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 02/15/2019 01:12 PM
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3rdworldlover

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Arizona paper anomaly explained:

The author is John Lott, well known for fudging the numbers for the NRA, favorite talking head on Fox News in the wake of every mass shooting.

Academic transgressions include fabrication of entire surveys, presenting faulty regressions, creating false online personas to support his work, and a long history of false claims and statistics in his articles and tv appearances.
 02/15/2019 01:19 PM
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Sniper

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Originally posted by: 3rdworldlover

Arizona paper anomaly explained:



The author is John Lott, well known for fudging the numbers for the NRA, favorite talking head on Fox News in the wake of every mass shooting.



Academic transgressions include fabrication of entire surveys, presenting faulty regressions, creating false online personas to support his work, and a long history of false claims and statistics in his articles and tv appearances.


So, what speciifically is this person disputing about his study? If they can't say what they are disputing but rely on generalities then that doesn't count.

I really just posted that as an example that you can basically find a study to support just about anything you want.

The DOJ/DHS stats should tell most people what they need to cool.

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Edited: 02/15/2019 at 01:22 PM by Sniper
 02/15/2019 01:34 PM
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The one study you found to support the belief that illegal immigrants increase the crime rate was by a guy known for fudging the numbers. The flaws in his paper have been identified. The overall academic concensus is that undocumented immigrants commit fewer crimes than the general population.
 02/15/2019 01:38 PM
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Sniper

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Originally posted by: 3rdworldlover

The one study you found to support the belief that illegal immigrants increase the crime rate was by a guy known for fudging the numbers. The flaws in his paper have been identified. The overall academic concensus is that undocumented immigrants commit fewer crimes than the general population.


What numbers did he fudge? Since when does one Cato study equal concensus?

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 02/15/2019 01:44 PM
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InfoWars says one thing, NYtimes says another. What's a guy to do?
 02/15/2019 01:53 PM
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Originally posted by: Sniper

Originally posted by: 3rdworldlover



The one study you found to support the belief that illegal immigrants increase the crime rate was by a guy known for fudging the numbers. The flaws in his paper have been identified. The overall academic concensus is that undocumented immigrants commit fewer crimes than the general population.




What numbers did he fudge? Since when does one Cato study equal concensus?




Lott wasn't able to justify his method of identifying the immigration status of his data sampling. Also, given his record, it's likely he manipulated his data elsewhere.

I cited four studies, not just one.

A freedom of information request was just filed, requires the Whitehouse to produce the data Trump claimed to use to support the national emergency. I'll hold my breath.

http://www.lawfareblog.com/doe...nnouncement-even-exist

Edited: 02/15/2019 at 01:54 PM by 3rdworldlover
 02/15/2019 02:15 PM
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Cole

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Originally posted by: tpapablo

Originally posted by: johnnyboy

He hasn't outsmarted anyone. He's more slick than smart and that doesn't work in the light. This will create a new way of doing things that the gop will cry foul over once they establish this new precedent.


If dems want to impose the dictatorship that they have been wanting for years now by this means, we will deal with it then.


If Democrats use this method it's a dictatorship, even though Trump is already doing it?

Really?



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 02/15/2019 04:28 PM
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Originally posted by: RustyTruck

Oh no, I'm cool with it. It will be very useful in the future with this precedent set.



GND/ M4A!


yo rustdog, oblama performed 13 of those, so?
 02/15/2019 05:34 PM
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None fake like this, but I'm all for it. Climate change is a real emergency, and we will play that card. I hope it stands.

I don't give a shit about the military budget.

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 02/15/2019 06:32 PM
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Originally posted by: Sniper Name one hurricane or tornado that murdered 3,000 Americans citizens and sexually assaulted 40,000 more last year.
I'm going to assume that you are trying to say that 3000 people were murdered and 40000 sexual assaults were committed by illegal aliens last year and the wall will stop that.If those numbers are true then how many murders were committed by the illegals that just overstayed their visas or came by sea or thru an area that wouldn't be covered by a wall? And how many sexual assaults were committed by guys who thought it was ok to "Just grab them by the pussy" and how is a wall or this president going to stop that?

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 02/15/2019 06:36 PM
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And I wonder how many of those murders could have been prevented by stricter gun control laws, like a waiting period and background check to verify that you're not selling a gun to an illegal

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 02/15/2019 06:39 PM
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Originally posted by: Sniper
Originally posted by: 3rdworldlover Here's another: The homicide conviction rate for illegal immigrants was 16 percent below that of native-born Americans in Texas in 2015. The conviction rates for illegal immigrants were 7.9 percent and 77 percent below that of native-born Americans for sex crimes and larceny, respectively. For all criminal convictions in Texas in 2015, illegal immigrants had a criminal conviction rate 50 percent below that of native-born Americans. Legal immigrants had a criminal conviction rate 66 percent below that of native-born Americans. ">">

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And a study has been released in Arizona, which states that illegals are 142% more likely to be convicted of a crime than American citizens. If we have a group of people that represent 3% of the overall population but 20%+ of the prison population, as reported by DHS and DOJ, then how can you say they are less likely than U.S. citizens to commit crime? I don't care what one report says about what happened only in Texas and only in 2015.
How many of those crimes are the result of not having the right papers?

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 02/15/2019 07:04 PM
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If there is a national emergency, why is he heading to Mar-a-Lago?
 02/15/2019 07:17 PM
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Cole

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Originally posted by: HAPDigital

If there is a national emergency, why is he heading to Mar-a-Lago?


Exactly. The guy is an absolute idiot.

The 3,000 killed by illegals is a bullshit lie. Pathetic.



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 02/17/2019 05:44 AM
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HAPDigital

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Looks like our troops will bite the bullet for this wall, if it happens. That's the one place they shouldn't be dipping into.
 02/17/2019 02:34 PM
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Originally posted by: tpapablo
Originally posted by: StirfryMcflurry 4 more years? [IMG][/IMG]
More than that. Trump is going to declare himself a dictator, you know.
Did any of you guys actually believe trump when he said Mexico was going to pay for the wall?

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 02/17/2019 04:03 PM
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HAPDigital

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Originally posted by: all3

Originally posted by: tpapablo

Originally posted by: StirfryMcflurry

4 more years? [IMG][/IMG]



More than that. Trump is going to declare himself a dictator, you know.


Did any of you guys actually believe trump when he said Mexico was going to pay for the wall?


Not only did they believe it they still think that Mexico is somehow paying for it. LOL
 02/27/2019 03:05 AM
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Breaking: House votes 245-182 to terminate President Trump's National Emergency Declaration. 13 Republicans voted with all Democrats to pass the measure.

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 02/27/2019 03:54 AM
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Fish Killer

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Originally posted by: jdbman

Breaking: House votes 245-182 to terminate President Trump's National Emergency Declaration. 13 Republicans voted with all Democrats to pass the measure.


...and there is no supermajority.

...do you know what that means?

IDIOT!

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 02/27/2019 03:58 AM
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Fish Killer

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Originally posted by: tom

Trump end run. Now he can tell the base the wall is tied up in court. You know, like his tax returns.




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