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"The truth is incontrovertible.
malice may attack it,
ignorance may deride it,
but in the end,
there it is." -Sir Winston Churchill

Signs that you are in a cult -

http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2014/06/the-seven-signs-youre-in-a-cult/361400/

http://www.csj.org/infoserv_cult101/checklis.htm

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What is saying the same thing over and over a sign of?

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Global warming....hahahaha.

Right now, I am in the shade and there is a nice cool breeze blowing.

People, wake the frick up.

Climate change is a global conspiracy to make Al Gore rich.

Let me connect the dots for you block heads.

Numerous foreign countries have donated money to the Clinton foundation.

Therefore, the Clintons have significant influence over these countries, "global" influence.

Possibly enough to get them to fake climate statistics? (just sayin')

Who was VP when Clinton was president?

Al Gore.....Thank you.

I hope you are being ironic.

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^^^^ Not ironic...just poking fun at wacky righty idiocy. Trying to paint people who agree with the science as cultists is the smear flavor of the month for them. Give it a week or so and they'll come up with something even more stupid.

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The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness -
John Kenneth Galbraith

The cultists fight back, in a very predictable way. Good to see that some things don't change.

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Even in the face of overwhelming evidence, the "conservatives" stick to their delusions (or lies, I'm not really sure which of those camps your are really in).
Sad to see some things never change.


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"The truth is incontrovertible.
malice may attack it,
ignorance may deride it,
but in the end,
there it is." -Sir Winston Churchill

Why can't the Chicken Littles of the world focus on campaigns that encourage citizens to do things that will help the environment in their day-to-day lives?

The reason people are skeptical is that every single possible solution to this problem, posed by the alarmists, stands to make certain people or groups billions of dollars off the backs of the American people. Whether the alarmists are suggesting legislation that makes power in our homes more expensive, makes it cost more to drive, or whether it involves controlling what kind of vehicle we drive, every solution the alarmists propose is aimed at taking control/money/power from one group and handing it to another.

THAT is why people are and should be skeptical of the legislation around global warming. I'm sure that many of the scientists involved mean well but we would be stupid to think that their aren't equally as many people looking at this as a power/money land grab and could care less about the science.

No knee jerk policy making needed.

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"The government who robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul," - George Bernard Shaw

“Don’t underestimate Joe’s ability to f—k things up.” - Barack Obama

“End of quote. Repeat the line.” - wise words from Joe Biden

By the time a teabag/repug woke up it would be too late.

I continue to be amazed at the people who post on this here 2L surf forum that claim to be surfers. I just dont see how you can be a surfer and not have some concern for the environment. Unless you are just a brainwashed media punk.


How many surfed Cali in the mid 60s? What was that like? How many surfed in the late 70s? What was that like? Anyone notice any difference? How about the Texas Gulf Coast some time frames? Even here in CLFA. It aint the same. If you dont see the signs and dont take action then watch when the ocean turns to poo, and the shoreline recedes.

Its a living breathing planet and we contribute to what fucks it up.

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So if you are a surfer I wish you the prosperity that allows you more time to pursue the salt water dream, and the true happiness that comes from warm water, clean waves and the companionship of your fellow surfers. If you are an internet troll just spewing bs then f off.

These were the same people that opposed catalytic converters on cars.

These were the same people that opposed cap and trade for sulfur.

These were the same people that opposed regulating CFCs.

These were the same people that screem bloody murder when they have to spend money to hook up to a municiple wastewater system.

These are the people that got Rick Scott to rescind the rule that would require people to get their septic tanks inspected on a regular basis.

Don't believe a word they say when they say they are for clean water and think that the "chicken littles" would not be opposed if they'd just make sensible solutions for voluntary means of environmental protection.

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Scombrid, I have two magic words for you:

THE FREE MARKET.

Bullshit sniper.
Who exactly to you think is going to get rich from mitigating climate change?


The real reason some people are skeptical is that every single possible solution to this problem, as defined by the science means that we can not safely burn a lot more fossil fuels.

Certain people who "own" the carbon in the ground and are currently making billions of dollars off the backs of the American people, will make a lot less.

All of those oil, gas and coal rights are now are worth a lot less.

Some very rich people stand to be a lot less rich than they thought they were.

This fact is the one that matters, the one that fuels the denial movement.



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"The truth is incontrovertible.
malice may attack it,
ignorance may deride it,
but in the end,
there it is." -Sir Winston Churchill

Dear Future Generations: Sorry

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"The truth is incontrovertible.
malice may attack it,
ignorance may deride it,
but in the end,
there it is." -Sir Winston Churchill

Edited: 04/24/2015 at 07:31 AM by WG

Can't open the link. Maybe you progs should start apologizing for the trillions of dollars in debt you are leaving to future generations. That is real even. (I'd add that we will eventually be so broke that environmental concerns will go out the window and that, in turn, will degrade the environment. Progs screw up everything they touch, as has bween well documented.)

Not all surfers are Jeff Spicolis. Some of us have a working brain between the ears.

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Some of us have a working brain between the ears.



You think Dubya was a great president. That pretty much shoots the above all to hell.

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I was right.

So, in your opinion, humans are Earth's cancer and the best thing we can do for our planet is to all go kill ourselves?

I don't think humans are horrible.

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"The government who robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul," - George Bernard Shaw

“Don’t underestimate Joe’s ability to f—k things up.” - Barack Obama

“End of quote. Repeat the line.” - wise words from Joe Biden

Just fucking amazing that you go there.




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"The truth is incontrovertible.
malice may attack it,
ignorance may deride it,
but in the end,
there it is." -Sir Winston Churchill

Fortunately, most Americans know a cult when they see one and haven't signed up for this one. Politically, we are in a position now to stop the worst of the idiotic ideas. Hopefully, we can put a competent person into the White House  in 2016 and put an end to this garbage.

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Be shocked. Be appalled. Go ahead and give me a "oh, how dare you!" and see how many f's I give.

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"The government who robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul," - George Bernard Shaw

“Don’t underestimate Joe’s ability to f—k things up.” - Barack Obama

“End of quote. Repeat the line.” - wise words from Joe Biden

Cult members get a bit touchy when you question their beliefs.

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You care about something, Sniper.  It's just hard to tell what.

Tpap is not a mammal, so nothing bothers him.

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Someone says, "Hey let's not shit where we eat" and you come to that conclusion?

Strange.

 

 

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GO Duke

Kind of a no brainer, but an interesting read.

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Specializing in sarcasm and condescending rhetoric since 1971.

"I don't see any examples of the global warming crowd trying to educate anyone. "
look harder

I've posted both of these basic intros manv times. I don't yet see any evidence that you or your fellow deniers have made the effort to learn the science.


Real Climate - start here

http://www.skepticalscience.co...arming-Skepticism.html

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"The truth is incontrovertible.
malice may attack it,
ignorance may deride it,
but in the end,
there it is." -Sir Winston Churchill

Conservative groups spend up to $1bn a year to fight action on climate change.
guardian

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"The truth is incontrovertible.
malice may attack it,
ignorance may deride it,
but in the end,
there it is." -Sir Winston Churchill

Such as using less electricity or electricity from some source other than mercury and soot laden coal? Putting less fertilizer on their lawn? Driving more fuel efficient cars?

People just going to magically do that voluntarily with no garrantee that the other millions of people around them will reciprocate? Really?

People just go do the dealer and demand that their car have emission reduction devices right? The improvements in air quality all magically came from people voluntarily adding emission control devices to their cars and demanding low sulfur diesel for their highway trucks and autos.

And everybody is going to magically convert their lawns to native drought tolerate landscapes that don't require extra fertilizer and water in order to help restore the St. Johns River and IRL.

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Nobody is going to convert their lawns to native drought tolerant landscapes because it looks like shit.

And yes, with the right kinds of campaigns and education people will change their behavior.

What you said above is like saying, "How are we ever going to get the majority of people to stop littering on the beach?!" Most people don't.

You guys should find a way to sell your ideas through education instead of forcing them on people.

Again, it is the money and power involved that makes people skeptical and nervous about the intentions of the pushers.

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"The government who robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul," - George Bernard Shaw

“Don’t underestimate Joe’s ability to f—k things up.” - Barack Obama

“End of quote. Repeat the line.” - wise words from Joe Biden

Edited: 04/24/2015 at 05:34 AM by Sniper

It looks good when done right and can be lower cost than long term maintenance of that St. Augustine lawn. But it is more work than paying a lawn service to come out and mow and spray and mow and spray while you go play somewhere.

So we have people putting their personal self interest above that of the commons. Which is what always happens which is why rules to protect the commons generally have to be mandatory.

IRL and SJR and all of the pea-soup green lakes will stay nasty unless there is some really push to reduce nutrient loads. This little bullshit of sucking some muck out of a canal here and there is not going to restore decent water quality in the places where people say that they want better water quality.

Not really. Some people will pay the higher price for the environmentally clean product. You know what happens when a subset of people buy the environmentally friendly product even though it is more expensive? That reduces the price of the polluting product. Then demand for the cheaper product goes up. That way the people that buy the "cleaner" product end up paying a higher price but receive ZERO environmental benefit because every unit reduction that they create by their action is matched by the the unit increase by the rest of consumers. The average rational actor always defects. Price pressure always encourages the producer to externalize as much cost as possible, especially when the pollution is not dumping right onto their property.

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Littering isn't illegal or anything.

And I still pick up trash every week at the end of my street where I access the lagoon. And ground around around the bench at Valencia Dock is covered with cigarette butts. And there's that guy with the golden retriever that flings the shit into the lagoon when he walks Rockledge Drive instead of doing like the rest of use and picking it up in a bag. And some asshole less his dog shit in my front yard and doesn't pick it up.

And littering is materially different than a lot of pollution forms that are remote to the people contributing to the pollution. Pollution from coal fired power plants isn't sitting on top of the sand right in your play ground. No, it is downwind and downstream of a mine sight in Appalachia, a mine site that you will likely never see even if you go to Snowshoe to ski.  The pollution from the coal fired plant is invisible in the fish that people eat and the effects from that are slow to accumulate.

The pollution from cars is distributed and often generally invisible. You can't really see ozone and everybody isn't sensitive so EPA stating that reducing Ozone by Y percent will result in X fewer asthma attacks is intangible to the average person that is deciding what car to buy. Hell even in places where smog is so bad that you can taste the air (we don't get that in FL generally) people don't associate the haze with the stuff coming out of their car. So the cost of emission control was resisted by the average consumer and had to be mandated.

 

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Total BS.  It's the direness of the predictions and the fact that it may involve sacrifice that creates denial.  That along with the f#cking tidal wave of propaganda from the fossil fuel industry, a literal juggernaut of money and power.  I mean, how can that not be clear?

'Oh Science, you are too harsh.  The stories you tell, they must be sugar coated and "sold"'.  What crap; science tells the truth; life ain't fair; man up.

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Where is all this propaganda you speak of?

I don't see any examples of the global warming crowd trying to educate anyone.

All they do is call people who are unsure or who don't agree with them stupid or "deniers".

First of all, calling someone a "denier" sounds fucking cultish and creepy. Second, do you think that is any way to go about changing anyone's mind?

The movie from Algore doesn't count.

People want to hear honest debate from people who actually know what they are talking about, so they can make up their minds for themselves but for whatever reason, that doesn't exist on this topic.

Just a bunch of people regurgitating what other people say, like they do on this forum.

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"The government who robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul," - George Bernard Shaw

“Don’t underestimate Joe’s ability to f—k things up.” - Barack Obama

“End of quote. Repeat the line.” - wise words from Joe Biden

Conservatics apparently don't believe in science yet they reap the benefits of it every day.

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The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness -
John Kenneth Galbraith

As long as it's industrial science it's okay.  Science is meant to be applied; to hell with the search for objective truth, right?

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When behavior by certain humans cause our environment to become unlivable then yes, they are a cancer.

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The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness -
John Kenneth Galbraith

Exactly, eibla. Progs are a cancer and must be exterminated. 

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We're not the one's denying the science.

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The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness -
John Kenneth Galbraith