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 06/20/2024 01:48 PM
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 06/20/2024 02:10 PM
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Originally posted by: Sniper
Originally posted by: Bamboo Most of the people in the link Sniper posted were killed when Trump was in office. Some earlier. Didn't see any of the listed victims killed later than 2020. That looks like proof that Trump's policies didn't work and we should be working on a Comprehensive Immigration Reform package....Right? If only something had gone before congress that was bipartisan and would have been signed by the prez until a real CIR package was developed. >sarcaism< We had that but Trump wanted immigration as a campaign issue and told his minions to vote against it after many said they would vote for it because it is good. How many people did that whim kill? [IMG][/IMG]
Show me any data that Biden's DOJ has released about crime being committed by illegals. You won't find any. There is this report that was released in 2021 but only reported data up to 2018. This report shows that 64% of federal arrests in 2018 involved people who were not citizens, even though non-citizens only made up 7% of the overall population. I guess you are going to say that things have just improved that much under Biden's "leadership". LMFAO Sure. If only some bumbling idiot hadn't dismantled the highest functioning border our country has seen in half a century, that said bumbling idiot inherited from Trump, on his first day in office via executive order, by getting rid of the Stay-in-Mexico policy. >zero sarcaism< Most states don't record this type of information, or if they do they don't publish it, but Texas does.
Federal. Immigration is a federal issue. Hence the federal arrests. You are using statistics to lie by misrepresenting and conflating. All illegals have committed a federal crime. They are still less likely to commit violent crime against citizens than are citizens. They work harder too. Ever watch them pick water melons? Cabbages? Install a roof in mid summer?

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 06/20/2024 04:44 PM
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DeSantis hires illegals to clear lygodium from SFWMD property.

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 06/21/2024 05:41 AM
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Originally posted by: scombrid

DeSantis hires illegals to clear lygodium from SFWMD property.


I have seen the crews firsthand. The chief speaks English, but that's about it.

The problem with simplistic views like those of sniper and the rest of MAGA is their lack of understanding details. First off, the US makes billions from over-the-border commerce; if you close the border, you lose that cash. Second, "illegals" don't just come from the Southern border, million have overstayed their visas. They came in legally and never left. Thirdly, they aren't all brown people... they come from all walks of life and represent every color available.



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Edited: 06/21/2024 at 05:42 AM by Cole
 06/21/2024 05:47 AM
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That was some shitty looking work hacking their way through the most overgrown parts of pool C with machetes and back packs of herbicide. The massively overloaded pontoon boat would drop them off and then drive around the bend and wait for them to emerge from the morass. It looked brutal.

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 06/21/2024 05:49 AM
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Make no mistake. GOP leaders don't want to stop immigrant labor. They just want to keep it underground and cheap and exploitably illegal.

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 06/21/2024 05:56 AM
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Last note. I just spent a week in Mexico. The number of Buckees and Bass Pro Shops hats was interesting. These guys hustle. When things are slow on the island they go north and do construction or work in kitchens . I talked to a mate on the dive boat that had on a Pirates Cove shirt. Rich guys fly him north to crew in billfish tournaments but his home is the island. The shuttle driver from the airport lived in Denver for 10 years but moved back home to take care of his aging parents. Many of the locals we talked to work part of the year in the US. Sniper wants us to think that stopping that flow of labor by locking down the border will keep European mobsters out.

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 06/21/2024 06:11 AM
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I've seen this before, where they cite arrests for the "crime" of immigration to say immigrants commit crime at higher rates.

When violent crime rates are analyzed, immigrants, legal and illegal are convicted at lower rates than US citizens.
http://www.cato.org/blog/illeg...ht-illegal-immigrant#
Cato claims to be libertarian think tank.
 06/21/2024 06:15 AM
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Sniper, Biden worked with Republicans to get border legislation and Trump had it killed.

Shouldn't you be mad at Trump?

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 06/21/2024 06:32 AM
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Wiki

Research in the United States tends to suggest that immigration either has no impact on the crime rate or even that immigrants are less prone to crime.[1][2][3] A meta-analysis of 51 studies from 1994 - 2014 on the relationship between immigration and crime in the United States found that, overall, the immigration-crime association is negative, but the relationship is very weak and there is significant variation in findings across studies.[4] This is in line with a 2009 review of high-quality studies conducted in the United States that also found a negative relationship.[5]


The first source cited [1]:

Effects of Immigrant Legalization on Crime: The 1986 Immigration Reform and Control Act
Stanford Law and Economics Olin Working Paper No. 412
46 Pages
Posted: 4 May 2011
Last revised: 1 Aug 2014
Scott R. Baker
Northwestern University, Kellogg School of Management, Department of Finance; National Bureau of Economic Research (NBER)

Date Written: July 28, 2014

Abstract
I examine the effects that the 1986 Immigration Reform and Control Act (IRCA), which legalized almost 3 million immigrants, had on crime in the United States. I exploit the IRCA's quasi-random timing as well as geographic variation in the intensity of treatment to isolate causal impacts. I find decreases in crime of 2%-6%, primarily due to decline in property crimes, equivalent to 80,000-240,000 fewer violent and property crimes committed each year due to legalization. I calibrate a labor market model of crime, finding that much of the drop in crime can be explained by greater labor market opportunities among applicants.

Keywords: Immigration, Crime, Policy, Amnesty, Legalization, Legal Status


Here's the 2nd:

Americans have long believed that immigrants are more likely than natives to commit crimes and that rising immigration leads to rising crime (Kubrin, 2014; Gallagher, 2014; Martinez and Lee, 2000). This belief is remarkably resilient to the contrary evidence that immigrants are in fact much less likely than natives to commit crimes. These contemporary beliefs have strong historical roots. Common stereotypes of immigrants in the late 19th and early 20th centuries were that immigrants were much more likely to be criminals than the native-born.
The criminal stereotype applied to a number of different ethnic groups. The term "paddy wagon," slang for a police van to transport prisoners, began as an ethnic slur against the "criminal" Irish in the mid-19th century.
National Academies of Sciences, Engineering, and Medicine. 2015. The Integration of Immigrants into American Society. Washington, DC: The National Academies Press. http://doi.org/10.17226/21746.

http://nap.nationalacademies.o...d/21746/chapter/9#326



 06/21/2024 06:51 AM
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Bamboo

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3rd, don't steal the Magagaggers boogie man.
This narrative is one of many that keeps them in fear, and keeps their low informed followers voting for them.

I bet most think that just being in this country without documentation is a crime, it isn't.

Also, federal immigration crimes are under the immigration courts which are under the DHS and are civil courts, not criminal courts.


Our immigration laws are a mess and really need to be cleaned up and unified with Comprehensive Immigration Reform...but as mentioned before, the GOP does not want that as it would take away fun talking points for them, and cheap labor for the businesses.

Even GW Bush realized the immigration system was messed up and tried to push a CIR package but his own party, the GOP, shot him down and would not support mainly because of the two reasons already mentioned.
Sad.
https://georgewbush-whitehouse...tives/immigration.html



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Edited: 06/21/2024 at 07:23 AM by Bamboo
 06/21/2024 10:10 AM
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I flipped through OAN, Newsmax, and Fox last night.
All three hyper focused on the border "crisis."
If there's any crisis in this country it's disinformation and corruption.
 06/21/2024 01:02 PM
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Originally posted by: 3rdworldlover I flipped through OAN, Newsmax, and Fox last night. All three hyper focused on the border "crisis." If there's any crisis in this country it's disinformation and corruption.
Russian collusion, Hunter's laptop being a Russian plant, covid vaccine prevents the contraction of the disease, masks and 6' distancing work, the border is secure, Dementia Joe is sharp as a tack? Those sorts of things?

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 06/22/2024 05:50 AM
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Originally posted by: 3rdworldlover

I've seen this before, where they cite arrests for the "crime" of immigration to say immigrants commit crime at higher rates.



When violent crime rates are analyzed, immigrants, legal and illegal are convicted at lower rates than US citizens.

http://www.cato.org/blog/illeg...egal-immigrant#

Cato claims to be libertarian think tank.


You can't say that because YOU DON'T KNOW WHO IS HERE. Look, I've said here multiple times that we need a way for the people to work here via work visas but we can't have people just walking in and out of our country. We can't have young girls having to pay with their bodies to get here. Try committing a violent crime here and trying to immigrate to ANY country around the world and let me know how that works out for you. You won't get in. Why? Because those countries aren't complete fucking idiots. You guys are advocating for taking the front doors off your own houses and hoping for the best. You can see with your own eyes that ISIS terrorists are coming across the border and you are so ideologically captured that you are good with it. You can see that we have violent criminals entering the country doing harm to our citizens but as long as they aren't in your family, fuck'em.

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 06/22/2024 06:22 AM
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Has Fox really made you this terrified?

Most people never see an undocumented person and yet they are terrified of them. I find that odd. As for me, I see them all the time and they are working for some of the largest agribusinesses in the state. Perhaps that is a place to start if you want to remove them. It will have consequences monetarily, but if they can't work, they won't come.

This is a solid red state and they are doing nothing to halt the flow, if they were, they would ban them from employment. Biden worked with Republicans to get a border bill passed, it was shelved by Republicans at Trump's behest.

Why are you yelling at Democrats?



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Edited: 06/22/2024 at 06:34 AM by Cole
 06/22/2024 06:53 AM
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If only GW Bush's Comprehensive Immigration Reform proposal wasn't shot down by the GOP special interests...

It addressed documenting the undocumented.

i.e.
Comprehensive Immigration Reform Must Account For The Millions Of Immigrants Already In The Country Illegally. Illegal immigration causes serious problems, putting pressure on public schools and hospitals and straining State and local budgets. People who have worked hard, supported their families, avoided crime, led responsible lives, and become a part of American life should be called in out of the shadows and under the rule of American law.

If the GOP resurrected GW's proposal, and kept that damn Nazi Stephen Miller from shitting his racist proposals into it, that could be a winning strategy for the GOP...except for the superpac and corporate donors....they would have a hard time with it.

BTW, I went to a west coast school and there were a bunch of undocumented Canadians going there. Because they had no trouble blending in with wonder bread Americans they never got questioned or hassled about their status.


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 06/22/2024 02:50 PM
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^But their annoying politeness and sense of fair play almost always gives them away, eh? .

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 06/22/2024 03:23 PM
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Yeah, they were a trip and they were very polite and had a strong sense of right and wrong.
Eh, and hoser were their favorite words.
Very good snow skiiers, serious engineering students, and yet they could party hard.
The girl Canadians could drink most others, including Aussies, under the table.

Fun times and happy I had the chance to get to know them. After college they went back up to BC, I know one was (maybe still is??) an engineer for the lift systems at a ski resort in BC.

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 06/22/2024 04:32 PM
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Our country is filled with soft, privileged, entitled dipshits who have had things too good for too long. You lack the intellect to see danger at your doorstep and the empathy to see it outside the four walls of your own house. They say that evil tends to push where there is mush. You boys are as doughy as it gets. In the next 6 months, we will see if the rest of the country is as soft as you are.

Again, do you think every country around the world is just mean for not allowing people with violent criminal backgrounds from entering their country? Or do you think that we are just fucking idiots? Those ISIS fighters that were arrested here last week weren't here to pick watermelons.

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Edited: 06/22/2024 at 04:59 PM by Sniper
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Big talk from a guy who will kneel down and hand his country over to a king.

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Edited: 06/22/2024 at 05:22 PM by fishkller
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