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Topic Title: For the non-cultists. Topic Summary: Created On: 11/30/2015 07:57 AM |
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11/30/2015 07:57 AM
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------------------------- I :heart; Q |
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11/30/2015 08:10 AM
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Short Answers to Hard
Questions About Climate Change ------------------------- "The truth is incontrovertible. malice may attack it, ignorance may deride it, but in the end, there it is." -Sir Winston Churchill |
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11/30/2015 08:12 AM
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The like minded Al Gore cultists! ------------------------- Romans 8;18-32 John 3;16-18 |
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11/30/2015 08:19 AM
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I applaud that at least some of those sources are real news, not totally the denialist cult claptrap you generally have posted.
So yea, something for the non-cultists from you, is a welcome change. Kudos. I read the economist one, it was pretty good, I may even read all of them. Maybe even the Spectator one, I've heard of Judith Curry, she was always a snipe from "outside the tribe", and has made a career of whining about it. ------------------------- "The truth is incontrovertible. malice may attack it, ignorance may deride it, but in the end, there it is." -Sir Winston Churchill |
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11/30/2015 08:26 AM
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How did "non" make it into that?
------------------------- "One of the reasons why propaganda tries to get you to hate government is because it's the one existing institution in which people can participate to some extent and constrain tyrannical unaccountable power." Noam Chomsky. |
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11/30/2015 08:26 AM
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OK, maybe I'll take that back.
I read the first one ( a re pasted scribe from some guy named David Siegal) and it was was really bad, full of misinformation about the state of the science. So of course It's been reprinted a lot in the conservative corporate media. Of course it's not from a scientist. But here is a response to it that is the details So this one is definitely from inside the denialist-cult. ------------------------- "The truth is incontrovertible. malice may attack it, ignorance may deride it, but in the end, there it is." -Sir Winston Churchill |
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11/30/2015 08:34 AM
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Thanks for your thoughtful contributions as always, asshole. ------------------------- Wiki wiki |
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11/30/2015 08:39 AM
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""The most important factor driving many people's attitudes to science is not evidence or data but their 'worldviews'; that is their basic beliefs about how the world should be organized. If scientific facts challenge those worldviews, then this may set in motion an effort to deny those inconvenient facts. In the case of climate change, people perceive a threat to free markets that may arise out of mitigation measures, and so if free markets are really important to them, then they will seek to deny that our economic activities change our climate.""
"Given that climate change is one of the most thoroughly established scientific findings of recent decades, and given that contrarian positions do not have any remaining intellectual or scientific respectability, this presents a serious dilemma for people who must deny that climate change is occurring for personal or ideological reasons. One solution is to dismiss all the world's scientists and all reputable scientific institutions by accusing them of being untrustworthy for one reason or another. Another solution is to imagine a giant conspiracy between scientists and governments that invented climate change to raise taxes or create a World Government or whatever. So wherever you look, once you scratch the surface of denial, beneath the veneer of respectability there always is paranoia, an imagined conspiracy, or a political operative." -Cognitive scientist Professor Stephan Lewandowsky of Bristol University ------------------------- "The truth is incontrovertible. malice may attack it, ignorance may deride it, but in the end, there it is." -Sir Winston Churchill |
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11/30/2015 12:11 PM
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I love the way Seigel rants and raves that there is no global warming, then puts this first on his list.
Global warming is real. There very likely is some very small degree of warming attributable to man-made CO2. But we're just as likely to end this century down six degrees as up eight degrees Fahrenheit, and the general skeptic consensus says that this century will look very much like the last -- up about one or two degrees. Nothing we won't be able to handle. People sounding the alarm believe in models that have poor quality inputs and far too many inter-dependencies and uncertainties to be "skillful." Is this the same David Seigel that wants to test college kids for drugs? ------------------------- I was right. |
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