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Topic Title: Oh Goodness. Climate scientists come clean. Topic Summary: Created On: 06/20/2017 12:28 PM |
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- tpapablo | - 06/20/2017 12:28 PM |
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- scombrid | - 06/21/2017 01:59 AM |
- stokedpanda | - 06/21/2017 05:13 AM |
- tom | - 06/21/2017 05:31 AM |
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- johnnyboy | - 06/20/2017 06:05 PM |
- scombrid | - 06/21/2017 02:34 AM |
- tpapablo | - 06/21/2017 07:01 AM |
- scombrid | - 06/21/2017 07:15 AM |
- SuperTeeBird | - 06/21/2017 07:29 AM |
- tpapablo | - 06/21/2017 07:29 AM |
- scombrid | - 06/21/2017 08:50 AM |
- tom | - 06/21/2017 10:45 AM |
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06/20/2017 06:05 PM
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You are like the guys a century and a half ago that would have killed every whale to extinction just keep the lamps burning.
------------------------- "One of the reasons why propaganda tries to get you to hate government is because it's the one existing institution in which people can participate to some extent and constrain tyrannical unaccountable power." Noam Chomsky. |
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06/21/2017 02:34 AM
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Or that in the 1980s and 1990s opposed any and all regulations on sulfur and cfcs. They crow about cost but the only cost that they care about it is cost to the polluter. They don't care at all about the cost dumped on the commons. They discount that cost to the point of pretending that it doesn't exist. People that claim to believe in freedom shouldn't think it right for industry in Ohio to be able to dump its pollution in New England. But their they have been for decades opposing pretty much every regulation on the grounds of cost to the polluter. ------------------------- ... |
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06/21/2017 07:01 AM
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Or that in the 1980s and 1990s opposed any and all regulations on sulfur and cfcs.
They crow about cost but the only cost that they care about it is cost to the polluter. They don't care at all about the cost dumped on the commons. They discount that cost to the point of pretending that it doesn't exist.
People that claim to believe in freedom shouldn't think it right for industry in Ohio to be able to dump its pollution in New England. But their they have been for decades opposing pretty much every regulation on the grounds of cost to the polluter.
That's not what we are saying at all. Think we are all in agreement that things were out of control by the 60's and that something needed to be done. It was, after all, Nixon who created the EPA. But there comes a point where you are no longer achieving anything of value. As far as global warming, we do not know enough about it yet. It is, therefore, foolish to spend trillions on something that we may or may not be causing and may or may not be able to stop and may not want to stop. Keep in mind that we have been warming for a long time now. Given the cycles we've seen in the past, it is getting around that time (in geological times) where we should start cooling again. Global warming will not be catastrophic (and probably would be good in many ways - compare the last ice age to now.). Global cooling would be. Maybe we should be warming the planet while we can. ------------------------- I :heart; Q |
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06/21/2017 07:15 AM
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That's not what we are saying at all. Think we are all in agreement that things were out of control by the 60's and that something needed to be done. You people have fought implentation of just about every regulation since the founding of the EPA. By the 1980s nothing meaningful had yet been done about sulfur, mercury, nitrogen, cfcs... You people fought tooth and nail to block implementation of control programs. The last century doesn't match those cycles.
Depends on how fast people are flooded. Any idea how much it will cost to relocate and mitigate all the vulnerable coastal areas? You say global warming will be good but what about ocean acidification? Benefits to Russia and Canada agriculture at the expense of American agriculture? Where is your cost benefit analysis? ------------------------- ... |
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06/21/2017 07:29 AM
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Disruption of resources invariably brings war and destabilization. |
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06/21/2017 07:29 AM
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It will not be catastrophic at the numbers we are talking about. We have been warming for 18,000 years. We have had massive "flooding" in that time. We are doing better than ever. ------------------------- I :heart; Q |
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06/21/2017 08:50 AM
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We? ------------------------- ... |
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06/21/2017 10:45 AM
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------------------------- add a signature since I'm here in profile anyway |
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