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10/31/2013 05:14 PM
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Computer Scientists "Prove" God Exists
By Robert Gehl on October 30, 2013 With a huge caveat, computer scientists have proven that God exists. German magazine Spiegel is reporting that a theorem formalized by German mathematician has been proven by a group of computer scientists - on a MacBook. Kurt Gödel, who died in 1978, proposed an interesting theory that a higher being must exist. It's pretty complicated, but here it is in a nutshell: First, God is - by definition - that for which no greater can be achieved. Second, while God exists merely in the understanding of this concept, we could conceive of him as greater if he existed in reality; therefore, he must exist. It's an ontological device, but Gödel had a mathematical formula for this theory - meaning it can be proven. Using an ordinary MacBook, Christoph Benzmüller and Bruno Woltzenlogel Paleo have proven that Gödel's theory is mathematically correct. What's amazing is such a complex mathematical calculation can be completed quickly and easily using a common notebook computer. Above is an image of what is known as Gödel's Ontological Proof. Also for those of you with a few minutes to spare, here's the explanation, courtesy of stackexchange.com The modal operator ? refers to necessity; its dual, ?, refers to possibility. (A sentence is necessarily true iff it isn't possible for it to be false, and vice versa.) P(?) means that ? is a positive (in the sense of "good") property; I'll just transcribe it as "? is good". I'll write out the argument colloquially, with the loss of precision that implies. In particular, the words "possible" and "necessary" are vague, and you need to understand modal logic somewhat to follow their precise usage in this argument. .Axiom 1: If ? is good, and ? forces ? (that is, it's necessarily true that anything with property ? has property ?), then ? is also good. .Axiom 2: For every property ?, exactly one of ? and ¬? is good. (If ¬? is good, we may as well say that ? is bad.) .Theorem 1 (Good Things Happen): If ? is good, then it's possible that something exists with property ?. Proof of Theorem 1: Suppose ? were good, but necessarily nothing had property ?. Then property ? would, vacuously, force every other property; in particular ? would force ¬?. By Axiom 1, this would mean that ¬? was also good; but this would then contradict Axiom 2. .Definition 1: We call a thing godlike when it has every good property. .Axiom 3: Being godlike is good. .Theorem 2 (No Atheism): It's possible that something godlike exists. Proof of Theorem 2: This follows directly from Theorem 1 applied to Axiom 3. .Definition 2: We call property ? the essence of a thing x when (1) x has property ?, and (2) property ? forces every property of x. .Axiom 4: If ? is good, then ? is necessarily good. .Theorem 3 (God Has No Hair): If a thing is godlike, then being godlike is its essence. Proof of Theorem 3: First note that if x is godlike, it has all good properties (by definition) and no bad properties (by Axiom 2). So any property that a godlike thing has is good, and is therefore necessarily good (by Axiom 4), and is therefore necessarily possessed by anything godlike. .Definition 3: We call a thing indispensable when something with its essence (if it has an essence) must exist. .Axiom 5: Being indispensable is good. .Theorem 4 (Yes, Virginia): Something godlike necessarily exists. Proof of Theorem 4: If something is godlike, it has every good property by definition. In particular, it's indispensable, since that's a good property (by Axiom 5); so by definition something with its essence, which is just "being godlike" (by Theorem 3), must exist. In other words, if something godlike exists, then it's necessary for something godlike to exist. But by Theorem 2, it's possible that something godlike exists; so it's possible that it's necessary for something godlike to exist; and so it is, in fact, necessary for something godlike to exist. QED. ------------------------- The REAL truth is....both of the forum idiots are OWNED. -BOTH of them have no clue who their owner is. -They are both card carrying narcissists. ^These are PROVED facts. |
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11/01/2013 06:34 AM
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Science can prove God, but fails at proving man induced climate change.
Got it. ------------------------- I was right. |
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11/01/2013 06:48 AM
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If God exists, FK should be very afraid.
------------------------- “It is the heart of US policy to use fascism to preserve capitalism while claiming to be saving democracy from communism “ - Michael Parenti |
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11/01/2013 06:55 AM
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Why does doing that math make them Morons?
------------------------- "The truth is incontrovertible. malice may attack it, ignorance may deride it, but in the end, there it is." -Sir Winston Churchill |
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11/01/2013 11:07 AM
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I have simplified it: Math works: This really works and will only take you about ten seconds!!!
I am very good at math, so I did it in my head, then on paper, and finally on a calculator just to confirm my numerical capabilities.
Each time I got the same answer, and sure enough it works DO NOT cheat. DO YOUR math, THEN compare the results to the list at the bottom
You will be AMAZED at how scary true and accurate this test is
1. Pick a number from 1-9.
2. Multiply that number by 3.
3. Add 3.
4. Multiply by 3 again.
5. Your total will be a two digit number. Add the first and second digits together to find your favorite film (of all time) in the list of 17 films below:
Movie List: 1. Gone With the Wind 2. E.T. 3. Blazing Saddles 4. Star Wars 5. Forrest Gump 6. The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly 7. Jaws 8. Grease 9. The Obama resignation Speech 10. Casablanca 11. Jurassic Park 12. Shrek 13. Pirates of the Caribbean 14. Titanic 15. Raiders of the Lost Ark 16. Home Alone 17. Mrs. Doubtfire
Now, isn't that something? ------------------------- |
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11/02/2013 07:21 PM
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What's an axiom and why is it relevant to an application of this proof to real life? I choose to believe in god; that works for me. Your choice may vary. ------------------------- A gentle answer turns away wrath, but a harsh word stirs up anger. |
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11/03/2013 12:05 PM
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Science can prove God, but fails at proving man induced climate change. Got it. They didn't prove that....that's your problem. You buy into too much bull ca-ca! Fppl! ------------------------- The REAL truth is....both of the forum idiots are OWNED. -BOTH of them have no clue who their owner is. -They are both card carrying narcissists. ^These are PROVED facts. |
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11/03/2013 12:14 PM
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Finding and understanding the creator of all is easier than climate science?
------------------------- I was right. |
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11/03/2013 01:16 PM
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Finding and understanding the creator of all is easier than climate science? Obviously! He wasn't hiding. He's also real. ------------------------- The REAL truth is....both of the forum idiots are OWNED. -BOTH of them have no clue who their owner is. -They are both card carrying narcissists. ^These are PROVED facts. |
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11/04/2013 03:51 AM
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God exists through faith.
Proof denies Faith. Therefore, there is no God because FK killed him. Moron. ------------------------- “It is the heart of US policy to use fascism to preserve capitalism while claiming to be saving democracy from communism “ - Michael Parenti |
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11/04/2013 06:24 PM
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God exists through faith. Nope....your assumption is crap! "First, God is - by definition - that for which no greater can be achieved. Second, while God exists merely in the understanding of this concept, we could conceive of him as greater if he existed in reality; therefore, he must exist." ------------------------- The REAL truth is....both of the forum idiots are OWNED. -BOTH of them have no clue who their owner is. -They are both card carrying narcissists. ^These are PROVED facts. |
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12/10/2017 12:04 PM
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Edited: 12/11/2017 at 06:30 AM by HAPDigital |
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12/10/2017 04:59 PM
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Edited: 12/11/2017 at 06:30 AM by HAPDigital |
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12/11/2017 06:30 AM
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For every thread there are 1000 more posts just as hateful. Remove the stain.
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12/11/2017 06:31 AM
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Idiot!
------------------------- The REAL truth is....both of the forum idiots are OWNED. -BOTH of them have no clue who their owner is. -They are both card carrying narcissists. ^These are PROVED facts. |
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12/11/2017 06:59 AM
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She does exist
but FK's perception of her is invented in his own image. A trainwreck of anger fear and hate. He's entitled to it, but it's a nasty feedback cycle. ------------------------- "The truth is incontrovertible. malice may attack it, ignorance may deride it, but in the end, there it is." -Sir Winston Churchill |
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12/12/2017 06:55 PM
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12/12/2017 07:33 PM
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She does exist but FK's perception of her is invented in his own image. A trainwreck of anger fear and hate. He's entitled to it, but it's a nasty feedback cycle. The mark of the stain! Said the pathological lying POS democrap commie! ------------------------- The REAL truth is....both of the forum idiots are OWNED. -BOTH of them have no clue who their owner is. -They are both card carrying narcissists. ^These are PROVED facts. |
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12/12/2017 07:35 PM
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FK<----------run over by the short bus
------------------------- I was right. |
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12/12/2017 08:05 PM
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FK<----------run over by the short bus Look...it's the other POS pathological lying prog democrap commie! ------------------------- The REAL truth is....both of the forum idiots are OWNED. -BOTH of them have no clue who their owner is. -They are both card carrying narcissists. ^These are PROVED facts. |
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