Kill it in March. Kill it now. It still dies before it spawns. What matters from a population standpoint is total annual mortality and spawning stock biomass. Fishing "spawners" becomes bad for the population when the spawners aggregate and become super vulnerable to over-harvest. Think netters wiping out entire aggregations of redfish or gag. Mini-season during the summer is probably the least likely to be affected by adverse weather. Barring a tropical disturbance it tends to be a lot calmer out there this time of year than during time of year when fronts are rolling through every week. It isn't called Lake Atlantic for nothing right now while a million people grovel at NSI because it isn't breaking anywhere else. Damonsharp already wrote it. Industry driven. Biologists don't make the rules or open/close the seasons. Political appointees do. Personally, I think the spawning stock biomass is still too low to justify opening up. The population is rebuilding nicely but it isn't there yet. Biologists would be managing this population for maximum sustainable yield which would mean we would be fishing them yet and especially not right now.

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Edited: 07/18/2019 at 06:45 AM by scombrid

Typical SCUMBIRD BULLSHIT!

This is EXACTLY WHY YOU SUCK SOOOOOO BAD!

Did it EVER occur to you to kill them RIGHT AFTER THEY SPAWN???

Maximize the fertilized egg stock????

You're a WASTE OF FLESH....SCUMBIRD!



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Biologists give SHITTY advice that those Politicians use to pull the shit that they just did!

AND...Those Biologists get PAID to give that SHITTY ADVICE!

Biologists just like YOUR SHITTY ASS are the PROBLEM!

MORON!

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I'm sure Gary Niclaus puts his PhD in fish population dynamics to good use while sitting on the commission.

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Yeah, nobody ever considered egg per recruit before.

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If you are so worried about mortality during the spawning season, maybe you should advocate for area closures that prohibit all bottom fishing where by-kill could occur. I bet that would go over well. These people that are bitching about the season being now would be bitching if the season was in March and they got blown out by a Nor'easter. They're going to bitch regardless. Because of people like them I think we should throw off all rules and just let things run their course. I'm sure they'll all do the right thing.

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YUP!

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Zzzzzzz.. Zzzzzzz.. Braaaaaapp!

Zzzzzzzzzzzzzz....

^^^must be the 2nd smartest lib on here, the 1st is already taken!

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That's a great idea! It would definitely weed out some of the masses.

Although the best Marlin bite in Panama is December- Feb, in nasty conditions and people still pay big $ booking rooms years in advance..... Eff that, I'll take my mini-400lb marlins in May..

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And besides that. I think we've pretty well established that this season isn't set to be biologically optimal.

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If you don't want to kill them while they are spawning, don't fish for them.

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I was right.

Damn right it isn't the biologists calling the shots on this. Industry (commercial sportfishing, or what some people call charters, and the boat and tackle manufacturers) is driving this. There's people out there actually arguing that this species is worth more money at lower abundance with more boats running than with a fully rebuilt population and higher harvest. They are arguing in favor of "Maximum Sustainable Access" instead of "Maximum Sustainable Yield" as being Optimum for fisheries like this. This dopey little season is a compromise.

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" If you don't want to kill them while they are spawning, don't fish for them"

YUP!



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Edited: 07/18/2019 at 10:06 AM by fishkller

THAT ALREADY OCCURS!

MORON!

As for your SHITTY EXCUSE....IT"S A SHITTY EXCUSE!

It doesn't flush!

Killing massive egg producing females at the height of spawning is what MORONS DO!

The biologists are the ones suggesting that the Politicians DO IT!

IT"S YOU!

ASSHOLE!

FACT!

MORON!

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Edited: 07/18/2019 at 10:08 AM by Fish Killer

I know people who wanted Trump to open the season on the East like he did in the gulf. Now they blame the scientists. Stupidity at the highest order.

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I was right.

The scientists ARE TO BLAME!

They're the ones who STATED....'DO IT'!

All the politicians did was follow the exact recommendations of the BIOLOGISTS!

It's SHIT like THIS that Politicians follow!

FACT!



MORON!

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Edited: 07/18/2019 at 10:13 AM by Fish Killer

But you have no issue with Trump opening the season on his own?

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I was right.

Trump said to open it...he didnt say when or for how long!

ASSHOLE!

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-They are both card carrying narcissists.
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Trump opened it in June for an additional 39 days.



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I was right.

Fish Killer, your problem here appears to be with knowledge, not the rules, not the survival of the fish.

All science and scientists do is present findings, as they clearly have re: when snapper spawn. In fact, I'd say the biologist have given incredible insight into when and where red snapper spawn, down to amount and hours. For that, they're pretty poorly paid.

They don't make laws. They don't tell you or me to participate