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Topic Title: Why do we subsidize rich socialist nations?
Topic Summary: Let’s throw Israel a billion.
Created On: 09/23/2021 06:02 AM
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 09/23/2021 06:02 AM
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johnnyboy

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http://www.politico.com/news/2...rael-iron-dome-513648

>>"The United States' commitment to the security of our friend and ally Israel is ironclad. Replenishing interceptors used to protect Israel from attacks is our legal and moral responsibility," DeLauro (D-Conn.) said in a statement Wednesday. "While this funding would ordinarily be included in a year-end spending package, we are advancing this legislation now to demonstrate Congress' bipartisan commitment to Israel's security as part of a Middle East with lasting peace."

Iron Dome, which is built by a joint venture of U.S. defense contractor Raytheon Technologies and Israeli firm Rafael Advanced Defense Systems, enjoys wide support on Capitol Hill. The U.S. has consistently funded the missile defense system on a bipartisan basis to help Israel defend itself against rocket attacks from terrorist groups in Gaza, including Hamas.<<

It's both the Democrats and Republicans. This is the kind of money that could really help our poorest. Maybe even replicate the Israeli health care paradigm.


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 09/23/2021 06:06 AM
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Cole

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I'm guessing it's for soft power. Our troops can have a base of operation thousands of miles from the homeland.

That begs the question, do we really need to be the police of the world?

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 09/23/2021 06:20 AM
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Because it is the smart thing to do? I realize that this rationale will be over the heads of most progs.

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 09/23/2021 06:27 AM
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RustyTruck

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Careful JB, I think it's illegal in Florida to criticize Israel.

You're liable to be labelled an anti-Semite.

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Edited: 09/23/2021 at 06:28 AM by RustyTruck
 09/23/2021 06:34 AM
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Bamboo

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Meh...we don't need that $10.5 Million we give them every day.

They are our largest foreign aid recipient.

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 09/23/2021 08:55 AM
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I sure the Israelis here in Florida appreciate Israel's human rights record, geneva conventions violations and overkill responses as mere survival. I am not sure how we arm Saudi Arabia and other Arab countries while giving our best hardware to Israel. But that's selling them military stuff and getting money back. This is a giveaway. Its a lot of money. If we are looking to find places to save money after spending too much money in afghanistan and needing to increase the debt ceiling, this seems like a logical place to take a hard look.

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 09/23/2021 08:59 AM
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I saw something about a stand alone vote for the $1 billion for Iron Dome. Watch the backlash against anyone who dares question it.

Talk about cancel culture.

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 09/23/2021 10:19 AM
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So we give them enough money that they can provide free healthcare for people? Rationed according to religion?

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 09/23/2021 10:53 AM
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johnnyboy

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God hates Palestinians. Just ask Bibi.

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 09/23/2021 11:46 AM
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Probably money well spent, whether in the form of loans, forgiven loans, or grants, given that Israel is the only reliably functioning democracy in that region, not to mention their highly sophisticated public and private sectors. Without Israel, the price tag for monitoring and dealing with countries in the Mid East, controlled by religious fanatics openly calling for the extermination of Jews and Americans, and anyone else that doesn't prescribe to their beliefs, would far exceed what we've given to Israel. They do more dirty work dealing with terrorism, and benefitting the sustenance of democracy than they're given credit for. As for their record of alleged human rights violations, lets consider the prospect of Cuba allowing persons to launch missiles towards Florida from locations filled with civilians using them as shields, then crying foul when the US targets the sources of the attacks, resulting in dead babies. I don't think any Florida residents or Americans would see a problem. Israel faces that scenario on a regular basis.
 09/23/2021 12:32 PM
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Modern Israel is an apartheid state running the largest open air prison in the world. The US protects them from any international accountability and funds their war against civilians held under occupation.

I love the Jewish people and for the love of a woman I nearly converted, but I hate what the Israeli state has become. And we pick up the tab.

Maybe Americans should stop and think once in awhile why we are so despised in many parts of the world. I'll give you a hint, it has nothing to do with "freedom" or the "American way of life".

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Edited: 09/23/2021 at 01:18 PM by RustyTruck
 09/23/2021 01:14 PM
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Cutting off the water, depriving the people of the wrong religion their vaccines and containing their movements is not benefitting or sustaining democracy. I appreciate that they are our ally but that does not give them a free pass. The question was why do we American Taxpayers paying for their country and if we stopped giving them Billions, would they behave more like a democracy for all of the people within their borders?

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 09/23/2021 01:28 PM
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How many times have we caught them spying on the USA?

It's time to cut off the welfare and let Israel pull itself up by it's bootstraps.



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 09/23/2021 01:31 PM
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Originally posted by: 426Blue Probably money well spent, .
yer on another fukkin planet lol
 09/23/2021 03:14 PM
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Bamboo

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Originally posted by: RustyTruck
How many times have we caught them spying on the USA?
It's time to cut off the welfare and let Israel pull itself up by it's bootstraps.


I don't have anything against Israel, but have never understood why they are deserving of so much of our aid money. They are prosperous and can fund their own countries expenses without our help.

They are not our greatest ally, in fact far from it.
They have spied on us and stole both secrets and materials to further their nuclear programs.
They stole intelligence which harmed USA's interests.
They did not help in either Afghanistan, or Iraq.
They are not members of the Nuclear Non Proliferation Treaty.
They practice the Begin Doctrine to prevent others from obtaining nuclear status.
The USS Liberty.
etc.
etc.
etc.


I'd rather give the money to the Canadians....or the Mexicans so they can pay for that wall we built.





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Edited: 09/23/2021 at 07:00 PM by Bamboo
 09/23/2021 04:11 PM
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WG

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Israel is not reliably functioning democracy.
Too many of the people living there are not free



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 09/23/2021 05:13 PM
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nukeh2o

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Does the name pollard ring a bell with anyone?
Israel is neither our ally nor our friend folks.
Period.

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 09/23/2021 05:32 PM
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follydude

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I love how the Conservitards are "all aboard" with Israel - especially the fake christian evangelos - and use your unwavering support for Israel as a litmus test.

Especially considering the country subsidies abortions thru its state run hospital system.



 09/23/2021 08:13 PM
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johnnyboy

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Israelis are a pretty diverse group despite what the Leikud party would have you believe. Their divisions within their country are similar to ours. They too have a lot of powerful factions within Judaism that are very active politically and must be appeased.

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 09/24/2021 07:09 AM
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RustyTruck

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If any other country that wasn't of military strategic and/or religious significance, the US would have sanctions in place against them.

I have many Jewish comrades, but the government of Israel is carrying out a genocide against Palestinian civilians. The bulldoze people's homes to make room for Israeli settlers. Textbook ethnic cleansing.

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