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Topic Title: Clapper concludes Russian influence gave Trump the win
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Created On: 05/23/2018 06:56 PM
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 Clapper concludes Russian influence gave Trump the win   - 3rdworldlover - 05/23/2018 06:56 PM  
 Clapper claims 80k votes altered to give Trump win   - fishkller - 05/23/2018 07:28 PM  
 Clapper claims 80k votes altered to give Trump win   - RustyTruck - 05/23/2018 07:44 PM  
 Clapper claims 80k votes altered to give Trump win   - damonsharp - 05/24/2018 04:01 AM  
 Clapper claims 80k votes altered to give Trump win   - Fish Killer - 05/24/2018 04:19 AM  
 Clapper claims 80k votes altered to give Trump win   - Bamboo - 05/24/2018 04:39 AM  
 Clapper claims 80k votes altered to give Trump win   - Fish Killer - 05/24/2018 04:42 AM  
 Clapper claims 80k votes altered to give Trump win   - Cosmicviking - 05/24/2018 04:44 AM  
 Clapper claims 80k votes altered to give Trump win   - tom - 05/24/2018 04:51 AM  
 Clapper claims 80k votes altered to give Trump win   - Cosmicviking - 05/24/2018 04:56 AM  
 Clapper claims 80k votes altered to give Trump win   - Cole - 05/24/2018 05:13 AM  
 Clapper claims 80k votes altered to give Trump win   - Cosmicviking - 05/24/2018 05:24 AM  
 Clapper claims 80k votes altered to give Trump win   - Cole - 05/24/2018 05:28 AM  
 Clapper claims 80k votes altered to give Trump win   - Cosmicviking - 05/24/2018 05:37 AM  
 Clapper claims 80k votes altered to give Trump win   - Fish Killer - 05/24/2018 05:39 AM  
 Clapper claims 80k votes altered to give Trump win   - miker - 05/24/2018 05:39 AM  
 Clapper claims 80k votes altered to give Trump win   - Cole - 05/24/2018 05:42 AM  
 Clapper claims 80k votes altered to give Trump win   - Cole - 05/24/2018 05:44 AM  
 Clapper claims 80k votes altered to give Trump win   - miker - 05/24/2018 06:11 AM  
 Clapper claims 80k votes altered to give Trump win   - scombrid - 05/24/2018 06:33 AM  
 Clapper claims 80k votes altered to give Trump win   - miker - 05/24/2018 07:07 AM  
 Clapper claims 80k votes altered to give Trump win   - scombrid - 05/24/2018 07:11 AM  
 Clapper claims 80k votes altered to give Trump win   - miker - 05/24/2018 07:18 AM  
 Clapper claims 80k votes altered to give Trump win   - worksuxgetsponsered - 05/24/2018 07:28 AM  
 Clapper claims 80k votes altered to give Trump win   - miker - 05/24/2018 07:32 AM  
 Clapper claims 80k votes altered to give Trump win   - worksuxgetsponsered - 05/24/2018 07:36 AM  
 Clapper claims 80k votes altered to give Trump win   - 3rdworldlover - 05/24/2018 09:02 AM  
 Clapper claims 80k votes altered to give Trump win   - Cole - 05/24/2018 02:41 PM  
 Clapper claims 80k votes altered to give Trump win   - Cosmicviking - 05/24/2018 06:13 AM  
 Clapper claims 80k votes altered to give Trump win   - Cole - 05/24/2018 06:16 AM  
 Clapper claims 80k votes altered to give Trump win   - miker - 05/24/2018 05:37 AM  
 Clapper claims 80k votes altered to give Trump win   - scombrid - 05/24/2018 06:31 AM  
 Clapper claims 80k votes altered to give Trump win   - miker - 05/24/2018 06:39 AM  
 Clapper claims 80k votes altered to give Trump win   - scombrid - 05/24/2018 07:07 AM  
 Clapper concludes Russian influence gave Trump the win   - miker - 05/24/2018 07:15 AM  
 Clapper concludes Russian influence gave Trump the win   - scombrid - 05/24/2018 07:45 AM  
 Clapper concludes Russian influence gave Trump the win   - miker - 05/24/2018 07:49 AM  
 Clapper claims 80k votes altered to give Trump win   - scombrid - 05/24/2018 07:10 AM  
 Clapper concludes Russian influence gave Trump the win   - miker - 05/24/2018 07:16 AM  
 Clapper claims 80k votes altered to give Trump win   - scombrid - 05/24/2018 07:42 AM  
 Clapper claims 80k votes altered to give Trump win   - RustyTruck - 05/24/2018 06:34 AM  
 Clapper claims 80k votes altered to give Trump win   - Cosmicviking - 05/24/2018 06:37 AM  
 Clapper claims 80k votes altered to give Trump win   - Cosmicviking - 05/24/2018 06:39 AM  
 Clapper claims 80k votes altered to give Trump win   - 3rdworldlover - 05/24/2018 07:05 AM  
 Clapper concludes Russian influence gave Trump the win   - RustyTruck - 05/24/2018 07:44 AM  
 Clapper concludes Russian influence gave Trump the win   - RustyTruck - 05/24/2018 07:56 AM  
 Clapper concludes Russian influence gave Trump the win   - worksuxgetsponsered - 05/24/2018 08:02 AM  
 Clapper concludes Russian influence gave Trump the win   - johnny - 05/24/2018 08:17 AM  
 Clapper concludes Russian influence gave Trump the win   - obx2 - 05/24/2018 08:47 AM  
 Clapper concludes Russian influence gave Trump the win   - HAPDigital - 05/24/2018 08:26 AM  
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RustyTruck

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Comicviking is unencumbered by facts. Clapper's quote is reasonable in context.

http://www.miamiherald.com/new...article200660314.html

Russian syndicate duped Trump supporters into organizing Florida rallies, feds say

A sophisticated and clandestine Russian outfit that attempted to sow political discord through phony social media and grassroots campaigns has been indicted by a federal grand jury on charges related to a series of pro-Trump rallies held in South Florida and around the country during the summer before the 2016 presidential election.

Federal authorities say 13 executives of the Internet Research Agency used stolen identities and U.S.-based email addresses to organize and fund political events designed to promote Donald Trump and tear down Hillary Clinton. The indictment, signed by U.S. Special Counsel Robert Mueller, describes the efforts of a well-organized, St. Petersburg, Russia, syndicate.

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 05/24/2018 06:37 AM
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Originally posted by: RustyTruck Comicviking is unencumbered by facts. Clapper's quote is reasonable in context. http://www.miamiherald.com/new...article200660314.html Russian syndicate duped Trump supporters into organizing Florida rallies, feds say A sophisticated and clandestine Russian outfit that attempted to sow political discord through phony social media and grassroots campaigns has been indicted by a federal grand jury on charges related to a series of pro-Trump rallies held in South Florida and around the country during the summer before the 2016 presidential election. Federal authorities say 13 executives of the Internet Research Agency used stolen identities and U.S.-based email addresses to organize and fund political events designed to promote Donald Trump and tear down Hillary Clinton. The indictment, signed by U.S. Special Counsel Robert Mueller, describes the efforts of a well-organized, St. Petersburg, Russia, syndicate.

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Cosmicviking

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Rusty, you are unencumbered by reality. 

 05/24/2018 07:05 AM
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3rdworldlover

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I've altered my original post, since Clapper didn't exactly say that votes were altered, and I also misinterpreted Woodruff's comment.

Here's the transcript:
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/sh...r-believes#transcript

Judy Woodruff:
One of the things you write very - or have spoken about, I should say, in addition to writing about it very candidly is how you have concluded after what happened in 2016 that the Russians not only affected - tried to affect the election, but you said they actually did affect the outcome.

James Clapper:
Yes.

Judy Woodruff:
What did you mean?

James Clapper:

Well, first, I need to make clear that, when we did our formal intelligence community assessment in January of 2017, we didn't make any call at all about whether the Russians affected the outcome of the election. We didn't have the authority, charter or capability to do that.

Since I left the government, though, as a private citizen, it's what I would call my informed opinion that, given the massive effort the Russians made, and the number of citizens that they touched, and the variety and the multidimensional aspects of what they did to influence opinion and affect the election, and given the fact that it turned on less than 80,000 votes in three states, to me, it just exceeds logic and credulity that they didn't affect the election, and it's my belief they actually turned it.

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