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Created On: 01/19/2022 08:09 AM
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 01/19/2022 08:09 AM
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RustyTruck

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What the F is up with it?

Are we seriously just learning that it's going to mess up aircraft systems?

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 01/19/2022 08:19 AM
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RiddleMe

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FK must be conflicted and torn.

5G will fry your brain and let the gubmint' control you. It might cause flight cancellations. Less flights = less "chemtrails" to get him.

He is popping Xanax like pez

 01/19/2022 08:31 AM
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CurtisEflush

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It's been known for a while, but I think it's been a game of chicken between the FCC and the FAA.

FAA is obviously loved and lobbied heavily by the airline industry.

FCC is obviously loved and lobbied heavily by the telecom industry.

Spectrum auctions are an ongoing gorge-fest for the telecom companies. The FCC regulates those, and they get a lot more attention (from government, press, and industry) than obscure needs of aircraft equipment manufacturers, especially under Trump's FCC.

Bottom line is that aircraft equipment like a radar altimeter (the affected instrument) is considered the highest level of safety criticality, and it takes years to make and certify any changes before they're allowed to fly.

The 5G cell equipment has been in the planning phase for years, but the frequencies they're using (the ones that overlap with radar altimeter) have just been enabled. They can be turned on and off by software, but since the telecom companies paid big $$$ for those frequencies, they want to use every last drop of it.

In short, the airlines have been using those frequencies for decades, and it's a monumental task to upgrade and certify the altimeters to accommodate the 5G intrusion.

Rusty's gonna strut like a big rooster here, but capitalism won the battle here and failed the consumer.
 01/19/2022 10:11 AM
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RustyTruck

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"I need to be as candid as I normally am, and say this is one of the most delinquent, utterly irresponsible issue subjects, call it what you like, I've seen in my aviation career because it involves organs of government, manufacturers, science, etc. And you know, the notion that, for instance, the United States government should sell its franchise for all the frequencies for a large amount of money. Somebody should have told them at the time - that the risks and the dangers they placed in certain frequency uses around field, airfields, metropolitan fields that should have been done at the time."

What a cluster fuck.

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 01/19/2022 10:45 AM
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Bamboo

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Indeed, it has been a cluster fk.
5g operates in the C Band range and will potentially affect more than just radar altimeters....as if that wasn't concern enough.

>>face palm emoji here <<

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 01/19/2022 11:28 AM
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nukeh2o

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On a good note, if you've been vaxxed you don't need a phone to receive incoming antifa directives.
Poor magats had to resort to decoder rings and foil hats.

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 01/19/2022 02:41 PM
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Cole

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Facebook did it. Or is it Google?

Fauchi?

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 01/19/2022 05:41 PM
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scombrid

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This is why we need the anarchocapitalist paradise of the libertarians. If you want to fly safe then you can pay the telecoms a ransom to get the bandwidth.

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 01/19/2022 05:47 PM
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scombrid

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After they've successfully used OANN to make sure Agit Pie ran the FCC during the decision period.

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 01/19/2022 07:21 PM
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3rdworldlover

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I read it will interfere with weather satellites, don't recall which data, maybe the quickscatt/wind
 01/19/2022 10:09 PM
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CurtisEflush

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In fairness to the telecom guys, I've read some more articles today describing how much time the FCC gave for public comment; the FAA and airline industry were very slow to respond. The FAA and commercial avionics industry move much slower, in part because of the onerous safety regulations. The average aircraft is built for a 30+ year lifespan, and its final certification package is based on a fixed package of electronics, which are generally expected to last the lifetime of the plane. So there's a ton of REALLY OLD equipment in planes still flying; you can't just push a new software build and upgrade the entire fleet with better filters. It's basically a re-cert for huge pieces of the whole avionics system working together. In contrast, Telecom expects you to buy a new cell phone every 2-3 years and be happy if something gets 10 years' compatibility on their network.

With that said, other countries have been flying with 5G near airports for a while, and with less frequency separation (guard band) than they're using here, and have not observed/reported problems. One difference is that the equipment makers and airlines get all worked up for the US market, and do a serious worst-case analysis. While that raises alarms, the probability of encountering a worst-case scenario that would alter altimeter data appears to be pretty low.

Given that half the 5G bandwidth will probably be used to stream p0rn, cat pictures, stupid selfies, Tik Toks and Twitter from the Shitter, I'm not very sympathetic to commercial telecom grabbing up all the spectrum. We should be reserving a lot more for legitimate scientific and public use. It hertz to see this.
 01/20/2022 03:14 AM
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StirfryMcflurry

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correct. d'inkpatch is gonna have to vaccinate his new flip phone. we talked about THIS one over in NPNR. can you hear me now?
 01/20/2022 11:02 AM
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dingpatch

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The "reports" are that the 5G signals in the US are generally twice as strong than Europe. I do have to say that 5G is really FAST

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