any information "respecting the national defense" such as drone signal intelligence. See 18 USC Section 793. Mrs. Clinton should never have had any official State Department information in her personal account or on her server - most especially any sensitive, classified information or any information "respecting the national defense" such as drone signal intelligence. Judge Emmet G. Sullivan (Photo Credit DOMINIC BRACCO II) Everyone at the State Department who knew she conducted all of her business on a private address and had the unsecured server at her home is part of this problem and violation. Thus, all at the State Department of any ranking during her tenure may very well be implicated in her conspiracy to violate numerous statutes, including 18 USC Sections 793(d), (e), (f), & (g) - each of which carries a possible 10 year term of imprisonment. The second and equally appalling reason the State Department is doing nothing to respond to Judge Sullivan's request is because it is taking Mrs. Clinton's carefully-worded sworn declaration to mean that she actually provided all of the relevant emails, and it has found nothing responsive in what the culprits have already provided. It is content to let the proverbial "fox guard the henhouse" and let Mrs. Clinton dictate what everyone sees. If that is allowed, rest assured there will be no evidence of the Benghazi murders or Huma Abedin's conflict of interest, because those emails were not produced by Mrs. Clinton and are no doubt among those she may have successfully destroyed. No problem. No need to look further. We always let the person being investigated limit the evidence that can be reviewed - right? Futhermore, her declaration does not even say that she actually produced everything. We know that she did not. We already know from the production of emails by her confidant, Sidney Bluementhal, that Mrs. Clinton obviously destroyed or failed to produce all of her government emails. Indeed, Mrs. Clinton has admitted destroying tens of thousands of emails, and then she apparently had her server professionally scrubbed. The State Department claims they have not found any responsive emails - either in her production, or the initial production of Huma Abedin - so they think they're done. The State Department "does not believe that a reasonable search for records responsive to [Judicial Watch's] FOIA request requires a search of former Secretary Clinton's server." Huma Abedin (Photo by Susan Walsh-Pool/Getty Images) Judge Sullivan will likely cause them to think again - as well he should. Neither the very concerned public nor this federal judge should be satisfied with the already complicit State Department's or Mrs. Clinton's or Ms. Abedin or Ms. Mills' determination of what it reasonable. Fortunately under the rule of law, their perspective does not form the legal standard. Moreover, the affidavit of John Hackett informs that there may well be other sources for records even in the State Department, supposedly the subject of some level of search. Mr. Hackett's affidavit also verifies that Huma Abedin, as Mrs. Clinton admitted also, had an account on Clintonemail.com. None of those emails have apparently been produced. Were they also wiped from Mrs. Clinton's server - the very emails that would evidence her paid performances for three Clinton-related entities simultaneously? Apparently so. And, given the fact that Ms. Abedin was working at the same time for Teneo and for the Clinton Foundation, there are two more places where her emails may reside that evidence her conflict of interest during the time she was working for the State Department. At this point, numerous officials in the State Department could very well be implicated in obstruction of justice and assorted conspiracy charges, and the more the State Department thumbs its nose at this Article III judge, the worse it is likely to get. As we said yesterday, it's time for a national outcry for the appointment of a special prosecutor, untethered from anyone in the current administration, to investigate these outrageous breaches of national security and the ever-growing cover-up and protection of Mrs. Clinton that has been mounted by multiple agents and agencies. Read more at http://observer.com/2015/08/br...-emails/#ixzz3iqP33o61 Follow us: @observer on Twitter | Observer on Facebook Read more at: http://tr.im/oTgLJ

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Dora Hates You

Yes. Maybe she used the secret service protected server that was setup for President Clinton at their home because it more securely protected emails that she didn't want other people to see. That is the point of a secure server. To secure secret information.


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"The truth is incontrovertible.
malice may attack it,
ignorance may deride it,
but in the end,
there it is." -Sir Winston Churchill

Edited: 08/14/2015 at 10:08 PM by WG

FBI headquarters is handling the investigation, instead of a "field office" that would normally handle it.

The Washington Post

Hillary's unspinnable problem

By Jennifer Rubin August 16 at 12:00 PM

The latest Fox News poll reports that "a 58 percent majority thinks Clinton 'knowingly lied' when she announced in a March press conference that no emails on her private server contained classified information. A third says there is 'another explanation' for internal government investigators determining secret info was in fact on Clinton's server (33 percent). Moreover, by a 54-37 percent margin, voters feel Clinton put our national security at risk by using a private email server." That is extraordinary and arguably poses an insuperable barrier to the White House.

She faces a problem for which spinning is of little or no use. The FBI is not spinnable. Even more ominous for Clinton, The Post reports, "The investigation is being overseen by two veteran prosecutors in the Justice Department's National Security Division. One of them helped manage the prosecution of David H. Petraeus, the retired general and former CIA director who was sentenced to probation earlier this year after pleading guilty to a misdemeanor charge of mishandling classified materials. He was also fined $100,000." Treating Hillary Clinton just like other top officials who have been prosecuted for mishandling secret information is about the last thing Hillaryland wants.

Former attorney general Michael Mukasey explains how troubling the allegations are and how indefensible is the alleged conduct:

It is a misdemeanor punishable by imprisonment for not more than a year to keep "documents or materials containing classified information . . . at an unauthorized location." Note that it is the information that is protected; the issue doesn't turn on whether the document or materials bear a classified marking. This is the statute under which David Petraeus - former Army general and Central Intelligence Agency director - was prosecuted for keeping classified information at home. Mrs. Clinton's holding of classified information on a personal server was a violation of that law. So is transferring that information on a thumb drive to David Kendall, her lawyer.

After reviewing more serious potential charges, he reminds us, "It is inconceivable that the nation's senior foreign-relations official was unaware of the risk that communications about this country's relationships with foreign governments would be of particular interest to those governments, and to others. It is no answer to say, as Mrs. Clinton did at one time, that emails were not marked classified when sent or received. . . . [T]he laws are concerned with the sensitivity of information, not the sensitivity of the markings on whatever may contain the information." But remember "not enough evidence to prosecute" is not the standard for a presidential candidate. That she could have used a system that subjected the nation's secrets to hacking, her aides to prosecution and herself to blackmail raise a fundamental question about her fitness for office. "Once you assume a public office, your communications about anything having to do with your job are not your personal business or property. They are the public's business and the public's property, and are to be treated as no different from communications of like sensitivity," Mukasey observes. "That something so obvious could have eluded Mrs. Clinton raises questions about her suitability both for the office she held and for the office she seeks."

In short, Clinton has two problems: An electorate convinced she is dishonest and reckless and incorruptible FBI and prosecutorial experts who have set a precedent for treatment of high-level officials. If there is any good news for Democrats it is that all this has come out months before the first primary votes have been cast.

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Edited: 08/16/2015 at 06:46 PM by dingpatch

That is the point of a secure server. To secure secret information.>>

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That is NOT true:>>

A secure server is there to keep information private and it should encrypt any information stored on it. Our E-mail at work is secure until people use it to surf the web or use the web to sign on their personal e-mail accounts and send personal e-mails. Clinton said she was planning a wedding.... EVERY foreign power in the world knew she was planning a wedding, Clinton was using the same server that she sent Top- secret E-mails to surf the web and find wedding venues, flowers, caterers and a thousand other sites that anybody planning a wedding would search. She said she was e-mailing about yoga classes, so where she was going and what she would be doing was on the same server as Top-Secret satellite data. Any foreign power could have set up fake wedding sites for free wedding services and the secretary of state or the USA logs in with a blackberry and access their web site and maybe creates a user account on their fake web site with a password??? NO??? How many accounts have you created with a password?? Just 2^nd light.com?? and a second account for surfline, and an E-mail account and a bank account for online banking and FPL and Tickld and Pay-pal and AOL and MACYs (%10 off all purchases) and Travelocity for a chance of a free trip...>>

Could a persistent threat that hacks at E-mail 24 X 7, guess your E-mail password by looking at the other 10 passwords that you have entered on the WWW??? Once... even one time that you log into a fake web site, that web site established a trust with your system and now knows what kind of encryption you use and knows how secure or unsecure your system and servers are... >>

A secure server used for SECRET information is locked down to a higher level of security... a server used for Secret information has NO direct access to the internet and no device with access to the internet is allowed on a server that is rated SECRET... Clinton used the same device to access SECRET state department E-mails and surf the internet (That will get you fired and maybe jailed in the real world).>>

But, But, BUT... It's worse than that... I read that there were TOP-SECRET documents in the E-mails... WTF??? How does that happen??? Top Secret documents being sent to a personal E-mail account??? IF she didn't use her personal E-mail account for state department business this would never have happened. BUT who in the state department E-mailed Top Secret or even Secret information to her personal E-mail account??? How did that happen? How do we keep that from happening again? (oh, use the e-mail provided by the state department) whoever E-mailed Secret data to her personal E-mail ought to be dragged over the coals and retrained on protocol, Clinton should be debriefed and her E-mails and the server seized and all E-mails traced all web sites investigated. This is not a matter of oh well the data is compromised, we need to know where it was sent and who had access to it and what other accounts were compromised, what other state department processes are being by-passed because of laziness or because of a powerful person wanting to bypass official channels... >>

Clinton is not now secretary of state, she is once again a private citizen. She has no office or official standing, she has no immunity to search and seizure if secure, secret or Top-secret documents are found on her person (or her personal devices) Many of the new devices, new phones, new I-pads and many of the older Blackberrys are seized and destroyed when they are found to have secret data on them because there is no official wipe procedure written for them. Has her blackberry been seized? Has her I-pad been seized?? For her to say they were wiped is BS, there are no official procedures that are certified as wiping all data from many blackberrys, Ipads and the newer phones. She as a private citizen does NOT get to decide that her device is secure and that it now has no data on it,that is for the FBI and DOD to decide. In matters of Secret and top secret data, the DOD doesn't have to prove you have the data they have to prove you DON'T Have the data by examining your systems, servers and any device attached to them.>>

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I'd have a big problem voting for a candidate who is on "probation"!

Now, , , , I particularly "love" Hillary because I have had occasion to associate with a person who worked the "personal residence" during the Clinton's time at "The House". Stories about the "family"; Bill was OK but could be an ass, while Hillary was nothing but a cunt!

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The Daily Mail again as a source. Please look up that periodicals journalistic reputation. Conservos love to quote it but it's like quoting the Natiojal Inquirer.

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The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness -
John Kenneth Galbraith

Well, , , , the Republicans are struggling to accept that Trump might be their candidate, while the Democrats may soon be struggling to find theirs in Hillary's absence.

The Washington Times

Number of Hillary Clinton's emails flagged for classified data grows to 60 as review continues

By John Solomon - The Washington Times - Sunday, August 16, 2015

While media coverage has focused on a half-dozen of Hillary Rodham Clinton's personal emails containing sensitive intelligence, the total number of her private emails identified by an ongoing State Department review as having contained classified data has ballooned to 60, officials told The Washington Times.

That figure is current through the end of July and is likely to grow as officials wade through a total of 30,000 work-related emails that passed through her personal email server, officials said. The process is expected to take months.

Among the first 60 flagged emails, nearly all contained classified secrets at the lowest level of "confidential" and one contained information at the intermediate level of "secret," officials told the Times.

Those 60 emails do not include two emails identified in recent days by Intelligence Community Inspector General I. Charles McCullough III as containing "top-secret" information possibly derived from Pentagon satellites, drones or intercepts, which is some of the nation's most sensitive secrets.

State officials and the intelligence community are working to resolve questions about those and other emails with possible classified information, a process that isn't likely to be completed until January.

That will be right around the time Mrs. Clinton is slated to face voters in the Iowa caucuses in her bid for the 2016 Democratic presidential nomination.

As the number of suspect emails grows and the classification review continues, it is clear that predictions contained in a notification Mr. McCullough sent Congress this summer is likely to hold true: Mrs. Clinton's personal emails likely contained hundreds of disclosures of classified information.

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If her server was never hacked, as the State Departments was, will this still be an issue with American voters?

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Not exactly--just her being a lying untrustworthy Beoch will!

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"So, you are saying that Clinton set up this email server/domain because she was worried that the pentagon/government's security wasn't up to her standards?"

No, as I understand it, the server was already there, set up for Bill, she just kept using it.
Or maybe I have that wrong,.

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"The truth is incontrovertible.
malice may attack it,
ignorance may deride it,
but in the end,
there it is." -Sir Winston Churchill

Well, , , , there are those that are now saying that unless "Hillary et al" actually "scrubbed" the server to MIL Grade standards, , , , , lots, and lots, of files will be recovered, , , , interesting.

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Should a representative of the US Government be forbidden from maintaining private correspondence?

Should people have demanded to inspect the journals and letters of past presidents?

I'm not defending Hillary, I think she's sneaky as hell, but I'm just wondering about the significance of private correspondence in the history of the United States. Roosevelt - Churchill comes to mind.

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“It is the heart of US policy to use fascism to preserve capitalism while claiming to be saving democracy from communism “ - Michael Parenti

Getting a little "stickier", it's coming out that she did email info about "diplomatic discussions" between her and foreign diplomats. May not seem to be such a big deal but, even though such communications were not "Marked" classified, , , , by law they are classified, even before being marked as such. One analysis described such conversations as being "born classified".

Now, some high ranking Dems are coming to the stark, horrifying, realization that Moon Bat Sanders is their leading "candidate"!

'Born classified': Hillary Clinton's best argument in the email scandal just got destroyed
REUTERS
Aug. 21, 2015, 6:15 AM 81,309 104

For months, the US State Department has stood behind its former boss Hillary Clinton as she has repeatedly said she did not send or receive classified information on her unsecured, private email account, a practice the government forbids.

While the department is now stamping a few dozen of the publicly released emails as "Classified," it stresses this is not evidence of rule breaking. Those stamps are new, it says, and do not mean the information was classified when Clinton, the Democratic front-runner in the 2016 presidential election, first sent or received it.

But the details included in those "Classified" stamps - which include a string of dates, letters, and numbers describing the nature of the classification - appear to undermine this account, a Reuters examination of the emails and the relevant regulations has found.

The new stamps indicate that some of Clinton's emails from her time as the nation's most senior diplomat are filled with a type of information the US government and the department's own regulations automatically deems classified from the get-go - regardless of whether it is already marked that way or not.

In the small fraction of emails made public so far, Reuters has found at least 30 email threads from 2009, representing scores of individual emails, that include what the State Department's own "Classified" stamps now identify as so-called 'foreign government information.' The US government defines this as any information, written or spoken, provided in confidence to US officials by their foreign counterparts.

This sort of information, which the department says Clinton both sent and received in her emails, is the only kind that must be "presumed" classified, in part to protect national security and the integrity of diplomatic interactions, according to US regulations examined by Reuters.

"It's born classified," said J. William Leonard, a former director of the US government's Information Security Oversight Office (ISOO). Leonard was director of ISOO, part of the White House's National Archives and Records Administration, from 2002 until 2008, and worked for both the Bill Clinton and George W. Bush administrations.

"If a foreign minister just told the secretary of state something in confidence, by US rules that is classified at the moment it's in US channels and US possession," he said in a telephone interview, adding that for the State Department to say otherwise was "blowing smoke."

Reuters' findings may add to questions that Clinton has been facing over her adherence to rules concerning sensitive government information. Spokesmen for Clinton declined to answer questions, but Clinton and her staff maintain she did not mishandle any information.

"I did not send classified material, and I did not receive any material that was marked or designated classified," Clinton told reporters at a campaign event in Nevada on Tuesday.

Although it appears to be true for Clinton to say none of her emails included classification markings, a point she and her staff have emphasized, the government's standard nondisclosure agreement warns people authorized to handle classified information that it may not be marked that way and that it may come in oral form.

The State Department disputed Reuters' analysis but declined requests to explain how it was incorrect.

The findings of the Reuters review are separate from the recent analysis by the inspector general for US intelligence agencies, who said last month that his office found four emails that contained classified government secrets at the time they were sent in a sample of 40 emails not yet made public.

The State Department has said it does not know whether the inspector general is correct. The Federal Bureau of Investigation has launched an investigation into the security of the copies of the emails outside the government's control.

FOR THE SECRETARY'S EYES ONLY
Clinton and her senior staff routinely sent foreign government information among themselves on unsecured networks several times a month, if the State Department's markings are correct. Within the 30 email threads reviewed by Reuters, Clinton herself sent at least 17 emails that contained this sort of information. In at least one case it was to a friend, Sidney Blumenthal, not in government.

The information appears to include privately shared comments by a prime minister, several foreign ministers, and a foreign spy chief, unredacted bits of the emails show. Typically, Clinton and her staff first learned the information in private meetings, telephone calls or, less often, in email exchanges with the foreign officials.

In an email from November 2009, the principal private secretary to David Miliband, then the British foreign secretary, indicates that he is passing on information about Afghanistan from his boss in confidence. He writes to Huma Abedin, Clinton's most senior aide, that Miliband "very much wants the Secretary (only) to see this note."

Nearly five pages of entirely redacted information follow. Abedin forwarded it on to Clinton's private email account.

State Department spokesman Alec Gerlach, in an initial response to questions on how the department applies classification regulations, said that Reuters was making "outlandish accusations." In a later email, he said it was impossible for the department to know now whether any of the information was classified when it was first sent.

"We do not have the ability to go back and recreate all of the various factors that would have gone into the determinations," he wrote.

The Reuters review also found that the declassification dates the department has been marking on these emails suggest the department might believe the information was classified all along. Gerlach said this was incorrect.

EXECUTIVE ORDERS
A series of presidential executive orders has governed how officials should handle the ceaseless incoming stream of raw, usually unmarked information they acquire in their work. Since at least 2003, they have emphasized that information shared by a foreign government with an expectation or agreement of confidentiality is the only kind that is "presumed" classified.

The State Department's own regulations, as laid out in the Foreign Affairs Manual, have been unequivocal since at least 1999: All department employees "must ... safeguard foreign government and NATO RESTRICTED information as US Government Confidential" or higher, according to the version in force in 2009, when these particular emails were sent.

"Confidential" is the lowest US classification level for information that could harm national security if leaked, after "top secret" and "secret."

State Department staff, including the secretary of state, receives training on how to classify and handle sensitive information, the department has said. In March, Clinton said she was "certainly well aware" of classification requirements.

Reuters was unable to rule out the possibility that the State Department was now overclassifying the information in the emails, or applying the regulations in some other improper or unusual way.

John Fitzpatrick, the current ISOO director, said Reuters had correctly identified all the governing rules but said it would be inappropriate for his office to take a stance on Clinton's emails, in part because he did not know the context in which the information was given.

A spokeswoman for one of the foreign governments whose information appears in Clinton's emails said, on condition of anonymity to protect diplomatic relations, that the information was shared confidentially in 2009 with Clinton and her senior staff.

If so, it appears this information should have been classified at the time and not handled on a private, unsecured email network, according to government regulations.

The foreign government expects all private exchanges with US officials to be treated that way, the spokeswoman for the foreign government said.

Leonard, the former ISOO director, said this sort of information was improperly shared by officials through insecure channels more frequently than the public may realize, although more typically within the unsecured .gov email network than on private email accounts.

With few exceptions, officials are forbidden from sending classified information even via the .gov email network and must use a dedicated secure network instead. The difference in Clinton's case, Leonard said, is that so-called "spillages" of classified information within the .gov network are easier to track and contain.

(Reporting by Jonathan Allen, editing by Ross Colvin)

Read the original article on Reuters. Copyright 2015.



Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com...t-2015-8#ixzz3jXnRZOGZ

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Edited: 08/22/2015 at 05:02 AM by dingpatch

On top of that, nobody likes her. Bill can't even live in the same house with her.

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"The government who robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul," - George Bernard Shaw

“Don’t underestimate Joe’s ability to f—k things up.” - Barack Obama

“End of quote. Repeat the line.” - wise words from Joe Biden

Does our government really email top secret information back and forth?

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I was right.

Another question: Email involves two parties, won't other people have copies of Clinton's conversations?

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I was right.

Coleslaw-

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Romans 8;18-32 John 3;16-18

I would like to know the whole story. I realize that's a no-no for republicans, but I'm not a republican.

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From the USA Today Editorial Board, , , ,

Clinton email controversy is no joke: Our view
The Editorial Board, 5:40 p.m. EDT August 23, 2015

Presidential candidate can laugh all she wants, but FBI investigations can't be dismissed.

In 2009, when soon-to-be Secretary of State Hillary Clinton first broached the idea of running her work email through a private server at her home in Chappaqua, N.Y., the concept should have been dismissed as laughable.

But it wasn't, and for reasons more likely having to do with control than convenience, Clinton went ahead with the plan. Now that top secret information, intelligence agency inspectors general, the FBI and federal judges are involved, the matter is far from amusing.

Clinton, though, seems to think she can dismiss the controversy by making light of it. Earlier this month in Iowa, the presidential candidate joked to a crowd of Democratic Party faithful about sending future communications over the app Snapchat, which famously makes text and photos disappear soon after they are viewed. At a testy press availability on Tuesday, Clinton went for the laugh line again after being asked whether her email server had been wiped clean. "Like with a cloth?" she replied, adding that nobody talks to her about the email controversy except reporters.

Maybe she doesn't get asked about it at tightly controlled town meetings, but the episode raises serious questions about the Democratic front-runner's decision-making and commitment to openness in government. One of the many reasons that it was a bad idea to mix personal and business messages is well known to anyone with an email account: As hard as you might try, you can't control what comes into your inbox. And if you're the secretary of State, that's inevitably going to include some sensitive information.

Last week, a Justice Department national security investigation kicked into higher gear after intelligence agency officials determined that top secret information had indeed passed through the private email account. The FBI has taken control of the server and thumb drives storing backup data. The number of potentially classified emails involved jumped from a handful to more than 300, according to a State Department count filed in federal court. A federal judge overseeing a Freedom of Information Act lawsuit said, "We wouldn't be here today if this employee" - Clinton - "had followed government policy."

Clinton's stance has evolved from saying that no classified material passed through her private account (March), to saying she didn't send or receive anything that was classified at the time (last month), to saying she didn't send any material that was explicitly marked or designated classified (last week).

The laws about handling classified material are complex, and way too much information is classified in the first place. It's entirely possible that Clinton didn't do anything illegal. Even so, presidential candidates should be held to a higher standard.

Scandals surrounding Clinton and her husband have a habit of being stoked by both the Clintons' penchant for secrecy and their political enemies' overzealousness. Amid all the investigations and lawsuits, a resolution of the email affair will be long in coming. A couple of things, however, are already clear.

One is that Clinton and her team should have turned the server over to the State Department's inspector general, or perhaps the National Archives, for an independent, confidential sorting of the 62,000 messages. Instead, they took it on themselves to delete about half the messages as personal and scrub the server, raising inevitable suspicions about a coverup.

Another is that, contrary to the Clinton camp's assertion that the controversy is a lot of "nonsense," federal computer security is no joke. Regardless of whether Clinton broke any laws, her decisions about the server represented bad judgment bordering on recklessness.

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Another question: Email involves two parties, won't other people have copies of Clinton's conversations?      YES... That is the problem... They have a copy and everybody they E-mailed has a copy and everybody who was eavesdropping has a copy and a copy exists on every server between Hillary and whoever she sent an E-mail too and a copy exists in every backup that was performed on any of those systems and servers. AND none of these servers or systems are secured AND many of the E-mails were Top Secret, Secret or just confidential...     

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Some do like her, but she is plenty unlikable.

BS 16

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“It is the heart of US policy to use fascism to preserve capitalism while claiming to be saving democracy from communism “ - Michael Parenti

Seems the woman with big glassea, black hair and hawk nose likes her as rumors go. You know the one you see in all the video clips of billary

Yep, dats da one, , , , she's Hil's rug muncher.

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The REAL truth is....both of the forum idiots are OWNED.
-BOTH of them have no clue who their owner is.
-They are both card carrying narcissists.
^These are PROVED facts.

So, , , , soon, , , , will they go and arrest her, or will they let her "turn herself in"? Mrs. Dingpatch is getting REALLY worked up about this, as she previously held a complete/total SCIF "Eyes Only - Need To Know" TS/SI clearance with "The People That Do Not Exist". The "empty headed" defense is not applicable in this instance and Hillary can, in the very least, be prosecuted for "Gross Negligence".

Hillary's e-mail defense is 'total BS': former State Dept. officials
By Paul Sperry August 23, 2015 | 6:00am
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Former State Department security officials don't buy Hillary Clinton's latest alibi that she couldn't tell that government e-mails - which she improperly, if not illegally, kept for several years on an unsecured home server - contained top-secret information because they lacked official markings and weren't classified until later.

Such messages contain sensitive "keywords" distinguishing them from unclassified information, even if the material didn't bear a classified heading as she claims.

The secretary would have known better, the department officials say, because she was trained to understand the difference when she was "read in" on procedures to ID and handle classified information by diplomatic-security officials in 2009.

Clinton also went through a so-called "read-off" when she left ­office in 2013. In that debriefing, security officials reminded her of her duty to return all classified documents, including ones in which the classification status is "uncertain," which would have included the e-mails stored on her private server - which she only this month turned over to authorities. The read-off would have included her signing a nondisclosure agreement.

"Once she resigned as secretary, she needed to return classified documents and other government-owned documents, which in this case would have included the server," veteran Diplomatic Security Service Special Agent Raymond Fournier said.

US intelligence officials so far have determined that at least four - and as many as 305 - of the more than 30,000 e-mails Clinton and her aides have printed out and turned over to investigators were classified at the time they were written.

They include a 2011 message from Clinton's top aides that contains military intelligence from United States Africa Command gleaned from satellite images of troop movements in Libya, along with the travel and protection plans for Ambassador Christopher Stevens, who was later killed in a terrorist attack in Benghazi, Libya. Another staff ­e-mail sent to Clinton in 2012 contained investigative data about Benghazi terrorist suspects wanted by the FBI.

Both e-mails were classified TS/SI - Top Secret/Special Intelligence - and required the nation's highest security clearance to read. SI is a control system within the supersecret designation known as Sensitive Compartmented Information.

SCI intelligence, which if leaked can cause "grave harm" to national security, is tightly controlled and usually kept in hard-copy form in bound books numbered and stored in highly secure "read rooms" known as SCIFs at department headquarters in Foggy Bottom. Before entering, cleared officials are required to place cellphones, BlackBerrys, iPads, laptops and other electronic devices on a shelf outside the monitored facilities. TS/SCI material is transported between SCIFs in locked bags carried by special couriers.

Clinton aides, however, put it into electronic form. Clinton still maintains she didn't know that their TS/SCI e-mails were classified when she received them on a private computer server she set up outside the department in 2009.

"I did not receive any material marked or designated classified, which is the way you know whether something is [classified]," she said last week, revising an earlier claim that "there is no classified material."

"That's total BS," said retired Army Col. Larry Mrozinski, who served almost four years as a ­senior military adviser and security manager in the State Department under both Clinton and Condoleezza Rice.

He says Clinton easily would have ID'd the material as classified based on "keywords and phrases" and the fact that the information came from foreign sources.

"TS/SCI is very serious and specific information that jumps out at you and screams 'classified,'?" Mrozinski said. "The sources [of the information] also drive and signal sensitivity."

He added: "It's hard to imagine that in her position she would fail to recognize the obvious."

Mrozinski was the certified security manager for the peacekeeping, sanctions and counterterrorism office in the Bureau of International Organization Affairs, where he had TS/SCI clearance and spent roughly 15 to 30 minutes a day in SCIFs.

"This is a serious breach of national security," Mrozinski said, and "a clear violation of the law."

"You are strictly forbidden to discuss TS/SCI of any kind outside a SCIF," he explained, and yet "she was viewing and hand­ling it in direct violation of the law and possibly exposing it to our enemies," such as ISIS and Beijing, which has hacked Pentagon sites.

"Anybody else would have already lost their security clearance and be subjected to an espionage investigation," Mrozinski added. "But apparently a different standard exists for Mrs. Clinton."

"She's in big, big trouble," Fournier agreed.

Paul Sperry, a visiting media fellow at the Hoover Institution, is author of "Infiltration." E-mail: Sperry@SperryFiles.com

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Edited: 08/23/2015 at 05:57 AM by dingpatch

The current status of her "classified" email are at a level that can be viewed by roughly 4 million people in the US.

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I was right.

And many of the E-mails were Top Secret, Secret or just confidential... "

Not according to Clinton, she is saying none of them were declared classified at the time, and I haven't seen anything to dispute that yet.

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"The truth is incontrovertible.
malice may attack it,
ignorance may deride it,
but in the end,
there it is." -Sir Winston Churchill

Hillary said that? Well, then, that settles it. Time to move on.

What's odd here is that the NY Times and Washington Post, two organizations fanatical in their efforts to cover up dem sins, are on this. I cannot help but think that the PiC is giving them their marching orders. I think the PiC wants Biden as a puppet president, ala Mededev.

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There are a number of talking heads in the security field discussing notions like "born confidential," additional keywords embedded in the message which flag it as confidential, as well as recognizing data from satellite imagery or foreign sources as automatically triggering the special handling requirements.

It seems she either flunked her training, or ignored it on some assumption that it was unhackable.

I don't know the chain of events relating to the server her provider had in a bathroom closet in Colorado (i.e., if that's the same server that wound up at her residence), but past employees of that company said they were in no way capable of handling top government-level secure data at the time.

Incredibly cavalier, incredibly naive, or incredibly stupid. For a presidential candidate, I'd call it far worse than Huckabee's failure to understand evolution.

"cavalier, incredibly naive, or incredibly stupid"
But not devious? not "hiding something"?

I would not, unless I hear more details about any actual breach of national security, call it worse than Huckabee's "failure to understand evolution", a charitable way to put it.

Huckabee and those like him don't just not understand science, they are actively denying human knowledge on evolution, and more importantly climate change.

A president that willfully denies knowledge like that would be a disaster for the planet.


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"The truth is incontrovertible.
malice may attack it,
ignorance may deride it,
but in the end,
there it is." -Sir Winston Churchill

Not a fan of the Hillary, and kind of hope this slicks her off the Dem ticket as I'd like to see better candidates from that side....

But, this whole classification thing is not black and white, there is a lot of gray.  Most likely she was an original classifer (Original Classification Authority) for the State Dept.  As such, she can make judgements to classify or not classify material.   If she received emails that had been classified and marked then she should have reported the data spill.  If she sent marked classified emails then she was in the wrong and should be held accountable.   If none were marked then it becomes a he-said-she-said squabble.

Google original classifer or original classificaiton authority to get an idea.  Most likely you will get a lot of DoD stuff, but many of the policies are the same.  Don't confuse the authority/rolls of an original classifier with those of a derivative classifer. 

Having said that, I don't doubt there are emails that should have been marked, but if nobody challenged the decision then there isn't a lot that can be done at this point.

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If I should ever die, God forbid, let this be my epitaph: THE ONLY PROOF HE NEEDED FOR THE EXISTENCE OF GOD WAS MUSIC - KV

Ummmmm.....no she wasn't as to what you are claiming she could do.

She has no authority to un-classify a document that was birthed classified.

Furthermore she would know exactly what a classified document is and has NO explanation as to why there were classified documents on her un- secure server other than she was arrogant and wanted to control and delete e-mail that she didn't want others seeing.

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The REAL truth is....both of the forum idiots are OWNED.
-BOTH of them have no clue who their owner is.
-They are both card carrying narcissists.
^These are PROVED facts.

You are clearly the idiot reading from a script and have no idea what you talk about.

First off, as the head of the State Department I'd be a paycheck she is an Original Classifier. There are very few and they include the Prez, VP, and people like the Secretary of State, Secretary of Defense, head of the DoE, etc.

Second, you don't even know what "birthed classified" means or what it applies to, do you?

Of course you don't. 

The real term is "born secret" (your talking points puppetmasters got the term wrong) and in the USA it applies primarily information in the RD/FRD realm under the authority of the DoE/DoD.  All other information is originally classified.  But you're right about one thing, as Secretary of State she would not have authority to classify (up or down) DoE or DoD information - which is the authority over RD/FRD information. 

Cnce again your prove yourself to be the village idiot of 2L. 

Carry on.

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If I should ever die, God forbid, let this be my epitaph: THE ONLY PROOF HE NEEDED FOR THE EXISTENCE OF GOD WAS MUSIC - KV

First off, as the head of the State Department I'd be a paycheck she is an Original Classifier. There are very few and they include the Prez, VP, and people like the Secretary of State, Secretary of Defense, head of the DoE, etc.>>

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2-200 Policy>>

Information may be originally classified only by the Secretary of Defense, the Secretaries of the Military Departments, and other officials who have been specifically delegated this authority in writing. Delegations of original classification authority shall be limited to the minimum required for effective operation of the Department of Defense. The authority shall be delegated only to officials who have a demonstrable and continuing need to exercise it.>>

2-201 Delegation of Authority>>

a. Information may be originally classified Top Secret only by the Secretary of Defense, the Secretaries of the Military Departments, or those officials who have been specifically delegated this authority in writing by the Secretary of Defense or the Secretaries of the Military Departments.>>

b. Information may be originally classified Secret or Confidential only by the Secretary of Defense, the Secretaries of the Military Departments, and the senior agency officials appointed by them in accordance with Section 5.6(c) of E.O. 12958 provided those senior agency officials have also been delegated original Top Secret classification authority. Senior Agency Officials of the Military Departments may further delegate original Secret and Confidential classification authority as necessary to respond to requests received under the provisions of paragraphs c and d. below.>>

c. Requests for original classification authority for officials serving in OSD and the DoD Components other than the Military Departments shall be submitted to the ASD(C3I). These requests will specify the position title for which the authority is requested, provide a brief justification for the request, and be submitted through established organizational channels.>>

d. Requests for original classification authority shall be granted only when (1) original classification is required during the normal course of operations in the organization, (2) sufficient expertise and information is available to the prospective original classification authority to permit effective classification decision-making, (3) the need for original classification cannot be eliminated by issuance of classification guidance by existing original classification authorities, and (4) referral of decisions to existing original classification authorities at higher levels in the chain of command or supervision is not practical.>>

(there are 4 million Americans who handle Classified documents, It is NOT practical for every document to be submitted to higher levels in the chain of Command. Therefore delegates of authority exist in every organization that handles Classified documents that have the authority to 'classify' any document that the organization has deemed Confidential, Secret or Top Secret.)>>

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???? Not sure what the point of that post is other than to reinforce that the comment "Don't confuse the authority/rolls of an original classifier with those of a derivative classifer" is accurate.

Are you trying to say she didn't have Original Classification Authority (a.k.a. original classifier) as Secretary of State? 

 

BTW - don't get too far in the weeds over my posts.  All I am saying is that as long as the material wasn't marked she had the authority to deem it as classified or unclassified.  Not trying to say how she handled her email server was correct or if she mis-handled marked material.

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If I should ever die, God forbid, let this be my epitaph: THE ONLY PROOF HE NEEDED FOR THE EXISTENCE OF GOD WAS MUSIC - KV

"A separate source, who also was not authorized to speak on the record"

Ya gotta love Fox news!

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Mystery deepens into how classified emails got onto Clinton's unclassified server
By Malia ZimmermanPublished August 31, 2015FoxNews.com

The daily revelations over classified information finding its way onto Hillary Clinton's personal email server are raising perplexing questions for former government officials who wonder how classified information made its way onto the former secretary of state's non-classified server -- especially since the two systems are not connected.

"It is hard to move classified documents into the non-classified system. You couldn't move a document by mistake," said Willes Lee, a former operations officer for the U.S. Army in Europe and former operations officer for the Joint Chiefs of Staff.

State Department spokesman Alec Gerlach confirmed the two systems don't connect. "The classified and unclassified system are separate and you cannot email between the two," Gerlach told Fox News.

The Clinton campaign adamantly denies any emails traversing Clinton's homebrew server were marked classified at the time. The intelligence community inspector general says "potentially hundreds" of classified emails may be in the mix, but acknowledges at least some were not properly marked.

So if the Clinton denial is to be believed, individuals in her inner circle would have simply typed or scanned classified information into a non-classified system without regard for its contents. In this case, emails would have started in, and stayed in, the unclassified system -- albeit improperly, based on the findings of the intelligence inspector general.

But if it turns out emails literally jumped from the classified to the non-classified system -- something the State Department claims cannot happen -- it would seem to point to Clinton's staff going to great lengths to create a work-around to do so.

A government employee doing so would commit numerous felonies, according to Bradford Higgins, who served as assistant secretary of state for resource management and chief financial officer from 2006-2009. "A violation, in addition to criminal charges and potential prosecution, would likely mean that person who committed the breach would never again be given a security clearance," Higgins said.

The State Department has indicated it sees no evidence of this criminal scenario. Classified documents are supposed to be marked, and State Department spokesman John Kirby told reporters at an Aug. 13 briefing "we have no indications" any classification markings were stripped. Clinton's defense has been that the emails in question were later deemed classified, after they traversed her server.

But Higgins is skeptical.

"Emails don't change from unclassified to classified. The originator of the email decides the classification before it is sent out based on basic protocols, not subsequent readers," Higgins said. "I believe it would be highly unusual for an unclassified email to later become classified."

Regardless of how it happened, Lee faulted Clinton and her staff.

"It is not as if Hillary Clinton and her staff do not know the rules and the law," he said.

"I think what it is going to come down to is very sloppy, unprofessional procedures," said Steven Bucci, assistant to former Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld and deputy assistant secretary of defense who is now at The Heritage Foundation.

While government watchdogs looking into the Clinton emails say classified material was improperly sent or received, so far they have not publicly alleged that emails jumped between systems.

I. Charles McCullough, III, inspector general of the intelligence community, and Steve Linick, inspector general for the Department of State, said in a July 24 statement that of 40 emails the State Department allowed them to review in an audit, four contained intelligence community-derived information that remains classified today. But the information did not contain classified markings or dissemination controls, they said.

They said: "This information should never have been transmitted via an unclassified personal system."

McCullough said, though, that "we were informed by State FOIA officials that there are potentially hundreds of classified emails within approximately 30,000 provided by Secretary Clinton."

He reiterated that while emails they saw were not marked as such, some should have been "handled as classified, appropriately marked, and transmitted via a secured network."

One of the emails that sparked the FBI probe was sent in April 2011 from Clinton aide Huma Abedin and covered intelligence from three agencies, Fox News first reported. Other emails that contained classified information came from diplomats with confidential material, according to the AP.

Pro-Clinton super PAC Correct the Record, which maintained Clinton's use of personal email followed the precedent of other secretaries of state and she did not violate any laws, said in a recent statement that government agencies often classify information differently from each other and that "government agencies also are notorious for over-classifying material."

Another security concern is Clinton attorney David Kendall's possession of thumb drives, which he recently gave the FBI.

The State Department would not provide details on the documents given to Kendall. "Removable drives need to be approved," Gerlach said, adding that he cannot get into specific security requirements.

Clinton and her staff may have had the ability to use thumb drives, but that would be unusual at the State Department, and it also defeats the purpose of a top secret computer, a classified printer, or what's known as a Sensitive Compartmented Information Facility (SCIF), Higgins said.

A SCIF is a room or building where classified material can be reviewed, designed and built so nothing electronic can go in or out except over secured lines.

Higgins noted other differences in how classified and non-classified systems are handled. "At State, your classified hard drive sits in your safe and only comes out for occasional use and must be returned to the safe before you leave at night," he said. "Even printing out top-secret needs a top-secret printer, which is carefully monitored."

He added, "As I recall at State, classified computers didn't have ports for thumb drives to download secret info."

The security implication is clear, he said: "Everything on her server has been compromised."

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Report: Hillary Emails Were Up for Sale on the Black Market

Sep 03, 2015 // 10:08pm
As seen on The Kelly File

A U.S. intelligence agency was aware during the summer that a collection of Hillary Clinton's emails was available for sale, but never gave its agents permission to obtain them, according to a bombshell Daily Mail report.

Daily Mail political editor David Martosko said on "The Kelly File" that the agency knew that an eastern European man was selling a cache of Hillary Clinton's private emails.

Martosko explained that the agency believes that the man could have gotten the emails from notorious Romanian hacker Marcel Laz?r Lehel, better known as "Guccifer," who got the emails by hacking longtime Clinton confidant Sidney Blumenthal's email account in 2013.

"The real story from our point of view is that somebody in the Obama administration's intelligence apparatus had the opportunity to obtain these emails over the summer, and they passed on it," Martosko said. "Somebody said no. They didn't want at that point in time to risk casting Hillary Clinton in a bad light."

He said that decision might have been different if it was made today, due to Clinton's ongoing email scandal and growing questions about her trustworthiness.

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Dora Hates You

I just got an old E-mail of Hilarys forwarded to me...  I can't show it to you because it is labled Secret... But it shows she knew at the time that she was sending Secret stuff and she flat did Not Care about the laws and rules in place concerning Classified documents

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Clinton I.T. aide to invoke 5th Amendment rights
CNN
Yahoo

How in the hell is she still the Dem front-runner? lol Do they not have anyone else that is less risky than this? She doesn't have an ounce of charisma running through her veins and Bill can only carry her so far.

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“Don’t underestimate Joe’s ability to f—k things up.” - Barack Obama

“End of quote. Repeat the line.” - wise words from Joe Biden

You really need to bone up on your 'classified' crap as what you type is grade 'A' Bovine Feces!

On the NATIONAL NEWS 'born classified' is an hourly term.....used many times per hour.

As for Hillionaire Clinton...better get your facts straight.....NO one is allowed to declassify ANY classified document except the agency that first classified it!

Fact!

Hillionaire had numerous 'classified' documents go across her server and through HER e-mail that were BORN classified....from the day they were produced. The only way they could be DECLASIFIED is to have the original classifier to take the classification AWAY.

That didn't happen...MORON!

So lets recap....Hillionaire passed on classified documents that were classified BEFORE she received them and through her personal e-mail on her personal un-secure ILLEGAL server. They were 'born classified' as the information was from heads of state from foreign countries and the details of the information (probably conversations of nuclear materials or weapons) makes them BORN classified! She can't claim that they weren't classified as they were (from the day they were documented from the source) and she could have not removed the classification legally....no matter what you think she is capable of doing as an 'original classifier' (Original Classification Authority).

FOOL!


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The REAL truth is....both of the forum idiots are OWNED.
-BOTH of them have no clue who their owner is.
-They are both card carrying narcissists.
^These are PROVED facts.

Edited: 08/25/2015 at 09:46 AM by Fish Killer

FBI Investigating Hillary Clinton for Possible Violation of the Espionage Act
by Debra Heine
August 28, 2015 - 3:41 pm

The Clinton camp has been insisting for weeks that the FBI's probe into Hillary Clinton's secret email server is just a minor "civil investigation," but according to a Fox News report Friday afternoon, the "extremely serious" investigation is being led by an "FBI A-team" and centers on a section of the Espionage Act known as 18 US Code 793.

A separate source, who also was not authorized to speak on the record, said the FBI will further determine whether Clinton should have known, based on the quality and detail of the material, that emails passing through her server contained classified information regardless of the markings. The campaign's standard defense and that of Clinton is that she "never sent nor received any email that was marked classified" at the time.

It is not clear how the FBI team's findings will impact the probe itself. But the details offer a window into what investigators are looking for - as the Clinton campaign itself downplays the controversy.

The FBI offered no comment, citing the ongoing investigation.

A leading national security attorney, who recently defended former CIA officer Jeffrey Sterling in a leak investigation, told Fox News that violating the Espionage Act provision in question is a felony and pointed to a particular sub-section.

"Under [sub-section] F, the documents relate to the national defense, meaning very closely held information," attorney Edward MacMahon Jr. explained. "Somebody in the government, with a clearance and need to know, then delivered the information to someone not entitled to receive it, or otherwise moved it from where it was supposed to be lawfully held."

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Not devious? Not hiding something? That was done with her voluntary scrub of what to hand over and what to keep secret, and quite likely as much in the decision to use a private server. I was being nice, and think you're being far too generous, or just playing dumb again.

Even if Obama "fully understood the science" he wouldn't be getting far with it. There are numerous policy advisors, cabinet members, and legislators to dampen the effects of stupidity there.

In contrast, once classified information is compromised, there is no filter to lessen the damage. Not to mention the options for short-term vs. long-term damage and correction.

Not according to Clinton, she is saying none of them were declared classified at the time, and I haven't seen anything to dispute that yet.     HAHAHA, disinformation on the part of Clinton...       The E-mails say "SECRET"   or "TOP SECRET"   or maybe "UNCLASSIFIED"   So in truth None of the E-mails were labled "CLASSIFIED" So typical Clinton, she lies while telling the truth...  NONE of them said Classified, YES BUT how about SECRET???? How about TOP SECRET??? She did NOT say that those markings were NOT on the E-mails...

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We, The US, are not really concerned with the 4 million that are cleared to look at this data, We, the US, are concerned with the other 315 MILLION AMERICANS that CANNOT Legally view her E-mails and...>>

8 BILLION other people on the planet that CANNOT Legally view her E-mails...>>

BUT Hilary because of Hubris exposed those Classified E-mails to 315 Million Americans and 8 Billion other people that are NOT CLEARED to see them... Then she tried to cover up her crime YES, CRIME, by deleting what she had and what she did...>>

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The NY Times and Washington Post are both primary news organizations, thus reality based.
Of course that looks fanatical to someone so detached from it.

I don't doubt that this Hillary email thing is all real, just don't think that it's the fatal blow so many of you are hoping for.
It does weaken her in the general election, but I think a 3 candidate race will still mean more dynastic control for America.

My rough prediction for Nov 2016

Trump 20%
Clinton 45%
Bush 35%

Democrats make significant gains in the HOR, but Rs retain a working (no, still just blocking) majority, Senate an even split, VP again Joe Biden.

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"The truth is incontrovertible.
malice may attack it,
ignorance may deride it,
but in the end,
there it is." -Sir Winston Churchill

I suspect that you may be right. Should be interesting, at least.

But I still do believe that Hillary's chances are in the PiC's hands. If he orders and indictment, it's over. I think he would do that only if he believes that Hillary cannot win.

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I need to revise that. Way too optimistic.
It is going to be a lot more interesting.

Trump 27% Clinton 37% Bush 36%
And a lot of new populist indpendents in the HOR.

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"The truth is incontrovertible.
malice may attack it,
ignorance may deride it,
but in the end,
there it is." -Sir Winston Churchill

Edited: 08/24/2015 at 03:27 PM by WG

See Bamboo's post above. I've spent plenty of time in the world of secrets too.
It's all very grey. I've classified stuff (under direction) that had no reason to be, and have seen plenty that should be that was not.

Again, without real details that show harm, or real stupidity (she's anything but) I think this will hurt her more than the Benghazi Witch hunt, but not fatally.

As far as her hiding something, of course she was.

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"The truth is incontrovertible.
malice may attack it,
ignorance may deride it,
but in the end,
there it is." -Sir Winston Churchill

The law doesn't stipulate 'guilt' on whether the action did harm....fool!

It stipulates that if you had classified documents where they weren't supposed to be...you're guilty!

Period.

An un-secured private server and a thumb-drive are places NO classified document is allowed to be.

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The REAL truth is....both of the forum idiots are OWNED.
-BOTH of them have no clue who their owner is.
-They are both card carrying narcissists.
^These are PROVED facts.

I have as well, for many years. FK could never pass a clearance to begin with, besides the FACT that he's a jackass a simple backround investigation would never allow it.

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The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness -
John Kenneth Galbraith

The law doesn't stipulate 'guilt' on whether the action did harm....fool!

It stipulates that if you had classified documents where they weren't supposed to be...you're guilty!

Period.

An un-secured private server and a thumb-drive are places NO classified document is allowed to be.


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The REAL truth is....both of the forum idiots are OWNED.
-BOTH of them have no clue who their owner is.
-They are both card carrying narcissists.
^These are PROVED facts.

come back to us when you have something real.

charisma?
you see someone with charisma running?
who?

You think that's what we need in a president?


And wait till she starts campaigning,
she's good at it.
She almost beat Barak Obama.

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"The truth is incontrovertible.
malice may attack it,
ignorance may deride it,
but in the end,
there it is." -Sir Winston Churchill

You've voted for charisma over qualifications two elections in a row.

She doesn't inspire anyone. She inspired Bill to move out of the house but aside from that she is the opposite of inspirational.

I can't wait til she starts campaigning. That is, if she starts campaigning.

I've met plenty of people in their 70's and I don't know that those people would be my first choice to run the country. Nice enough people but you can't expect them to be able to connect with as many people as someone younger.

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"The government who robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul," - George Bernard Shaw

“Don’t underestimate Joe’s ability to f—k things up.” - Barack Obama

“End of quote. Repeat the line.” - wise words from Joe Biden

it only goes one way with zombies sniper...

they say "bush lied, people died" but hillary voted for the war along with most other dems....(not defending bush...AT ALL)

now with bill - he had the ability to look directly at the american people and lie to our face...look I dont care if he wants to get blows from a girl that puts cigars in her vag...but if caught, just man up and admit it...if he would lie about that instead of owning it, he would lie about everything...now hillary is a class A liar too same as bill...but hey its ok to some I guess to be a smug piece of sh*t, as long as you lie and tell people what they want to hear...

you cant hold ALL politicians accountable...that would be crazy!, who would want to be better represented? force them to do better?...you just have to root for your own team

Completely wrong.
He was by far the best qualified in both elections.

I don't see much charisma in Obama at all.
He's goofy looking and stammers when he speaks.

I don't care much for his public speeches, but he shines when getting into the details in a private interview.

I voted for him because he is smart and because he is right on almost everything.
The fact the extreme right (wrong on everything) hates him so cements that point.





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"The truth is incontrovertible.
malice may attack it,
ignorance may deride it,
but in the end,
there it is." -Sir Winston Churchill

"I voted for him because he is smart "

 

so this election you're going with Dr. Carson or Trump? tough decision, both had good schooling and a bonus for you in this election, compared to last, they both have practical application of their knowledge/schooling - Carson a successful surgeon and Trump businessman

You took it out of context.

WG says he's smart and he likes his policy.

I agree and he is correct, we are doing light years better than we did under the last Republican administration.





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Report: Company has no knowledge Clinton server was 'wiped'
Associated Press
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WASHINGTON (AP) - The company that managed Hillary Rodham Clinton's private email server says it has no knowledge that the server was "wiped," which could mean that more than 30,000 emails Clinton says she deleted from the device could be recovered, according to a report in The Washington Post.

Clinton has said that personal correspondence sent and received during the four years she was secretary of state were deleted from the server. About as many emails pertaining to administration business have been turned over to the State Department, which is reviewing them and releasing them periodically by court order.

Deleting emails is not the same at wiping a server. Deleted emails often can be recovered from a device that has not been "wiped," which PC Magazine defines as "a security measure when selling, giving away or retiring a computer. A file wipe completely erases the data from the hard disk."

A spokesman for Platte River Networks, the Denver-based firm that has managed the system, said the company has no information indicating the server was wiped, the Post reported on its website Saturday. Platte River took over the device in June 2013, about four months after Clinton left the State Department, and turned it over to the FBI last month, the newspaper reported.

"All the information we have is that the server wasn't wiped," spokesman Andy Boian told the newspaper.

Republican Sen. Chuck Grassley of Iowa, the chairman of the Judiciary Committee, and Sen. Ron Johnson of Wisconsin, the chairman of the Homeland Security Committee, said Saturday they will seek a review of the deleted emails if they can be recovered, the Post reported.

As she pursues the Democratic presidential nomination, Clinton has faced relentless questions and criticism regarding her use of a private email account for government business. The FBI has been investigating the security of Clinton's email setup.

Clinton asserts that she had the right under government rules to decide which emails were private and to delete them, a claim the Justice Department supported in a recent filing with the U.S. District Court in Washington. The conservative watchdog group Judicial Watch is seeking access to her emails under a public records lawsuit.

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Please explain how a guy with absolutely no experience had qualifications. As Biden put it he is clean, he speaks clearly and is somewhar white, are those the qualifications?

Clinton's Email Quagmire: Senator Calls for Special Counsel
The Fiscal Times By Martin Matishak
7 hours ago
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The political warfare over former secretary of State Hillary Clinton's personal email entered a new, yet oddly familiar, phase on Tuesday when the Senate's No. 2 Republican asked the Justice Department to appoint a special counsel to investigate the arrangement.

"The present circumstances surrounding her use of a private email server during her tenure as Secretary of State could not be more extraordinary, nor the conflicts greater," he added. "Americans deserve the assurance that justice -- and justice alone -- is being pursued."

Cornyn, a member of the Senate Judiciary Committee, said Lynch "has a special duty to pursue justice even when political considerations run counter to doing so. At critical times in our nation's history, your predecessors have exercised that duty by appointing politically-independent individuals to investigate potential wrongdoing involving senior administration officials."

His call will no doubt prompt flashbacks to the 1990s when Kenneth Starr was appointed by a three-judge panel to continue the Whitewater investigation into real estate investments by the Clintons and their friends. The examination went on for years and culminated with President Bill Clinton's impeachment and acquittal.

Cornyn's effort might seem redundant, considering the email server Clinton used while leading the State Department is currently in the hands of the FBI, which is part of the Justice Department.

The agency is trying to determine what data, including potentially thousands of allegedly personal emails, can be retrieved from the device, even though Clinton and her attorney have repeatedly claimed it has been "wiped clean."

Both the State and Justice Departments have said Clinton's unique arrangement was allowed, infuriating many Republicans. Cornyn's letter indicates that the GOP believes the Obama administration can't effectively investigate itself and that outside help is required.

In addition to Cornyn's missive, the chairs of the Senate Judiciary and Homeland Security and Government Affairs panels have asked Lynch if they could request the former Clinton staffer responsible for maintaining her server to waive his Fifth Amendment rights if given immunity to testify behind closed doors.

Last week that man, Bryan Pagliano, evoked his rights against self-incrimination when he testified before the House Select Committee on Benghazi, with proceedings wrapping up after just a few minutes.

Clinton herself is due to appear before the panel investigating the deadly 2012 assault in Benghazi, Libya, next month and is sure to face questions from the GOP about her email arrangement.

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FBI recovers private emails from Clinton server: Bloomberg
Reuters
38 minutes ago
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WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The FBI has recovered emails from a private server used by Hillary Clinton while secretary of state that she said were deleted because they involved personal matters, Bloomberg reported on Tuesday, citing a source familiar with the investigation.

The FBI is examining the server to see whether any information, including classified data, was mishandled. Bloomberg quoted its source as saying the investigation would take at least several more months.

It was not clear how many of the personal emails had been recovered, the news agency said.

Clinton spokesman Nick Merrill, asked about the report, said: "We've cooperated to date and will continue to do so, including answering any questions about this that anyone including the public may have."

An FBI spokeswoman declined to comment on the report.

Clinton's use of her private email for her work as America's top diplomat came to light in March and drew fire from political opponents who accused the Democratic presidential front-runner of sidestepping transparency and record-keeping laws.

The controversy has cut into Clinton's lead in the race for the Democratic nomination for the November 2016 election.

Clinton has apologized for using a private server rather than the government system but has said she sent no information by email that was classified at the time and received no material marked that way.

Last December, she provided what she said were copies of all the work emails she had in her possession, nearly two years after she stepped down as secretary of state.

She handed over about 30,000 emails she sent and received, although her staff have since acknowledged that some work emails are missing. She did not hand over another 30,000 emails from the period that she deemed personal and said she chose "not to keep."

The company that managed Clinton's private email server said it had "no knowledge of the server being wiped," indicating that tens of thousands of emails Clinton said were deleted could be recovered, the Washington Post reported earlier this month.

The State Department has been releasing the emails to the public in keeping with Clinton's request after redacting parts of them to remove sensitive or classified information.

For more on the 2016 presidential race, see the Reuters blog, "Tales from the Trail" (http://blogs.reuters.com/talesfromthetrail/).

(Reporting by Peter Cooney; Editing by Bill Trott)

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Dora Hates You

Obama had the same, if not better, qualifications as Rubio & Cruz.

Is getting re-elected a qualification? Being a full-time, professional politician like Kasich a qualification? Trump has real estate experience and know how to threaten a lawsuit. Another qualification? How about Fiorina? Drove a company into the ground, cashed a $100 million bonus and took a golden parachute. Is that the experience you're seeking?

A stellar record!!

https://www.opencongress.org/people/voting_history/400629_Barack_Obama

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Allota words and no explanation, double latte this morning?

NSA chief says Clinton emails were 'opportunity' for foreign powers
Reuters
12 hours ago
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WASHINGTON (Reuters) - It would present an "opportunity" for spy agencies if the foreign minister of Russia or Iran were to use a private email server for official business, the chief of the U.S. National Security Agency said on Thursday.

The comments by Admiral Mike Rogers were in response to questions during a U.S. Senate hearing about former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton's use of a private server for email.

"From a foreign intelligence perspective, that represents opportunity," Rogers told senators.

The server has become an issue in Clinton's campaign for the 2016 Democratic presidential nomination. She has apologized for her use of the equipment.

During a hearing on the NSA, Republican Senator Tom Cotton asked Rogers a series of questions related to Clinton's use of a private email server at her home for communications as secretary of state.

Rogers said he did not want to be dragged into the issue, but Cotton said he wanted the NSA director's "professional opinion."

Cotton asked whether Rogers considered the communications of top advisers to the president, even those that are unclassified, a top priority for foreign spy agencies.

"Yes," Rogers responded.

(Reporting by Patricia Zengerle; Editing by Andrew Hay)

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Yes, Hillary Clinton broke the law
By Ken Cuccinelli September 27, 2015 | 9:16pm

Since there has been much evasion and obfuscation about Hillary Rodham Clinton's email use, it seems appropriate to step back and simply review what we know in light of the law. It's also instructive to compare Clinton's situation to arguably the most famous case of our time related to the improper handling of classified materials, namely, the case of Gen. David Petraeus.

Instead of turning his journals - so-called "black books" - over to the Defense Department or CIA when he left either of those organizations, Petraeus kept them at his home - an unsecure location - and provided them to his paramour/biographer, Paula Broadwell, at another private residence. (None of the classified information in the black books was used in his biography.)

On April 23, Petraeus pled guilty to a single misdemeanor charge of unauthorized removal and retention of classified documents or materials under 18 USC §1924. Many in the intelligence community were outraged at the perceived "slap on the wrist" he received, at a time when the Justice Department was seeking very strong penalties against lesser officials for leaks to the media.

According to the law, there are five elements that must be met for a violation of the statute, and they can all be found in section (a) of the statute: "(1) Whoever, being an officer, employee, contractor, or consultant of the United States, and, (2) by virtue of his office, employment, position, or contract, becomes possessed of documents or materials containing classified information of the United States, (3) knowingly removes such documents or materials (4) without authority and (5) with the intent to retain such documents or materials at an unauthorized location [shall be guilty of this offense]."

The Petraeus case meets those conditions. Does Clinton's?

Clinton originally denied that any of her emails contained classified information, but soon abandoned that claim. So far, 150 emails containing classified information have been identified on her server, including two that included information determined to be Top Secret.

She then fell back on the claim that none of the emails in question was "marked classified" at the time she was dealing with them. The marking is not what makes the material classified; it's the nature of the information itself. As secretary of state, Clinton knew this, and in fact she would have been re-briefed annually on this point as a condition of maintaining her clearance to access classified information.

Then there's location. Clinton knowingly set up her email system to route 100 percent of her emails to and through her unsecured server (including keeping copies stored on the server). She knowingly removed such documents and materials from authorized locations (her authorized devices and secure government networks) to an unauthorized location (her server).

Two examples demonstrate this point.

When Clinton would draft an email based on classified information, she was drafting that email on an authorized Blackberry, iPad or computer. But when she hit "send," that email was knowingly routed to her unsecured server - an unauthorized location - for both storage and transfer.

Additionally, when Clinton moved the server to Platte River Networks (a private company) in June 2013, and then again when she transferred the contents of the server to her private lawyers in 2014, the classified materials were in each instance again removed to another unsecured location.

Next we have the lack of proper authority to move or hold classified information somewhere, i.e., the "unauthorized location."

While it's possible for a private residence to be an "authorized" location, and it's also possible for non-government servers and networks to be "authorized" to house and transfer classified materials, there are specific and stringent requirements to achieve such status. Simply being secretary of state didn't allow Clinton to authorize herself to deviate from the requirements of retaining and transmitting classified documents, materials and information.

There is no known evidence that her arrangement to use the private email server in her home was undertaken with proper authority.

Finally, there's the intent to "retain" the classified documents or materials at an unauthorized location.

The very purpose of Clinton's server was to intentionally retain documents and materials - all emails and attachments - on the server in her house, including classified materials.

The intent required is only to undertake the action, i.e., to retain the classified documents and materials in the unauthorized fashion addressed in this statute. That's it.

It borders on inconceivable that Clinton didn't know that the emails she received, and more obviously, the emails that she created, stored and sent with the server, would contain classified information.

Simply put, Mrs. Clinton is already in just as bad - or worse - of a legal situation than Petraeus faced.

Does this mean she'll be charged? FBI Director James Comey has a long history of ignoring political pressure. So it's likely that the FBI will recommend prosecution, and then it will be up to President Obama's Justice Department to decide whether to proceed. Stay tuned.

Ken Cuccinelli is president of Senate Conservatives Fund and the former attorney general of Virginia.

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Until it's real and a household scandal, it's just a backhanded way to get Bush in office.

I freely admit that it could get to that point.  Biden needs to jump in.  

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Ken Cuccinelli is president of Senate Conservatives Fund and the former attorney general of Virginia.

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Planned Parenthood .............................. 47 31 16
Joe Biden ............................................... 40 28 12
Bernie Sanders ...................................... 32 22 10
Ben Carson ............................................ 29 21 8
Carly Fiorina ........................................... 27 20 7
Barack Obama ....................................... 46 40 6
The Democratic Party ............................ 41 35 6
The Black Lives Matter Movement ......... 32 29 3
Hillary Clinton ......................................... 39 47 -8
Jeb Bush ................................................ 24 39 -15
The Republican Party ............................. 29 45 -16
Donald Trump ........................................ 25 58 -33


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"The truth is incontrovertible.
malice may attack it,
ignorance may deride it,
but in the end,
there it is." -Sir Winston Churchill

By CBS NEWS STAFF CBS NEWS October 6, 2015, 2:34 PM
State Department asks Hillary Clinton to look again for old emails

Hillary Clinton says she has given the State Department all of the still-accessible emails pertaining to her tenure as secretary of state. The State Department, however, doesn't seem so sure about that.

The department has sent a letter to Clinton's lawyer David Kendall, asking Clinton to search for and hand over any relevant emails that she has yet to give them, CBS News confirms. The letter was filed in federal court Tuesday morning.

So far, Clinton has handed over 55,000 pages of documents from March 18, 2009 through February 1, 2013. The State Department is reviewing the emails and incrementally releasing them to the public, to comply with multiple Freedom of Information Act requests.

Officials: More emails uncovered from Clinton's private account
While Clinton was sworn in as secretary of state in January 2009, she has said that prior to March 18, she used the email account that she used during her Senate service -- an email account she can no longer access. It was only after March 18, Clinton has said, that she started using a private email address and private server in her capacity as secretary of state.

However, the Obama administration has discovered an email chain between Clinton and retired Gen. David Petraeus that shows Clinton was using her private email account to conduct business by January 28, 2009.

None of the Clinton emails that have surfaced so far from that period -- from January through March 2009 -- have been found to contain classified information, but they raise questions about what other communications may not have been disclosed yet. The letter filed Tuesday asks Clinton to contact her email provider to see if they can possibly get emails from that time period.

In addition to responding to Freedom of Information Act requests, the State Department is complying with an FBI inquiry into whether classified information was mishandled on Clinton's server.

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Employees at company working with Clinton email server expressed concerns

By Laura Koran and Evan Perez, CNN
Updated 1151 GMT (1851 HKT) October 7, 2015 | Video Source: CNN

Washington (CNN)Employees at the company that maintained Hillary Clinton's private email server expressed concern among themselves about the way the former secretary of state's team directed them to manage data backups after the FBI started looking into the arrangements, according to emails obtained by a senator.

In a letter obtained by CNN, Senate Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee Chairman Ron Johnson, R-Wisconsin, asks Datto, Inc, the makers of Clinton's server back-up system, for information on how her emails were preserved and protected. The FBI has also sought information from the company, according to sources.

Johnson indicates that a "Clinton family company," Clinton Executive Service Corp., paid for the back-up services, operated through a device called the Datto SIRIS S2000, and that the purchase was made by Platte River Networks when the server was moved from her private residence to a New Jersey-based data center in 2013.

In the letter, Johnson quotes from emails sent by and to employees at Platte River Networks, which indicate there was discussion about how the duration of data backups could be reduced, apparently at the direction of the Clinton Executive Service Corp.

Then this past August, a Platte River Networks employee wrote to a coworker that he was, "Starting to think this whole thing really is covering up some shaddy (sic) s**t."

"I just think if we have it in writing that they told us to cut the backups, and that we can go public with our statement saying we have backups since day one, then we were told to trim to 30days (sic), it would make us look a WHOLE LOT better," the unnamed employee continued.

The email was sent shortly after news emerged that the FBI was looking into the security of the server, and several months after it was revealed that Clinton exclusively used the private account to conduct State Department business.

The employee indicates in the email that Clinton's team asked them to change the back-up duration between October and February, presumably of 2014/2015, though that isn't explicitly stated in the portion of the email included in Johnson's letter.

In a statement Wednesday morning, the Clinton campaign accused Johnson of "ripping a page from the House Benghazi Committee's playbook and mounting his own, taxpayer-funded sham of an investigation with the sole purpose of attacking Hillary Clinton politically."

"The Justice Department's independent review is led by nonpolitical, career professionals, and Ron Johnson has no business interfering with it for his own partisan ends," campaign spokesman Brian Fallon said in the statement.

The committee did not share any of the emails with CNN, but excerpts and descriptions from them are printed in Johnson's letter.

Emails sent between Datto and Platte River Networks during that time indicate there was confusion about where the backed-up data would be stored, and for a while it was backed-up to an off-site Datto server, apparently against the wishes of Clinton staff.

When Platte River Networks became aware of the off-site syncing issue, they contacted Datto and discussed how they could retrieve that data for storage on-site, according to Johnson's letter.

"Despite these communications, it is unclear whether or not this course of action was followed," Johnson said. "Additionally,questions still remain as to whether Datto actually transferred the data from its off-site datacenter to the on-site server, what data was backed up and whether Datto wiped the data after it was transferred."

Johnson wrote to Datto seeking more information about their dealings with Platte River Networks and Clinton Executive Service Corp.

Johnson also asked the company to say whether Datto is authorized to store classified information, and whether any employees at the company have security clearances that would allow them to view classified information.

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Email Scandal: Hillary Could Face Real Jail Time As FBI Probe Intensifies
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BY JOHN MERLINE
10/16/2015 03:44 PM ET


If Hillary Clinton and her supporters thought her email problems were behind them after the Democratic debate, those hopes could soon be dashed.

Fox News reported this week that the FBI is looking into whether there's been any violation of the Espionage Act as a result of her use of a private, unsecured email system while secretary of state.

When classified material started showing up in Clinton's emails, she argued that she'd done nothing wrong because none of the emails she sent or received was marked "classified" at the time.

But violating the Espionage Act doesn't require that the information come emblazoned with such markings. "Gross negligence" in handling "information relating to national defense" is all that's needed to be found guilty. And the maximum penalty is 10 years in prison .

Gross negligence could include, Fox reports, storing national defense information on "an unsecured computer network."

Given what we've learned in the past few weeks, it seems pretty obvious that Clinton's server was very much unsecured.

AP reported, while she was secretary of state, her server "was connected to the Internet in ways that made it more vulnerable" to "even low-skilled intruders."

We also recently learned that Platte River Networks, which took control of Clinton's server in 2013, didn't have a cybersecurity system in place for months. Even then, Platte was later warned by another firm that Clinton's emails were "inadequately protected."

Fox also reports that investigators are looking into whether there was any obstruction of justice involved in how Clinton handled her emails and turned them over to the State Department.

Anyone who thinks the FBI isn't taking this case seriously should read Friday's New York Times. In a story headlined "Obama's Comments on Clinton Emails Collide With FBI Inquiry," the Times reports that FBI agents were "angered" after President Obama went on "60 Minutes" and tried to downplay the investigation by saying that "I don't think it" - meaning Hillary's private email account - "posed a national security problem."

That comment, the Times says, raised "the ire of officials who saw an instance of the president trying to influence the outcome of a continuing investigation - and not for the first time."

At one point in the Democratic debate this week, Bernie Sanders turned to Clinton and said that he was "sick and tired of hearing about your damned emails."

Sanders might be, but it doesn't look like the FBI will be any time soon.

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Obama's comments about Hillary Clinton's email left 'a foul taste in the FBI's mouth'
Business Insider By Natasha Bertrand
21 hours ago
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The FBI is mad at its president.

In an interview with "60 Minutes" last Sunday, President Barack Obama said that though it was probably a "mistake" for Hillary Clinton to use a private email server during her time as secretary of state, it "is not a situation in which America's national security was endangered."

His comments have reportedly angered the FBI, which has been investigating Clinton's server out of its DC headquarters since August to determine whether any classified national-security information was mishandled.

"Injecting politics into what is supposed to be a fact-finding inquiry leaves a foul taste in the F.B.I.'s mouth and makes them fear that no matter what they find, the Justice Department will take the president's signal and not bring a case," Ron Hosko, a former senior FBI official who retired in 2014, told The New York Times in a story published Friday.

Hosko added that it was inappropriate for the president to "suggest what side of the investigation he is on" during an ongoing investigation.

Though Clinton's use of a private email address was not illegal and was permitted by State Department rules, the federal government has standards for how servers are built, how they are secured, and how their data is stored.

The FBI is looking into the configuration of the server that Clinton handed over to authorities, as well as whether classified information passed over the remarkably unsecured server.

In August, the intelligence community's inspector general, Charles McCullough III, told Congress that he discovered two emails sent to Clinton that contained information classified as "Top Secret/Sensitive Compartmented Information," which is the government's highest levels of classification. Those emails were discovered in a sample of only about 40 emails.

And an email sent to Clinton reportedly contained the name of a CIA asset in Libya.

Agents perceived Obama's comments as an attempt to influence the outcome of their investigation, according to The Times. And they are annoyed that the president would pass judgment about whether Clinton's email setup endangered national security when officials have yet to determine whether her server - which contained information retroactively marked top secret and classified - was compromised by foreign adversaries.

"If you know my folks," FBI Director James Comey said earlier this month, "you know they don't give a rip about politics."

The administration has since backed off Obama's comments: White House Press Secretary Josh Earnest told reporters that Obama was not trying to undermine the investigation after he was grilled by reporters during Tuesday's daily briefing.

"The president has a healthy respect for the kinds of independent investigations that are conducted by inspectors general and, where necessary, by the FBI," he said.

Clinton's unusual email system was originally set up by a staffer during Clinton's 2008 presidential campaign, replacing a server used by her husband, former President Bill Clinton.

Facing criticism earlier this year for her use of the server, Clinton handed over about 30,000 work-related emails for the State Department to make public. She also deleted about 31,000 emails she says were personal. She handed over the entire server to the FBI in August.

'Like inviting spies over to dinner'

Over the past three months, officials examining Clinton's emails have determined that some of the information that passed through her inbox is now considered either classified or top secret and should not have been discussed over such an unsecured platform.

Indeed, according to a lengthy Reuters investigation, much of the information Clinton sent and received was inherently classified even if it was not marked as such at the time.

And reports that hackers in China, South Korea, Germany, and Russia tried to break into her server have raised questions about the kind of security precautions she took to safeguard this sensitive information.

It is unlikely that the foreign attacks on Clinton's server were targeted at her directly: The attempts discovered were basic phishing scams disguised as speeding tickets, The Associated Press reported, and rather unsophisticated.

But the malicious emails highlight the fact that Clinton's server was a target.

And according to a new AP investigation, the way Clinton's server was connected to the internet - via a Microsoft remote-desktop service that permitted remote-access connections without additional protective measures - made it particularly vulnerable to hackers, which is something experts say her own security experts should have known.

If malicious state actors did know that Clinton was running a private email server and they tried to hack it, "then it's almost a sure thing that they were successful," Michael Borohovski, CTO of Tinfoil Security, told Business Insider.

"It's possible Clinton's server was breached before she even sent her first email," Borohovski added. "She probably didn't mean to put government at risk, but she ended up doing it by running an external mail server that was secured with questionable resources."

Clinton defended herself on "Meet the Press" earlier this month by saying that she was unfamiliar with the technical aspects of the server, which she left in the hands of experts.

But because Clinton made a conscious decision to bypass the State Department's server - and the millions of dollars the government has spent to protect it - in favor of her own risky setup, her ignorance of the technological particulars is a poor excuse, Joe Loomis, CEO of CyberSponse, told Business Insider last week.

"The fact that Clinton chose to use her personal email instead of a .gov account shows that she obviously doesn't understand security," Loomis said. "What she did is like inviting spies over to dinner - every device connected to the internet is an opportunity for them to collect intelligence.

"This world is full of cyberwarfare, and your computer is a part of that war zone."

As The Times pointed out, the president and the FBI also sparred in 2012 when he commented on reports that David Petraeus had passed classified information to his mistress.

"I have no evidence at this point, from what I've seen, that classified information was disclosed that in any way would have had a negative impact on our national security," Obama said at the time.

FBI officials reportedly believe that their recommendation for Petraeus - felony charges and a prison sentence - was overruled by the Justice Department at least in part because Obama had prejudiced the outcome.

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With Monday's email release, , , , the number of emails that contained classified information now totals 999.

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Is there any evidence that her server was breached?



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