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Topic Title: The Toxic Treason Of Junk Science, Conspiracy Theory, And Political Ideology
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 12/05/2022 05:03 PM
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WG

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"Politically-driven vaccine resistance renders persuasion efforts all but futile in that segment of the population. A different, but still potent, obstacle is posed when trying to persuade those susceptible to conspiracy theories. What happens when the two tactics are deliberately and calculatedly used in tandem - facilitated by junk science? Might perpetuating this kind of compound disinformation count as treason if done by a public servant?"


"This is "the first time that we've seen a state government weaponize bad science to spread anti-vaccine disinformation as official policy."

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 12/05/2022 05:09 PM
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Rhonda Santis is playing to the base.
That works in Florida, but when Rhonda goes nationwide for a prez run it may be a different story.



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 12/05/2022 05:27 PM
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Things seem to be a bit 'different' - esp when you have to play to a national audience many of who def do not buy into the 'usual'...

But hey, what do I know .. run rhonda if he makes sweet music to your ears... or maybe qrump... doesn't everyone like cracker music?

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 12/05/2022 05:34 PM
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This will all play out the same way it did in another thread with Opie. The tactic is to equate any vaccine with a government directive that eroded your personal freedom. No one wants less freedom so getting behind the knee jerk reaction to ferret out the false equivalence of vaccinations with freedom trespassers then gets lost in the noise along with frequency and primacy. I do not share your optimism for a national audience being above this. I hope they are but I suspect they are not. Desantis will tone it down for the masses but he isn't going to go centrist. He's going for trumpism without trump. Small minded populism for bumper sticker followers.

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 12/05/2022 07:11 PM
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Rhonda doesn't have the trump celebrity and crowd skills. But of course the Dems could run some shit head and help him win.



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 12/06/2022 04:37 AM
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Rhonda's methods are great if you want to live in a high death rate state.

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 12/06/2022 06:26 AM
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For sure. Get your boosters, progs, lest you catch covid, kill your grandparents, and die. Horrible, horrible fate. Look at me as an example of what not to do. In an affront to science (i.e., Fauci), I rejected the vaccine. Look at me now. I am dead and my grandparents are dead. Don't let this happen to you. You cannot get too many boosters.

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 12/06/2022 07:00 AM
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During Covid the American people were lied to over and over and over again. Medicine was exposed for being politicized. People were lied to about 14 days to stop the spread, they were lied to about masks, they were lied to about the efficacy of the "vaccines", and they were lied to about the majority of them being at risk in the first place.

Unfortunately, this has resulted in A LOT of people losing trust in our public health institutions. People who never thought twice about vaccinations are now much more skeptical. This will cause a ripple effect with negative consequences that we will probably see for decades to come. When most people realize they have been lied to, they don't just go right back to trusting the same people who just lied to them. This is going to take a lot of time and some introspection among the people at the top of our public health institutions to change it. I'm pretty sure that the time will pass. I have my doubts on whether those at the top of our public health institutions will make the changes required to regain the confidence of the American people.

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 12/06/2022 07:28 AM
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Awe you poor babies were "lied to". Whah.

If you would have done the right thing and locked down for 14 days, it could have been stopped. I mean seriously, you guys were militantly non-compliant from the start, which allowed Covid to spread mostly unchecked, then you come cry about how you were "lied to".

As for those who eschew vaccinations, do so at your own risk. I don't care how many of you we have to bury. I reject the notion that "those at the top of our public health institutions" have an obligation to "regain the confidence" of the conspiracy theorists. Public Health is there for everyone's benefit, and in the words of Barbara Billingsley in the movie "Airplane" - "Chump don't want no help, chump don't get no help. Shit."

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 12/06/2022 07:51 AM
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But these skeptics who were lied to knew where to find the truth! Trump, who lied about getting the vaccine and lied about how sick he was from the virus.

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 12/06/2022 08:29 AM
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Originally posted by: Sniper During Covid the American people were lied to over and over and over again. Medicine was exposed for being politicized. People were lied to about 14 days to stop the spread, they were lied to about masks, they were lied to about the efficacy of the "vaccines", and they were lied to about the majority of them being at risk in the first place. Unfortunately, this has resulted in A LOT of people losing trust in our public health institutions. People who never thought twice about vaccinations are now much more skeptical. This will cause a ripple effect with negative consequences that we will probably see for decades to come. When most people realize they have been lied to, they don't just go right back to trusting the same people who just lied to them. This is going to take a lot of time and some introspection among the people at the top of our public health institutions to change it. I'm pretty sure that the time will pass. I have my doubts on whether those at the top of our public health institutions will make the changes required to regain the confidence of the American people.
Because Joe Mercola and the rest of the alternative health industry are so honest and have such a high health success rate.

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 12/06/2022 08:31 AM
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Originally posted by: RustyTruck

Awe you poor babies were "lied to". Whah.

If you would have done the right thing and locked down for 14 days, it could have been stopped. I mean seriously, you guys were militantly non-compliant from the start, which allowed Covid to spread mostly unchecked, then you come cry about how you were "lied to".


First of all, you don't know shit about what I did, or did not do, in the early days of Covid. Even most of the people who were "compliant" lol managed to do so by paying people poorer than themselves to be non-compliant and purchase their groceries for them. At this point we are pretty sure that Covid had been making the rounds since November or December of 2019, so 14 days to stop the spread was never going to work in the first place.

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 12/06/2022 08:39 AM
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If you would have done the right thing and locked down for 14 days, it could have been stopped. I mean seriously, you guys were militantly non-compliant from the start, which allowed Covid to spread mostly unchecked, then you come cry about how you were "lied to".
You are the one crying or at least should be. YOu, after all fell for the lies. We came out just fine, having avoided flushing two years of our live down the toilet. We also avoided milling around in useless masks like dumb sheep. We were complaining about the stupidity of lockdowns. And, we were proven right and you were proven wrong. Severe lockdowns did not work in China, Australia or New Zealand. Know who came out best among developed countries? Sweden.

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 12/06/2022 09:10 AM
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Originally posted by: tpapablo

If you would have done the right thing and locked down for 14 days, it could have been stopped. I mean seriously, you guys were militantly non-compliant from the start, which allowed Covid to spread mostly unchecked, then you come cry about how you were "lied to".


You are the one crying or at least should be. YOu, after all fell for the lies. We came out just fine, having avoided flushing two years of our live down the toilet. We also avoided milling around in useless masks like dumb sheep. We were complaining about the stupidity of lockdowns. And, we were proven right and you were proven wrong. Severe lockdowns did not work in China, Australia or New Zealand. Know who came out best among developed countries? Sweden.


We listened to the truth, took appropriate precautions, and we're all still here. I got vaccinated, and boosted, and never had Covid.

Yet here you guys are still crying about the gummit taking action in the face of a pandemic. Oz and NZ did far, far better than the USA because they're not a load of deluded nuts like the American right wing. Ya'll are the biggest bunch of crybaby snowflakes in history. And if you don't want flu shots, or routine vaccinations for your kids or grandkids, that's fine my me. May the odds be ever in your favor, suckers.



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 12/06/2022 09:18 AM
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Originally posted by: Cole Rhonda's methods are great if you want to live in a high death rate state.
where else ya gonna go, coal
 12/06/2022 09:46 AM
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What?
Just deflection?
Nobody's even trying to defend the actions of the SG nor the Gov. that appointed him?


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 12/06/2022 10:27 AM
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Originally posted by: RustyTruck
Originally posted by: tpapablo
If you would have done the right thing and locked down for 14 days, it could have been stopped. I mean seriously, you guys were militantly non-compliant from the start, which allowed Covid to spread mostly unchecked, then you come cry about how you were "lied to".
You are the one crying or at least should be. YOu, after all fell for the lies. We came out just fine, having avoided flushing two years of our live down the toilet. We also avoided milling around in useless masks like dumb sheep. We were complaining about the stupidity of lockdowns. And, we were proven right and you were proven wrong. Severe lockdowns did not work in China, Australia or New Zealand. Know who came out best among developed countries? Sweden.
We listened to the truth, took appropriate precautions, and we're all still here. I got vaccinated, and boosted, and never had Covid. Yet here you guys are still crying about the gummit taking action in the face of a pandemic. Oz and NZ did far, far better than the USA because they're not a load of deluded nuts like the American right wing. Ya'll are the biggest bunch of crybaby snowflakes in history. And if you don't want flu shots, or routine vaccinations for your kids or grandkids, that's fine my me. May the odds be ever in your favor, suckers.
Ah, so you still don't realize that you were lied to? Well ....

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 12/07/2022 04:11 AM
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We were given advice, and as it turns out, the advice was good. How is that a lie?

The death rate within the unvaxxed group is much higher. That is a peer reviewed proven point.

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 12/07/2022 04:13 AM
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Originally posted by: Cole

We were given advice, and as it turns out, the advice was good.


No in fact it wasn't.

Liar!

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 12/07/2022 04:16 AM
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Cole

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Can see you gary lee, you stupid, useless twat.

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!

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