under whose watch did it happen?

ours


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"The truth is incontrovertible.
malice may attack it,
ignorance may deride it,
but in the end,
there it is." -Sir Winston Churchill

yougov

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"The truth is incontrovertible.
malice may attack it,
ignorance may deride it,
but in the end,
there it is." -Sir Winston Churchill

CHUCK TODD: Let me go to Gul Rahman. He was chained to the wall of his cell, doused with water, froze to death in C.I.A. custody. And it turned out it was a case of mistaken identity.
DICK CHENEY: --right. But the problem I had is with the folks that we did release that end up back on the battlefield. [...] I'm more concerned with bad guys who got out and released than I am with a few that, in fact, were innocent.

CHUCK TODD: 25% of the detainees though, 25% turned out to be innocent. They were released.

DICK CHENEY: Where are you going to draw the line, Chuck? How are-- [...]

CHUCK TODD: Is that too high? You're okay with that margin for error?

DICK CHENEY: I have no problem as long as we achieve our objective.

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"The truth is incontrovertible.
malice may attack it,
ignorance may deride it,
but in the end,
there it is." -Sir Winston Churchill

I'd like to be the first to say that each of the Gitmo detainees should have been brought back to the US and distributed throughout various state's penal systems where the imates would have done their own due process by now.  If they had, we wouldn't be having this discussion.

Seems now that the facts are coming out, all of congress knew what was going on.  Only now the dems are simply at a loss to show anything that is viewed as possitive by the majority of the voting public, and have yet again resorted to "Its Bush's fault politics" plain and simple. If only you could see how lame and desperate that is.

Hypocritical bleeding heart progs will never get it.  If we the US, treated these enemies with fairness and compassion while they cut our heads off on TV and mass muder us with terrorist acts, we will lose.  Of that you can be certain. When you're unarmed you're the first to lose too.

What do we gain by airing our dirty laundry to the rest of the world?

If people in our intelligence community acted outside of what they were instructed to do, then handle it behind the scenes and deal with those individuals. Don't incriminate our intelligence community as a whole when they have virutally no voice to defend themselves with, as their employees and work is mostly covert.

You have our government and our intelligence community telling very different accounts as to what they were instructed to do and who knew what. I don't see how further dividing our nation and turning our own intelligence community against us is a good idea.

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"The government who robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul," - George Bernard Shaw

“Don’t underestimate Joe’s ability to f—k things up.” - Barack Obama

“End of quote. Repeat the line.” - wise words from Joe Biden

"What do we gain by airing our dirty laundry to the rest of the world? "

We make sure that it doesn't happen again.


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"The truth is incontrovertible.
malice may attack it,
ignorance may deride it,
but in the end,
there it is." -Sir Winston Churchill

What do we lose by continuing to lie about it? Cheney should be water boarded and forced to admit that he was the mastermind behind 911. With enough time and enhanced tactics, he might die butif he lives he will admit his role or die lying.

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"One of the reasons why propaganda tries to get you to hate government is because it's the one existing institution in which people can participate to some extent and constrain tyrannical unaccountable power." Noam Chomsky.

Depends on what you are referring to by "it".

"it" could refer to gathering intelligence that helps us kill the most wanted man in the world.

Michael Hayden, George J. Tenet, Porter Goss, Jose Rodriguez and Leon Panetta have all said multiple times that enhanced interrogation was without a doubt a critical component of obtaining the information we needed to kill Bin Laden.

Why release this report now? Why release it when we are still at war?

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"The government who robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul," - George Bernard Shaw

“Don’t underestimate Joe’s ability to f—k things up.” - Barack Obama

“End of quote. Repeat the line.” - wise words from Joe Biden

Good Point. Then what's the uproar about Benghazi all about?


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The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness -
John Kenneth Galbraith

That question is probably better suited for the idiot that was so quick to apologize to the Muslim world, in front of the U.N., for a video tape that had nothing to do with it.

The uproar about Benghazi is because there was a terrorist attack on U.S. soil and our government tried to cover it up with a stupid YouTube video that nobody had seen. It might have been the absolute worst attempt at damage-control in human history.

Obama and team was hoping that the American public was dumb enough to be Gruber'd again but this one was even too stupid for most of his "useful idiots".

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"The government who robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul," - George Bernard Shaw

“Don’t underestimate Joe’s ability to f—k things up.” - Barack Obama

“End of quote. Repeat the line.” - wise words from Joe Biden

^^^^^The Faux News Kool Aid response. Low on facts....high on conjecture. Not so fast Cowboy.

Al Queda sympathizer and Benghazi participant speaks

"On the day of the (Benghazi) attack, Islamists in Cairo had staged a demonstration outside the United States Embassy there to protest an American-made online video mocking Islam, and the protest culminated in a breach of the embassy's walls - images that flashed through news coverage around the Arab world."

Initial CIA reports stated that the video MIGHT BE the reason behind the Benghazi attack. The Administration representative stated that to the press. Was the video the SOLE reason behind the attack? Probably not, but was likely a contributor. Faux News talking heads swung into conspiracy theory mode and it was suddenly a "Cover Up". No it wasn't...it was attempting to give the American people their best guess at was going on.

Any more of your myths you want me to explode?

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The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness -
John Kenneth Galbraith

So the Taliban just killed over 140 people, mostly childern, at a Pakistan school, while at roughly the same time a jihadist in Sydney holds hostages and kills two of them.  At what point will will liberals say enough is enough, and agree to deal with these human scum on their terms, with no mercy.  The latest survey says more than half of the nation agrees, which makes bleeding hearts a fading minority. 

You self rightous liberal numbskulls are gobbling this intelligence report up for purely political reasons like it is some kind of last chance defence.  Can't you see you're embarrassing yoursleves? 

Do it again?  When the cause is just, I certainly hope so. After all without a strong and capable common defence, we have no need for a federal government.

Who said anything about showing them mercy? The FACT is physical torture pretty much only works on episodes of "24".

Army Col. Stuart Herrington, a military intelligence specialist who conducted interrogations in Vietnam, Panama and Iraq during Desert Storm, and who was sent by the Pentagon in 2003 -- long before Abu Ghraib -- to assess interrogations in Iraq. Aside from its immorality and its illegality, says Herrington, torture is simply "not a good way to get information." In his experience, nine out of 10 people can be persuaded to talk with no "stress methods" at all, let alone cruel and unusual ones. Asked whether that would be true of religiously motivated fanatics, he says that the "batting average" might be lower: "perhaps six out of ten." And if you beat up the remaining four? "They'll just tell you anything to get you to stop."

Physical Torture is proven to be counterproductive to positively influencing the citizens of the country we're in to cooperate with us.

Then there's that little concern about the bad guys reciprocating on our soldiers.

It has NOTHING to do with a "bleeding heart"! It's just less effective in A LOT of ways than other methods.

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The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness -
John Kenneth Galbraith

The Al Qaeda sympathizer that you refer to in that article is mentally retarded and the statement you put in bold was written by the writer at the New York Times, not anyone who was was there.

In my previous post when I said, "this one was even too stupid for most of his 'useful idiots'". I left the word "most" in there to accomidate people such as yourself, who will buy anything this administration is selling.

Unfortunately, you may have been Gruber'd beyond the point of return.

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"The government who robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul," - George Bernard Shaw

“Don’t underestimate Joe’s ability to f—k things up.” - Barack Obama

“End of quote. Repeat the line.” - wise words from Joe Biden

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"The government who robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul," - George Bernard Shaw

“Don’t underestimate Joe’s ability to f—k things up.” - Barack Obama

“End of quote. Repeat the line.” - wise words from Joe Biden

As in, they may start cutting our heads off or something???? Oh, wait

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"The government who robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul," - George Bernard Shaw

“Don’t underestimate Joe’s ability to f—k things up.” - Barack Obama

“End of quote. Repeat the line.” - wise words from Joe Biden

Sorry, but YOU have been "Faux News'd" again. The FACT remains that, as born out by the previous 8 or so investigations, that the story disseminated by the Administration shortly after the incident was the CIA's early assessment of what occurred. Anything else is just so much more Conservatic Conspiracy political theater. You're much better off sticking with the facts than Faux News conspiracy speak.

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The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness -
John Kenneth Galbraith

Col. Herrington clearly said that conventional interrogation did not work on everyone. You say that there are "A LOT" of more effective ways to get information out of these people. How would you do it? Tickle them? If we tied prisoners down and tickled them for hours, or even days, would you consider that torture?

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"The government who robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul," - George Bernard Shaw

“Don’t underestimate Joe’s ability to f—k things up.” - Barack Obama

“End of quote. Repeat the line.” - wise words from Joe Biden

OMG fact

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"The truth is incontrovertible.
malice may attack it,
ignorance may deride it,
but in the end,
there it is." -Sir Winston Churchill