Don't know if this has been on here yet, but found the link on surfline , seems like a great cause to get behind, for what a minimal wave the inlets become over the years......

check it...  http://www.firstpeak.org/reflection.html

I dont understand a single thing about that site or video. not a single thing.

I realize you are being serious and I agree, but that is one of the funniest responses I've seen in years!



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Outstanding.  Now we are going to mine some environmentally essential substrate so we can stick it under the jetty.  But everyone complains (rightfully so) when they propose to cover it up for a beach nourishment.  Makes no sense.  Pipe dream is right.

 

The inlet is within worm reef habitat, yet is doesn't flourish there.

Is it salinity sensitive?

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off subject I know, but my wife just cracked up mucho at your sig there Cole! Thanks brah!, laugh'in wife's, make the world go 'roun!

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I recall there used to be some build up there but think between the storms/rebuild it was destroyed. Tip or someone else who has also spent a lot of time there can confirm.

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I remember some too and I think there is still a little on the bases of the pilings, but there must be some reason it's not more prevalent.

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Grow [verb] to increase by natural development, as any living organism or part by assimilation of nutriment; increase in size or substance.

 

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The First Peak Project is a 501(c)(3) public benefit organization whose mission is to restore the legendary wave First Peak at Sebastian Inlet to its former glory. 

 

www.firstpeak.org

It's already there and doesn't grow, that's the point.


And where is the concrete support you were going on about. I looked on Sunday and it's rocks...just like it's always been.


Come on man, seriously, are you joking with us?


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Naw man, we're real.

Check out the new website.

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www.firstpeak.org

What's the parent name of your charity? I don't see First Peak Project on the charity navigator.

https://www.charitynavigator.org/index.cfm?keyword_list=first+peak+project&Submit2=Search&bay=search.results

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Looks like this is them.. Link

I don't see him claiming to be a charity anywhere?

The First Peak Foundation, Inc.

 

It takes the IRS a few months to update the online verification database which feeds down to all other charity types searches and websites. Waiting for the determination was long enough, their database update can happen when it happens.

 

We're also 501c3 verified through Paypal.  It's all legit.

 

Make sure you fully understand tax deductions and how they connect with the standard deduction before donating if this really bugs you.

 

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The First Peak Project is a 501(c)(3) public benefit organization whose mission is to restore the legendary wave First Peak at Sebastian Inlet to its former glory. 

 

www.firstpeak.org

Just making sure the money goes where it is supposed to go.

Everyone should research before they donate. There are a ton of scams out there.

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Cole, I feel like the discussion kind of moved away from your questions about the "core" under the jetty. I think you may be thinking that "core" means solid concrete, but in this case it's actually the rock that is piled in between the old jetty legs for the length of the structure. That stuff has always been there and I have watched many folks over the years walk along it at low tide (both before and after the new jetty construction). Seems like the biggest challenge with the worm rock idea is the gap that's there to fill between the new pier pilings. The old pier pilings sat relatively close to the "core" rock that was directly behind them. As a result, the worm rock could attach to the surface of the rocks and grow outward as well as the pier pilings on either side of what used to be much smaller gaps. With the new outer pier pilings, the worm rock really only has their vertical concrete surface to hang onto. It has to grow side-to-side and then quite a ways backward to completely fill the gap and still have solid support that was available in the original jetty's configuration. The photo below (from firstpeak.org) illustrates all of the above. You can see the new pilings in the foreground, old pilings in the background, and rock "core" directly behind them.

Edited: 12/02/2016 at 06:20 AM by ClaimingDFL

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The First Peak Project is a 501(c)(3) public benefit organization whose mission is to restore the legendary wave First Peak at Sebastian Inlet to its former glory. 

 

www.firstpeak.org

Great photo! Ladies and gentlemen, want to know where the wedge at first peak went? Here's your answer: It's stuck here, in between the new and old pilings!

FPP was saying it's a solid core, I knew it was rocks. I walked them at low tide looking for lures when I was a kid. The new jetty was built over the old one, the middle is still the same rocks that have always been there.

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I think you may be agreeing with each other then. FPP said: Jetties are typically not made so water can pass through them, those types of structures are called "piers". Jetties are constructed with various semi-permebale to impermeable layers (outside to inside) of armor stone, substrate and/or sheet pile to dissipate initial wave forces but then withstand hurricane force winds, waves, and currents. Fort Pierce, Boyton Inlet, Palm Beach Inlet, Ponce Inlet and nearly everyone other jetty in Florida as a solid impermeable core. Sebastian Inlet too has a solid impermeable core that has a very low freeboard, typically submerged at high tide. He is saying that armor stone (aka rocks like those under the jetty at the inlet) constitute a solid core, so you guys are on the same page! :-)

Edited: 12/03/2016 at 04:12 PM by ClaimingDFL

I'm sure you have been on a jetty during a solid swell, the waves do break through. The old one more so than the new one. Years ago, I saw a person get washed through to the inlet. That looked like zero fun.

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Cole - First Peak only needs a little bit of Reflection. Say when the waves are head high or so, we only need a reflected wave that is 1' or 2' coming off the jetty to make a HUGE DIFFERENCE.

 

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The First Peak Project is a 501(c)(3) public benefit organization whose mission is to restore the legendary wave First Peak at Sebastian Inlet to its former glory. 

 

www.firstpeak.org

Good looking out ClaimingDFL.  It's nice to know there's someone out there in the world who has their wits about them.  I/We were totally lost on where Cole was going with all of this concrete-under-jetty talk so we just gave up.

 

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www.firstpeak.org

But for a $100.00 "donation" to whatever in the hell this is all about ..... you get a T shirt!!

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If I do not answer you .... nothing personal, I just have you on ignore.

I understand the basic concept of what they want to do but It hasn't been well thought out.  wave refraction sounds great but it may not creat a viable surfing wave.  in fact it could creat conditions that would ruin any ridable surf around the pier.  Another glairing problem is the "refracting panels" would put a lot of stress on the pilings.  They also do not go all the way to to the Bottom.  Waves are energy moving through the medium of water. The sea bed is the bottom of the wave. Most of the wves energy will simply slip under the refacting panles little if any will be returned.   

If someone wants to spend the money on creating a surfing wave they should be looking at how to shape the sea bed in a manner that allows for waves to peel .  a great many mad made jetties have by accident shaped the sea bed and created a better wave for sufing. Somthing like combining a rock jetty and peir might have the desired effect. Of couse the number one thing to consider is how will this effect the beach and enviroment in the long term.  

Surfrider made an attempt to creat a wave in the LA area and it was a multi million dollar mistake.  Any marine engineering must be carefully concidered. 

 

Refraction and Reflection are two completely different things. Wave Refraction is a gravity phenomenon that always takes place.  It's caused by differential shoaling across the wave crest as a single wave crest transforms over a variable seafloor.  This is why beach breaks are different from point breaks.

Reflection is caused when waves interact with a structure such as a jetty, cliff or seawall. The reflected wave energy combines with other incoming waves in the wave train and can cause dramatic things to happen.  First Peak was best in the 1970's and 1980's when the waves would reflect from the solid jetty (now still present but surronded by sand).  The jetty of the 2000's to today was/is more of a "pier" and lets too much wave energy permeate through not allowing reflection.

Some examples of famous reflecting waves are Newport Wedge in California, Caldera in Puntaraenas Costa Rica and Rancho Santana in Nicaragua, the former being man-made.

Advanced sediment transport models used by mega-firm coastal engineering firms to build ports and harbors and manage sediment transport, including beach nourishment projects, have indicated that increased reflection from the jetty helps impact sand in an oblique fillet along the north jetty.  This is a positive feedback loop in by which over time, the restored peak and modified wave action from reflection would help to groom the bottom to represent something more of a point break, making the wave break much longer than it does today.

A reflective panel pilot project would cost on the order of $100,000 with 100% contigency meaning the pilot project could be removed if not effective.  Artifical surfing reefs, to be effective, cost over $5,000,000 and the contigency is generally 5 times the cost of installation for offshore subaqueous coastal development projects.  The former alternative would be equivalent to selling 1,000 T-shirts at $100 a piece versus selling 50,000 and 250,000 units respectively.  Nobody said anyone had to buy one.

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Is this like the In & Out waves in Tahiti from Endless Summer?

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First peak stopped working when they expanded the jetty... Someone should inform her that she's mistaken.

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 If they wanted to use a model for the wave.  The Wedge in Newport Beach CA It is also a mutant wave created by refraction. 

nearly 40 years ago in Jensen Beach at the power plant sea water intake was a corregated steel jetty that the piping was laid below. It had very nice refractive wave and being solid, blocked the wind from what ever direction it was blowing, itw removed after the intake was completed, the site of my first sting ray hit

I did a casual, almost ernest, search for pictures of the "old" south jetty set-up, with no luck. A lot of the "younger" folks take the "changed over time" statements as being in reference to their own lifetimes, not the past 40+ years that us "old timers" reference.

I remember some "old days", with particular swells, where the set-up/line-up was right next to the jetty; where-in you'd have to just about push off of the rocks with your feet in order to not get crunched.



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shapewright, still miss the "The Metal Jetty" broke good on both sides, depending on swell or windswell direction and wind! We used to camp out there.

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Edited: 04/25/2015 at 04:40 AM by Lounge-A-Rama

Marty Smetanka at the "Metal Jetty" mid 70's [IMG][/IMG][IMG]https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10201029828134308&set=o.50649093639[/IMG]

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If I do not answer you .... nothing personal, I just have you on ignore.

I have an aireal view of the 'old' Jetty and inlet from back in the day.

The old Jetty allowed sand to move through it north to south into the inlet on the other side.

The channel from the aireal photo is right next to the south jetty and there is a bank of sand on the south side of the north Jetty.

I think they must have rebuilt the jetty so that sand would not build up in the channel.

BUT... now they spend Millions every year pumping sand from somewherelse to replenish the beaches south of the inlet.

Why not fix the Jetty, let the sand back through it, and spend the same money clearing the channel and pump that sand down south?

 

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Jetties are made so water can pass through, which lessens impact. Wouldn't a reflective panel exponentially increase the load on the jetty itself?



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Science! 

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Jetties are typically not made so water can pass through them, those types of structures are called "piers".  Jetties are constructed with various semi-permebale to impermeable layers (outside to inside) of armor stone, substrate and/or sheet pile to dissipate initial wave forces but then withstand hurricane force winds, waves, and currents.  Fort Pierce, Boyton Inlet, Palm Beach Inlet, Ponce Inlet and nearly everyone other jetty in Florida as a solid impermeable core.  Sebastian Inlet too has a solid impermeable core that has a very low freeboard, typically submerged at high tide.  This solid core is what used to cause the reflections back in the day before the outer pilings were installed along the crib structure.  We at the First Peak Project do not condone nor suggest it but the interior core of north jetty at Sebastian Inlet is walkable durfing low tides.  Take a look at it next time you paddle out there.  

The reflective panels would have a very low relief only being about three to four feet high and placed at the base of the jetty being about centered vertically on static water level or mean sea level (depending on your preferred frame of reference).  During medium to high tides they would be completely submerged.  Therefore, the largest wave that could resolve any forces on the panels would then be a four foot wave.  Impact loads from four foot waves range in the 10^3 kPa range.  The jetty and pier structure is designed to be overtopped by waves greater than 15 feet during hurriance conditions, and which the jetty has survived many times over the past decade. During hurricane and winter storm conditions, storm surges range from 4 to 24 feet meaning the reflective panels would be safely underwater. The structurally reinforced concrete piles at Sebastian Inlet are capable of impact loads greater than Mega-pascals. In other words, the jetty wouldn't even know that reflective panels were there, it wouldn't feel them in a million-billion years.

 

 

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www.firstpeak.org

Edited: 08/25/2016 at 03:44 PM by TheFirstPeakProject

Core?

I used to walk the rocks under the jetty at low tide on flat days to get hooks and lures back in the 70's. There was no core, it if was there, it was under the rocks and well below the waterline. The concrete under the first third of the current jetty is the old jetty; the new one was built on top.

And if you don't mind, I have a few more questions.

1) If the reflector is submerged at mid tide, what happens to the wave form?

2) When wave get larger, they break farther out; the 1:7 deal. You say no wave over four feet will impact it, but what happens when the larger swells break before they reach the jetty? This is nature, there are no real rules.

3) What material do you plan on using?



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Cole. Unfortunately things have changed since the 1970s.  We'd love to go back and surf it back then. You had the wedge in the good days.

Nowadays there's a core. We're launching the new website in a couple weeks.  We'll post some pictures for you. We've walked almost to the end of the jetty underneath. Either one of us is seriously on some good acid or godzilla ate all the rocks under the jetty.

The material we plan on using is something called Phragmatopoma caudata. Google it.

 

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The First Peak Project is a 501(c)(3) public benefit organization whose mission is to restore the legendary wave First Peak at Sebastian Inlet to its former glory. 

 

www.firstpeak.org

The core must have been added when the new jetty was built, but you are missing my point: There was no core when the waves were good.

Worm rock? You are going to attach worm rock to the jetty? I am seriously missing something here, can you post a direct link to your site?

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Edited: 08/26/2016 at 05:36 AM by Cole

The jetty is deftly lacking Phragmatopoma caudata AKA worm rock. more of this between the pilings would help create the bounce.

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Yes Tiptime!  Now this is exactly what we're talking about.  Let's bounce.

 

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The First Peak Project is a 501(c)(3) public benefit organization whose mission is to restore the legendary wave First Peak at Sebastian Inlet to its former glory. 

 

www.firstpeak.org

The beach nourishments ( to the N and to the S) and channel dredging have done as much if not more to affect the wave than the jetty rebuild.

Another angle that needs research.

Water Quality: The worm rock is a filter feeder. No secret the water quality is not what it use to be. How does this affect the worm rock growth? Are the algae blooms in the river affecting the growth or the food supply? Does the dredging of the channel or the Sebastian river have an impact?


That being said, what is the normal growth rate for worm rock in ideal conditions.

Would be an interesting research project for an FIT grad student.

matt_t.  We humbly suggest that you go to the Sebastian Inlet Tax District Website and read about the channel dredging and sand management that takes place annually at Sebastian Inlet.  Sebastian is a stable inlet meaning it cleans itself regularly (not needing a pump house like other Florida Inlets).  Therefore it's been in a state of equilibrium over the past 10 to 15 years (since the north jetty renovations and extension).  This is scientific proof that dredging and sand management was/is NOT responsible for the disappearance of First Peak.

First Peak was a WEDGE WAVE created by wave energy reflection from the jetty.  This reflected wave created FIRST PEAK.  In a way (and we know the peanut gallery will try and have a field day with this statement): Inlet sand management and dredging really has little or nothing to do with the wedge disappearing.

Sebastian Inlet Tax District Inlet Management Projects

 

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The First Peak Project is a 501(c)(3) public benefit organization whose mission is to restore the legendary wave First Peak at Sebastian Inlet to its former glory. 

 

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The link you provided has a detailed history of all the dredging and nearby nourishment projects both N, S and W of the inlet. From what I remembered and read, I disagree with your statement that the inlet is in state of equilibrium. The district's management plan attempts to forecast the constant changes in the morphology of the system.
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The Sand flow W in the bridge does affect what goes on out front. As well, we dump a few million cubic yrds of sand to the N.. its going to have an affect on the sandbars on the N side of the jetty & just offshore. We now dump more sand more frequently.. It chokes the system out to a certain extent. It's shallower to the E and NE. Monster Hole is shallower.


I do wonder how the extension and the new T section have affected the whole system as well. There use to be a pile of rocks out at the end. On rare days it would break in front of the tip. I have a vision ingrained in my memory of Hartley, back in the 90s', backdooring an overhead barrel 50ft off the tip. Those days seem gone.

I agree with you generally, the changes in jetty have not helped. I just believe there is much more to it than just the jetty itself.

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Concrete? this is what you wrote:

Sebastian Inlet too has a solid impermeable core that has a very low freeboard, typically submerged at high tide. This solid core is what used to cause the reflections back in the day before the outer pilings were installed along the crib structure.

Here is my response:

Core?

I used to walk the rocks under the jetty at low tide on flat days to get hooks and lures back in the 70's. There was no core, it if was there, it was under the rocks and well below the waterline. The concrete under the first third of the current jetty is the old jetty; the new one was built on top.


And this is from you:

Nowadays there's a core. We're launching the new website in a couple weeks. We'll post some pictures for you. We've walked almost to the end of the jetty underneath. Either one of us is seriously on some good acid or godzilla ate all the rocks under the jetty.

In closing: There are still just rocks under the jetty, as there were rocks under the jetty when the waves were good. That dynamic hasn't changed. There has to be another factor as to the loss of the rebound and I'm saying that has to be factrored in as well.



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1st peak was going down hill even before the jetty was redone. From old pics, conversations with some of the original crew it was best when MT, GP, Greg Loehr, Gary Chapman, Dick Catri where controlling the peak There are several old surf mag articles that had some great pics...one article by MT titled "I Love Cocoa Beach" but all the pics where the inlet...I think one shot was Fletcher Sharpe doing a bottom turn a on a big ole peak...also a bunch of pics of MT. You would notice how "open" the peak was and thick. Another mag article was "Florida in 250 Words or Less" ....I think GP was the main author on that one. That article had a couple insane pics of FP, one perfect one of Buzzy Foye, there was also a huge Monster Hole shot of Dick Catri..way overhead and great shape. There was also one pic taken from the bridge of a single perfect thick top to bottom peak, it was shifted north a little(from longer interval swell) ,relatively close to the beach, know one out. One other pictorial was calling it "Morning Side Drive" with pics of JC, GL, Doug Wright...not sure if pics were Pope or Alan Margolis. Again the wave quality and thickness were quite evident. It was much deeper everywhere then. Monster Hole "reef" was contained and didn't break unless there was decent swell and lower tide. FP broke much closer to the beach and would hold a bigger swell with more north angle. Over time more and more sand accumulated on the north side (especially after heavy north wind/swell events in shorter time frames). Shallower depth along the jetty caused the waves to refract into the jetty at a sharper angle which then caused a sharper rebound wave. This caused it to "over wedge", often to the point of becoming a useless POS wave. The key characteristic is the angle at the intersection of the main wave and the rebound. A optimum angle (looking from above) might be ~ 135 degrees.....now if the angle closed to 90 degrees it just pinches to much, and if you continue reducing the angle you end up with backwash. I'd say there are multiple factors in the demise of first peak. One less obvious one would be Monster Hole expanding shallower bottom which could be pulling some energy away from the north side as well as possibly aggravating/reducing the angle that the waves hits the jetty. To summarize: to much sand, to shallow everywhere, new jetty absorbs more than rebounds, the north leg at the end of the jetty. Not sure if the angle of the new jetty changed but the would have a major impact as well. The new jetty was really just the final nail in the coffin.

Make Inlet great again.



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That was a bit painful to watch! 4 to the shore!

I am almost glad my heat did not make it in. It is cool though when you watch this and see how far contest surfing has changed. Would be nice to have some events at the inlet again.

Excalibur Cup

Stubbies Surf Trails

Seacow contests

O Neill event

Florida Pro

P.S.A.A. contests and a lot more. Used to have loads of solid events.

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I think Matt_T and grdsurf are more accurate than the original poster, No scientific proof but the whole area, from way south of M-hole and on the North side 1st peak has more sand.  Simply put to help the situation would you not have to dredge the entire area?  Longshore drift may have caused it to build up, it will again.  I hope I am wrong but I see no way to permit and fund a massive dredge program and as long as the boats can get out Gov is not going to spend huge sums of $$$ to dredge the break for a better surfing wave.  BTW You may want to give some better eamples of solving the problem on the landing page of your site too much text but no Possible Solutions, Good Luck!

NO DREDGING

 

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www.firstpeak.org

Edited: 12/08/2016 at 02:59 PM by TheFirstPeakProject

Why all this talk about sand?  Our team at the FPP has an array of expertise in dredging, sand management, inlet management, erosion and accretion.  Stop worrying about sand.  We got this yo.

 

Furthermore Watson, Sebastian Inlet has a very established sand management plan.  Their annual budget is near the 8-figure mark.  The USACE and the Florida Institute of Technology working in concert with the Sebastian Inlet Tax District are very involved in the continued success of the inlet sand management. They got this yo.

 

We are proposing to restore the reflection.  This is a wave mechanic phenomenon in relation to the pilings and structure of the jetty.  Wedge waves like Caldera in Costa Rica, Newport Wedge in California, and Rancho Santana, Nicaragua are all created by reflecting waves from a cliff or jetty.

 

And Yes , sands moves around here and there at all these spots.  Sometimes these waves are really good, sometimes they are really bad, all contingent upon the sand.  Who cares?  Even Pipeline Hawaii changes every year with the sand.  BUT WHO CARES!?!!?  People still surf it, hold contests, and get totally shacked!!!!

 

Increasing the reflection at Sebastian Inlet and restoring the wedge will increase the inlet's natural sand bypassing.  It's a huge WIN for inlet sand management.  Bring back the wedge, we all win, yo.

 

So stop talking about sand.  Focus people.  Focus. Yo.

 

 

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The First Peak Project is a 501(c)(3) public benefit organization whose mission is to restore the legendary wave First Peak at Sebastian Inlet to its former glory. 

 

www.firstpeak.org

Edited: 12/08/2016 at 03:04 PM by TheFirstPeakProject

Like sands through the hourglass,

so are the Days of Our Lives...

(cue music please)

 

 

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I'll continue with the Devil's advocate:

1) The jetty has much more structure than it used to, so by using your line of thought, shouldn't the wave be better now than it ever was (more stuff to create refraction)?

2) If the sand has filled to the point that the bathymetry of the area has changed, won't that have an effect on the wave too? If it is shallow farther out, doesn't the wave break before it can refract.



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Yeah cole,

Project to start dumping sand on the S side again very soon. 30k cubic yrds.
If the system was in equilibrium, this would not be necessary.


1. PROJECT DESCRIPTION
The Sebastian Inlet District is seeking competitive bids for the mechanical excavation of
approximately 30,000 cubic yards of stockpiled sand from the Dredge Material Management
Area (DMMA) facility located on the north side of the State Park. Excavated material will be
placed on the beach as a dune feature south of the inlet between FDEP monuments R-10 and
R-17.
2. LOCATION OF PROJECT
The project will be executed within Sebastian Inlet State Park property and along both public and
private beach property south of the Inlet. Work areas and boundaries are delineated within the
project drawings.
Construction access will be carefully coordinated between the awarded BIDDER and OWNER.
The contractor will take full responsibility to restore all work areas to pre-existing conditions.
3. TIME OF COMPLETION
Proper placement of material can proceed until the beginning of marine turtle nesting season on
February 28, 2017.

If you watch the slater 1988 video posted by Cole.. Where they are catching those waves is now buried under 10 ft of dry sand and probably 100ft west of where the shoreline resides today.

My simple observations after surfing the inlet for 40 years and specifically the quality of the first peak wedge are: Lots of sand/extended beach = "over wedge" = bad; deep/small beach = open peak, good wedge angle = good; Swell angle and period are critical as well; North swell = "over wedge" = bad; East/South East swell = "open wedge" (wider angle) = good; The longer the interval the more northerly angle it could handle and still be rideable. A long interval east/southeast swell(usually from tropical cyclone) would create the best first peak. It would be even better on more southerly angle, but those angles are blocked by the Bahama shadow. the longer interval would create mechanical wedges and would also shift first peak a little further away from the jetty(to the north) due to the increased timing. Its not just how much reflection/rebound that the jetty creates, it's also the angle that the reflection/rebound comes off of the jetty. Even when the inlet was in it's prime a steeply angle north swell did not produce useful first peak wedges. the beach was tiny in the 70's/80's compared to today...it is totally different. In the "old" days the sand made a huge difference, maybe the mechanics of the sand are different now ......when there was a lot of sand it would "over wedge" and close out for good measure ...total junk.

As a practicing coastal engineer that surfs, I am always thrilled to see how great of an understanding of coastal dynamics the average surfer has just from being in the water.  The reason I went into this profession was so I could apply what I observed in the water with practical engineering and science.  That being said, everyone posting thier opinions here has very valid points.  I strongly recommend that everyone attend the annual "State of the Inlet" presentation by Dr. Zarillo and the SBI Tax District.  You will be amazed at how much information is already out there. You pay into this as a tax payer, might as well go get educated.

But all this being said, the very basic question comes down to finances.  The inlet is designed and maintained as a navigation project - period.  While the 2nd light project is noble and has some valid points, the true question is who will pay for these "improvements"?  T shirt sales won't cut it, and the average taxpayer will certainly balk at it.  No one in thier right mind can logically support this from a financial point of view.

So I challenge The Second Light Project to talk about funding and how they plan on financing what could be a mult-million dollar project on public property.

not just tshirts, but tshirts and bumper stickers!

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I troll 2L.com to be a better person in real life

One honest question and another just for fun: When and where is the next scheduled presentation by Dr. Zarillo? Also, what is The Second Light Project? :-)

Thank you Ppeterson for your comments. This is the good stuff!  The team at the First Peak Project has decades of experience in coastal management, dredging and surfing science.  We have some exciting solutions that are practical and inexpensive as well as very beneficial to the local ecology and economy.  In the past, we've also had positive responses from the USACE concerning our natural sand bypassing initiatives proposed for Sebastian Inlet.

The FPP website is designed to be a forum for a mature, educated and thoughtful discussion to move the project forward.  If anyone on the 2nd Light forum is serious about learning more or would like to participate in the FPP, then we cordially invite you to subscribe to our newsletter and join the conversation on our website.

On our website we use the discussion platform Disqus, which means users will have to submit their REAL NAMES and credentials, hopefully inspiring people to contribute credible information and thoughtful commentary about the project. Disqus also integrates with many other surfing media outlets on the web and social media.

The FPP is a real opportunity and we're not here to waste anyone's time.

 

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The First Peak Project is a 501(c)(3) public benefit organization whose mission is to restore the legendary wave First Peak at Sebastian Inlet to its former glory. 

 

www.firstpeak.org

If you can convince the Army Core that you need to screw things into their navigational jetty, you should to move to K-street in DC. You will be one hell of a lobbyist.

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I was right.

As soon as Trump takes office, we're heading to DC.

Who's coming with us?

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The First Peak Project is a 501(c)(3) public benefit organization whose mission is to restore the legendary wave First Peak at Sebastian Inlet to its former glory. 

 

www.firstpeak.org